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Going to start this, as some of the ideas crept up in the Biden thread. This is intended to be a discussion of the broader aspect apart from our CIC and his sidekick replacement.

In the last 48 hours the following has happened:

Trump has been banned from FB and Twitter.

The group #walkaway, which details people who have walked away from the Democratic party, and having over 500k followers with thousands of testimonial videos is simply..... GONE. Banned from FB. As are the personal accounts of its founder and all of its staff.

Simon and Schuster have reneged on their publication of Josh Hawley's book -- a book on Big Tech nonetheless.

Google has de-platformed the Parler application from its store.

Apple has demanded Parler to kowtow to a policy of what Apple believes is best for parler talk --- and gave 24 hours notice for them to do so or be de-platformed.

Twitter permablocked General Flynn.

Twitter permablocked Lin Wood.

Twitter permablocked Sidney Powell.

Biden compares Ted Cruz and Hawley to Joseph Goebbels, yet CNN is ready to body lick their man to explain that a reference and comparison really didnt call them 'literal Nazis' in that action.

And you all wonder why we thing the progressive movement is really just a bunch of Maoists?

Serioulsy, close to 40% of the nation believes in fraud sufficient to tilt the election. Probably more think that there are serious questions in the voting effort that should be explained, and not necessarily that the election result was impacted.

The left and all their bugaboos pretty much say 'STFU'. Very effective. Then they actively try and get people to STFU (see above).

Funny, from my perspective, there were some glaring issues in *how* and *what* the Democrats did in the implementation of the vote. They specifically went full tilt in their effort to *maximize* both the ability to commit fraud, and the ease to which to do so.

And honestly speaking, the Data Integrity Group has put together some really interesting and quite marked anomalies in the data relating to voting and counting processes. Enough for this applied math degreed redneck to look at it.

Their comment in light of actual instances of potential issues -- is now 'STFU', and if you dont they forcibly shut you up. Kind of harkens to CCP, but yet Trump is somehow the 'authoritarian' in their mind.

And they bristle when the idea of 'lets do a real good audit of the ****' comes up. Seems to me, that if there actually is nothing in that woodpile, the best way to clear it up *is* with a bipartisan dissection of the issues. Even on this forum, Cruz and Hawley were lambasted for suggesting such an airing. Yay.

And if the Data Integrity Group is in the deep end with their issue, lets research it, find it out, and broadcast that. And there are some very interesting and somewhat troubling items in the data that they put forth.

But no, the comment is STFU. Followed by the proverbial 'butt hurt and ignorant' type comments. Authoritarian style crackdowns of any sort never work, in fact they actually tend to deepen the chasm. But yet, the message is "STFU, you are nothing but butt hurt and ignorant. No smoke." Go team.
It’s called progressivism in this iteration.

No idea what they called it in 1960’s Cuba, 1930’s Germany, or 1917 Russia, or current North Korea and Iran.
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(01-09-2021 12:54 PM)InterestedX Wrote: [ -> ][Image: BeautifulThirstyAmericanratsnake-small.gif]


Interesting comment to the thread. Perchance you want to regale us with your viewpoint on the censorship that is taking place? Kind of fun and dandy integral part of a free society in your view?
Private companies. They're not abridging anyone's 1st Amendment rights.
(01-09-2021 12:54 PM)InterestedX Wrote: [ -> ][Image: BeautifulThirstyAmericanratsnake-small.gif]

My butt hurt comment seems to be kinda on the mark, no?
(01-09-2021 03:20 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-09-2021 12:54 PM)InterestedX Wrote: [ -> ][Image: BeautifulThirstyAmericanratsnake-small.gif]

My butt hurt comment seems to be kinda on the mark, no?

04-cheers
(01-09-2021 02:46 PM)InterestedX Wrote: [ -> ]Private companies. They're not abridging anyone's 1st Amendment rights.

Glad to see that you have joined the stfu group.
(01-09-2021 03:20 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-09-2021 12:54 PM)InterestedX Wrote: [ -> ][Image: BeautifulThirstyAmericanratsnake-small.gif]

My butt hurt comment seems to be kinda on the mark, no?

If is absolutely on the mark. Perhaps not in the way you intend though. Kind of on par for a stfu type guy. Good job.

The funny part is that you self proclaim as accepting and willing to listen to grievance. Then the mask slips with that shitbird comment. And yes I probably will continue to use it for just that purpose.
(01-09-2021 05:56 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-09-2021 03:20 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-09-2021 12:54 PM)InterestedX Wrote: [ -> ][Image: BeautifulThirstyAmericanratsnake-small.gif]

My butt hurt comment seems to be kinda on the mark, no?

If is absolutely on the mark. Perhaps not in the way you intend though. Kind of on par for a stfu type guy. Good job.

The funny part is that you self proclaim as accepting and willing to listen to grievance. Then the mask slips with that shitbird comment. And yes I probably will continue to use it for just that purpose.

Articulate the evidence here, on this forum, as to how the alleged fraud changed the outcome of the election, and then maybe there will be a leg to stand on.

Until then, I’m going to laugh about how butthurt Trump’s supporters are - so much so that they’re now harassing Lindsay Graham in the airport.
I would like a deeper dive into some of these anomalies as well despite both not believing the fraud switched the outcome and not a Trump supporter either. Essentially any friend of mine including good friends from Rice and childhood have resorted to name calling, insults, and other bad manners without obviously wanting any conversation. Not exactly the behavior you would expect to see from people operating from a moral or intellectual high ground that believe to hold.
There is undoubtedly at least 35% of the country think that fraud tilted the election.

Probably north of 45% believe at least some fraud ensued. Not arguments here, just factual recitations of those numbers.

I think it might be amazingly helpful to 'audit' the issue. At the very least to clear the air. One would think that this step might do well to lower the tensions. If the issues dont hold water, let it be brought out. Air that out.

My friend lad, instead, thinks that embracing and doubling down on his endearing statement about butt hurt and ignorant is best. Followed by a beer chaser from his pal Interested.

As stated before, I dont think fraud tilted the election. I fundamentally think there was some fraud, perhaps by lone chop shop homeys who carted in harvested mail ins. And there is definitely evidence that local officials flouted their own laws in ballot handling.

By the way lad, head over to the Data Integrity Group, they have some very interesting math models to ponder. Not saying 'proof positive' but enough to make one say 'well..... perhaps we really should look further into this." Or not. Your choice whether to stick your fat fingers into your ears or not. Free country and all that jazz.

And it is undisputed that the Democratic party fought tooth and nail to put into place voting systems and regimes into place that fundamentally short circuited most pretense at anti-fraud measures.

Again, perhaps take Cruz's and Hawley's message to heart and air *everything* out. If it is fine and virgin white, hey, at least we know. If not, perhaps the Democrats might take some anti-fraud measures to heart for once in my lifetime.

Or, we can take the tack of lad and his beer buddy interested and keep up with the 'nothing but butt hurt and ignorant there.' Ill tell you which one I would think more productive. Maybe not for the beer pal friends though.

My advice for you as the two beer pong amigos is that if you want to actually calm things down, perhaps you should actually give a hearing turn to this. That is as opposed to calling them butt hurt and ignorant, or just saying you find it fairly awesome to shut them down in the marketplace of ideas.

The first is arrogant, the second is authoritarian. Just saying.
second item:

Given Cruz and Hawley's call for an audit, did you note Slo Mo Mr Unity's message of the day? He compared them to our pal Josef Goebbels.

Interesting take on the message of 'unity'.

Kind of akin to lad's so quaint comment on butt hurt and ignorant. Funny that.
third item:

as to interested's comments as to corporations cant impinge on our first amendment rights, wasnt it his side that less than three years ago was barnstorming on how cruel it was for a bakery to impinge on some gay couple's first amendment rights?

My how the wheel turns.
So when St Michael Brown wrestled with a police officer, tried to grab his gun, and was shot -- the left excoriated the police officer and deified St Michael Brown.

Fast forward, and when Ashli trespasses into a corridor, unarmed and confined into a pane of window, when she is smoked for that crime of trespass the left now sanctifies the unknown police officer and calls Ashli a traitor.

Awesome job on that pirouette. A 10 for style points on that move.
All of the above and much, much, more can consolidated into what I call the Democratic Double Standard.
(01-09-2021 09:20 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]So when St Michael Brown wrestled with a police officer, tried to grab his gun, and was shot -- the left excoriated the police officer and deified St Michael Brown.

Fast forward, and when Ashli trespasses into a corridor, unarmed and confined into a pane of window, when she is smoked for that crime of trespass the left now sanctifies the unknown police officer and calls Ashli a traitor.

Awesome job on that pirouette. A 10 for style points on that move.

But the officer was white, Brown was not. QED, racist police officer committed murder, let's burn some pharmacies.
(01-09-2021 09:12 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]third item:

as to interested's comments as to corporations cant impinge on our first amendment rights, wasnt it his side that less than three years ago was barnstorming on how cruel it was for a bakery to impinge on some gay couple's first amendment rights?

My how the wheel turns.

My side?
My side?

Please explain to me just how you know what my "side" (i.e. me) thinks about ANYTHING that I have not addressed here. Go ahead, I'll hang up and listen.
(01-09-2021 09:09 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]second item:

Given Cruz and Hawley's call for an audit, did you note Slo Mo Mr Unity's message of the day? He compared them to our pal Josef Goebbels.

Interesting take on the message of 'unity'.

Kind of akin to lad's so quaint comment on butt hurt and ignorant. Funny that.

Did I actually call people ignorant? Or did I say they were in denial?

You are throwing quote marks around that word as if I said it. Me thinks it is a figment of your imagination - and you should probably be more sure before you continue to bleat on about that comment.
(01-09-2021 09:06 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]There is undoubtedly at least 35% of the country think that fraud tilted the election.

Probably north of 45% believe at least some fraud ensued. Not arguments here, just factual recitations of those numbers.

I think it might be amazingly helpful to 'audit' the issue. At the very least to clear the air. One would think that this step might do well to lower the tensions. If the issues dont hold water, let it be brought out. Air that out.

My friend lad, instead, thinks that embracing and doubling down on his endearing statement about butt hurt and ignorant is best. Followed by a beer chaser from his pal Interested.

As stated before, I dont think fraud tilted the election. I fundamentally think there was some fraud, perhaps by lone chop shop homeys who carted in harvested mail ins. And there is definitely evidence that local officials flouted their own laws in ballot handling.

By the way lad, head over to the Data Integrity Group, they have some very interesting math models to ponder. Not saying 'proof positive' but enough to make one say 'well..... perhaps we really should look further into this." Or not. Your choice whether to stick your fat fingers into your ears or not. Free country and all that jazz.

And it is undisputed that the Democratic party fought tooth and nail to put into place voting systems and regimes into place that fundamentally short circuited most pretense at anti-fraud measures.

Again, perhaps take Cruz's and Hawley's message to heart and air *everything* out. If it is fine and virgin white, hey, at least we know. If not, perhaps the Democrats might take some anti-fraud measures to heart for once in my lifetime.

Or, we can take the tack of lad and his beer buddy interested and keep up with the 'nothing but butt hurt and ignorant there.' Ill tell you which one I would think more productive. Maybe not for the beer pal friends though.

My advice for you as the two beer pong amigos is that if you want to actually calm things down, perhaps you should actually give a hearing turn to this. That is as opposed to calling them butt hurt and ignorant, or just saying you find it fairly awesome to shut them down in the marketplace of ideas.

The first is arrogant, the second is authoritarian. Just saying.

I’ll ask once again, can you articulate these fraud claims here?

You seem very interested in their results - I’m interested in what you gleaned from them so we could actually discuss the points you find pertinent and why they’re evidence of fraud.

For starters, I actually tried to Google that group earlier and all I found was a video online - I didn’t find a website presenting data.
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