(04-22-2021 05:16 PM)rc0213 Wrote: [ -> ]Some regular was on John Hardin's show today.
Their opinion is Cisse most likely will not come back. Of course, everyone has the opinion that Cisse is not ready for the NBA, even this person. But, with Cisse not signing with an agent, it gives Cisse the option to come back to Memphis or another school. Cisse could hope for a late pick, but, no one thinks that is happening.
So, the realistic option is Cisse playing for a college. This person thinks the people around Cisse pushed Cisse to go into transfer portal because, even if Cisse isn't drafted, these "people" around Cisse believe Cisse should have had more touches. And, because of that, they're advising Cisse to transfer to a different school.
Not sure where this person got the info, so, take it with a grain of salt.
Moussa would have had a lot more touches and shot attempts if he could catch the basketball, and knew how to play the game. He can learn both of those things at Memphis and I hope he decides to stay.
(04-21-2021 09:10 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote: [ -> ]Because they protect the stars today and don't call fouls on them?
MJ started that.
Absolutely. See my above post.
They widened the lane to try and limit Chamberlain’s dominance. And free throws had to be released behind the free throw line because Wilt could jump from the line and dunk it. Lol. They changed rules to make it harder for Wilt. They changed rules to make it easier for Jordan and stars of his era.
Chamberlain was an athletic wonder when he played...
But a lot of that was who he was playing against. The league is exponentially more athletic and skilled than it was back in the 60s. Not sure how anyone could argue to the contrary.
Heck even in the 80's Bird was considered a physically imposing player...He was 6'9 220
Kevin Durant who everyone sees as slender now is 6'10 and 240.
The league is watered down with too many teams. This was mentioned above. Hell the Celtics and the Knicks of the 60's had almost all starters make the HOF.
When you grew up watching those guys play it's hard to watch the trash ball that the nba has become. I stopped watching when MJ was laying on the floor of the locker room spooning the trophy after the finals. Do you think Wilt would have done that?
Lol...
HOF players are judged based on their era.
The skillsets and athleticism is not even close. You had stiffs in the league back then that the stars were playing against. But I guess keep on believing in the "Golden Age" of basketball.
You can argue that those players would be better with the training and nutrition available to today's players...That is fair...But they didn't have them so I judge them by who they were.
I think the main differences in the two era's is that back in the "Golden Age" of basketball you had real men playing. Today, by comparison, they are just a bunch of punk ass *******. But with better nutrition and weed.
(04-22-2021 05:41 PM)rc0213 Wrote: [ -> ]Then, there is this...
Interesting. Goes against all our local "experts" - so we will see.
I believe the 7/19 date is the NBA date. The NCAA date, for whatever reason, is always earlier. Likely around 6/30.
I love this kid. If he gets positive feedback, I hope he bounces and has a great career. If they say he needs another season, I hope it's as a Tiger and I know he will ball out. Either way I'm a Cisse fan and wish the young fella well!
(04-23-2021 07:14 AM)bluecrew Wrote: [ -> ]I love this kid. If he gets positive feedback, I hope he bounces and has a great career. If they say he needs another season, I hope it's as a Tiger and I know he will ball out. Either way I'm a Cisse fan and wish the young fella well!
It will be interesting to see how it plays out. Another year in school would benefit him greatly. Hope he returns.
I'm a MC fan. He hustles and battles. To be blunt, I feel he is not even remotely ready for the NBA now or in three years.
As a Vandy fan, I watched Festus Ezeli blossom into a strong college player. Ezeli, by the time he concluded his VU career, was vastly better than Cisse is now. But even Ezeli struggled in the NBA somewhat (his injury problems nothwithstanding).
Cisse needs another year or two playing college ball. If so, I surely hope it is as a Memphis Tiger.
(04-21-2021 06:44 PM)450bench Wrote: [ -> ]Mj couldn’t carry Wilt’s jock. Wilt still has 70+ records and he hasn’t played in 40+ years.
Just for starters, Wilt scored 50+ 118 times in his career. Easily the most ever. Mj is second with 31. Wilt averaged 50.4 a game for a season. Along with 26 rebounds.
Wilt was the most Dominant in his Era...
I don't think many would argue with that...But his era doesn't compare well to today.
Because they protect the stars today and don't call fouls on them?
MJ started that.
Absolutely. See my above post.
They widened the lane to try and limit Chamberlain’s dominance. And free throws had to be released behind the free throw line because Wilt could jump from the line and dunk it. Lol. They changed rules to make it harder for Wilt. They changed rules to make it easier for Jordan and stars of his era.
Chamberlain was an athletic wonder when he played...
But a lot of that was who he was playing against. The league is exponentially more athletic and skilled than it was back in the 60s. Not sure how anyone could argue to the contrary.
Heck even in the 80's Bird was considered a physically imposing player...He was 6'9 220
Kevin Durant who everyone sees as slender now is 6'10 and 240.
Shaq would have smashed those 1950s and 60s white boys.
(04-21-2021 08:57 PM)macgar32 Wrote: [ -> ]Wilt was the most Dominant in his Era...
I don't think many would argue with that...But his era doesn't compare well to today.
Because they protect the stars today and don't call fouls on them?
MJ started that.
Absolutely. See my above post.
They widened the lane to try and limit Chamberlain’s dominance. And free throws had to be released behind the free throw line because Wilt could jump from the line and dunk it. Lol. They changed rules to make it harder for Wilt. They changed rules to make it easier for Jordan and stars of his era.
Chamberlain was an athletic wonder when he played...
But a lot of that was who he was playing against. The league is exponentially more athletic and skilled than it was back in the 60s. Not sure how anyone could argue to the contrary.
Heck even in the 80's Bird was considered a physically imposing player...He was 6'9 220
Kevin Durant who everyone sees as slender now is 6'10 and 240.
Shaq would have smashed those 1950s and 60s white boys.
In both cases the refs decided that their physical dominance wasn't fair, and allowed way more contact against them than against any other players.
(04-21-2021 08:57 PM)macgar32 Wrote: [ -> ]Wilt was the most Dominant in his Era...
I don't think many would argue with that...But his era doesn't compare well to today.
Because they protect the stars today and don't call fouls on them?
MJ started that.
Absolutely. See my above post.
They widened the lane to try and limit Chamberlain’s dominance. And free throws had to be released behind the free throw line because Wilt could jump from the line and dunk it. Lol. They changed rules to make it harder for Wilt. They changed rules to make it easier for Jordan and stars of his era.
Chamberlain was an athletic wonder when he played...
But a lot of that was who he was playing against. The league is exponentially more athletic and skilled than it was back in the 60s. Not sure how anyone could argue to the contrary.
Heck even in the 80's Bird was considered a physically imposing player...He was 6'9 220
Kevin Durant who everyone sees as slender now is 6'10 and 240.
Shaq would have smashed those 1950s and 60s white boys.
(04-21-2021 08:57 PM)macgar32 Wrote: [ -> ]Wilt was the most Dominant in his Era...
I don't think many would argue with that...But his era doesn't compare well to today.
Because they protect the stars today and don't call fouls on them?
MJ started that.
Absolutely. See my above post.
They widened the lane to try and limit Chamberlain’s dominance. And free throws had to be released behind the free throw line because Wilt could jump from the line and dunk it. Lol. They changed rules to make it harder for Wilt. They changed rules to make it easier for Jordan and stars of his era.
Chamberlain was an athletic wonder when he played...
But a lot of that was who he was playing against. The league is exponentially more athletic and skilled than it was back in the 60s. Not sure how anyone could argue to the contrary.
Heck even in the 80's Bird was considered a physically imposing player...He was 6'9 220
Kevin Durant who everyone sees as slender now is 6'10 and 240.
Shaq would have smashed those 1950s and 60s white boys.
(04-21-2021 08:57 PM)macgar32 Wrote: [ -> ]Wilt was the most Dominant in his Era...
I don't think many would argue with that...But his era doesn't compare well to today.
Because they protect the stars today and don't call fouls on them?
MJ started that.
Absolutely. See my above post.
They widened the lane to try and limit Chamberlain’s dominance. And free throws had to be released behind the free throw line because Wilt could jump from the line and dunk it. Lol. They changed rules to make it harder for Wilt. They changed rules to make it easier for Jordan and stars of his era.
Chamberlain was an athletic wonder when he played...
But a lot of that was who he was playing against. The league is exponentially more athletic and skilled than it was back in the 60s. Not sure how anyone could argue to the contrary.
Heck even in the 80's Bird was considered a physically imposing player...He was 6'9 220
Kevin Durant who everyone sees as slender now is 6'10 and 240.
Shaq would have smashed those 1950s and 60s white boys.
(04-21-2021 09:10 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote: [ -> ]Because they protect the stars today and don't call fouls on them?
MJ started that.
Absolutely. See my above post.
They widened the lane to try and limit Chamberlain’s dominance. And free throws had to be released behind the free throw line because Wilt could jump from the line and dunk it. Lol. They changed rules to make it harder for Wilt. They changed rules to make it easier for Jordan and stars of his era.
Chamberlain was an athletic wonder when he played...
But a lot of that was who he was playing against. The league is exponentially more athletic and skilled than it was back in the 60s. Not sure how anyone could argue to the contrary.
Heck even in the 80's Bird was considered a physically imposing player...He was 6'9 220
Kevin Durant who everyone sees as slender now is 6'10 and 240.
Shaq would have smashed those 1950s and 60s white boys.
(04-21-2021 09:10 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote: [ -> ]Because they protect the stars today and don't call fouls on them?
MJ started that.
Absolutely. See my above post.
They widened the lane to try and limit Chamberlain’s dominance. And free throws had to be released behind the free throw line because Wilt could jump from the line and dunk it. Lol. They changed rules to make it harder for Wilt. They changed rules to make it easier for Jordan and stars of his era.
Chamberlain was an athletic wonder when he played...
But a lot of that was who he was playing against. The league is exponentially more athletic and skilled than it was back in the 60s. Not sure how anyone could argue to the contrary.
Heck even in the 80's Bird was considered a physically imposing player...He was 6'9 220
Kevin Durant who everyone sees as slender now is 6'10 and 240.
Shaq would have smashed those 1950s and 60s white boys.
What most people don't realize is it is much harder for Bigs to survive today due to the rules change.
Prior to the change of the illegal defense rule...YOU HAD TO GUARD YOUR MAN OR THE BALL.
So I could stick Dennis Rodman at the 3 point line and put Jordan on the post and Rodman had to be guarded until Jordan touched the ball.
Essentially everyone had to be guarded like they were 3 point threats. That opened the lane up for Jordan and anyone else...Made ISO ball Simple. You didn't have to have shooters on the floor. Dennis Rodman then would be as effective spreading he floor as Klay Thompson now.
Rules were in place to protect teams who put players on the floor who lacked skill. Those times are gone.
If you aren't an offensive threat teams don't guard you. You can't play McHale and Parish together...Just wont work. The game is more natural and true instead of having elementary school rules in place.
(04-21-2021 08:57 PM)macgar32 Wrote: [ -> ]Wilt was the most Dominant in his Era...
I don't think many would argue with that...But his era doesn't compare well to today.
Because they protect the stars today and don't call fouls on them?
MJ started that.
Absolutely. See my above post.
They widened the lane to try and limit Chamberlain’s dominance. And free throws had to be released behind the free throw line because Wilt could jump from the line and dunk it. Lol. They changed rules to make it harder for Wilt. They changed rules to make it easier for Jordan and stars of his era.
Chamberlain was an athletic wonder when he played...
But a lot of that was who he was playing against. The league is exponentially more athletic and skilled than it was back in the 60s. Not sure how anyone could argue to the contrary.
Heck even in the 80's Bird was considered a physically imposing player...He was 6'9 220
Kevin Durant who everyone sees as slender now is 6'10 and 240.
Shaq would have smashed those 1950s and 60s white boys.
Shaq probably wouldn't have even made a team back then. Dunking was his only shot.
There is a story told about Magic and Wilt playing against each other in a pick up game and Magic calls a foul Wilt did not agree with. Wilt tells Magic that he won't get another shot off the rest of the game. And he didn't.
Remember Gus Johnson who was listed at about 6'6" and about 230? He was driving against Wilt on a layup and Wilt went up and, with one hand, caught the ball cleanly. All Wilt did was get his hand on the ball. Gus' forward motion immediately stopped, and he felt something pop in his shoulder. He hit the floor, and when they examined him, he became the first and only player ever to suffer a dislocated shoulder on a blocked shot. Wilt didn't even foul him on the play, all he did was block the dunk. He never even touched him, he got all ball.
Again, Wilt would average more points, rebounds, blocks and assists if he were playing in this era. By a wide margin. As a side note, he did lead the league in assists one year. Only center to ever do
that.
