(03-08-2021 06:26 PM)82hawk Wrote: [ -> ] (03-08-2021 06:18 PM)B_Hawk06 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2021 07:18 AM)82hawk Wrote: [ -> ]Sounds to me like you can join CG and become a fan of another CAA team. Have fun.
Wow. Really?
TF did I say here to warrant you trying to trash on me in your attempted snark with Hoops?
LMAO. C’mon man.
I’m just gonna take it as a compliment that y’all can’t ever stop thinking about me.
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Well anyways, here we are. With a shredded roster. At least we have a crap ton of schollies open now, eh?! Wooooooooo!! Who’s pumped for year two baby!!!!!!
Maybe UNCW can auction off Pridgeon’s game worn shorts to help convince one of our seniors or equipment managers to stick around and play some games next year. Hell, I bet those game worn shorts will fit my 11 year old like a glove!
Anyways. I’m not sure what’s in worse shape right now. UNCW basketball or Flo Sports.
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It was a fun dig at you, nothing serious. 
Then sir, I say well played and thanks (as always) for thinking of me.
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Lol trying to bash Joe 82. You will go to no ends too walk the plank with him. 6 months ago Joe P was the second coming and now you try to belittle him to make coach look better? Joe p was PERFECT coach coaches system because he could get to the hoop at 6’5 and could also rebound with the trees. We are not competitive this year without him offsetting some of the lack of size. Losing Joe and Boggs are major set backs no matter how much you try to spin it.(honestly can’t believe you are trying) Today was a huge blow and cost him two key pieces of his rebuild
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We've lost at least 5 players from the team at the start of the season. We can guess why Boggs, Tolefree and Dodd left, but Pridgen and Steere were Siddle's recruits. As much of a pass as I wanted to give him this year, he's burned alarmingly fast. I think it's fair to give a coach 2-3 years to put 'his' team on the floor, but losing half the roster in a years time is frustrating and concerning.
(03-08-2021 06:23 PM)B_Hawk06 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-08-2021 06:14 PM)82hawk Wrote: [ -> ]Siddle obviously has an expectation of players and a way he is going to coach. He refused to put players on the floor because he needed bodies. He ran five guards rather than do that. That may have cost us Boggs, but i'm not ready to declare next year as lost.
There’s a fine line between stubborn and stupid. I think there’s a Remember the Titans quote about that. I don’t feel like google searching it.
Suffice it to say, Siddle went ride or die with his system. At this point, it appears three of his four tires are flat and he was too stubborn to pay for AAA. Now he’s on a desolate road in the middle of nowhere and he better pray he has the knowledge to get this **** fixed.
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We will see. Remains to be seen who will be on the roster next year. Like I said, we'll see just how good a recruiter he is. If he's a good one, he can build this roster exactly like he wants. If nobody else leaves, here's where we are.
Returning:
Phillips(PG), Okauru(2), Harvey(3), Sims(4). Pretty much know what these guys bring to the table, and that's not a bad starting four, minus a center.
Incoming:
6'8" McGriff(5) - Can't be worse than we've had. Shot blocker with some energy.
6'5" White (G) - no idea, can't find much on hime
6'4" McCracken(G) - Looks pretty damned good. He had a 31 point, 21 rebound game and scored 43 points in a game this year, going 8-11 from three.
6'0 185lb Thomas(PG) - Also looks pretty damned good. Just won a state championship and is crazy aggressive.
That's 8 players on the roster with four available scholarships to go after two more big men and two guards.
I get that this "looks" bad, but I don't see this as a sky is falling situation. In fact, it may be addiition by subtraction. Now that i've taken some time to do research, i'm actually feeling pretty good about next year.
The recruits have talent and will play, some a whole bunch. Thomas teammate would be a really good fit given needs. And, could be a 4 man with skill set. I would go after him and get 2 more true bigs with some girth.
Perimeter shooting is crucial so hopefully McCracken, White and Thomas bring that to the party. We need McGriff to be an athletic big guy that can block some shots, rim run, and board. He may not be a true 5 with girth,but could do it or play alongside another bigger guy depending on offensive skill set.
(03-08-2021 02:32 PM)solohawks Wrote: [ -> ]Big fan of Boggs. That's a shame
I am a big fan of Boggs transferring out of this system. He has a chance to be really good and it will not happen at UNCW.
(03-08-2021 07:22 PM)82hawk Wrote: [ -> ] (03-08-2021 06:23 PM)B_Hawk06 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-08-2021 06:14 PM)82hawk Wrote: [ -> ]Siddle obviously has an expectation of players and a way he is going to coach. He refused to put players on the floor because he needed bodies. He ran five guards rather than do that. That may have cost us Boggs, but i'm not ready to declare next year as lost.
There’s a fine line between stubborn and stupid. I think there’s a Remember the Titans quote about that. I don’t feel like google searching it.
Suffice it to say, Siddle went ride or die with his system. At this point, it appears three of his four tires are flat and he was too stubborn to pay for AAA. Now he’s on a desolate road in the middle of nowhere and he better pray he has the knowledge to get this **** fixed.
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We will see. Remains to be seen who will be on the roster next year. Like I said, we'll see just how good a recruiter he is. If he's a good one, he can build this roster exactly like he wants. If nobody else leaves, here's where we are.
Returning:
Phillips(PG), Okauru(2), Harvey(3), Sims(4). Pretty much know what these guys bring to the table, and that's not a bad starting four, minus a center.
Incoming:
6'8" McGriff(5) - Can't be worse than we've had. Shot blocker with some energy.
6'5" White (G) - no idea, can't find much on hime
6'4" McCracken(G) - Looks pretty damned good. He had a 31 point, 21 rebound game and scored 43 points in a game this year, going 8-11 from three.
6'0 185lb Thomas(PG) - Also looks pretty damned good. Just won a state championship and is crazy aggressive.
That's 8 players on the roster with four available scholarships to go after two more big men and two guards.
I get that this "looks" bad, but I don't see this as a sky is falling situation. In fact, it may be addiition by subtraction. Now that i've taken some time to do research, i'm actually feeling pretty good about next year.
You show me a replacement capable of averaging 20ppg at D1 level, or a 6’7 Versatile player that can shoot lights out, I’ll give you addition by subtraction. It looks bad because it IS bad. We lost two guys that were almost certain to be in the starting 5 next year. Why should we be so confident in his recruits? Pridgen, gone. Steere, gone, Carr- never played a single game. Harvey, was solid. So he’s batting 25% on HIS guys. Just a blind leap of faith to think that he’s going to hit home runs on all the guys he has coming in? Yikes....
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(03-08-2021 07:41 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: [ -> ] (03-08-2021 07:22 PM)82hawk Wrote: [ -> ] (03-08-2021 06:23 PM)B_Hawk06 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-08-2021 06:14 PM)82hawk Wrote: [ -> ]Siddle obviously has an expectation of players and a way he is going to coach. He refused to put players on the floor because he needed bodies. He ran five guards rather than do that. That may have cost us Boggs, but i'm not ready to declare next year as lost.
There’s a fine line between stubborn and stupid. I think there’s a Remember the Titans quote about that. I don’t feel like google searching it.
Suffice it to say, Siddle went ride or die with his system. At this point, it appears three of his four tires are flat and he was too stubborn to pay for AAA. Now he’s on a desolate road in the middle of nowhere and he better pray he has the knowledge to get this **** fixed.
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We will see. Remains to be seen who will be on the roster next year. Like I said, we'll see just how good a recruiter he is. If he's a good one, he can build this roster exactly like he wants. If nobody else leaves, here's where we are.
Returning:
Phillips(PG), Okauru(2), Harvey(3), Sims(4). Pretty much know what these guys bring to the table, and that's not a bad starting four, minus a center.
Incoming:
6'8" McGriff(5) - Can't be worse than we've had. Shot blocker with some energy.
6'5" White (G) - no idea, can't find much on hime
6'4" McCracken(G) - Looks pretty damned good. He had a 31 point, 21 rebound game and scored 43 points in a game this year, going 8-11 from three.
6'0 185lb Thomas(PG) - Also looks pretty damned good. Just won a state championship and is crazy aggressive.
That's 8 players on the roster with four available scholarships to go after two more big men and two guards.
I get that this "looks" bad, but I don't see this as a sky is falling situation. In fact, it may be addiition by subtraction. Now that i've taken some time to do research, i'm actually feeling pretty good about next year.
You show me a replacement capable of averaging 20ppg at D1 level, or a 6’7 Versatile player that can shoot lights out, I’ll give you addition by subtraction. It looks bad because it IS bad. We lost two guys that were almost certain to be in the starting 5 next year. Why should we be so confident in his recruits? Pridgen, gone. Steere, gone, Carr- never played a single game. Harvey, was solid. So he’s batting 25% on HIS guys. Just a blind leap of faith to think that he’s going to hit home runs on all the guys he has coming in? Yikes....
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I like what I see coming in.
I liked Boggs, i've said so. I liked Pridgen, i've said so. I didn't like Bowen, or Dodd, or Tolefree and all three were taking up scholarships that are now open. I see McGriff as an upgrade over Dodd or Bowen. Maybe he won't be, but how much worse could he be? Pridgen was really good, but he isn't the three point shooter Siddle wants in his system. To me, the big loss is Boggs, because he could play the four in a Siddle system. But looking at who we re returning, we already have our 1-4 guys that were all starters this year. We have four guys coming in who all look pretty good and four scholarships for new guys.
Sorry, I just don't see this as the end of the world for next year.
Kind of interesting to watch Elon beating up on Hofstra in the CAA tournament, right after we took Elon to the wire with a team manager filling out the roster.
(03-08-2021 07:51 PM)82hawk Wrote: [ -> ] (03-08-2021 07:41 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: [ -> ] (03-08-2021 07:22 PM)82hawk Wrote: [ -> ] (03-08-2021 06:23 PM)B_Hawk06 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-08-2021 06:14 PM)82hawk Wrote: [ -> ]Siddle obviously has an expectation of players and a way he is going to coach. He refused to put players on the floor because he needed bodies. He ran five guards rather than do that. That may have cost us Boggs, but i'm not ready to declare next year as lost.
There’s a fine line between stubborn and stupid. I think there’s a Remember the Titans quote about that. I don’t feel like google searching it.
Suffice it to say, Siddle went ride or die with his system. At this point, it appears three of his four tires are flat and he was too stubborn to pay for AAA. Now he’s on a desolate road in the middle of nowhere and he better pray he has the knowledge to get this **** fixed.
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We will see. Remains to be seen who will be on the roster next year. Like I said, we'll see just how good a recruiter he is. If he's a good one, he can build this roster exactly like he wants. If nobody else leaves, here's where we are.
Returning:
Phillips(PG), Okauru(2), Harvey(3), Sims(4). Pretty much know what these guys bring to the table, and that's not a bad starting four, minus a center.
Incoming:
6'8" McGriff(5) - Can't be worse than we've had. Shot blocker with some energy.
6'5" White (G) - no idea, can't find much on hime
6'4" McCracken(G) - Looks pretty damned good. He had a 31 point, 21 rebound game and scored 43 points in a game this year, going 8-11 from three.
6'0 185lb Thomas(PG) - Also looks pretty damned good. Just won a state championship and is crazy aggressive.
That's 8 players on the roster with four available scholarships to go after two more big men and two guards.
I get that this "looks" bad, but I don't see this as a sky is falling situation. In fact, it may be addiition by subtraction. Now that i've taken some time to do research, i'm actually feeling pretty good about next year.
You show me a replacement capable of averaging 20ppg at D1 level, or a 6’7 Versatile player that can shoot lights out, I’ll give you addition by subtraction. It looks bad because it IS bad. We lost two guys that were almost certain to be in the starting 5 next year. Why should we be so confident in his recruits? Pridgen, gone. Steere, gone, Carr- never played a single game. Harvey, was solid. So he’s batting 25% on HIS guys. Just a blind leap of faith to think that he’s going to hit home runs on all the guys he has coming in? Yikes....
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I like what I see coming in.
I liked Boggs, i've said so. I liked Pridgen, i've said so. I didn't like Bowen, or Dodd, or Tolefree and all three were taking up scholarships that are now open. I see McGriff as an upgrade over Dodd or Bowen. Maybe he won't be, but how much worse could he be? Pridgen was really good, but he isn't the three point shooter Siddle wants in his system. To me, the big loss is Boggs, because he could play the four in a Siddle system. But looking at who we re returning, we already have our 1-4 guys that were all starters this year. We have four guys coming in who all look pretty good and four scholarships for new guys.
Sorry, I just don't see this as the end of the world for next year.
He’s got some serious recruiting to do. He currently has 1 guy over 6’6 and it’s a freshman, and he lost his best undersized rebounder which also hurts in that system. Joe may have not been a great three point shooter but he was a great rebounder for his size which as you know is also something very important if you are going to roll small. Yes on paper what’s coming in does look good, but on paper it looked good last year too until 3 of 4 didn’t work out or left.
I’m really hoping that we didn’t hire the right guy at the wrong time. If he could have continued the same system Keatts had with the same guys, he’d have had the opportunity to miss a little and learn on the job. He doesn’t have that now. Today was bad even in his mind, he felt the need to put out a statement because of all the movement. In my time I’ve never seen a coach do that. Desperate times call for desperate measures. Training Wheels are off now and he’s about in a ditch !
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(03-08-2021 07:57 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: [ -> ] (03-08-2021 07:51 PM)82hawk Wrote: [ -> ] (03-08-2021 07:41 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: [ -> ] (03-08-2021 07:22 PM)82hawk Wrote: [ -> ] (03-08-2021 06:23 PM)B_Hawk06 Wrote: [ -> ]There’s a fine line between stubborn and stupid. I think there’s a Remember the Titans quote about that. I don’t feel like google searching it.
Suffice it to say, Siddle went ride or die with his system. At this point, it appears three of his four tires are flat and he was too stubborn to pay for AAA. Now he’s on a desolate road in the middle of nowhere and he better pray he has the knowledge to get this **** fixed.
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We will see. Remains to be seen who will be on the roster next year. Like I said, we'll see just how good a recruiter he is. If he's a good one, he can build this roster exactly like he wants. If nobody else leaves, here's where we are.
Returning:
Phillips(PG), Okauru(2), Harvey(3), Sims(4). Pretty much know what these guys bring to the table, and that's not a bad starting four, minus a center.
Incoming:
6'8" McGriff(5) - Can't be worse than we've had. Shot blocker with some energy.
6'5" White (G) - no idea, can't find much on hime
6'4" McCracken(G) - Looks pretty damned good. He had a 31 point, 21 rebound game and scored 43 points in a game this year, going 8-11 from three.
6'0 185lb Thomas(PG) - Also looks pretty damned good. Just won a state championship and is crazy aggressive.
That's 8 players on the roster with four available scholarships to go after two more big men and two guards.
I get that this "looks" bad, but I don't see this as a sky is falling situation. In fact, it may be addiition by subtraction. Now that i've taken some time to do research, i'm actually feeling pretty good about next year.
You show me a replacement capable of averaging 20ppg at D1 level, or a 6’7 Versatile player that can shoot lights out, I’ll give you addition by subtraction. It looks bad because it IS bad. We lost two guys that were almost certain to be in the starting 5 next year. Why should we be so confident in his recruits? Pridgen, gone. Steere, gone, Carr- never played a single game. Harvey, was solid. So he’s batting 25% on HIS guys. Just a blind leap of faith to think that he’s going to hit home runs on all the guys he has coming in? Yikes....
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I like what I see coming in.
I liked Boggs, i've said so. I liked Pridgen, i've said so. I didn't like Bowen, or Dodd, or Tolefree and all three were taking up scholarships that are now open. I see McGriff as an upgrade over Dodd or Bowen. Maybe he won't be, but how much worse could he be? Pridgen was really good, but he isn't the three point shooter Siddle wants in his system. To me, the big loss is Boggs, because he could play the four in a Siddle system. But looking at who we re returning, we already have our 1-4 guys that were all starters this year. We have four guys coming in who all look pretty good and four scholarships for new guys.
Sorry, I just don't see this as the end of the world for next year.
He’s got some serious recruiting to do. He currently has 1 guy over 6’6 and it’s a freshman, and he lost his best undersized rebounder which also hurts in that system. Joe may have not been a great three point shooter but he was a great rebounder for his size which as you know is also something very important if you are going to roll small. Yes on paper what’s coming in does look good, but on paper it looked good last year too until 3 of 4 didn’t work out or left.
I’m really hoping that we didn’t hire the right guy at the wrong time. If he could have continued the same system Keatts had with the same guys, he’d have had the opportunity to miss a little and learn on the job. He doesn’t have that now. Today was bad even in his mind, he felt the need to put out a statement because of all the movement. In my time I’ve never seen a coach do that. Desperate times call for desperate measures. Training Wheels are off now and he’s about in a ditch !
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Maybe you should wait until we play a game next year before declaring we will lose next year and may have the wrong coach. Just a thought.
(03-08-2021 07:22 PM)82hawk Wrote: [ -> ] (03-08-2021 06:23 PM)B_Hawk06 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-08-2021 06:14 PM)82hawk Wrote: [ -> ]Siddle obviously has an expectation of players and a way he is going to coach. He refused to put players on the floor because he needed bodies. He ran five guards rather than do that. That may have cost us Boggs, but i'm not ready to declare next year as lost.
There’s a fine line between stubborn and stupid. I think there’s a Remember the Titans quote about that. I don’t feel like google searching it.
Suffice it to say, Siddle went ride or die with his system. At this point, it appears three of his four tires are flat and he was too stubborn to pay for AAA. Now he’s on a desolate road in the middle of nowhere and he better pray he has the knowledge to get this **** fixed.
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We will see. Remains to be seen who will be on the roster next year. Like I said, we'll see just how good a recruiter he is. If he's a good one, he can build this roster exactly like he wants. If nobody else leaves, here's where we are.
Returning:
Phillips(PG), Okauru(2), Harvey(3), Sims(4). Pretty much know what these guys bring to the table, and that's not a bad starting four, minus a center.
Incoming:
6'8" McGriff(5) - Can't be worse than we've had. Shot blocker with some energy.
6'5" White (G) - no idea, can't find much on hime
6'4" McCracken(G) - Looks pretty damned good. He had a 31 point, 21 rebound game and scored 43 points in a game this year, going 8-11 from three.
6'0 185lb Thomas(PG) - Also looks pretty damned good. Just won a state championship and is crazy aggressive.
That's 8 players on the roster with four available scholarships to go after two more big men and two guards.
I get that this "looks" bad, but I don't see this as a sky is falling situation. In fact, it may be addiition by subtraction. Now that i've taken some time to do research, i'm actually feeling pretty good about next year.
Good analysis 82. It will be interesting to see how this unfolds
My biggest concern right now is Siddle is showing the same inflexibility that Keatts did. Sometimes you gotta change from the plan
Dodd and Tolefree are no brainers. Would have predicted them. Boggs...likely will do well and get some mid/high major offers and probably is a better fit on the wing consistently. Pridgen? Man that guy was Siddle’s pet and would have gotten unlimited minutes. I think he made a mistake unless for family reasons.
(03-08-2021 08:21 PM)solohawks Wrote: [ -> ] (03-08-2021 07:22 PM)82hawk Wrote: [ -> ] (03-08-2021 06:23 PM)B_Hawk06 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-08-2021 06:14 PM)82hawk Wrote: [ -> ]Siddle obviously has an expectation of players and a way he is going to coach. He refused to put players on the floor because he needed bodies. He ran five guards rather than do that. That may have cost us Boggs, but i'm not ready to declare next year as lost.
There’s a fine line between stubborn and stupid. I think there’s a Remember the Titans quote about that. I don’t feel like google searching it.
Suffice it to say, Siddle went ride or die with his system. At this point, it appears three of his four tires are flat and he was too stubborn to pay for AAA. Now he’s on a desolate road in the middle of nowhere and he better pray he has the knowledge to get this **** fixed.
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We will see. Remains to be seen who will be on the roster next year. Like I said, we'll see just how good a recruiter he is. If he's a good one, he can build this roster exactly like he wants. If nobody else leaves, here's where we are.
Returning:
Phillips(PG), Okauru(2), Harvey(3), Sims(4). Pretty much know what these guys bring to the table, and that's not a bad starting four, minus a center.
Incoming:
6'8" McGriff(5) - Can't be worse than we've had. Shot blocker with some energy.
6'5" White (G) - no idea, can't find much on hime
6'4" McCracken(G) - Looks pretty damned good. He had a 31 point, 21 rebound game and scored 43 points in a game this year, going 8-11 from three.
6'0 185lb Thomas(PG) - Also looks pretty damned good. Just won a state championship and is crazy aggressive.
That's 8 players on the roster with four available scholarships to go after two more big men and two guards.
I get that this "looks" bad, but I don't see this as a sky is falling situation. In fact, it may be addiition by subtraction. Now that i've taken some time to do research, i'm actually feeling pretty good about next year.
Good analysis 82. It will be interesting to see how this unfolds
My biggest concern right now is Siddle is showing the same inflexibility that Keatts did. Sometimes you gotta change from the plan
Depends on what you mean by "flexibility". It's apparent he will not be flexible on his expectations of quality of play. He's proven that he'd rather play shorthanded than put a player on the court he doesn't believe earned it. I'm ok with that. Keatts did the same.
I know everyone is caught up on him/Keatts playing zone, but I don't think he's going to flex on that much either. They have a gameplan, and a zone doesn't fit with that plan. That may have hurt Keatts, but he was building a program that got us to back to back NCAA appearances. Man hurt because our guards were small, but he also had recruits with size coming in to fix that problem. I believe in the system and I believe in Siddle. Nothing has happened that changes that for me.
(03-08-2021 08:35 PM)82hawk Wrote: [ -> ] (03-08-2021 08:21 PM)solohawks Wrote: [ -> ] (03-08-2021 07:22 PM)82hawk Wrote: [ -> ] (03-08-2021 06:23 PM)B_Hawk06 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-08-2021 06:14 PM)82hawk Wrote: [ -> ]Siddle obviously has an expectation of players and a way he is going to coach. He refused to put players on the floor because he needed bodies. He ran five guards rather than do that. That may have cost us Boggs, but i'm not ready to declare next year as lost.
There’s a fine line between stubborn and stupid. I think there’s a Remember the Titans quote about that. I don’t feel like google searching it.
Suffice it to say, Siddle went ride or die with his system. At this point, it appears three of his four tires are flat and he was too stubborn to pay for AAA. Now he’s on a desolate road in the middle of nowhere and he better pray he has the knowledge to get this **** fixed.
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We will see. Remains to be seen who will be on the roster next year. Like I said, we'll see just how good a recruiter he is. If he's a good one, he can build this roster exactly like he wants. If nobody else leaves, here's where we are.
Returning:
Phillips(PG), Okauru(2), Harvey(3), Sims(4). Pretty much know what these guys bring to the table, and that's not a bad starting four, minus a center.
Incoming:
6'8" McGriff(5) - Can't be worse than we've had. Shot blocker with some energy.
6'5" White (G) - no idea, can't find much on hime
6'4" McCracken(G) - Looks pretty damned good. He had a 31 point, 21 rebound game and scored 43 points in a game this year, going 8-11 from three.
6'0 185lb Thomas(PG) - Also looks pretty damned good. Just won a state championship and is crazy aggressive.
That's 8 players on the roster with four available scholarships to go after two more big men and two guards.
I get that this "looks" bad, but I don't see this as a sky is falling situation. In fact, it may be addiition by subtraction. Now that i've taken some time to do research, i'm actually feeling pretty good about next year.
Good analysis 82. It will be interesting to see how this unfolds
My biggest concern right now is Siddle is showing the same inflexibility that Keatts did. Sometimes you gotta change from the plan
Depends on what you mean by "flexibility". It's apparent he will not be flexible on his expectations of quality of play. He's proven that he'd rather play shorthanded than put a player on the court he doesn't believe earned it. I'm ok with that. Keatts did the same.
I know everyone is caught up on him/Keatts playing zone, but I don't think he's going to flex on that much either. They have a gameplan, and a zone doesn't fit with that plan. That may have hurt Keatts, but he was building a program that got us to back to back NCAA appearances. Man hurt because our guards were small, but he also had recruits with size coming in to fix that problem. I believe in the system and I believe in Siddle. Nothing has happened that changes that for me.
Quality of play...absolutely im with you
I'm referring to in game situations when you're game plan is not working anymore. There are times where you have to be flexible to win the game at hand. As you said..."zone doesn't fit that plan"
There are times where you gotta chuck the plan. Not always or even often, but you have to show flexibility in your schematics.
I believe in this system for us and I hope we can get it and running the way we know it can
(03-08-2021 08:15 PM)82hawk Wrote: [ -> ] (03-08-2021 07:57 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: [ -> ] (03-08-2021 07:51 PM)82hawk Wrote: [ -> ] (03-08-2021 07:41 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: [ -> ] (03-08-2021 07:22 PM)82hawk Wrote: [ -> ]We will see. Remains to be seen who will be on the roster next year. Like I said, we'll see just how good a recruiter he is. If he's a good one, he can build this roster exactly like he wants. If nobody else leaves, here's where we are.
Returning:
Phillips(PG), Okauru(2), Harvey(3), Sims(4). Pretty much know what these guys bring to the table, and that's not a bad starting four, minus a center.
Incoming:
6'8" McGriff(5) - Can't be worse than we've had. Shot blocker with some energy.
6'5" White (G) - no idea, can't find much on hime
6'4" McCracken(G) - Looks pretty damned good. He had a 31 point, 21 rebound game and scored 43 points in a game this year, going 8-11 from three.
6'0 185lb Thomas(PG) - Also looks pretty damned good. Just won a state championship and is crazy aggressive.
That's 8 players on the roster with four available scholarships to go after two more big men and two guards.
I get that this "looks" bad, but I don't see this as a sky is falling situation. In fact, it may be addiition by subtraction. Now that i've taken some time to do research, i'm actually feeling pretty good about next year.
You show me a replacement capable of averaging 20ppg at D1 level, or a 6’7 Versatile player that can shoot lights out, I’ll give you addition by subtraction. It looks bad because it IS bad. We lost two guys that were almost certain to be in the starting 5 next year. Why should we be so confident in his recruits? Pridgen, gone. Steere, gone, Carr- never played a single game. Harvey, was solid. So he’s batting 25% on HIS guys. Just a blind leap of faith to think that he’s going to hit home runs on all the guys he has coming in? Yikes....
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I like what I see coming in.
I liked Boggs, i've said so. I liked Pridgen, i've said so. I didn't like Bowen, or Dodd, or Tolefree and all three were taking up scholarships that are now open. I see McGriff as an upgrade over Dodd or Bowen. Maybe he won't be, but how much worse could he be? Pridgen was really good, but he isn't the three point shooter Siddle wants in his system. To me, the big loss is Boggs, because he could play the four in a Siddle system. But looking at who we re returning, we already have our 1-4 guys that were all starters this year. We have four guys coming in who all look pretty good and four scholarships for new guys.
Sorry, I just don't see this as the end of the world for next year.
He’s got some serious recruiting to do. He currently has 1 guy over 6’6 and it’s a freshman, and he lost his best undersized rebounder which also hurts in that system. Joe may have not been a great three point shooter but he was a great rebounder for his size which as you know is also something very important if you are going to roll small. Yes on paper what’s coming in does look good, but on paper it looked good last year too until 3 of 4 didn’t work out or left.
I’m really hoping that we didn’t hire the right guy at the wrong time. If he could have continued the same system Keatts had with the same guys, he’d have had the opportunity to miss a little and learn on the job. He doesn’t have that now. Today was bad even in his mind, he felt the need to put out a statement because of all the movement. In my time I’ve never seen a coach do that. Desperate times call for desperate measures. Training Wheels are off now and he’s about in a ditch !
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Maybe you should wait until we play a game next year before declaring we will lose next year and may have the wrong coach. Just a thought.
You are also counting on Mike, I’m hearing the opposite. We certainly need him more now than ever.
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(03-08-2021 08:27 PM)getmhawks Wrote: [ -> ]Dodd and Tolefree are no brainers. Would have predicted them. Boggs...likely will do well and get some mid/high major offers and probably is a better fit on the wing consistently. Pridgen? Man that guy was Siddle’s pet and would have gotten unlimited minutes. I think he made a mistake unless for family reasons.
Saw awhile back where Pridgen's dad commented on a social media post essentially calling Okauru a ballhog. That's never a good sign
Today was a bad day for the program, no way to sugar coat it. There's gonna be a lot of talent in the portal though, we need to grab a 2 or 3 guys out of that plus landing that big out of Hargrave (Ezuma).
As for the future of the program, I'm personally still excited to see what we look like with what is hopefully normal offseason workouts, followed by a normal schedule, and fans attending games in Trask.
(03-08-2021 08:46 PM)solohawks Wrote: [ -> ] (03-08-2021 08:35 PM)82hawk Wrote: [ -> ] (03-08-2021 08:21 PM)solohawks Wrote: [ -> ] (03-08-2021 07:22 PM)82hawk Wrote: [ -> ] (03-08-2021 06:23 PM)B_Hawk06 Wrote: [ -> ]There’s a fine line between stubborn and stupid. I think there’s a Remember the Titans quote about that. I don’t feel like google searching it.
Suffice it to say, Siddle went ride or die with his system. At this point, it appears three of his four tires are flat and he was too stubborn to pay for AAA. Now he’s on a desolate road in the middle of nowhere and he better pray he has the knowledge to get this **** fixed.
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We will see. Remains to be seen who will be on the roster next year. Like I said, we'll see just how good a recruiter he is. If he's a good one, he can build this roster exactly like he wants. If nobody else leaves, here's where we are.
Returning:
Phillips(PG), Okauru(2), Harvey(3), Sims(4). Pretty much know what these guys bring to the table, and that's not a bad starting four, minus a center.
Incoming:
6'8" McGriff(5) - Can't be worse than we've had. Shot blocker with some energy.
6'5" White (G) - no idea, can't find much on hime
6'4" McCracken(G) - Looks pretty damned good. He had a 31 point, 21 rebound game and scored 43 points in a game this year, going 8-11 from three.
6'0 185lb Thomas(PG) - Also looks pretty damned good. Just won a state championship and is crazy aggressive.
That's 8 players on the roster with four available scholarships to go after two more big men and two guards.
I get that this "looks" bad, but I don't see this as a sky is falling situation. In fact, it may be addiition by subtraction. Now that i've taken some time to do research, i'm actually feeling pretty good about next year.
Good analysis 82. It will be interesting to see how this unfolds
My biggest concern right now is Siddle is showing the same inflexibility that Keatts did. Sometimes you gotta change from the plan
Depends on what you mean by "flexibility". It's apparent he will not be flexible on his expectations of quality of play. He's proven that he'd rather play shorthanded than put a player on the court he doesn't believe earned it. I'm ok with that. Keatts did the same.
I know everyone is caught up on him/Keatts playing zone, but I don't think he's going to flex on that much either. They have a gameplan, and a zone doesn't fit with that plan. That may have hurt Keatts, but he was building a program that got us to back to back NCAA appearances. Man hurt because our guards were small, but he also had recruits with size coming in to fix that problem. I believe in the system and I believe in Siddle. Nothing has happened that changes that for me.
Quality of play...absolutely im with you
I'm referring to in game situations when you're game plan is not working anymore. There are times where you have to be flexible to win the game at hand. As you said..."zone doesn't fit that plan"
There are times where you gotta chuck the plan. Not always or even often, but you have to show flexibility in your schematics.
I believe in this system for us and I hope we can get it and running the way we know it can
Good coaches adjust. Keatts was able to get away with it here because I’m he recruited incredible talent. It’s killing him at state, and before this last little win streak that fan base was calling for his head. They complain about his inflexibility to changing a game plan, They aren’t wrong. You can out talent teams at our level and get away with it, and he did. Doesn’t work at that level.
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(03-08-2021 08:36 PM)triangleseahawk919 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-08-2021 08:21 PM)solohawks Wrote: [ -> ] (03-08-2021 07:22 PM)82hawk Wrote: [ -> ] (03-08-2021 06:23 PM)B_Hawk06 Wrote: [ -> ]There’s a fine line between stubborn and stupid. I think there’s a Remember the Titans quote about that. I don’t feel like google searching it.
Suffice it to say, Siddle went ride or die with his system. At this point, it appears three of his four tires are flat and he was too stubborn to pay for AAA. Now he’s on a desolate road in the middle of nowhere and he better pray he has the knowledge to get this **** fixed.
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We will see. Remains to be seen who will be on the roster next year. Like I said, we'll see just how good a recruiter he is. If he's a good one, he can build this roster exactly like he wants. If nobody else leaves, here's where we are.
Returning:
Phillips(PG), Okauru(2), Harvey(3), Sims(4). Pretty much know what these guys bring to the table, and that's not a bad starting four, minus a center.
Incoming:
6'8" McGriff(5) - Can't be worse than we've had. Shot blocker with some energy.
6'5" White (G) - no idea, can't find much on hime
6'4" McCracken(G) - Looks pretty damned good. He had a 31 point, 21 rebound game and scored 43 points in a game this year, going 8-11 from three.
6'0 185lb Thomas(PG) - Also looks pretty damned good. Just won a state championship and is crazy aggressive.
That's 8 players on the roster with four available scholarships to go after two more big men and two guards.
I get that this "looks" bad, but I don't see this as a sky is falling situation. In fact, it may be addiition by subtraction. Now that i've taken some time to do research, i'm actually feeling pretty good about next year.
Good analysis 82. It will be interesting to see how this unfolds
My biggest concern right now is Siddle is showing the same inflexibility that Keatts did. Sometimes you gotta change from the plan
If Siddle’s plan isnt flexible like Keatts...leading to 72 wins, 3 straight regular season championships, back to back tournament championships and some of the best players in the program’s history, I hope he stays the course. How spoiled a fan base must be to complain about the Keatts era. My how quickly everyone forgets how miserable the past three years were under McGrath.
I don't know why you keep erasing your posts after you criticize people. I don't mind backing up my statement. My history of support for this program proves I am far from "spoiled"
I don't think it's "spoiled" to point out Keatts was stubborn about his gameplan. 99% of the time it worked out great. That 1% of the time it didn't, i think it's completely fair to point out that a change or two in certain games could have made a world of difference.