Did anyone else watch the Troy / Tx A&M game or see the highlights of the last few minutes?
What’s is everyone’s thoughts on the “charging” and then “tripping” fouls? Also did the A&M player go backcourt after she had possession or before?
Tonight sucked but I think we helped get some eyes on the Belt in Women’s b-ball.
Here's what was obvious most of the game... the refs definitely favored the P5 team. You can't tell me there was no sort of bias. The same fouls being called on Troy weren't being called on A&M, especially toward the end.
As physical as that game was on both sides, you shouldn't have such a disparity in foul calls. 25 fouls called on Troy, and only 12 called on Texas A&M. Troy almost had the entire starting lineup fouled out.
As far as people taking notice of the SBC for this game... I doubt it. A win would've made people take notice. To most people, it's just another #15 seed losing to a #2 seed.
(03-22-2021 11:32 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote: [ -> ]Did anyone else watch the Troy / Tx A&M game or see the highlights of the last few minutes?
What’s is everyone’s thoughts on the “charging” and then “tripping” fouls? Also did the A&M player go backcourt after she had possession or before?
Tonight sucked but I think we helped get some eyes on the Belt in Women’s b-ball.
This will be an unpopular opinion but the backcourt violation was incredibly close and could have gone either way.
Frontcourt or backcourt status is established when a player or team control is gained, because it's an inbounds play team control could not be established which means you have to determine when player control is established, the NCAA rule book defines player control as holding or dribbling live ball inbounds. The offensives players start her dribble when she pushes the ball towards the court. You can reasonably argue that the offensive player never gained control of the ball before going into the backcourt especially when considering that the referee gets to watch the play 1 time at game speed.
The NCAA casebook play most applicable to this situation says that if a player fumbles the ball into the backcourt on a throw-in they are allowed to retrieve it. This play could also fit the description of a fumble as the ball was "muffed when a pass between teammates is not caught". The rule book also specifically says during a throw in "an offensive player not in control of the ball may cause the ball to go into the backcourt."
Overall this is about as tough a call as it gets for the referee in the trail position as there is an incredibly small margin for him to determine when player control is established and there is not a hard definition of when that control is exactly established. This play does not fit any replay criteria so he got 1 look in real-time.
In summary, this is why officiating basketball is so difficult the rules are incredibly difficult to interpret and leave situations like this one where either call could be reasonably justified. I am sure this play will be the subject of many slides at clinics this summer.
Too bad for Troy they have been the dominant women's sunbelt team for 2 years and deserved a win and I think they got the wrong end of that charge call, but the backcourt violation was not the egregious error fans are making it out to be.
surprised the obvious backcourt wasn't reviewable
(03-23-2021 08:34 AM)panther254 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2021 11:32 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote: [ -> ]Did anyone else watch the Troy / Tx A&M game or see the highlights of the last few minutes?
What’s is everyone’s thoughts on the “charging” and then “tripping” fouls? Also did the A&M player go backcourt after she had possession or before?
Tonight sucked but I think we helped get some eyes on the Belt in Women’s b-ball.
This will be an unpopular opinion but the backcourt violation was incredibly close and could have gone either way.
Frontcourt or backcourt status is established when a player or team control is gained, because it's an inbounds play team control could not be established which means you have to determine when player control is established, the NCAA rule book defines player control as holding or dribbling live ball inbounds. The offensives players start her dribble when she pushes the ball towards the court. You can reasonably argue that the offensive player never gained control of the ball before going into the backcourt especially when considering that the referee gets to watch the play 1 time at game speed.
The NCAA casebook play most applicable to this situation says that if a player fumbles the ball into the backcourt on a throw-in they are allowed to retrieve it. This play could also fit the description of a fumble as the ball was "muffed when a pass between teammates is not caught". The rule book also specifically says during a throw in "an offensive player not in control of the ball may cause the ball to go into the backcourt."
Overall this is about as tough a call as it gets for the referee in the trail position as there is an incredibly small margin for him to determine when player control is established and there is not a hard definition of when that control is exactly established. This play does not fit any replay criteria so he got 1 look in real-time.
In summary, this is why officiating basketball is so difficult the rules are incredibly difficult to interpret and leave situations like this one where either call could be reasonably justified. I am sure this play will be the subject of many slides at clinics this summer.
Too bad for Troy they have been the dominant women's sunbelt team for 2 years and deserved a win and I think they got the wrong end of that charge call, but the backcourt violation was not the egregious error fans are making it out to be.
The charge and tripping were terrible missed calls in my opinion but yeah the backcourt was really close. She made one dribble before going backcourt but it’s hard to know if that’s considered “possession”. I am biased so that’s why I asked what others think about it haha.
(03-23-2021 08:20 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote: [ -> ]Here's what was obvious most of the game... the refs definitely favored the P5 team. You can't tell me there was no sort of bias. The same fouls being called on Troy weren't being called on A&M, especially toward the end.
As physical as that game was on both sides, you shouldn't have such a disparity in foul calls. 25 fouls called on Troy, and only 12 called on Texas A&M. Troy almost had the entire starting lineup fouled out.
As far as people taking notice of the SBC for this game... I doubt it. A win would've made people take notice. To most people, it's just another #15 seed losing to a #2 seed.
I think I’m more angry about the charge & tripping calls. I could have sworn I seen those reviewed in a men’s game earlier this year.
(03-23-2021 08:34 AM)panther254 Wrote: [ -> ]Too bad for Troy they have been the dominant women's sunbelt team for 2 years and deserved a win and I think they got the wrong end of that charge call, but the backcourt violation was not the egregious error fans are making it out to be.
I believe the uproar is because the officials refused to even review the play. Even the ESPN announcers were shocked that the refs didn't even make an attempt to review it.
There was also an offensive charge called against Troy where the TAMU player never stopped moving... Troy still made the shot... and refs decided to take the points off the board.
And then the tripping foul that was called on the wrong Troy player... and somehow just happened to be our best player to make her foul out of the game... was unbelievable. That was another play that was reviewable to determine which player committed the foul, and Troy coaches were furious that the refs didn't even care.
All of this within the last 1 minute or so of the game. Go figure. Even news outlets like ESPN, Yahoo, and USA Today agree about the awful officiating that favored TAMU.
(03-23-2021 09:08 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote: [ -> ] (03-23-2021 08:34 AM)panther254 Wrote: [ -> ]Too bad for Troy they have been the dominant women's sunbelt team for 2 years and deserved a win and I think they got the wrong end of that charge call, but the backcourt violation was not the egregious error fans are making it out to be.
I believe the uproar is because the officials refused to even review the play. Even the ESPN announcers were shocked that the refs didn't even make an attempt to review it.
There was also an offensive charge called against Troy where the TAMU player never stopped moving... Troy still made the shot... and refs decided to take the points off the board.
And then the tripping foul that was called on the wrong Troy player... and somehow just happened to be our best player to make her foul out of the game... was unbelievable. That was another play that was reviewable to determine which player committed the foul, and Troy coaches were furious that the refs didn't even care.
All of this within the last 1 minute or so of the game. Go figure. Even news outlets like ESPN, Yahoo, and USA Today agree about the awful officiating that favored TAMU.
As mentioned I don't believe the backcourt play or the charge meets replay requirements on a charge the only reviewable factor is if the play occurs in the restricted area. You are correct that they could review for who committed the foul on the tripping call if there is uncertainty.
(03-23-2021 09:34 AM)panther254 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-23-2021 09:08 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote: [ -> ] (03-23-2021 08:34 AM)panther254 Wrote: [ -> ]Too bad for Troy they have been the dominant women's sunbelt team for 2 years and deserved a win and I think they got the wrong end of that charge call, but the backcourt violation was not the egregious error fans are making it out to be.
I believe the uproar is because the officials refused to even review the play. Even the ESPN announcers were shocked that the refs didn't even make an attempt to review it.
There was also an offensive charge called against Troy where the TAMU player never stopped moving... Troy still made the shot... and refs decided to take the points off the board.
And then the tripping foul that was called on the wrong Troy player... and somehow just happened to be our best player to make her foul out of the game... was unbelievable. That was another play that was reviewable to determine which player committed the foul, and Troy coaches were furious that the refs didn't even care.
All of this within the last 1 minute or so of the game. Go figure. Even news outlets like ESPN, Yahoo, and USA Today agree about the awful officiating that favored TAMU.
As mentioned I don't believe the backcourt play or the charge meets replay requirements on a charge the only reviewable factor is if the play occurs in the restricted area. You are correct that they could review for who committed the foul on the tripping call if there is uncertainty.
Such is life. Time for me to pay more attention to baseball/softball and the other sports coming up.