Interesting article about the Boise situation---but the description of the Boise St football program early in this article essentially personifies the reason I believe we will certainly give the Bronco's UConn's old football slot if they interested. This line pretty much sums up the description.
Most Group of 5 schools — heck, many Power 5 ones as well — spend decades and untold millions looking to establish what Boise did long ago: tradition, culture, identity, brand. It would fair to say Boise State is the Notre Dame of the Group of 5.
https://footballscoop.com/news/bryan-har...from-here/
I wouldn't say all that. The gap between Notre Dame and BYU is 10x of what the gap is between Boise and UCF/Houston
Excuse me Mr Attack, sir, we already have a Boise mega thread and it's even ***Offish ---
Wait, they said what?!
I'm not buying Boise as ND
(12-23-2020 05:37 PM)IamYourDad Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn't say all that. The gap between Notre Dame and BYU is 10x of what the gap is between Boise and UCF/Houston
lol--well, the "official" thread seemed a little distracted right now.
Look I agree---the Notre Dame thing is over the top---but thats not the point. My point is that programs with strong "brand" identity are the key building blocks of a valuable conference. Having programs like Navy---with strong brand identity---is the key to raising the profile of a conference. Thats why Army was an AAC target even when they were not doing that well. There are not that many programs with strong brand identity outside of the P5---so when you have the opportunity to grab a brand that is well known even to casual college football fans----you do it.
(12-23-2020 05:53 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2020 05:37 PM)IamYourDad Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn't say all that. The gap between Notre Dame and BYU is 10x of what the gap is between Boise and UCF/Houston
Thats not the point. The point is that programs with strong "brand" identity are the key building blocks of a valuable conference. You grab those anytime you can.
I think that goes without saying, but it all circles back to money. If Boise would place its Olympic sports in another conference this would be done already. I want them in the AAC, but not if it has to come out of our own pockets which are already thin. Boise is a luxury, not a necessity
(12-23-2020 05:58 PM)IamYourDad Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2020 05:53 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2020 05:37 PM)IamYourDad Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn't say all that. The gap between Notre Dame and BYU is 10x of what the gap is between Boise and UCF/Houston
Thats not the point. The point is that programs with strong "brand" identity are the key building blocks of a valuable conference. You grab those anytime you can.
I think that goes without saying, but it all circles back to money. If Boise would place its Olympic sports in another conference this would be done already. I want them in the AAC, but not if it has to come out of our own pockets which are already thin. Boise is a luxury, not a necessity
A full all sports membership is problematic. My understanding is a "football only" membership is all thats on the table.
(12-23-2020 06:11 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2020 05:58 PM)IamYourDad Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2020 05:53 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2020 05:37 PM)IamYourDad Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn't say all that. The gap between Notre Dame and BYU is 10x of what the gap is between Boise and UCF/Houston
Thats not the point. The point is that programs with strong "brand" identity are the key building blocks of a valuable conference. You grab those anytime you can.
I think that goes without saying, but it all circles back to money. If Boise would place its Olympic sports in another conference this would be done already. I want them in the AAC, but not if it has to come out of our own pockets which are already thin. Boise is a luxury, not a necessity
A full all sports membership is problematic. My understanding is a "football only" membership is all thats on the table.
That’s true, but that’s the issue. Boise is having a hard time finding a home for those sports, and they don’t want to sacrifice their basketball program for the AAC. “I know the option of FB and MBB/WBB only is not going to probably work and Big West is not an option either at this time, so we’re down to an all sports move or not moving.” That’s a quote from Boise in the e-mails. Any other move would doom every sport other than football, and they have a good basketball program
The huge hangup with Boise is their Olympic sports... Where to place them seems to be Boise challenge and if they’re unsuccessful in finding a suitable location we may not see Boise in the AAC anytime in the near future.
(12-23-2020 06:20 PM)IamYourDad Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2020 06:11 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2020 05:58 PM)IamYourDad Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2020 05:53 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2020 05:37 PM)IamYourDad Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn't say all that. The gap between Notre Dame and BYU is 10x of what the gap is between Boise and UCF/Houston
Thats not the point. The point is that programs with strong "brand" identity are the key building blocks of a valuable conference. You grab those anytime you can.
I think that goes without saying, but it all circles back to money. If Boise would place its Olympic sports in another conference this would be done already. I want them in the AAC, but not if it has to come out of our own pockets which are already thin. Boise is a luxury, not a necessity
A full all sports membership is problematic. My understanding is a "football only" membership is all thats on the table.
That’s true, but that’s the issue. Boise is having a hard time finding a home for those sports, and they don’t want to sacrifice their basketball program for the AAC. “I know the option of FB and MBB/WBB only is not going to probably work and Big West is not an option either at this time, so we’re down to an all sports move or not moving.” That’s a quote from Boise in the e-mails. Any other move would doom every sport other than football, and they have a good basketball program
The WAC is there---and honestly---it will be a pretty stable league if the rumored expansion is successful. Its possible thats what Boise is waiting for. Either the WCC/Big West---reconsiders and becomes interested in them post-Covid---or the WAC membership swells enough to make the WAC a safe stable landing place for Boise Olympics.
(12-23-2020 06:25 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2020 06:20 PM)IamYourDad Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2020 06:11 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2020 05:58 PM)IamYourDad Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2020 05:53 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ]Thats not the point. The point is that programs with strong "brand" identity are the key building blocks of a valuable conference. You grab those anytime you can.
I think that goes without saying, but it all circles back to money. If Boise would place its Olympic sports in another conference this would be done already. I want them in the AAC, but not if it has to come out of our own pockets which are already thin. Boise is a luxury, not a necessity
A full all sports membership is problematic. My understanding is a "football only" membership is all thats on the table.
That’s true, but that’s the issue. Boise is having a hard time finding a home for those sports, and they don’t want to sacrifice their basketball program for the AAC. “I know the option of FB and MBB/WBB only is not going to probably work and Big West is not an option either at this time, so we’re down to an all sports move or not moving.” That’s a quote from Boise in the e-mails. Any other move would doom every sport other than football, and they have a good basketball program
The WAC is there---and honestly---it will be a pretty stable league if the rumored expansion is successful. Its possible thats what Boise is waiting for. Either the WCC/Big West---reconsiders and becomes interested in them post-Covid---or the WAC membership swells enough to make the WAC a safe stable landing place for Boise Olympics.
That's a lot of projection though. The WAC currently is awful
Boise can't even win it's own weak conference half the time. It's only relevant season since the CFP was six years ago. They have huge financial issues, brand new AD brand new Coach.
It's over. They hung themselves and hamstrung the MW to do it. Most high school kids have no idea who Boise is and most of the country won't pay attention to them unless they show up in a NY6 and then people will be like oh yeah Boise. So important their bowl game got cancelled two years ago and they stayed home this year.
Nothing about that says ND anything.
(12-23-2020 06:25 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ]<snip> Either the WCC/Big West---reconsiders and becomes interested in them post-Covid---</snip>
I'm not necessarily directing this comment at you- your post just happens to be the latest place I've seen allusion to the possibility of Boise moving to the WCC.
I can't imagine the WCC would ever take Boise as a member or partner. The WCC consists of private faith-based schools on the West Coast (and Provo, UT). Most of them are very selective schools, and some are amongst the top schools in the country (Pepperdine, etc.). The biggest "outlier" in the conference is BYU (geography, size, and only school that isn't Protestant or Catholic), but even BYU is a MUCH closer fit to the WCC culture than Boise.
I see people proposing new AAC divisions all the time with Boise football-only, with explanations like "Boise olympics to the WCC." Never going to happen, and I really doubt those posters really know anything about the WCC schools beyond Gonzaga. Boise's addition would have zero benefit to the WCC, zero fit with the WCC. Why would they ever be interested?
Boise State in the Big West? Sure, I could see that. Or the Big Sky, etc. Lots of large, public, not-quite-so-selective schools in those conferences. (Not saying they're bad schools- but night-and-day different culture from the WCC schools.)
(12-23-2020 06:40 PM)IamYourDad Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2020 06:25 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2020 06:20 PM)IamYourDad Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2020 06:11 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2020 05:58 PM)IamYourDad Wrote: [ -> ]I think that goes without saying, but it all circles back to money. If Boise would place its Olympic sports in another conference this would be done already. I want them in the AAC, but not if it has to come out of our own pockets which are already thin. Boise is a luxury, not a necessity
A full all sports membership is problematic. My understanding is a "football only" membership is all thats on the table.
That’s true, but that’s the issue. Boise is having a hard time finding a home for those sports, and they don’t want to sacrifice their basketball program for the AAC. “I know the option of FB and MBB/WBB only is not going to probably work and Big West is not an option either at this time, so we’re down to an all sports move or not moving.” That’s a quote from Boise in the e-mails. Any other move would doom every sport other than football, and they have a good basketball program
The WAC is there---and honestly---it will be a pretty stable league if the rumored expansion is successful. Its possible thats what Boise is waiting for. Either the WCC/Big West---reconsiders and becomes interested in them post-Covid---or the WAC membership swells enough to make the WAC a safe stable landing place for Boise Olympics.
That's a lot of projection though. The WAC currently is awful
Yeah--I mean they have New Mexico St---thats a pretty decent basketball program. Steven F Austin and Sam Houston are two of the schools expected to join---they each have pretty decent basketball programs. Grand Canyon's not bad. Boise's got a decent program. It wouldnt be a top 10 league---but Boise would be one of the 2 to 4 top programs in the league every year with a good shot at the auto-bid. They probably end up getting more trips to the tournament there than if they were in the WCC or MW.
(12-23-2020 07:23 PM)Music Maker Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2020 06:25 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ]<snip> Either the WCC/Big West---reconsiders and becomes interested in them post-Covid---</snip>
I'm not necessarily directing this comment at you- your post just happens to be the latest place I've seen allusion to the possibility of Boise moving to the WCC.
I can't imagine the WCC would ever take Boise as a member or partner. The WCC consists of private faith-based schools on the West Coast (and Provo, UT). Most of them are very selective schools, and some are amongst the top schools in the country (Pepperdine, etc.). The biggest "outlier" in the conference is BYU (geography, size, and only school that isn't Protestant or Catholic), but even BYU is a MUCH closer fit to the WCC culture than Boise.
I see people proposing new AAC divisions all the time with Boise football-only, with explanations like "Boise olympics to the WCC." Never going to happen, and I really doubt those posters really know anything about the WCC schools beyond Gonzaga. Boise's addition would have zero benefit to the WCC, zero fit with the WCC. Why would they ever be interested?
Boise State in the Big West? Sure, I could see that. Or the Big Sky, etc. Lots of large, public, not-quite-so-selective schools in those conferences. (Not saying they're bad schools- but night-and-day different culture from the WCC schools.)
I understand that completely. That said--Boise has a nice basketball program and the emails indicated the WCC said they didnt really want to talk until after the Covid--so it wasnt a door slammed in the face situation. Of course--the commissioner DID emphasize that they are a faith based private institutions---so I think Boise's a long shot. The one reason the WCC might be more viable than in the past is that Boise's solid basketball program would be one of the better programs in the league---and that might be attractive to the WCC as it weakens the MW and strengthens the quality of the WCC. In light of the recent attempt by the MW to poach Gonzaga---that kind of action might be more attractive to them than it would have been in the past.
Frankly---I think a reinforced WAC is probably the best the landing spot for Boise olympics that is going to be available.
(12-23-2020 07:01 PM)Foreverandever Wrote: [ -> ]Boise can't even win it's own weak conference half the time. It's only relevant season since the CFP was six years ago. They have huge financial issues, brand new AD brand new Coach.
It's over. They hung themselves and hamstrung the MW to do it. Most high school kids have no idea who Boise is and most of the country won't pay attention to them unless they show up in a NY6 and then people will be like oh yeah Boise. So important their bowl game got cancelled two years ago and they stayed home this year.
Nothing about that says ND anything.
You’re a Tulsa fan. Lmao!!!
I suggested this a long while ago, but I think that BYU is the linchpin for what needs to happen. I think we should offer BSU and SDSU all sports invites along with Gonzaga,,,, YES GONZAGA. That'll really put the pressure on BYU to catch possible their last chance out of their self imposed irrelevance. Then the AAC could have two legit divisions for football and one division for basketball. I would split the Olympic sports into 2 divisions that only meet for conference championships. All problems solved. The issue would be if that'll trigger a renegotiation of our contract and would espn be willing to pay?? Would they at least still be willing to pay the 10mi per team with a gor and would our top teams feel comfortable enough to sign it. I personally don't think that the current p5 conferences are ever going to expand especially if the playoffs expand to eight.
(12-23-2020 08:50 PM)BSUTOP25 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2020 07:01 PM)Foreverandever Wrote: [ -> ]Boise can't even win it's own weak conference half the time. It's only relevant season since the CFP was six years ago. They have huge financial issues, brand new AD brand new Coach.
It's over. They hung themselves and hamstrung the MW to do it. Most high school kids have no idea who Boise is and most of the country won't pay attention to them unless they show up in a NY6 and then people will be like oh yeah Boise. So important their bowl game got cancelled two years ago and they stayed home this year.
Nothing about that says ND anything.
You’re a Tulsa fan. Lmao!!!
And this year Tulsa was in the final CFP ranking after a ccg loss and Boise was nowhere to be found. Tulsa has a chance for a bowl win over an SEC team, and Boise reportedly bailed on playing Army.
He's got a point. You don't.
(12-23-2020 09:01 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2020 08:50 PM)BSUTOP25 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2020 07:01 PM)Foreverandever Wrote: [ -> ]Boise can't even win it's own weak conference half the time. It's only relevant season since the CFP was six years ago. They have huge financial issues, brand new AD brand new Coach.
It's over. They hung themselves and hamstrung the MW to do it. Most high school kids have no idea who Boise is and most of the country won't pay attention to them unless they show up in a NY6 and then people will be like oh yeah Boise. So important their bowl game got cancelled two years ago and they stayed home this year.
Nothing about that says ND anything.
You’re a Tulsa fan. Lmao!!!
And this year Tulsa was in the final CFP ranking after a ccg loss and Boise was nowhere to be found. Tulsa has a chance for a bowl win over an SEC team, and Boise reportedly bailed on playing Army.
He's got a point. You don't.
No he doesn’t. Nobody cares or even knows about Tulsa ... not even those who live in Tulsa.
They can be the "Notre Dame" of the G5 for all I care.
I think Notre Dame is a bunch of idiots.
They can ask me. I have a succinct answer
