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(01-29-2022 07:17 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]Heh ---

'Weird dichotomy from leftists right now ---- on one hand you have, when dealing with the CRT issue, “banning books is Nazi behavior and should never happen”. On the other, when dealing with Joe Rogan: “you’d better pull this podcast from your service or else.'

Not weird at all, for leftists. Their ethos is always malleable depending on the situation. For reference, see filibuster.

(01-29-2022 07:17 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]Heh ---

'Weird dichotomy from leftists right now ---- on one hand you have, when dealing with the CRT issue, “banning books is Nazi behavior and should never happen”. On the other, when dealing with Joe Rogan: “you’d better pull this podcast from your service or else.'

And whats that say about the right? .

I know you are, but what about me?

(01-30-2022 09:14 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]I know you are, but what about me?

Glad you see the inherent hypocrisy of the alternate positions.

(01-30-2022 09:30 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-30-2022 09:14 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]I know you are, but what about me?

Glad you see the inherent hypocrisy of the alternate positions.

I see a lot of inherent hypocrisy in Democratic positions. For example, the filibuster. Democratic “principles”seem to be very situational. Something Tanq’s comment pointed out and highlighted.

What I was commenting on was the childish “what about you” attitude.

(01-30-2022 09:40 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-30-2022 09:30 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-30-2022 09:14 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]I know you are, but what about me?

Glad you see the inherent hypocrisy of the alternate positions.

I see a lot of inherent hypocrisy in Democratic positions. For example, the filibuster. Democratic “principles”seem to be very situational.

What I was commenting on was the childish “what about you” attitude.

Good morning to you too

(01-30-2022 09:41 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-30-2022 09:40 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-30-2022 09:30 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-30-2022 09:14 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]I know you are, but what about me?

Glad you see the inherent hypocrisy of the alternate positions.

I see a lot of inherent hypocrisy in Democratic positions. For example, the filibuster. Democratic “principles”seem to be very situational.

What I was commenting on was the childish “what about you” attitude.

Good morning to you too

Good morning sunshine, sleep well?

(01-30-2022 08:38 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-29-2022 07:17 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]Heh ---

'Weird dichotomy from leftists right now ---- on one hand you have, when dealing with the CRT issue, “banning books is Nazi behavior and should never happen”. On the other, when dealing with Joe Rogan: “you’d better pull this podcast from your service or else.'

And whats that say about the right? .

No, the comment specifically says 'weird dichotomy from leftists now ---" --- i.e. the dichotomy described refers to that existing in leftists. The examples noted are clearly leftist actions.

All in all, I would hazard a guess that a movement to literally segregate kids by race in the confines of a classroom and have each group self-identify as an 'oppressed' or an 'oppressor' isnt horribly conducive to objective learning. Most rational persons might see that as an issue more better left to more mature, objective thinking ages. One side of the spectrum spouts the crap that it is 'banning books about history', which it is not, mind you.

Yet that side is comfortably on the side of the Neil Youngs, the Joni Mitchells, and the Nils Lofgrens of the world in that a podcast, directed at mature, objective minds, is so fing dangerous that they are all aboard the 'censor it all, censor it now' bandwagon.

I think that dichotomy in subjects, and in responses, is pretty stark.

I am horribly sorry that in modern-day American progressivism, censorship is a virtual religion. They simply cannot abide the idea that anyone who thinks differently or sees the world differently than they should be heard.

In terms of CRT, I would hazard a guess that almost all 'righties' have zero issue with the promulgation of CRT in a mature, objective thinking environment -- on its face it is farcical pile of **** and would be recognized as a such. Much like the kissing cousin of white supremacist theory that falls in the same footsteps.

But, one objectively grounded, would also note that CRT may not be the best thing for teacher to cram down 6 year old Timmy's throat. But yet, the left characterizes CRT as merely 'teaching history'. But when it comes to actually putting forth subjects in terms of mature, objective audiences, seemingly the left is the poster child in jumping right into attempted censorship lock, stock, and two smoking barrels.

Bummer. The left has become absolutely the most illiberal movement in our neo-liberal society these days it appears.

On the topic of liberal inconsistency, I point to the current furor over Willy’s statue, a carved representation of our founder that makes some students uneasy, others angry, to the point that at the very least it needs to be moved or explained, or according to some, destroyed, yet those same students will gladly accept a degree with his name on it or scholarship funds from the endowment he left us.

Inconsistent? I think so.

Two things I used to own that I will never own again:

Horse
RV

I offer this to show that I, like most people, can learn from my mistakes.

I also used to be somewhat liberal, even voting for Jimmy Carter.

Oh, well, live and learn. I changed. So did the Democrats and republicans for that matter.

The first election I was eligible to vote in was 1966, a statewide but not nationwide election. I drove 5 hours from Houston to north Texas to vote, drove back the next day, missing two days of classes, in an unairconditioned 1957 Chevy.

Maybe that is one reason I scoff at Democratic claims that Republicans are trying to suppress black voters by reducing the number of drop off boxes. People who cannot be bothered to drive an extra few miles don't care much about voting. According to the Democrats, most of these people who cannot be bothered are black.

Same for voter ID. Anybody who cares and somehow doesn't already have (99.999%, est.) ID must not care much about voting if that is going to stop them. According to Democrats again, most of these easily deterred, unmotivated folks are black.

I guess they get no respect, as Rodney would say,, at least not from the party they tend to vote for.

Whether most of the ones who need it handed to them on a silver platter are black or not, I don't know. That's what the Dems say, not me. What I say is that if people care to vote, they will find a way.

Never will own a boat,, either, but I never have. Sometimes one can learn from other people's mistakes.

(02-01-2022 07:15 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]liberals canceling liberals

Unfortunately Ilya Shapiro is not a liberal -- he is very much a libertarian.

I have been following his writings for close to 15 years.

(02-01-2022 09:42 AM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-01-2022 07:15 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]liberals canceling liberals

Unfortunately Ilya Shapiro is not a liberal -- he is very much a libertarian.

I have been following his writings for close to 15 years.

Thanks for the correction. I assumed he was liberal because he described the other guy as progressive. Could be wrong on both of them.

Ilya Shapiro, who was to take up his position at Georgetown Law on February 1, tweeted on Wednesday: "(o)bjectively best pick for Biden is Sri Srinivasan," a judge on the US Court of Appeals in the District of Columbia Circuit. Shapiro also described Srinivasan as progressive and smart.

"Even has identity politics benefit of being first Asian (Indian) American," Shapiro wrote. "But alas doesn't fit into latest intersectionality hierarchy so we'll get lesser black woman. Thank heaven for small favors?"

(02-01-2022 09:42 AM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-01-2022 07:15 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]liberals canceling liberals

Unfortunately Ilya Shapiro is not a liberal -- he is very much a libertarian.

I have been following his writings for close to 15 years.

Then perhaps it's 'liberals' (n) canceling 'liberals' (v)??

Modern liberals (n) are not remotely liberal (v) in my view

(02-01-2022 11:36 AM)Hambone10 Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-01-2022 09:42 AM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-01-2022 07:15 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]liberals canceling liberals

Unfortunately Ilya Shapiro is not a liberal -- he is very much a libertarian.

I have been following his writings for close to 15 years.

Then perhaps it's 'liberals' (n) canceling 'liberals' (v)??

Modern liberals (n) are not remotely liberal (v) in my view

Yeah, the word liberal has changed over the years, as have other words like gay or progressive.

"progressives" saying what they think

Co-host Joy Behar noted, "I'm not sure that they don't use the naked part as a kind of a canard to throw you off from the fact that they don't like history that makes white people look bad."

Goldberg then stated: "If you're going to do this, now let's be truthful about it because the Holocaust isn't about race. No. It's not about race."

Navarro then said, "But it's about white supremacy. It's about going after Jews and Gypsies."

(02-01-2022 11:36 AM)Hambone10 Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-01-2022 09:42 AM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-01-2022 07:15 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]liberals canceling liberals

Unfortunately Ilya Shapiro is not a liberal -- he is very much a libertarian.

I have been following his writings for close to 15 years.

Then perhaps it's 'liberals' (n) canceling 'liberals' (v)??

Modern liberals (n) are not remotely liberal (v) in my view

Agree wholeheartedly with the second sentence.

That is why I call the former progressives. That is a far more accurate note of what their belief system is.

(02-01-2022 12:11 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-01-2022 11:36 AM)Hambone10 Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-01-2022 09:42 AM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-01-2022 07:15 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]liberals canceling liberals

Unfortunately Ilya Shapiro is not a liberal -- he is very much a libertarian.

I have been following his writings for close to 15 years.

Then perhaps it's 'liberals' (n) canceling 'liberals' (v)??

Modern liberals (n) are not remotely liberal (v) in my view

Agree wholeheartedly with the second sentence.

That is why I call the former progressives. That is a far more accurate note of what their belief system is.

i hate that they have ruined the word "progressive". I think radical is more descriptive.

If this keeps up, I may have to cancel some insurance.

Going to say this --- Whoopi Goldberg has learned the lesson of the difference between a progressive and a liberal. And also, I do not think it right, proper, nor just for her to be suspended for her remarks. Her apology should be accepted.

I will treat her in the same manner that I will treat everyone who crosses the 'woke asshat' / cancel culture brigade and that same brigade tries to wreck the life of anyone who says anything apart from the groupthink.

(02-02-2022 09:54 AM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]Going to say this --- Whoopi Goldberg has learned the lesson of the difference between a progressive and a liberal. And also, I do not think it right, proper, nor just for her to be suspended for her remarks. Her apology should be accepted.

I will treat her in the same manner that I will treat everyone who crosses the 'woke asshat' / cancel culture brigade and that same brigade tries to wreck the life of anyone who says anything apart from the groupthink.

Hear, hear.