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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2927...9-concerns

They haven't canceled them yet, and are still trying to work out some details but after postponing them a year to begin with, it seems unlikely that they can push it back another year. Technically the Summer Olympics haven't been canceled since World War II, but both the 1980 and 1984 Games were heavily impacted by boycotts.

Tokyo is in a pretty tough situation. They've spent a crapload of money already and their brand spanking new facilities won't be so new in 2032 (they're hoping that if they have to cancel them, then they will be able to host in 2032 instead).

You also feel for the athletes, but just like last summer, you just wonder if they can figure out a way to choose the various teams for this summer's Games anyway. We're about 6 months away from when they are supposed to start, but typically the various teams are filled over the next 3-4 months. You do wonder about the mindset of top tier college athletes in sports like swimming, track and field, gymnastics, etc. as the Olympics is their bread and butter.

Ironically, if the Tokyo Games don't happen, the next Olympics to take place will be the Winter Olympics in Beijing in 2022. Sorry to bring politics into this, but hey this is the Olympics and when has politics not been a part of it?

NBA players expected to participate? Also the notable professional tennis players still on the tour concomitant with Olympics, like Federer who wants to win a gold. And all the individual athletes of course. It’s a blow for sure if this happens. Can’t see why they can’t get a bubble going. Would seem like they’d be more equipped as any other sporting event. Obviously fans would be limited if not non existent.

(01-21-2021 08:30 PM)RUScarlets Wrote: [ -> ]NBA players expected to participate? Also the notable professional tennis players still on the tour concomitant with Olympics, like Federer who wants to win a gold. And all the individual athletes of course. It’s a blow for sure if this happens. Can’t see why they can’t get a bubble going. Would seem like they’d be more equipped as any other sporting event. Obviously fans would be limited if not non existent.

This. Between vaccines becoming more available in the next few months, the proven capability of a bubble, the proven fact of other sports leagues playing their seasons, and the downside of Olympic age athletes no longer being fit to compete due to aging out of their prime for the sport, I don’t see why this couldn’t be pulled off.

(01-21-2021 07:52 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote: [ -> ]https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2927...9-concerns

They haven't canceled them yet, and are still trying to work out some details but after postponing them a year to begin with, it seems unlikely that they can push it back another year. Technically the Summer Olympics haven't been canceled since World War II, but both the 1980 and 1984 Games were heavily impacted by boycotts.

Very sad. Tokyo should just go ahead and have the Olympics. Can't let the virus rule our lives.

I can imagine the folks at 30 Rock, Stamford, and Philadelphia are reacting to this in the appropriate manner:

(01-21-2021 08:49 PM)Sicembear11 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-21-2021 08:30 PM)RUScarlets Wrote: [ -> ]NBA players expected to participate? Also the notable professional tennis players still on the tour concomitant with Olympics, like Federer who wants to win a gold. And all the individual athletes of course. It’s a blow for sure if this happens. Can’t see why they can’t get a bubble going. Would seem like they’d be more equipped as any other sporting event. Obviously fans would be limited if not non existent.

This. Between vaccines becoming more available in the next few months, the proven capability of a bubble, the proven fact of other sports leagues playing their seasons, and the downside of Olympic age athletes no longer being fit to compete due to aging out of their prime for the sport, I don’t see why this couldn’t be pulled off.

Because countries spend billions of dollars creating facilities (including the Olympic Village) for the Olympics, and those facilities require fans.

The TV money is huge of course, and that helps. But it's not enough.

Maybe they could play a few sports that would be easier to house in a bubble environment. But there is no way they could host all the sports and all the athletes.

I also wonder if the professional athletes would still be eager to represent their country if they felt their health and livelihood was at risk. So that would probably eliminate basketball, tennis, golf and soccer.

Maybe swimming, track and field and gymnastics could still take place. Maybe.

I actually have a hard time seeing Beijing 2022 going off - it's only around 6-7 months after the Tokyo games. The US will have likely achieved herd immunity around the beginning of 2022, but a lot of other nations will be depending on other nations for vaccine supply.

It would probably be impossible to pull off, but I wonder if LA could host the 2020 games in November 2022, and Tokyo moves to 2028. Weather issues should be minimal (beach volleyball and any open water swimming might be questionable). The key thing is that most of the venues in LA exist now. The Paralympics might be up against the FIFA World Cup in December, but the time zone difference might cut down on the competition.

(01-21-2021 09:52 PM)chargeradio Wrote: [ -> ]I actually have a hard time seeing Beijing 2022 going off - it's only around 6-7 months after the Tokyo games. The US will have likely achieved herd immunity around the beginning of 2022, but a lot of other nations will be depending on other nations for vaccine supply.

It would probably be impossible to pull off, but I wonder if LA could host the 2020 games in November 2022, and Tokyo moves to 2028. Weather issues should be minimal (beach volleyball and any open water swimming might be questionable). The key thing is that most of the venues in LA exist now. The Paralympics might be up against the FIFA World Cup in December, but the time zone difference might cut down on the competition.

You know what will be competing against an LA Olympics that would take place in 2022? The NFL. Does NBC really want to surrender three weekends of SNF?

(01-21-2021 07:52 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote: [ -> ]Tokyo is in a pretty tough situation. They've spent a crapload of money already and their brand spanking new facilities won't be so new in 2032 (they're hoping that if they have to cancel them, then they will be able to host in 2032 instead).

The biggest issue there is that it's criminal how host nations are compelled to spend billions on new facilities to "win" an Olympics.

Given that those facilities might not be as new as the IOC wants by 2032, how about the IOC sends a huge check to LA to move LA's Olympics to 2032, and then gives 2028 to Tokyo?

(01-21-2021 09:43 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-21-2021 08:49 PM)Sicembear11 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-21-2021 08:30 PM)RUScarlets Wrote: [ -> ]NBA players expected to participate? Also the notable professional tennis players still on the tour concomitant with Olympics, like Federer who wants to win a gold. And all the individual athletes of course. It’s a blow for sure if this happens. Can’t see why they can’t get a bubble going. Would seem like they’d be more equipped as any other sporting event. Obviously fans would be limited if not non existent.

This. Between vaccines becoming more available in the next few months, the proven capability of a bubble, the proven fact of other sports leagues playing their seasons, and the downside of Olympic age athletes no longer being fit to compete due to aging out of their prime for the sport, I don’t see why this couldn’t be pulled off.

Because countries spend billions of dollars creating facilities (including the Olympic Village) for the Olympics, and those facilities require fans.

The TV money is huge of course, and that helps. But it's not enough.

Maybe they could play a few sports that would be easier to house in a bubble environment. But there is no way they could host all the sports and all the athletes.

I also wonder if the professional athletes would still be eager to represent their country if they felt their health and livelihood was at risk. So that would probably eliminate basketball, tennis, golf and soccer.

Maybe swimming, track and field and gymnastics could still take place. Maybe.

Olympic villages are typically turned into condos, which have already been paid for. In Tokyo's case, those who have purchased units are already delayed in moving in by 12 additional months. LA 2028's village is to be the residence halls on the UCLA campus.

Since no Games since 1984 have turned a profit, the Games are about the IOC grifting money from all the fees they charge. Unlike the organizing committee who takes the often government-backed financial risks, the IOC couldn't care less if no tourists show up, so long as they get their money from ComcastNBC.

Why is this a concern? The Japanese have been wearing the magic masks for close to 20 years now.

(01-21-2021 09:06 PM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-21-2021 07:52 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote: [ -> ]https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2927...9-concerns

They haven't canceled them yet, and are still trying to work out some details but after postponing them a year to begin with, it seems unlikely that they can push it back another year. Technically the Summer Olympics haven't been canceled since World War II, but both the 1980 and 1984 Games were heavily impacted by boycotts.

Very sad. Tokyo should just go ahead and have the Olympics. Can't let the virus rule our lives.

It's a COMPLETE lack of courage from leadership.

Nobody has the balls/guts to be first and say "we are moving forward." Because nobody has the balls/guts to do that, this "new normal" continues.

Despite the vaccine and a number of reasons to be optimistic, we are literally frozen in place right now as a society.

Pathetic.

(01-21-2021 09:52 PM)chargeradio Wrote: [ -> ]I actually have a hard time seeing Beijing 2022 going off - it's only around 6-7 months after the Tokyo games. The US will have likely achieved herd immunity around the beginning of 2022, but a lot of other nations will be depending on other nations for vaccine supply.

It would probably be impossible to pull off, but I wonder if LA could host the 2020 games in November 2022, and Tokyo moves to 2028. Weather issues should be minimal (beach volleyball and any open water swimming might be questionable). The key thing is that most of the venues in LA exist now. The Paralympics might be up against the FIFA World Cup in December, but the time zone difference might cut down on the competition.

Beijing 2022 should be unilaterally boycotted because ..... among OTHER things ..... China dragged their feet in their initial response to this and that was partially responsible for the virus getting out to the greater world.

But, I suppose, that's a whole other story.

Yeah, as Russia and China showed with their events, what good are these facilities after the fact when you’re expected to build them? Or, like what happened to Greece and the issues that plagued Brazil. It’s a racket.

I wonder if there isn’t huge backlash to a bubble and doing away with the village because the athletes themselves would simply choose not to go. They’re amongst the best customers, and it’s a known partying scene. Sure, other athletes could go...how would countries feel about that?

(01-22-2021 07:08 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, as Russia and China showed with their events, what good are these facilities after the fact when you’re expected to build them? Or, like what happened to Greece and the issues that plagued Brazil. It’s a racket.

I think it used to be a racket, as organizers would promise all the great things the facilities would be used for after the games, which almost never materialized. I think the USA has done the best job with this - IIRC, Atlanta was able to use some of the facilities pretty well.

But by now, everyone pretty much knows that all of the value of those facilities will be accrued during the 17 days of the games, so plan accordingly.

The amount of money that Japan would get screwed out of is staggering...... not that anybody makes money off the olympics....but there is no recouping anything.
Getting the Olympics in 2032 is a no go because the upkeep of the facilities would be crazy for 12 years.

They should just go on with it, even if there are no fans and the IOC should give most of the TV right to Japan to recoup costs.

Summer 22 and a two year break to 24 could work as well. Weren't the World Championships scheduled this summer? You put that back in place and then follow up Beijing. Winter Sports should be the easiest from a bubble perspective. A lot fewer athletes and not the huge crowds. Hockey won't be taking place with NHL players or am I mistaken?

Maybe it's just time to let the Olympics fade into history.

(01-21-2021 10:33 PM)Wedge Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-21-2021 07:52 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote: [ -> ]Tokyo is in a pretty tough situation. They've spent a crapload of money already and their brand spanking new facilities won't be so new in 2032 (they're hoping that if they have to cancel them, then they will be able to host in 2032 instead).

The biggest issue there is that it's criminal how host nations are compelled to spend billions on new facilities to "win" an Olympics.

Given that those facilities might not be as new as the IOC wants by 2032, how about the IOC sends a huge check to LA to move LA's Olympics to 2032, and then gives 2028 to Tokyo?

Whether it's 2032 or 2028, the Olympic Village will have already been converted to its original post Olympic purpose, and would have to be rebuilt anyway.

(01-22-2021 12:19 PM)ken d Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe it's just time to let the Olympics fade into history.

I don't think we are that extreme yet. But the IOC's business model does need to be put out to pasture.