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Interesting article on the cesspool that it has become...
https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...ree-agency
Cesspool is quite the appropriate term. It seems the big boys that have begun using the lesser schools as their farm system now only care to gripe now that they’re losing talent to somebody higher up the pyramid. It’s funny that years ago schools used to back off when a kid committed, and/or didn’t negatively recruit; now that only drives them to do it that much more. All it took was for some scumbags to keep on doing it and then the rest of them gave up being honorable. What we have now is utterly ridiculous.
(05-24-2021 08:56 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote: [ -> ]Cesspool is quite the appropriate term. It seems the big boys that have begun using the lesser schools as their farm system now only care to gripe now that they’re losing talent to somebody higher up the pyramid. It’s funny that years ago schools used to back off when a kid committed, and/or didn’t negatively recruit; now that only drives them to do it that much more. All it took was for some scumbags to keep on doing it and then the rest of them gave up being honorable. What we have now is utterly ridiculous.

wonder how we got the VMI CB?
JMU player friend from HS, I assume. And I doubt kids who transfer out of VMI are doing so reluctantly. That’s a place where you’re either all-in, or wishing you had a different opportunity elsewhere. The military school life ain’t for everybody.
The biggest point of all of this change is that the FBS spillover down to FCS programs is fast coming to an end. FCS schools that have exploited the old system are going to find it much more difficult moving forward to not only attract talent but are much more likely to lose their top tier players.

We have entered an entirely new world that will take some time for all of us to calibrate.
(05-25-2021 05:01 PM)SlyFox Wrote: [ -> ]The biggest point of all of this change is that the FBS spillover down to FCS programs is fast coming to an end. FCS schools that have exploited the old system are going to find it much more difficult moving forward to not only attract talent but are much more likely to lose their top tier players.

We have entered an entirely new world that will take some time for all of us to calibrate.

Maybe, but JMU is already finding our spot where proven top players from lower tier schools (e.g. Towson, VMI) are coming here, and players from FBS teams who want more playing time are still coming here as the 'not so big drop off in quality' plus they can play for a Natty. It will be interesting to see if those ACC/G5 level guys start going to schools like ODU and Liberty instead, but I think the allure of playing for a Natty will still have some draw with kids who want to be on a winner.
(05-25-2021 11:06 PM)JMaddy Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-25-2021 05:01 PM)SlyFox Wrote: [ -> ]The biggest point of all of this change is that the FBS spillover down to FCS programs is fast coming to an end. FCS schools that have exploited the old system are going to find it much more difficult moving forward to not only attract talent but are much more likely to lose their top tier players.

We have entered an entirely new world that will take some time for all of us to calibrate.

Maybe, but JMU is already finding our spot where proven top players from lower tier schools (e.g. Towson, VMI) are coming here, and players from FBS teams who want more playing time are still coming here as the 'not so big drop off in quality' plus they can play for a Natty. It will be interesting to see if those ACC/G5 level guys start going to schools like ODU and Liberty instead, but I think the allure of playing for a Natty will still have some draw with kids who want to be on a winner.

Agreed. But you must understand that the facts as you’ve shared them don’t jive with the narrative spun over on the Flames board. That narrative is a distorted idea that JMU only gets its best players from FBS teams, and is fundamental to JMU’s FB success.

Obviously Liam and Percy and Wells were all FBS transfers, right? What!!!? They weren’t??? Well then, how many of JMU’s former players in the NFL are transfers? DiNuci and Carter were, right? And Dylan Stapleton right? (Makes no difference if Staoleton was actually a D2 player, Ha!). How many others? What about those 3 former JMU OL players on last year’s Super Bowl winner? None of those guys were transfers? Hmmm...even this thesis is falling apart.

The truth is the new transfer portal is a wild Wild West scene right now, and it’s as likely to help as much as it hurts top FCS programs. Nobody really knows yet how it will play out. Already prominent P5 coaches are complaining about the portal so I’m sure it will be adjusted as more info and experience with it becomes known, just as I’m sure JMU will continue to recruit the majority of the team’s top players from HS, just as JMU has always done. I’m also sure fans of Liberty who think JMU is populated by heathens will not waiver in their mistaken belief that JMU FB success is entirely built off of FBS transfers.

Heathen’s Greetings to the Flames fans! 03-lmfao
JMU will benefit far greater from the transfer portal than not. We are a championship destination school with great facilities and budget. Players aren't stupid. They want to play, number one and win number 2.
(05-26-2021 10:27 AM)BSKB 24 Wrote: [ -> ]JMU will benefit far greater from the transfer portal than not. We are a championship destination school with great facilities and budget. Players are stupid. They want to play, number one and win number 2.

I think you meant 'aren't stupid'
Net result may be movement in both directions. Roster churn will be higher for many teams. It will be harder for teams to keep talented players at one school for 4+ years.

Players who aren't starters and sitting the bench are more likely to seek playing time elsewhere. Some "stars" will also seek more exposure with another team.

The troubling aspects of this are how quickly it is evolving into organized "scouting" of players at other schools and schools subverting the rules/intent. The more that is ignored, the more common it will be. If you project forward with booster $ coming into the picture to pay for athlete endorsements etc, it erodes the idea of "student athlete" and becomes more like a minor league system.
(05-26-2021 12:05 PM)JMaddy Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-26-2021 10:27 AM)BSKB 24 Wrote: [ -> ]JMU will benefit far greater from the transfer portal than not. We are a championship destination school with great facilities and budget. Players are stupid. They want to play, number one and win number 2.

I think you meant 'aren't stupid'

Indeed, I did. Thanks.
there will be winners and losers in the portal, just as there is in business.

Good places will prosper - they will attract others talent and will retain their own

Mediocre destinations will fail - they will lose their top talent and have trouble attracting A players.


JMU sports will benefit from the portal.
(05-26-2021 04:05 PM)PGJMU2 Wrote: [ -> ]there will be winners and losers in the portal, just as there is in business.

Good places will prosper - they will attract others talent and will retain their own

Mediocre destinations will fail - they will lose their top talent and have trouble attracting A players.


JMU sports will benefit from the portal.
I’ll hold out hope that remains true. Our depth helps us in competition, but at some point rings are nice but a kid gets antsy and wants a bigger role. What we’ve sustained so far really makes JMU special and I believe the culture in the locker room is why we experience far fewer issues than most. The depth we’ve had the past few years at RB without any bellyaching or defections (until Jawon’s recent announcement) is unique. So far the pipeline going out pales in comparison to what’s coming in, but like other things that’s just one bad hire or some rotten apples spoiling the cart from watching the top talent bolting and we’re no longer benefiting. Here’s to hoping that never becomes the case.
(05-26-2021 04:05 PM)PGJMU2 Wrote: [ -> ]there will be winners and losers in the portal, just as there is in business.

Good places will prosper - they will attract others talent and will retain their own

Mediocre destinations will fail - they will lose their top talent and have trouble attracting A players.


JMU sports will benefit from the portal.

I agree. There will be a greater separation between the elite and the mediocre.
(05-26-2021 04:05 PM)PGJMU2 Wrote: [ -> ]there will be winners and losers in the portal, just as there is in business.

Good places will prosper - they will attract others talent and will retain their own

Mediocre destinations will fail - they will lose their top talent and have trouble attracting A players.


JMU sports will benefit from the portal.

The article up top straight away says, an ACC coach, fcs teams will be monitored for poaching.

The best defense against having your best players poached is a weak schedule (win 95 percent) of the time no matter and we have that landscape mapped down to the ground.
So we shouldn't play good teams or we will get poached, and we shouldn't move up because we will get poached or be forced to rely on poaching FCS teams? Sounds like Hazed wants us to continue to play bad teams and FCS for life!
(05-26-2021 10:27 AM)BSKB 24 Wrote: [ -> ]JMU will benefit far greater from the transfer portal than not. We are a championship destination school with great facilities and budget. Players are stupid. They want to play, number one and win number 2.

That's an interesting take. My gut feeling/concern is if we find a diamond in the ruff, we could more easily loss them to the ease of the transfer portal to a power 5 school.

Imagine if the transfer portal had been around under Brady? We could of turned over the entire team. 03-lmfao
(05-27-2021 08:42 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote: [ -> ]So we shouldn't play good teams or we will get poached, and we shouldn't move up because we will get poached or be forced to rely on poaching FCS teams? Sounds like Hazed wants us to continue to play bad teams and FCS for life!

lol I have turned. I want to schedule as weak as possible so we can win every game. I think fcs is too risky for JMU. DII makes more sense. Plus, our players won't get poached and the coaches can engage by teaching a few classes. We can manage DII better for sure.

If you can't beat'em, join'em.
(05-27-2021 05:29 PM)Purplehazed Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-27-2021 08:42 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote: [ -> ]So we shouldn't play good teams or we will get poached, and we shouldn't move up because we will get poached or be forced to rely on poaching FCS teams? Sounds like Hazed wants us to continue to play bad teams and FCS for life!

lol I have turned. I want to schedule as weak as possible so we can win every game. I think fcs is too risky for JMU. DII makes more sense. Plus, our players won't get poached and the coaches can engage by teaching a few classes. We can manage DII better for sure.

If you can't beat'em, join'em.

I believe DII is too risky. DIII is as safe as a warm bed in the middle of winter. I look forward to the awesome games with our bitter rival, the Bridgewater Eagles.

We are going to dominate ODAC!

Let Liberty and ODU enjoy their bowl games and packed stadiums. We will laugh at them because we in DIII have actual playoffs!
I, too, think there will be a bigger separation between P5s and non P5s, but we will probably be ok relative to G5s and probably increase the difference between us and most of the FCS (NDSU notwithstanding, of course). It will be easier for the top of the top to leave (Amos to UVA, etc.), but we have enough NFL pedigree that I don't think solid players will be looking to jump to the ODUs of the world. Most other FCS teams will be looking over their shoulder at any regional G5s and could lose way more than we would.

Basketball is interesting. We may be less likely to keep the Matt Lewises and Ron Currys of the world, again causing an even bigger difference between the blue chip schools and everyone else, but By has a fun style to play, which should make JMU a destination spot for the next level of athletes. This will make relating to your players even more important.
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