Well done. Three teams in the Elite 8.
I think my ACC is going to have a few rough years as they navigate through several Hall of Fame coaches last few seasons. I don't think the ACC will ever be bad but the next couple years will be chaotic with transfers and one and done's and parity.
(03-29-2021 07:57 AM)TexanMark Wrote: [ -> ]Well done. Three teams in the Elite 8.
Yeah, the PAC was the best. So much for what the experts and NET thought, LOL.
Every year is different. We'll see about next year.
(03-29-2021 08:07 AM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2021 07:57 AM)TexanMark Wrote: [ -> ]Well done. Three teams in the Elite 8.
Yeah, the PAC was the best. So much for what the experts and NET thought, LOL.
Every year is different. We'll see about next year.
Agreed...parity is kinda fun however the top programs will always rise to the top because they have the $$$, fan bases and history.
(03-29-2021 08:19 AM)TexanMark Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2021 08:07 AM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2021 07:57 AM)TexanMark Wrote: [ -> ]Well done. Three teams in the Elite 8.
Yeah, the PAC was the best. So much for what the experts and NET thought, LOL.
Every year is different. We'll see about next year.
Agreed...parity is kinda fun however the top programs will always rise to the top because they have the $$$, fan bases and history.
Yes, recruits are not going to stop favoring Kentucky, Kansas, Duke and UNC just because of this year. Next year will be back to normal, LOL.
(03-29-2021 08:23 AM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2021 08:19 AM)TexanMark Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2021 08:07 AM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2021 07:57 AM)TexanMark Wrote: [ -> ]Well done. Three teams in the Elite 8.
Yeah, the PAC was the best. So much for what the experts and NET thought, LOL.
Every year is different. We'll see about next year.
Agreed...parity is kinda fun however the top programs will always rise to the top because they have the $$$, fan bases and history.
Yes, recruits are not going to stop favoring Kentucky, Kansas, Duke and UNC just because of this year. Next year will be back to normal, LOL.
It is changing somewhat and it is very competitive. Michigan with Juwan Howard is killing it in recruiting. Memphis is doing well with Penny Hardaway. Florida State is doing really well. Duke and Kentucky are doing well, as always. UCLA, USC, Oregon and Stanford are doing well in recruiting in the Pac-12 and the NCAA tournament performance will certainly help the conference. Then there is the G League that is taking top prospects and the FBI Investigation that could hit schools like Louisville, Kansas, and Arizona hard. There maybe some changes coming.
(03-29-2021 01:56 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2021 08:23 AM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2021 08:19 AM)TexanMark Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2021 08:07 AM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2021 07:57 AM)TexanMark Wrote: [ -> ]Well done. Three teams in the Elite 8.
Yeah, the PAC was the best. So much for what the experts and NET thought, LOL.
Every year is different. We'll see about next year.
Agreed...parity is kinda fun however the top programs will always rise to the top because they have the $$$, fan bases and history.
Yes, recruits are not going to stop favoring Kentucky, Kansas, Duke and UNC just because of this year. Next year will be back to normal, LOL.
It is changing somewhat and it is very competitive. Michigan with Juwan Howard is killing it in recruiting. Memphis is doing well with Penny Hardaway. Florida State is doing really well. Duke and Kentucky are doing well, as always. UCLA, USC, Oregon and Stanford are doing well in recruiting in the Pac-12 and the NCAA tournament performance will certainly help the conference. Then there is the G League that is taking top prospects and the FBI Investigation that could hit schools like Louisville, Kansas, and Arizona hard. There maybe some changes coming.
I wouldn't be too worried about Louisville, Kansas, or Arizona. Bill Self and Sean Miller could lose their jobs and/or the schools could have to miss an NCAA Tournament or two (Chris Mack wasn't to my knowledge implicated) but the schools have well respected names and probably will eventually wind up on their feet. Kentucky right before the Christian Laettner shot was in a similar situation and they rebounded. Kansas had to miss the NCAA Tournament in 1989 (the year after they won the 1988 national championship) because of probation. In 1991, they were back in the national championship game. The school I would be most worried about would be Auburn. If Bruce Pearl gets hit, they'll have a harder time replacing him.
(03-29-2021 08:23 AM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2021 08:19 AM)TexanMark Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2021 08:07 AM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2021 07:57 AM)TexanMark Wrote: [ -> ]Well done. Three teams in the Elite 8.
Yeah, the PAC was the best. So much for what the experts and NET thought, LOL.
Every year is different. We'll see about next year.
Agreed...parity is kinda fun however the top programs will always rise to the top because they have the $$$, fan bases and history.
Yes, recruits are not going to stop favoring Kentucky, Kansas, Duke and UNC just because of this year. Next year will be back to normal, LOL.
I don't think so. Part of what we are seeing is the end of the era for some of the very old coaches. Players are shifting toward the younger coaches. The younger coaches who have elite programs are starting to replace the old guard.
Yes the same 20 schools have money, but its a minority of those 20 who have the right coach at the moment. It's probably time for Duke to find it's next guy, time for Calipari to move on, time for Roy Williams to retire, Boeheim too but he'll do so when his son completes school. I could see Kentucky going after Penny Hardaway in a year or two, as he seems to be figuring it out, much like Juwan Howard has at Michigan -- assuming he's willing to leave his hometown (he seems to be able to recruit fine there). If Eric Musselman can resist the NBA temptation, he seems like the right target for Duke or North Carolina. Indiana is also still in the weeds.
This is a transition era for many of the blue bloods. Their coaches are long in the tooth, the culture of the players evolving.
I think we're going to see some interesting things the next couple of years because the transfer portal will change the way recruiting is done. In the 90's, all of the sudden players were leaving early left and right when it was much more rare years prior. Coaches like Dean Smith didn't want to adapt and therefore retired. Some of these older coaches might not want the extra headache of recruiting their own team year after year. It will be interesting.
Oh, and kudos to the Pac 12. USC and Oregon were on my radar, but Oregon State and UCLA are definitely surprises.
I'm not as old as some people here but I've seen the transitions of North Carolina, Kentucky, and Kansas. All three schools have had some lean periods and UNC and UK have had coaches in which you shall not mention their names on campus if you wish to be treated well (Billy Gillespie (ducks)) but all have won national championships under their current coaches. I am confident UNC and UK will be able to replace Roy Williams and John Calipari.
The ones I have less certainty on would be Duke and Syracuse as I've only known one "successful" head coach at each school. Michigan State did win a national championship under Jud Heathcoate but Tom Izzo made way more Final Fours and has been the dominant team in the Big Ten for most of his career. Replacing him will be tough, especially with Juwan Howard building a top program at Michigan.
UConn had Jim Calhoun and then his replacement won a national championship but the program fell apart under his watch but my hope is Dan Hurley brings them back to the top (the Big East hopefully will help). Georgetown hasn't been the same since John Thompson Sr. was there and Indiana since Bob Knight. Arizona has been OK under Sean Miller. UCLA made three Final Fours under Ben Howland but they haven't been the same since (well maybe this year is the turning point for them).
Yes, this has been the PAC's tournament! Well done and congratulations to the teams advancing to the elite 8.
(03-29-2021 07:57 AM)TexanMark Wrote: [ -> ]Well done. Three teams in the Elite 8.
I think my ACC is going to have a few rough years as they navigate through several Hall of Fame coaches last few seasons. I don't think the ACC will ever be bad but the next couple years will be chaotic with transfers and one and done's and parity.
PAC has been impressive. Beavers are as close as we’ll get to a Cinderella team this year.
I’m not sure that the ACC will necessarily struggle during the next few years. Bennett and Hamilton are at their peak, Mack seems solid, Pastner and Young were impressive this year. It wouldn’t be surprising if the COVID pandemic took an unusual toll on the older hall-of-farmers.
With everyone getting an extra year of eligibility for next year, it should be exciting.
(03-29-2021 03:27 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2021 07:57 AM)TexanMark Wrote: [ -> ]Well done. Three teams in the Elite 8.
I think my ACC is going to have a few rough years as they navigate through several Hall of Fame coaches last few seasons. I don't think the ACC will ever be bad but the next couple years will be chaotic with transfers and one and done's and parity.
PAC has been impressive. Beavers are as close as we’ll get to a Cinderella team this year.
I’m not sure that the ACC will necessarily struggle during the next few years. Bennett and Hamilton are at their peak, Mack seems solid, Pastner and Young were impressive this year. It wouldn’t be surprising if the COVID pandemic took an unusual toll on the older hall-of-farmers.
With everyone getting an extra year of eligibility for next year, it should be exciting.
I'm not sure that extra year is going to help the HOF coaches nearing retirement. Duke and Carolina are already seeing key players transfer out. Do they know something we don't?
(03-29-2021 03:42 PM)ken d Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2021 03:27 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2021 07:57 AM)TexanMark Wrote: [ -> ]Well done. Three teams in the Elite 8.
I think my ACC is going to have a few rough years as they navigate through several Hall of Fame coaches last few seasons. I don't think the ACC will ever be bad but the next couple years will be chaotic with transfers and one and done's and parity.
PAC has been impressive. Beavers are as close as we’ll get to a Cinderella team this year.
I’m not sure that the ACC will necessarily struggle during the next few years. Bennett and Hamilton are at their peak, Mack seems solid, Pastner and Young were impressive this year. It wouldn’t be surprising if the COVID pandemic took an unusual toll on the older hall-of-farmers.
With everyone getting an extra year of eligibility for next year, it should be exciting.
I'm not sure that extra year is going to help the HOF coaches nearing retirement. Duke and Carolina are already seeing key players transfer out. Do they know something we don't?
This is just the new paradigm. No doubt that Duke and Carolina need to adapt to the new transfer rules...all big-time basketball will need to adapt. Coach K adapted, then mastered, the NBA one-and-done program. Players are going to leave and everyone will be recruiting transfer portal players...it’s an extension of the one-and-done mindset.
(03-29-2021 03:27 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2021 07:57 AM)TexanMark Wrote: [ -> ]Well done. Three teams in the Elite 8.
I think my ACC is going to have a few rough years as they navigate through several Hall of Fame coaches last few seasons. I don't think the ACC will ever be bad but the next couple years will be chaotic with transfers and one and done's and parity.
PAC has been impressive. Beavers are as close as we’ll get to a Cinderella team this year.
I’m not sure that the ACC will necessarily struggle during the next few years. Bennett and Hamilton are at their peak, Mack seems solid, Pastner and Young were impressive this year. It wouldn’t be surprising if the COVID pandemic took an unusual toll on the older hall-of-farmers.
With everyone getting an extra year of eligibility for next year, it should be exciting.
Oral Roberts was the Cinderella. They beat a 2 and a 7 and were a few inches from the Elite 8.
Oregon State won a major conference tournament to get in the Dance.
IDK,,, if the AAC were to win the NCAA and NIT would that put it in the running? If so it would be the 2nd NCAA and NIT Championship in its 8yr history.
(03-29-2021 07:19 PM)esayem Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2021 03:27 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2021 07:57 AM)TexanMark Wrote: [ -> ]Well done. Three teams in the Elite 8.
I think my ACC is going to have a few rough years as they navigate through several Hall of Fame coaches last few seasons. I don't think the ACC will ever be bad but the next couple years will be chaotic with transfers and one and done's and parity.
PAC has been impressive. Beavers are as close as we’ll get to a Cinderella team this year.
I’m not sure that the ACC will necessarily struggle during the next few years. Bennett and Hamilton are at their peak, Mack seems solid, Pastner and Young were impressive this year. It wouldn’t be surprising if the COVID pandemic took an unusual toll on the older hall-of-farmers.
With everyone getting an extra year of eligibility for next year, it should be exciting.
Oral Roberts was the Cinderella. They beat a 2 and a 7 and were a few inches from the Elite 8.
Oregon State won a major conference tournament to get in the Dance.
The clock struck midnight...got it
(03-29-2021 07:31 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote: [ -> ]IDK,,, if the AAC were to win the NCAA and NIT would that put it in the running? If so it would be the 2nd NCAA and NIT Championship in its 8yr history.
Probably not the best conference, but it would be an impressive accomplishment. Difficult to be the best hoops conference with only 2 of 11 making the Tournament.
(03-29-2021 07:31 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote: [ -> ]IDK,,, if the AAC were to win the NCAA and NIT would that put it in the running? If so it would be the 2nd NCAA and NIT Championship in its 8yr history.
Put it the running for what?
(03-29-2021 07:52 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2021 07:31 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote: [ -> ]IDK,,, if the AAC were to win the NCAA and NIT would that put it in the running? If so it would be the 2nd NCAA and NIT Championship in its 8yr history.
Probably not the best conference, but it would be an impressive accomplishment. Difficult to be the best hoops conference with only 2 of 11 making the Tournament.
True but that’s a matter of committee bias and disrespect. No offense but when two conferences get a total of 16 bids the perceived little guys have to pay the price. Hint no conference is so good that they merit receiving 9 bids, and the first two rounds proved as much.
(03-29-2021 07:31 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote: [ -> ]IDK,,, if the AAC were to win the NCAA and NIT would that put it in the running? If so it would be the 2nd NCAA and NIT Championship in its 8yr history.
I said this before the tournament started, Memphis was a tournament team. It’s just the committee selects teams on overall resume not how they’re playing at the end. I’m not sure why November and December matter as much but they do.