(06-01-2021 11:29 AM)mrbig Wrote: [ -> ]I would have been thrilled if Rice had taken a chance on Berkman. Maybe going with a more traditional hire will work out, but it didn't with Bragga (unsuccessful) or Bailiff (ok, but didn't move Rice to a new tier) or Rhoades (left to quickly) or Braun (unsuccessful). It hasn't worked (yet) with Bloomgren ....
They certainly haven't been the Killer B's, have they?
(Not counting Rhoades, of course.)
(06-01-2021 11:29 AM)mrbig Wrote: [ -> ]Regarding Berkman, I think Rice is unique and I think Berkman is unique. So while I generally agree that for the vast majority of D1 schools, hiring a head coach with no previous collegiate or professional head coaching experience would be a bad move, I think the Berkman/Rice dynamic is one of the few exceptions where it could have made sense 3 years ago and would still make sense today.
One of the primary reasons is that it will be exceptionally hard for Rice to "climb the ladder" in any sport if we are just changing coaches every 3-5 years if a current hire is successful. Rice has not shown sustained success in hiring coaches in any major sport. Lacking that ability, Rice is much more likely to find sustained success in a given sport hiring a coach who is both excellent and will stay at Rice, rather than looking to upgrade their job at another school ASAP.
Berkman is one of the few coaching options out there that I can comfortably believe would have stayed at Rice if he was successful. The problem with the "maybe hire Berkman next time around if Berkman is successful at HBU" is that Berkman, if he is successful at HBU, will not have much reason to leave HBU. He doesn't need the money. He likely wants to stay in the Houston area, so moving from HBU to Rice doesn't improve that. And if he builds a successful program at HBU with better facilities and consistent winning ... does he really love Rice so much to leave that and come back to start from scratch? Especially after Rice bypassed him twice? Maybe ... but maybe not.
I'll be happy with Hallmark since he sounds well-regarded by the insiders around here. I don't know anyone else that might be in the running. But everything I heard about Berkman as a player and as a person, both while I was at Rice and since then, leads me to believe that he will be a successful D1 head coach if that is what he wants to do. I can't say that about all the baseball players I knew at Rice, but I will say that about Berkman.
Rice took a chance on Graham when everyone else seemed to think he was too old. I would have been thrilled if Rice had taken a chance on Berkman. Maybe going with a more traditional hire will work out, but it didn't with Bragga (unsuccessful) or Bailiff (ok, but didn't move Rice to a new tier) or Rhoades (left to quickly) or Braun (unsuccessful). It hasn't worked (yet) with Bloomgren and I would say the jury is still out a little on Pera (though I also think Pera is a less traditional hire than the others).
Big, again, Berkman not only had no prior head coaching experience, he had absolutely no college coaching experience at any level. Yes, Lance is a unique case. However, Lance had no prior experience with recruiting, and no experience with the work load and time commitment required of even an assistance coach. It would have been a super high risk move on Rice's part. And, PLEASE, don't compare it with the "risk" Rice took in hiring Wayne Graham, who had won 5 JUCO world series championships, and already had a history of developing MLB and HOF caliber pitchers (Clemens, Pettite).
(06-01-2021 12:06 PM)Owl Is In Chains Wrote: [ -> ] (06-01-2021 11:18 AM)Ourland Wrote: [ -> ] (05-31-2021 07:26 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote: [ -> ] (05-31-2021 06:39 PM)Buho00 Wrote: [ -> ]Not sure how excited I'll get about hiring a guy I probably never heard of, the same week Lance Berkman is named HC at Houston Baptist. The Bragga hire was a baffling step down from the start. Seemed more like a solid Rice football type of hire, not the level of an elite baseball program. The way WG was taken out by JK was possibly the domino that lead to any riff between Berkman and WG and played a role in Berkman not being the Rice HC over Bragga nor his replacement now.
Again, Berkman, with no prior college coaching experience at any level, was never a serious contender the last time round, despite the impressive amount of homework and strategizing he did. And his relationship with WG was destroyed before the JK debacle a year later.
+1. Agree. A major D1 university has no business hiring a guy with no prior head coaching experience, no matter how popular he may be with fans. If he works out at HBU, hire him next time around.
This response has nothing to do with Berkman. I just do not understand why you have to have prior head coaching experience to get a job. Hasn't that been a problem in the NFL where fired coaches just get recycled somewhere else.
Somehow, you have to get your first head coaching job. No reason to me it has to start at the lower levels. If you have skills, you have skills. The aggies hired Childress with no head coaching experience. Seemed to work out for them. Skip Bertman was an assistant at Miami when LSU hired him. Also seemed to work out. If Graham had retired and Pierce was still an assistant at Rice, would you have not considered him?
Some guys just need an opportunity.
Again, some of you guys are intentionally missing the point. Berkman had no college coaching experience. Period. At any level. He was never an assistant coach. And he lasted as a volunteer coach for less than a month of Fall Ball. Comparing him to Childress, who was Assistant Head Coach at Nebraska for a number of years (when Nebraska was a nationally ranked program), and considered one of-- if not the preeminent-- pitching coach in all of college baseball when he was hired by the Aggies is ridiculous.
Yes, Berkman deserved a chance, but first as an assistant coach. Any highly regarded assistant coach from an elite program would be considered a viable candidate for a head coaching job, especially one who had was an Assistant Head Coach and was the primary recruiting coordinator. Berkman had none of that.
(06-01-2021 03:42 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote: [ -> ] (06-01-2021 12:06 PM)Owl Is In Chains Wrote: [ -> ] (06-01-2021 11:18 AM)Ourland Wrote: [ -> ] (05-31-2021 07:26 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote: [ -> ] (05-31-2021 06:39 PM)Buho00 Wrote: [ -> ]Not sure how excited I'll get about hiring a guy I probably never heard of, the same week Lance Berkman is named HC at Houston Baptist. The Bragga hire was a baffling step down from the start. Seemed more like a solid Rice football type of hire, not the level of an elite baseball program. The way WG was taken out by JK was possibly the domino that lead to any riff between Berkman and WG and played a role in Berkman not being the Rice HC over Bragga nor his replacement now.
Again, Berkman, with no prior college coaching experience at any level, was never a serious contender the last time round, despite the impressive amount of homework and strategizing he did. And his relationship with WG was destroyed before the JK debacle a year later.
+1. Agree. A major D1 university has no business hiring a guy with no prior head coaching experience, no matter how popular he may be with fans. If he works out at HBU, hire him next time around.
This response has nothing to do with Berkman. I just do not understand why you have to have prior head coaching experience to get a job. Hasn't that been a problem in the NFL where fired coaches just get recycled somewhere else.
Somehow, you have to get your first head coaching job. No reason to me it has to start at the lower levels. If you have skills, you have skills. The aggies hired Childress with no head coaching experience. Seemed to work out for them. Skip Bertman was an assistant at Miami when LSU hired him. Also seemed to work out. If Graham had retired and Pierce was still an assistant at Rice, would you have not considered him?
Some guys just need an opportunity.
Again, some of you guys are intentionally missing the point. Berkman had no college coaching experience. Period. At any level. He was never an assistant coach. And he lasted as a volunteer coach for less than a month of Fall Ball. Comparing him to Childress, who was Assistant Head Coach at Nebraska for a number of years (when Nebraska was a nationally ranked program), and considered one of-- if not the preeminent-- pitching coach in all of college baseball when he was hired by the Aggies is ridiculous. Yes, Berkman deserved a chance, but first as an assistant coach.
Why are you replying to me about Berkman? My first statement is that my reply has nothing to do with Berkman. My comment was in response to comments that Rice had to hire a guy with head coaching experience. I was not comparing Childress to Berkman. You did. My only comment was that if the guy is right, he does not have to have previous head coaching experience.
(06-01-2021 03:47 PM)Owl Is In Chains Wrote: [ -> ] (06-01-2021 03:42 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote: [ -> ] (06-01-2021 12:06 PM)Owl Is In Chains Wrote: [ -> ] (06-01-2021 11:18 AM)Ourland Wrote: [ -> ] (05-31-2021 07:26 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote: [ -> ]Again, Berkman, with no prior college coaching experience at any level, was never a serious contender the last time round, despite the impressive amount of homework and strategizing he did. And his relationship with WG was destroyed before the JK debacle a year later.
+1. Agree. A major D1 university has no business hiring a guy with no prior head coaching experience, no matter how popular he may be with fans. If he works out at HBU, hire him next time around.
This response has nothing to do with Berkman. I just do not understand why you have to have prior head coaching experience to get a job. Hasn't that been a problem in the NFL where fired coaches just get recycled somewhere else.
Somehow, you have to get your first head coaching job. No reason to me it has to start at the lower levels. If you have skills, you have skills. The aggies hired Childress with no head coaching experience. Seemed to work out for them. Skip Bertman was an assistant at Miami when LSU hired him. Also seemed to work out. If Graham had retired and Pierce was still an assistant at Rice, would you have not considered him?
Some guys just need an opportunity.
Again, some of you guys are intentionally missing the point. Berkman had no college coaching experience. Period. At any level. He was never an assistant coach. And he lasted as a volunteer coach for less than a month of Fall Ball. Comparing him to Childress, who was Assistant Head Coach at Nebraska for a number of years (when Nebraska was a nationally ranked program), and considered one of-- if not the preeminent-- pitching coach in all of college baseball when he was hired by the Aggies is ridiculous. Yes, Berkman deserved a chance, but first as an assistant coach.
Why are you replying to me about Berkman? My first statement is that my reply has nothing to do with Berkman. My comment was in response to comments that Rice had to hire a guy with head coaching experience. I was not comparing Childress to Berkman. You did. My only comment was that if the guy is right, he does not have to have previous head coaching experience.
And my point (if you bothered to read my entire post), which you continue to ignore, is that no one is saying that you need prior college head coaching experience, but you MUST HAVE at least some prior college coaching experience as an assistant, preferably as an Assistant Head Coach and recruiting coordinator at a respectable D1 program.
Cliff Gustafson had no college experience when he took over at UT (but he did have a very successful high school record).
Does anyone have a Baseball America account? They just posted an full article on the Rice coaching search.
On May 24, Rice athletic director Joe Karlgaard announced that head coach Matt Bragga had been fired after three seasons and a 51-76-1 record.
Bragga seemed like an odd fit at Rice when he was hired in 2018, given that he had no ties to the program, no experience coaching in the state of Texas and no coaching stops at a highly academic private school like Rice, but you certainly couldn’t argue with his prior results.
In 15 seasons as the head coach at Tennessee Tech, Bragga turned the Golden Eagles into a consistent winner in the Ohio Valley Conference. He led them to three regular-season titles and three regionals, and in 2018, his team advanced to a super regional after it upset host Mississippi in the Oxford Regional.
At the time Bragga was hired, it was clear that Rice was not the power it had once been. It was coming off of missing the postseason for the first time since 1994, it hadn’t been to a super regional since 2013 and hadn’t been to Omaha since 2008.
Fair or not, the expectation was for Bragga’s Rice teams to show positive movement in the right direction fairly quickly, but after a 25-33 first season that featured a few quality wins worth celebrating, things headed in the wrong direction. The Owls went 2-14 in the shortened 2020 campaign, albeit against a tough schedule, and finished 2021 with a 23-29-1 mark overall, but more importantly, an 11-20-1 record in Conference USA, which kept them out of the conference tournament for the first time since 1993.
It’s also jarring to look up and see Rice without any premium prospects for the upcoming draft. That’s also an area where the program has slipped in recent years, but it still produced righthander Matt Canterino and shortstop Trei Cruz, second- and third-rounders in 2019 and 2020, respectively.
The abrupt ending to Bragga’s tenure in Houston is a bit jarring and it must be acknowledged that two of Bragga’s three seasons at Rice were disrupted by the pandemic. Ultimately, Rice no doubt felt like it was between a rock and a hard place. The brand still holds cachet due to the success it had under Wayne Graham, but those days continue to get further in the rearview mirror and they weren’t willing to extend any more time to see if Bragga was the guy to reverse that trend.
Previous Head Coach
Matt Bragga: 51-76-1, 3 seasons
Job Description
The history of success for the program is chief among the reasons why the Rice job is still an extremely attractive one, but there’s more to it than that. Reckling Park is no longer a crown jewel in college baseball as it once was, but it’s still excellent. Being in Houston, it’s also right in the center of one of the best prep baseball hotbeds in the country. The academics of the institution can cut both ways, to be sure, but for a certain subset of players, that’s a big plus. The drawbacks are also clear. Not every player can qualify academically, and even for some who do, the cost of attendance can be prohibitively high. A partial scholarship just won’t get you very far at Rice compared to the public schools in the state. It’s also fair to wonder how much the last decade has hurt the brand. It’s not irreparable, but a 16-year-old player being recruited right now was in middle school the last time Rice made a regional and was 8 years old when the Owls were last on the doorstep of the CWS. The job of the next head coach will be nothing short of returning Rice to a place among the best teams in the country, and it’s clear there may not be a lot of patience when it comes to getting it done.
Will the Rice Investment be a game changer?
One of the perceived reasons that Rice’s grip on a place among college baseball’s elite slipped is that, relative to other private schools, it wasn’t doing enough to support players who could get into school but whose families couldn’t easily afford the high cost of attendance. In 2018, Rice launched a program called the Rice Investment to try to remedy that, so perhaps that’s changing, but it may take some time to bear fruit.
Will they stay inside the Rice family?
Given that Rice went so far out of the family the last time—to the consternation of some—it may be inclined to put a premium on finding someone with Rice experience on his resume this time around. If that’s the case, it will have good choices, including Texas-San Antonio head coach Pat Hallmark. But just as important as that, probably, is finding someone who either has extensive experience recruiting in Texas or experience dealing with the specific challenges of coaching at a private school like Rice, or ideally, both.
Roster Breakdown
Rice was actually a pretty veteran team in 2021, with a number of holdovers from Graham’s time at the helm still around, including the two top hitters on the team in Braden Comeaux and Bradley Gneiting. The top four hitters from last season, Comeaux, Gneiting, Cade Edwards and Will Karp are moving on. One of the most often-used starting pitchers, Mitchell Holcomb, is also set to depart. But there were bright spots among the younger players. Brandon Deskins, the team’s most effective pitcher, was just a sophomore. So was Blake Brogdon, the team leader in innings. Two-way player Guy Garibay, the top recruit in the most recent recruiting class, made an impact both ways. Hal Hughes, one of the better defensive shortstops in the sport, has the option to return, as does outfielder Connor Walsh, a premium talent who never quite got going last season and missed significant time with injury. Rice is a long way from being where it used to be, but there is some young talent in place. If it returns, that could be a part of the core that gets the Owls headed back in the right direction.
The Candidates
The end of Graham’s tenure was messy and given the unease around the program at the time, things were always going to be tough for the next man up. The next coach won’t be burdened with being the man who replaced the legend, but expectations remain high and he will inherit a team that has disappointed for the last few years.
Texas-San Antonio’s Patrick Hallmark played at Rice and was an assistant on Graham’s staff for a decade. He moved on to Missouri for a season in 2017 before beginning his head coaching career in 2018 at Incarnate Word. He was a head coach at UIW for two seasons before moving across town to UTSA, where he’s been for the last two years. If Rice wants a coach with a connection to the school, Hallmark, 47, is the most accomplished.
Texas’ Sean Allen doesn’t have Rice on his resume, but has spent the last decade working under David Pierce, who was a longtime assistant coach under Graham. He’s been a strong recruiter for Texas, worked at an expensive, strong-academic school in Tulane and knows the city of Houston well, having played and coached at UH. Allen’s experience makes him ready for a head coaching job.
Mississippi State’s Jake Gautreau has a similar profile to Allen. He’s been a strong recruiter at Mississippi State and played and coached at Tulane, giving him an understanding of what it takes to be successful at a school like Rice. Gautreau is a Texas native, but has no clear Rice ties.
Dallas Baptist’s Dan Fitzgerald is one of the most well-respected assistant coaches in the country and has played a key role in making the Patriots one of the most consistent mid-major programs in the nation. He also has head coaching experience, as he spent five years leading Des Moines Area (Iowa) JC.
Rob Childress is an interesting name to watch. He spent the last 16 years at Texas A&M and led the Aggies to 13 straight NCAA Tournament appearances and the College World Series twice, but did not have his contract renewed this year after a last-place finish in the SEC West. Childress, 52, knows Texas and has a long track record of success. If he's interested in the job, Rice has to seriously consider him.
Thanks, ExcitedOwl18. I'd say the top 3 candidates have to be Hallmark, Allen and Childress in that order. I put Allen ahead of Childress only because he was one of the finalists last time, so he already has a relationship with JK. He's also likely cost less.
In the recruiting wars, going against Jim Schlossnagle, David Pierce, Tim Corbin, Bluebell Park, Stanford, Virginia, LSU, etc, I would feel a thousand times better if we had Lance Berkman on our side than any of the above mentioned names.
(06-01-2021 04:47 PM)peanutgallery Wrote: [ -> ]In the recruiting wars, going against Jim Schlossnagle, David Pierce, Tim Corbin, Bluebell Park, Stanford, Virginia, LSU, etc, I would feel a thousand times better if we had Lance Berkman on our side than any of the above mentioned names.
I’d like to have Childress or Allen. Guys who’ve recruited successfully for/against all those programs.
Our recruiting declined under Hallmark. For the hundredth time, our best recruits were under Dave Pierce and Mike Taylor, not Hallmark.
Hallmark would definitely be an improvement over Bragga though, that’s for sure.
As for the DBU pitching coach-if he’s on our list-then the ACU head coach who was formerly a DBU assistant should definitely be on our list.
(06-01-2021 04:58 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-01-2021 04:47 PM)peanutgallery Wrote: [ -> ]In the recruiting wars, going against Jim Schlossnagle, David Pierce, Tim Corbin, Bluebell Park, Stanford, Virginia, LSU, etc, I would feel a thousand times better if we had Lance Berkman on our side than any of the above mentioned names.
I’d like to have Childress or Allen. Guys who’ve recruited successfully for/against all those programs.
Our recruiting declined under Hallmark. For the hundredth time, our best recruits were under Dave Pierce and Mike Taylor, not Hallmark.
Hallmark would definitely be an improvement over Bragga though, that’s for sure.
As for the DBU pitching coach-if he’s on our list-then the ACU head coach who was formerly a DBU assistant should definitely be on our list.
Hallmark never had the benefit of the Rice Investment when he was here. And Hallmark did bring in the likes of Canterino, Otto, Procter, Gray, Myers, Chandler, Warren, Salinas, Reeves, Teykl, Taylor, Fox and Stephens, among others.
(06-01-2021 05:02 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote: [ -> ] (06-01-2021 04:58 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-01-2021 04:47 PM)peanutgallery Wrote: [ -> ]In the recruiting wars, going against Jim Schlossnagle, David Pierce, Tim Corbin, Bluebell Park, Stanford, Virginia, LSU, etc, I would feel a thousand times better if we had Lance Berkman on our side than any of the above mentioned names.
I’d like to have Childress or Allen. Guys who’ve recruited successfully for/against all those programs.
Our recruiting declined under Hallmark. For the hundredth time, our best recruits were under Dave Pierce and Mike Taylor, not Hallmark.
Hallmark would definitely be an improvement over Bragga though, that’s for sure.
As for the DBU pitching coach-if he’s on our list-then the ACU head coach who was formerly a DBU assistant should definitely be on our list.
Hallmark never had the benefit of the Rice Investment when he was here.
Nor did assistants prior to him. The Rice:State School cost ratio was still pretty steep when Pierce and Taylor were here.
http://news.rice.edu/2011/03/07/rice-ann...fall-2011/
https://www.texastribune.org/2010/03/03/...statewide/
(06-01-2021 05:08 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-01-2021 05:02 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote: [ -> ] (06-01-2021 04:58 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-01-2021 04:47 PM)peanutgallery Wrote: [ -> ]In the recruiting wars, going against Jim Schlossnagle, David Pierce, Tim Corbin, Bluebell Park, Stanford, Virginia, LSU, etc, I would feel a thousand times better if we had Lance Berkman on our side than any of the above mentioned names.
I’d like to have Childress or Allen. Guys who’ve recruited successfully for/against all those programs.
Our recruiting declined under Hallmark. For the hundredth time, our best recruits were under Dave Pierce and Mike Taylor, not Hallmark.
Hallmark would definitely be an improvement over Bragga though, that’s for sure.
As for the DBU pitching coach-if he’s on our list-then the ACU head coach who was formerly a DBU assistant should definitely be on our list.
Hallmark never had the benefit of the Rice Investment when he was here.
Nor did assistants prior to him. The Rice:State School cost ratio was still pretty steep when Pierce and Taylor were here.
http://news.rice.edu/2011/03/07/rice-ann...fall-2011/
https://www.texastribune.org/2010/03/03/...statewide/
Hallmark did bring in the likes of Canterino, Otto, Procter, Gray, Myers, Chandler, Warren, Salinas, Reeves, Teykl, Taylor, Fox and Stephens, among others.
(06-01-2021 05:12 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote: [ -> ] (06-01-2021 05:08 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-01-2021 05:02 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote: [ -> ] (06-01-2021 04:58 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-01-2021 04:47 PM)peanutgallery Wrote: [ -> ]In the recruiting wars, going against Jim Schlossnagle, David Pierce, Tim Corbin, Bluebell Park, Stanford, Virginia, LSU, etc, I would feel a thousand times better if we had Lance Berkman on our side than any of the above mentioned names.
I’d like to have Childress or Allen. Guys who’ve recruited successfully for/against all those programs.
Our recruiting declined under Hallmark. For the hundredth time, our best recruits were under Dave Pierce and Mike Taylor, not Hallmark.
Hallmark would definitely be an improvement over Bragga though, that’s for sure.
As for the DBU pitching coach-if he’s on our list-then the ACU head coach who was formerly a DBU assistant should definitely be on our list.
Hallmark never had the benefit of the Rice Investment when he was here.
Nor did assistants prior to him. The Rice:State School cost ratio was still pretty steep when Pierce and Taylor were here.
http://news.rice.edu/2011/03/07/rice-ann...fall-2011/
https://www.texastribune.org/2010/03/03/...statewide/
Hallmark did bring in the likes of Canterino, Otto, Procter, Gray, Myers, Chandler, Warren, Salinas, Reeves, Teykl, Taylor, Fox and Stephens, among others.
I'm not saying Hallmark is a bad recruiter.
I just think Pierce and Taylor were better.
On that list of players you just named, there's a combined 0 MLB starts (so far-I think Canterino, Gray, and Otto have a shot).
Also, pretty sure Stephens (who's in AAA this season by the way-maybe he can get a call-up at some point) was a Pierce/Taylor recruit (HS class of 2011). Not sure about Tekyl, Taylor (Assuming you're referring to @RiceOwl), and Fox as they were either 2012 recruits or transfers.
(06-01-2021 05:08 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-01-2021 05:02 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote: [ -> ]Hallmark never had the benefit of the Rice Investment when he was here.
Nor did assistants prior to him. The Rice:State School cost ratio was still pretty steep when Pierce and Taylor were here.
http://news.rice.edu/2011/03/07/rice-ann...fall-2011/
https://www.texastribune.org/2010/03/03/...statewide/
But the Rice:Other Privates cost ratio was not so steep until the likes of Baylor and TCU and Tulane learned how to use academic aid creatively, starting around 2005-2010. That's the gap that the Rice Investment has a chance to close. State Schools also learned how to use academic aid, expanding their advantage even more. LSU used academic aid so effectively that they were able to offer Alex Bregman a full ride for baseball.
(06-01-2021 05:24 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-01-2021 05:12 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote: [ -> ] (06-01-2021 05:08 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-01-2021 05:02 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote: [ -> ] (06-01-2021 04:58 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote: [ -> ]I’d like to have Childress or Allen. Guys who’ve recruited successfully for/against all those programs.
Our recruiting declined under Hallmark. For the hundredth time, our best recruits were under Dave Pierce and Mike Taylor, not Hallmark.
Hallmark would definitely be an improvement over Bragga though, that’s for sure.
As for the DBU pitching coach-if he’s on our list-then the ACU head coach who was formerly a DBU assistant should definitely be on our list.
Hallmark never had the benefit of the Rice Investment when he was here.
Nor did assistants prior to him. The Rice:State School cost ratio was still pretty steep when Pierce and Taylor were here.
http://news.rice.edu/2011/03/07/rice-ann...fall-2011/
https://www.texastribune.org/2010/03/03/...statewide/
Hallmark did bring in the likes of Canterino, Otto, Procter, Gray, Myers, Chandler, Warren, Salinas, Reeves, Teykl, Taylor, Fox and Stephens, among others.
I'm not saying Hallmark is a bad recruiter.
I just think Pierce and Taylor were better.
On that list of players you just named, there's a combined 0 MLB starts (so far-I think Canterino, Gray, and Otto have a shot).
Also, pretty sure Stephens (who's in AAA this season by the way-maybe he can get a call-up at some point) was a Pierce/Taylor recruit (HS class of 2011). Not sure about Tekyl, Taylor (Assuming you're referring to @RiceOwl), and Fox as they were either 2012 recruits or transfers.
You're correct on Fox, Stephens, Taylor and Teykl. Why are you judging recruiting classes by MLB experience? Shouldn't it be evaluated based on college performance and success? BTW, Canterino is absolutely dominating so far this year, and Salinas was just promoted to AAA.
(06-01-2021 06:42 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-01-2021 05:08 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-01-2021 05:02 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote: [ -> ]Hallmark never had the benefit of the Rice Investment when he was here.
Nor did assistants prior to him. The Rice:State School cost ratio was still pretty steep when Pierce and Taylor were here.
http://news.rice.edu/2011/03/07/rice-ann...fall-2011/
https://www.texastribune.org/2010/03/03/...statewide/
But the Rice:Other Privates cost ratio was not so steep until the likes of Baylor and TCU and Tulane learned how to use academic aid creatively, starting around 2005-2010. That's the gap that the Rice Investment has a chance to close. State Schools also learned how to use academic aid, expanding their advantage even more. LSU used academic aid so effectively that they were able to offer Alex Bregman a full ride for baseball.
Used well, the Rice Investment can put us leaps and bounds ahead of the above mentioned.
Seriously, with the Rice Investment, this has literally turned the world of partial scholarship sports on its head for us.
One of my business partners was formerly a Div 1 head baseball coach at a very small West Coast school. When I told him the structure of the Rice Investment, he said that if he had had that type of economics helping him he would have salivated, since it would have allowed him to offer kids that would almost literally have zero other athletic scholarships based on the structure of athletic scholarships in the NCAA.
(06-01-2021 07:25 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote: [ -> ] (06-01-2021 05:24 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-01-2021 05:12 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote: [ -> ] (06-01-2021 05:08 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-01-2021 05:02 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote: [ -> ]Hallmark never had the benefit of the Rice Investment when he was here.
Nor did assistants prior to him. The Rice:State School cost ratio was still pretty steep when Pierce and Taylor were here.
http://news.rice.edu/2011/03/07/rice-ann...fall-2011/
https://www.texastribune.org/2010/03/03/...statewide/
Hallmark did bring in the likes of Canterino, Otto, Procter, Gray, Myers, Chandler, Warren, Salinas, Reeves, Teykl, Taylor, Fox and Stephens, among others.
I'm not saying Hallmark is a bad recruiter.
I just think Pierce and Taylor were better.
On that list of players you just named, there's a combined 0 MLB starts (so far-I think Canterino, Gray, and Otto have a shot).
Also, pretty sure Stephens (who's in AAA this season by the way-maybe he can get a call-up at some point) was a Pierce/Taylor recruit (HS class of 2011). Not sure about Tekyl, Taylor (Assuming you're referring to @RiceOwl), and Fox as they were either 2012 recruits or transfers.
You're correct on Fox, Stephens, Taylor and Teykl. Why are you judging recruiting classes by MLB experience? Shouldn't it be evaluated based on college performance and success? BTW, Canterino is absolutely dominating so far this year, and Salinas was just promoted to AAA.
Salinas promoted to AA not AAA. Still good though.