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Once again, the CAA and its clueless commissioner Joey D have failed miserably. We only played 56% of our scheduled games this season, the worst by a ton. The national average was 30% higher. This is what happens when you have a weak commissioner that leaves the scheduling decisions up to the individual schools. Lack of expansion. Pathetic TV/streaming deal with Flo. No annual CAA-A10 challenge. No vision. Nothing. We should have left this joke of a conference years ago. A10 would be ideal, but frankly the SoCon or even the Patriot would be preferable to this tire fire of a league. Eventually JMU will leave the CAA for a FBS conference. What is the contingency plan for the CAA when that happens? Get out while we still can.
Ok, I’ll bite. I think the SoCon would be a good fit. In the event of a CAA collapse we could drag Elon and Charleston back with us. Richmond could follow as an associate member for football.
(03-03-2021 09:27 PM)Tribester Wrote: [ -> ]Once again, the CAA and its clueless commissioner Joey D have failed miserably. We only played 56% of our scheduled games this season, the worst by a ton. The national average was 30% higher. This is what happens when you have a weak commissioner that leaves the scheduling decisions up to the individual schools. Lack of expansion. Pathetic TV/streaming deal with Flo. No annual CAA-A10 challenge. No vision. Nothing. We should have left this joke of a conference years ago. A10 would be ideal, but frankly the SoCon or even the Patriot would be preferable to this tire fire of a league. Eventually JMU will leave the CAA for a FBS conference. What is the contingency plan for the CAA when that happens? Get out while we still can.

The Big South (11 members for hoops) planned to have 20 conference games for each team. The average accomplished was 17.5 games per team. The CAA average was 10 games out of 18 scheduled.

Some of the problem stemmed from the CAA schools voting to have the individual schools doing their own scheduling, and many schools showing reluctance to make deals with other schools to play when their original "partner" for the week had COVID issues.

I don't see the SoCon being interested in members who don't participate in both basketball and football. Current 10 schools all have football. Not much incentive for them to add schools. Neither the Patriot nor the SoCon are a great geographic fit for the Tribe.
The SoCon would be a nice step up in basketball from what the CAA has become, but we're an even worse cultural fit with most of those schools than we are in the CAA. The Patriot continues to be a good fit - that's a conference we should consistently finish near the top of in basketball and we should be able to win it once or twice a decades, it's a better cultural fit than the current CAA, and it's one of the most stable leagues out there (80% of full current members have been in it for at least 20 years, and I don't think they've ever lost any core members). Football would be a step down, but we could continue the UR rivalry out of conference and I wonder if there'd be a shot of bringing a Delaware or Towson along with us. Shame we couldn't just keep playing football in the CAA as the football side of the conference is basically completely separate anyway, but doubt they'd allow us to do that.

But the Patriot remains a move we should make.

The A-10 isn't a serious suggestion.
I'd much prefer that we play in a conference that supports all of our sports. I would also prefer to play farther south than north. Any discussion on whether the schools are a peer academically doesn't do much for me. This is sports, not rhetorical studies or the quiz bowl.

Patriot would be a step down in every way.
(03-04-2021 01:00 PM)Tribe32 Wrote: [ -> ]I'd much prefer that we play in a conference that supports all of our sports. I would also prefer to play farther south than north. Any discussion on whether the schools are a peer academically doesn't do much for me. This is sports, not rhetorical studies or the quiz bowl.

Patriot would be a step down in every way.

I mostly agree. I would consider the SoCon to be significantly better as a conference for us than the Patriot.

I would much rather see a new conference than either however.

Would like to think that the A10 as the preferred option, but as of today it is out of reach, and moving away.
A new conference would be ideal. I think there are enough schools that have been suckered into the big time football dream who would be good rivals long term including ECU and ODU. Maybe teams like Charlotte or Coastal Carolina. I'd rather play them than Hofstra, Northeastern, or Maine
Why we would chastise a league that includes UR, JMU, Delaware and Villanova is a mystery to me. A few more losses to Elon, we could add them to the conversation as well. There is no other option out there that is a better fit except the ACC and that ship sailed long ago.

I agree the Patriot would be an option if the current CAA rivals fluttered off though we really don’t have any baked in rivals. Most are northeastern private schools.
A-10 would be amazing, but its not happening until we have a few appearances in the dance.

For the CAA, its the commish that needs to go. Agree that as long as we have UR, JMU, Delaware and Nova, we are ok. ODU and ECU arent ready to drop back down for another decade+
For what it's worth, on the Solid Verbal Podcast Matt Brown was talking about the future of TV deals and mentioned briefly the CAA's deal with Flo. Paraphrasing, the CAA signed with Flo because it was for more money than they would have gotten from anyone else, and as a result annoyed the fanbases.
Yup. And the promised TV exposure. Which we didn’t pay for this year. The CBSSN deal is up after this year. Even if we just have a single game a week on ESPNews or ESPNU, and they throw the semis and championship on one of the ESPN nets with everything else on Flo, that would be way better than this season.

Even FS1/FS2 would be better. They basically have no mid-major product other than the Mountain West.

Then you could put the big time games in the league on one of the major ESPN networks. CofC is hosting North Carolina next season. That should be at least ESPNU caliber.

The women don’t even get the tourney on TV. All Flo to the finals.
The biggest concern with the CAA is that JMU is likely not long for the league, and Delaware may not be either. Then you're down to UR and Villanova, which are both football only anyway and we could easily maintain yearly rivalries with if we were in the Patriot (we'd need stronger out of conference games).

Patriot is far from a perfect solution, but short of creating a new conference (which would be great, but I don't see us having much clout to do that and is probably a long shot) it's probably the best option we have if/when JMU and Delaware leave.
(03-05-2021 09:52 AM)Tribe2011 Wrote: [ -> ]The biggest concern with the CAA is that JMU is likely not long for the league, and Delaware may not be either. Then you're down to UR and Villanova, which are both football only anyway and we could easily maintain yearly rivalries with if we were in the Patriot (we'd need stronger out of conference games).

Patriot is far from a perfect solution, but short of creating a new conference (which would be great, but I don't see us having much clout to do that and is probably a long shot) it's probably the best option we have if/when JMU and Delaware leave.

The question that i would like to see addressed is, should we be proactive in helping to form a new conference better aligned than the CAA for W&M athletics or milk the CAA as long as possible and being reactive to the situation at that point.
Just saw we have volleyball playing their match with masks on! Give me a freaking break. This league is Covid crazy...almost Ivy League level of crazy. Why doesn’t basketball wear masks during their games?
I don’t think Joe has even been to a game all season. At all. The first time we’ll see him out of the office is this tournament. His last original tweet was New Year’s Eve.
The CAA isn't a joke and W&M isn't going to another conference. Same ramped up hysterical conversation we've had since April 2003 in the old CAAzone days. Commissioner Joe is awful and needs to go, but the CAA is a great conference for us.



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I think most small conferences are kind of a joke. With a few exceptions, teams are always going to be looking for better/other options, the CAA works well enough for now, but it's got plenty of flaws. I think it's the best realistic option we have on the table.

Some new mid atlantic conference from like the Carolinas through PA/NJ would be my ideal scenario, but that's not gonna happen. And honestly it winds up looking like the CAA with a few member swaps

- W&M
- JMU
- Delaware
- Towson
- Stony Brook
- UNCW
- CoC
- Monmouth/Hofstra (I like having a NJ/NY presence, Monmouth has football and a very nice basketball arena)
- Howard
- Hampton/Elon
- Villanova (Football only)
- Richmond (Football only)
(03-05-2021 10:11 AM)Tribester Wrote: [ -> ]Just saw we have volleyball playing their match with masks on! Give me a freaking break. This league is Covid crazy...almost Ivy League level of crazy. Why doesn’t basketball wear masks during their games?

Many high school teams including football are playing with masks. I think it has more to do with where you live than anything.
I coach youth sports and we have to play/coach with masks. I honestly don't think it's too bad, though that opinion might change once it's 85* and sunny outside. Not ideal, but if the options are masks vs no sports, I'll wear the mask.
(03-05-2021 10:11 AM)Tribester Wrote: [ -> ]Just saw we have volleyball playing their match with masks on! Give me a freaking break. This league is Covid crazy...almost Ivy League level of crazy. Why doesn’t basketball wear masks during their games?

Does volleyball have the same isolation policies that basketball does? My assumption is that when things are different it's because the things surrounding the things are different.
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