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CBS Sports had an article today about Arkansas's men's basketball and pointed out a unique statistic. The last time they made the Sweet 16 was 1996. 99 teams have made the Sweet 16 since then.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basket...hogs-year/

Here's a full list of all of the schools!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1...edit#gid=0

Just for fun, I will try to point them out by most recent Sweet 16:

2019 (16): Auburn, Duke, Florida State, Gonzaga, Houston, Kentucky, LSU, Michigan, Michigan State, North Carolina, Oregon, Purdue, Tennessee, Texas Tech, Virginia, Virginia Tech

2018 (9): Clemson, Kansas, Kansas State, Loyola Chicago, Nevada, Syracuse, Texas A&M, Villanova, West Virginia

2017 (8): Arizona, Baylor, Butler, Florida, South Carolina, UCLA, Wisconsin, Xavier

2016 (6): Indiana, Iowa State, Maryland, Miami Florida, Notre Dame, Oklahoma

2015 (4): Louisville (surprising it's been that long), NC State, Utah, Wichita State

2014 (4): Connecticut, Dayton, San Diego State, Stanford

2013 (4): Florida Gulf Coast???, LaSalle???, Marquette, Ohio State (also surprising)

2012 (2): Cincinnati (also surprising), Ohio U

2011 (3): BYU, Richmond, VCU (Good year for the city of Richmond)

2010 (4): Cornell???, Northern Iowa, St. Mary's, Washington

2009 (3): Memphis, Missouri, Pittsburgh

2008 (4): Davidson (Steph Curry), Texas (It's been THAT long??), Washington State??? (forget Cornell and Florida Gulf Coast, how did Wazzou make the Sweet 16???), Western Kentucky

2007 (5): Georgetown, Southern Illinois, UNLV, USC, Vanderbilt

2006 (3): Boston College, Bradley (The "Brad Pitt Game!"), George Mason

2005 (3): Illinois (Yep, it's been THAT long!), Milwaukee (Illinois played Milwaukee in the Sweet 16), Oklahoma State

2004 (5): Alabama, Georgia Tech (The national runner up year), St. Joseph's (Jameer Nelson), UAB, Wake Forest

2002 (1): Kent State

2001 (3): Mississippi, Penn State (They beat North Carolina!), Temple

2000 (2): Seton Hall, Tulsa (They were coached by Bill Self, the year before he came to Illinois, and many of you are shocked to hear he actually coached at Illinois)

1999 (4): Iowa, Miami Ohio (Wally Szczerbiak), Missouri State, St. John's

1998 (2): Rhode Island, Valparaiso (Bryce Drew)

1997 (4): California, Chattanooga (Beat my Illini to get there:( ), Minnesota, Providence

Some fairly surprising droughts, most notably among Big East and AAC schools. Quite a few Big Ten schools haven't gotten to the Sweet 16 recently as well.

Now the P5 schools that have droughts as long as or longer than Arkansas...

ACC: None!

Big East: DePaul (1987), Creighton (1974!! Sweet 16's before 1985, they had to win one game to get there!)

Big 10: Rutgers (1979, one win), Northwestern and Nebraska (Never!)

Big 12: TCU (1968 - You know they got to the Sweet 16? They were given a bye to the Sweet 16!)

Pac 12: Arizona State (1995), Oregon State (1982, one win), Colorado (1969, bye)

SEC: Georgia (1996), Mississippi State (1996)

How did the Big Ten wind up with the two worst P6 basketball teams in the country??? At least Rutgers made a Sweet 16 once!

history for Missouri Valley Conference teams for teams that have not made the sweet 16 recently.

Indiana State has only made the sweet 16 once since moving to Division I, in 1979, the year Larry Bird led them to the NCAA national championship game.

Drake made the NCAA elite 8 for 3 years in a row in 1969, 1970, 1971. And has not won a single NCAA tourney game since then.

Evansville was division II NCAA champions 5 times before moving up to division I. But has never made it past the round of 32 in the NCAA division I tourney.

Illinois State has made to the NCAA tourney 6 times but has never made it past the round of 32.

(03-05-2021 07:36 AM)schmolik Wrote: [ -> ]CBS Sports had an article today about Arkansas's men's basketball and pointed out a unique statistic. The last time they made the Sweet 16 was 1996. 99 teams have made the Sweet 16 since then.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basket...hogs-year/

Here's a full list of all of the schools!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1...edit#gid=0

Just for fun, I will try to point them out by most recent Sweet 16:

2019 (16): Auburn, Duke, Florida State, Gonzaga, Houston, Kentucky, LSU, Michigan, Michigan State, North Carolina, Oregon, Purdue, Tennessee, Texas Tech, Virginia, Virginia Tech

2018 (9): Clemson, Kansas, Kansas State, Loyola Chicago, Nevada, Syracuse, Texas A&M, Villanova, West Virginia

2017 (8): Arizona, Baylor, Butler, Florida, South Carolina, UCLA, Wisconsin, Xavier

2016 (6): Indiana, Iowa State, Maryland, Miami Florida, Notre Dame, Oklahoma

2015 (4): Louisville (surprising it's been that long), NC State, Utah, Wichita State

2014 (4): Connecticut, Dayton, San Diego State, Stanford

2013 (4): Florida Gulf Coast???, LaSalle???, Marquette, Ohio State (also surprising)

2012 (2): Cincinnati (also surprising), Ohio U

2011 (3): BYU, Richmond, VCU (Good year for the city of Richmond)

2010 (4): Cornell???, Northern Iowa, St. Mary's, Washington

2009 (3): Memphis, Missouri, Pittsburgh

2008 (4): Davidson (Steph Curry), Texas (It's been THAT long??), Washington State??? (forget Cornell and Florida Gulf Coast, how did Wazzou make the Sweet 16???), Western Kentucky

2007 (5): Georgetown, Southern Illinois, UNLV, USC, Vanderbilt

2006 (3): Boston College, Bradley (The "Brad Pitt Game!"), George Mason

2005 (3): Illinois (Yep, it's been THAT long!), Milwaukee (Illinois played Milwaukee in the Sweet 16), Oklahoma State

2004 (5): Alabama, Georgia Tech (The national runner up year), St. Joseph's (Jameer Nelson), UAB, Wake Forest

2002 (1): Kent State

2001 (3): Mississippi, Penn State (They beat North Carolina!), Temple

2000 (2): Seton Hall, Tulsa (They were coached by Bill Self, the year before he came to Illinois, and many of you are shocked to hear he actually coached at Illinois)

1999 (4): Iowa, Miami Ohio (Wally Szczerbiak), Missouri State, St. John's

1998 (2): Rhode Island, Valparaiso (Bryce Drew)

1997 (4): California, Chattanooga (Beat my Illini to get there:( ), Minnesota, Providence

Some fairly surprising droughts, most notably among Big East and AAC schools. Quite a few Big Ten schools haven't gotten to the Sweet 16 recently as well.

Now the P5 schools that have droughts as long as or longer than Arkansas...

ACC: None!

Big East: DePaul (1987), Creighton (1974!! Sweet 16's before 1985, they had to win one game to get there!)

Big 10: Rutgers (1979, one win), Northwestern and Nebraska (Never!)

Big 12: TCU (1968 - You know they got to the Sweet 16? They were given a bye to the Sweet 16!)

Pac 12: Arizona State (1995), Oregon State (1982, one win), Colorado (1969, bye)

SEC: Georgia (1996), Mississippi State (1996)

How did the Big Ten wind up with the two worst P6 basketball teams in the country??? At least Rutgers made a Sweet 16 once!

Fascinating info, schmolik. For the Big Ten, Northwestern and Nebraska having never made a Sweet 16 ... ouch.

Good find.

I’m amazed by DePaul. I never lived in the Midwest, but my recollection is Mark Aguirre, Terry Cummings and Ray Meyers...a powerhouse in the late 70s and early 80s. Forty years later, they haven’t had more success.

(03-05-2021 08:57 AM)Wahoowa84 Wrote: [ -> ]I’m amazed by DePaul. I never lived in the Midwest, but my recollection is Mark Aguirre, Terry Cummings and Ray Meyers...a powerhouse in the late 70s and early 80s. Forty years later, they haven’t had more success.

Just shows what bad leadership, administration and coaching can do to a high-level program.

Its even worse than that for Nebraska and Northwestern.

Nebraska is the only major power program to have never won a single NCAA tourney game.

Northwestern had never even made it to the NCAA tourney until 2017 for their first and only appearance. But at least that 1 time they did win 1 game to make it to the round of 32.

Rice - 1954
Of course, it was only a sixteen team field at that point...

Fun fact: Rice has more losses in the tournament than appearances, 2-5 in four appearances.

(03-05-2021 09:04 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-05-2021 08:57 AM)Wahoowa84 Wrote: [ -> ]I’m amazed by DePaul. I never lived in the Midwest, but my recollection is Mark Aguirre, Terry Cummings and Ray Meyers...a powerhouse in the late 70s and early 80s. Forty years later, they haven’t had more success.

Just shows what bad leadership, administration and coaching can do to a high-level program.

Yes, but it's also indicative about how long success can last in the public mind. I think that when most college sports fans, especially those of the middle-age cohort, hear "DePaul", we instantly think of a "basketball school", because the success they had in that window during the late 70s to early 80s still resonates, 40 years later.

(03-05-2021 07:36 AM)schmolik Wrote: [ -> ]CBS Sports had an article today about Arkansas's men's basketball and pointed out a unique statistic. The last time they made the Sweet 16 was 1996. 99 teams have made the Sweet 16 since then.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basket...hogs-year/

Here's a full list of all of the schools!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1...edit#gid=0

Just for fun, I will try to point them out by most recent Sweet 16:

2019 (16): Auburn, Duke, Florida State, Gonzaga, Houston, Kentucky, LSU, Michigan, Michigan State, North Carolina, Oregon, Purdue, Tennessee, Texas Tech, Virginia, Virginia Tech

2018 (9): Clemson, Kansas, Kansas State, Loyola Chicago, Nevada, Syracuse, Texas A&M, Villanova, West Virginia

2017 (8): Arizona, Baylor, Butler, Florida, South Carolina, UCLA, Wisconsin, Xavier

2016 (6): Indiana, Iowa State, Maryland, Miami Florida, Notre Dame, Oklahoma

2015 (4): Louisville (surprising it's been that long), NC State, Utah, Wichita State

2014 (4): Connecticut, Dayton, San Diego State, Stanford

2013 (4): Florida Gulf Coast???, LaSalle???, Marquette, Ohio State (also surprising)

2012 (2): Cincinnati (also surprising), Ohio U

2011 (3): BYU, Richmond, VCU (Good year for the city of Richmond)

2010 (4): Cornell???, Northern Iowa, St. Mary's, Washington

2009 (3): Memphis, Missouri, Pittsburgh

2008 (4): Davidson (Steph Curry), Texas (It's been THAT long??), Washington State??? (forget Cornell and Florida Gulf Coast, how did Wazzou make the Sweet 16???), Western Kentucky

2007 (5): Georgetown, Southern Illinois, UNLV, USC, Vanderbilt

2006 (3): Boston College, Bradley (The "Brad Pitt Game!"), George Mason

2005 (3): Illinois (Yep, it's been THAT long!), Milwaukee (Illinois played Milwaukee in the Sweet 16), Oklahoma State

2004 (5): Alabama, Georgia Tech (The national runner up year), St. Joseph's (Jameer Nelson), UAB, Wake Forest

2002 (1): Kent State

2001 (3): Mississippi, Penn State (They beat North Carolina!), Temple

2000 (2): Seton Hall, Tulsa (They were coached by Bill Self, the year before he came to Illinois, and many of you are shocked to hear he actually coached at Illinois)

1999 (4): Iowa, Miami Ohio (Wally Szczerbiak), Missouri State, St. John's

1998 (2): Rhode Island, Valparaiso (Bryce Drew)

1997 (4): California, Chattanooga (Beat my Illini to get there:( ), Minnesota, Providence

Some fairly surprising droughts, most notably among Big East and AAC schools. Quite a few Big Ten schools haven't gotten to the Sweet 16 recently as well.

Now the P5 schools that have droughts as long as or longer than Arkansas...

ACC: None!

Big East: DePaul (1987), Creighton (1974!! Sweet 16's before 1985, they had to win one game to get there!)

Big 10: Rutgers (1979, one win), Northwestern and Nebraska (Never!)

Big 12: TCU (1968 - You know they got to the Sweet 16? They were given a bye to the Sweet 16!)

Pac 12: Arizona State (1995), Oregon State (1982, one win), Colorado (1969, bye)

SEC: Georgia (1996), Mississippi State (1996)

How did the Big Ten wind up with the two worst P6 basketball teams in the country??? At least Rutgers made a Sweet 16 once!

Yes, Cornell. 7 of the top 8 guys were seniors. 3 time Ivy League champs. Went 29-5, Went in as a 12 seed and beat Temple and Wisconsin in Jacksonville before being out classed by a longer, faster, and more athletic Kentucky team that had John Wall, Boogie Cousins, Eric Bledsoe , amongst others. As someone that grew up watching the Cornell teams of the 80's playing in a half full Barton Hall, you knew this was a once in a lifetime thing.

(03-05-2021 09:13 AM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-05-2021 09:04 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-05-2021 08:57 AM)Wahoowa84 Wrote: [ -> ]I’m amazed by DePaul. I never lived in the Midwest, but my recollection is Mark Aguirre, Terry Cummings and Ray Meyers...a powerhouse in the late 70s and early 80s. Forty years later, they haven’t had more success.

Just shows what bad leadership, administration and coaching can do to a high-level program.

Yes, but it's also indicative about how long success can last in the public mind. I think that when most college sports fans, especially those of the middle-age cohort, hear "DePaul", we instantly think of a "basketball school", because the success they had in that window during the late 70s to early 80s still resonates, 40 years later.

You have to really be old to think that. I'm 47 and I faintly remember Ray Meyer. The first national championship game I remember watching live was Jim Valvano's NC State team taking down Houston in 1983. I just missed Michael Jordan's shot by a year.

(03-05-2021 07:36 AM)schmolik Wrote: [ -> ]How did the Big Ten wind up with the two worst P6 basketball teams in the country??? At least Rutgers made a Sweet 16 once!

Penn State's lack of basketball success would be more noticeable if they didn't share a conference with the P5 teams with the longest NCAA Tournament appearance drought (Rutgers – for now), fewest tournament wins (Nebraska), and fewest appearances (Northwestern).

(03-05-2021 09:19 AM)schmolik Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-05-2021 09:13 AM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-05-2021 09:04 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-05-2021 08:57 AM)Wahoowa84 Wrote: [ -> ]I’m amazed by DePaul. I never lived in the Midwest, but my recollection is Mark Aguirre, Terry Cummings and Ray Meyers...a powerhouse in the late 70s and early 80s. Forty years later, they haven’t had more success.

Just shows what bad leadership, administration and coaching can do to a high-level program.

Yes, but it's also indicative about how long success can last in the public mind. I think that when most college sports fans, especially those of the middle-age cohort, hear "DePaul", we instantly think of a "basketball school", because the success they had in that window during the late 70s to early 80s still resonates, 40 years later.

You have to really be old to think that. I'm 47 and I faintly remember Ray Meyer. The first national championship game I remember watching live was Jim Valvano's NC State team taking down Houston in 1983. I just missed Michael Jordan's shot by a year.

I'm 54. I was young, but I remember DePaul's heyday with Ray Meyer, Mark Aguirre, Terry Cummings & company. It coincides with the Bird/Magic era and the last years NBC televised the tournament. DePaul lost to Bird & Indiana State in the 1979 Final Four. In 1981, DePaul was the #1 seed in the tournament and lost their second round game to St. Joseph's.

Those were the early days of WGN as a superstation. WGN would televise their home games first from Alumni Hall, then later as they moved to the Rosemont Horizon.

DePaul has mostly blown chunks since they fired Joey Meyer, but there are still people that remember when they were good.

(03-05-2021 08:57 AM)Wahoowa84 Wrote: [ -> ]I’m amazed by DePaul. I never lived in the Midwest, but my recollection is Mark Aguirre, Terry Cummings and Ray Meyers...a powerhouse in the late 70s and early 80s. Forty years later, they haven’t had more success.

I am 63 and fondly remember the independent days of ND basketball in the Seventies, when Billy Packer, Dick Enberg and Al Maguire would call nationally televised games on NBC against DePaul, Marquette, UCLA and Kentucky.

Mark Aguirre versus John Shumate.

Digger Phelps versus Ray Meyer. Classic games.

(03-05-2021 07:36 AM)schmolik Wrote: [ -> ]CBS Sports had an article today about Arkansas's men's basketball and pointed out a unique statistic. The last time they made the Sweet 16 was 1996. 99 teams have made the Sweet 16 since then.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basket...hogs-year/

Here's a full list of all of the schools!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1...edit#gid=0

Just for fun, I will try to point them out by most recent Sweet 16:

2019 (16): Auburn, Duke, Florida State, Gonzaga, Houston, Kentucky, LSU, Michigan, Michigan State, North Carolina, Oregon, Purdue, Tennessee, Texas Tech, Virginia, Virginia Tech

2018 (9): Clemson, Kansas, Kansas State, Loyola Chicago, Nevada, Syracuse, Texas A&M, Villanova, West Virginia

2017 (8): Arizona, Baylor, Butler, Florida, South Carolina, UCLA, Wisconsin, Xavier

2016 (6): Indiana, Iowa State, Maryland, Miami Florida, Notre Dame, Oklahoma

2015 (4): Louisville (surprising it's been that long), NC State, Utah, Wichita State

2014 (4): Connecticut, Dayton, San Diego State, Stanford

2013 (4): Florida Gulf Coast???, LaSalle???, Marquette, Ohio State (also surprising)

2012 (2): Cincinnati (also surprising), Ohio U

2011 (3): BYU, Richmond, VCU (Good year for the city of Richmond)

2010 (4): Cornell???, Northern Iowa, St. Mary's, Washington

2009 (3): Memphis, Missouri, Pittsburgh

2008 (4): Davidson (Steph Curry), Texas (It's been THAT long??), Washington State??? (forget Cornell and Florida Gulf Coast, how did Wazzou make the Sweet 16???), Western Kentucky

2007 (5): Georgetown, Southern Illinois, UNLV, USC, Vanderbilt

2006 (3): Boston College, Bradley (The "Brad Pitt Game!"), George Mason

2005 (3): Illinois (Yep, it's been THAT long!), Milwaukee (Illinois played Milwaukee in the Sweet 16), Oklahoma State

2004 (5): Alabama, Georgia Tech (The national runner up year), St. Joseph's (Jameer Nelson), UAB, Wake Forest

2002 (1): Kent State

2001 (3): Mississippi, Penn State (They beat North Carolina!), Temple

2000 (2): Seton Hall, Tulsa (They were coached by Bill Self, the year before he came to Illinois, and many of you are shocked to hear he actually coached at Illinois)

1999 (4): Iowa, Miami Ohio (Wally Szczerbiak), Missouri State, St. John's

1998 (2): Rhode Island, Valparaiso (Bryce Drew)

1997 (4): California, Chattanooga (Beat my Illini to get there:( ), Minnesota, Providence

Some fairly surprising droughts, most notably among Big East and AAC schools. Quite a few Big Ten schools haven't gotten to the Sweet 16 recently as well.

Now the P5 schools that have droughts as long as or longer than Arkansas...

ACC: None!

Big East: DePaul (1987), Creighton (1974!! Sweet 16's before 1985, they had to win one game to get there!)

Big 10: Rutgers (1979, one win), Northwestern and Nebraska (Never!)

Big 12: TCU (1968 - You know they got to the Sweet 16? They were given a bye to the Sweet 16!)

Pac 12: Arizona State (1995), Oregon State (1982, one win), Colorado (1969, bye)

SEC: Georgia (1996), Mississippi State (1996)

How did the Big Ten wind up with the two worst P6 basketball teams in the country??? At least Rutgers made a Sweet 16 once!

Note that Big 12 losses were addition by subtraction in basketball. Nebraska and Colorado were two of the bottom P5 basketball teams. A&M was down near the bottom and Missouri was alright during the regular season but always underachieved in the tourney.

(03-05-2021 08:57 AM)Wahoowa84 Wrote: [ -> ]I’m amazed by DePaul. I never lived in the Midwest, but my recollection is Mark Aguirre, Terry Cummings and Ray Meyers...a powerhouse in the late 70s and early 80s. Forty years later, they haven’t had more success.

Big East hurt several programs like DePaul. Too many high level programs.

St Johns and DePaul had a big advantage in the 70s and 80s with recruiting in that being urban schools they did not have campus housing so they could pay their scholarship athletes the cost of housing in cash. This is how St. Johns was able to get great NYC recruits. Since St. Johns and DePaul built housing they could no longer pay the athletes the cost of housing and Im not sure that rule still exists.

I was very young but remember watching the ND and DePaul BB games on National TV.

Georgetown's sweet 16 drought is surprising to me

(03-05-2021 10:27 AM)bullet Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-05-2021 08:57 AM)Wahoowa84 Wrote: [ -> ]I’m amazed by DePaul. I never lived in the Midwest, but my recollection is Mark Aguirre, Terry Cummings and Ray Meyers...a powerhouse in the late 70s and early 80s. Forty years later, they haven’t had more success.

Big East hurt several programs like DePaul. Too many high level programs.

Funny. When I was in grade school, I loved the game of Ernie DiGregorio from Providence. But then Providence later joins the Big East and they’ve never been able to keep up with all the other powers in the Big East. These power conferences actually do attract schools that are committed to athletics...but it also results in a lot of these schools’ athletics being considered mediocre.

(03-05-2021 09:09 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote: [ -> ]Rice - 1954
Of course, it was only a sixteen team field at that point...

Fun fact: Rice has more losses in the tournament than appearances, 2-5 in four appearances.

I'm going to need an explanation on that Fun Fact. :)

(03-05-2021 10:47 AM)Wahoowa84 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-05-2021 10:27 AM)bullet Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-05-2021 08:57 AM)Wahoowa84 Wrote: [ -> ]I’m amazed by DePaul. I never lived in the Midwest, but my recollection is Mark Aguirre, Terry Cummings and Ray Meyers...a powerhouse in the late 70s and early 80s. Forty years later, they haven’t had more success.

Big East hurt several programs like DePaul. Too many high level programs.

Funny. When I was in grade school, I loved the game of Ernie DiGregorio from Providence. But then Providence later joins the Big East and they’ve never been able to keep up with all the other powers in the Big East. These power conferences actually do attract schools that are committed to athletics...but it also results in a lot of these schools’ athletics being considered mediocre.

I remember watching Providence as a mainstay at the Holiday Festival played at Madison Square Garden every year. They had some studs in the 60's and 70's, including John Thompson, Jimmy Walker and Marvin Barnes.

(03-05-2021 11:22 AM)Crayton Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-05-2021 09:09 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote: [ -> ]Rice - 1954
Of course, it was only a sixteen team field at that point...

Fun fact: Rice has more losses in the tournament than appearances, 2-5 in four appearances.

I'm going to need an explanation on that Fun Fact. :)

Up until at least the late 1970s the Regionals had a third place game. The Owls went 0-2 one year.