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(07-28-2021 01:37 PM)bearcatmark Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-28-2021 12:41 PM)BearcatMan Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-28-2021 12:28 PM)doss2 Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-28-2021 12:12 PM)BearcatMan Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-28-2021 12:08 PM)doss2 Wrote: [ -> ]Future SEC Pods:

North: KY MO TN VANDY
West: TAMU TX OK AR
South: FL SC GA AUB
Central: AL MS MSS LSU

There is no chance they would put Georgia, Auburn, and Florida in one pod and have the mouthbreathers in the north together.

I used geography. How do you think they do it?

Florida, Kentucky, South Carolina, Georgia
Auburn, Alabama, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
Mississippi, Mississippi State, LSU, TAMU
Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Mizzou

Exactly.

Time will tell, then again they may not want Pods, which resembles the NFL. Wait the SEC is NFL Jr.

(07-28-2021 11:38 AM)doss2 Wrote: [ -> ]Bill Shakespeare said "What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet."

But I think it stupidly may matter. What if years ago UC had changed it's name?

Let us see:

Ohio Polytechnic University OPU
Ohio Institute of Technology OIT
Ohio Technology University OTU

I keep hearing some conferences object to associating with a "City School".

Would OPU or OIT be easier to sell as the #2 Ohio School (which by almost any measure we are)?

Sell to whom?

Let's exclude the PAC, not because it has a directional (USC), a city-named (UCLA) school, and a school (Stanford) named after a dead white guy, but because it's on the other end of the country. No chance UC would ever consider or be considered by the PAC for that reason alone.

The B1G doesn't have an city-named school, but it does have a directional one (Northwestern). And it has Purdue and Rutgers, each of which was named after a dead white guy. Lots of appeal in those names.

The B12 doesn't have any directional or city-named schools, but it does have Baylor, which I believe may have been named after a rapist whose offenses were swept under the rug.

The SEC has Auburn. Auburn began life in 1856 as a directional school -- the East Alabama Male College. Then it morphed into the Agricultural and Mechanical School of Alabama. Pretty catchy, eh? And then, for reasons nobody can explain, it was renamed Auburn in 1960. Was Auburn named after Auburn, AL, or vice versa? Does it even matter? And then there's Vanderbilt, a private school named after another dead white guy, albeit a rich one.

And finally, there's the ACC, whose membership includes (in alphabetical order) Boston College, Louisville, Miami, Pittsburgh, and Syracuse. Let me hazard a guess that the ACC wouldn't discriminate against a school with a city name. Then there's Duke, named after a family who made its fortune poisoning generations of Americans with tobacco products. Wake Forest is another ACC school named after its original location in Wake Forest, a municipality north of Raleigh. The school later relocated to Winston-Salem. And finally, Clemson was named after a former slave-owner who inherited his wealth from his wife.

Sure, there are folks who might discriminate against UC because it's named after (drum-roll) a city that was named in honor of the Society of the Cincinnati, whose original membership comprised citizen-soldiers who fought in the Revolutionary War. The society remains extant today.

(07-28-2021 02:06 PM)colohank Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-28-2021 11:38 AM)doss2 Wrote: [ -> ]Bill Shakespeare said "What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet."

But I think it stupidly may matter. What if years ago UC had changed it's name?

Let us see:

Ohio Polytechnic University OPU
Ohio Institute of Technology OIT
Ohio Technology University OTU

I keep hearing some conferences object to associating with a "City School".

Would OPU or OIT be easier to sell as the #2 Ohio School (which by almost any measure we are)?

Sell to whom?

Let's exclude the PAC, not because it has a directional (USC), a city-named (UCLA) school, and a school (Stanford) named after a dead white guy, but because it's on the other end of the country. No chance UC would ever consider or be considered by the PAC for that reason alone.

The B1G doesn't have an city-named school, but it does have a directional one (Northwestern). And it has Purdue and Rutgers, each of which was named after a dead white guy. Lots of appeal in those names.

The B12 doesn't have any directional or city-named schools, but it does have Baylor, which I believe may have been named after a rapist whose offenses were swept under the rug.

The SEC has Auburn. Auburn began life in 1856 as a directional school -- the East Alabama Male College. Then it morphed into the Agricultural and Mechanical School of Alabama. Pretty catchy, eh? And then, for reasons nobody can explain, it was renamed Auburn in 1960. Was Auburn named after Auburn, AL, or vice versa? Does it even matter? And then there's Vanderbilt, a private school named after another dead white guy, albeit a rich one.

And finally, there's the ACC, whose membership includes (in alphabetical order) Boston College, Louisville, Miami, Pittsburgh, and Syracuse. Let me hazard a guess that the ACC wouldn't discriminate against a school with a city name. Then there's Duke, named after a family who made its fortune poisoning generations of Americans with tobacco products. Wake Forest is another ACC school named after its original location in Wake Forest, a municipality north of Raleigh. The school later relocated to Winston-Salem. And finally, Clemson was named after a former slave-owner who inherited his wealth from his wife.

Sure, there are folks who might discriminate against UC because it's named after (drum-roll) a city that was named in honor of the Society of the Cincinnati, whose original membership comprised citizen-soldiers who fought in the Revolutionary War. The society remains extant today.

Good thing the founders of UC did not stick with the original intended name of the school- McMicken University.

Maybe the ACC is the only conference that prefers city-named schools. They skipped right over Kentucky State, North Carolina A&T, South Carolina State, and Virginia State to add city-named schools like Miami, Boston College, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, and Louisville.

(07-28-2021 02:06 PM)colohank Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-28-2021 11:38 AM)doss2 Wrote: [ -> ]Bill Shakespeare said "What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet."

But I think it stupidly may matter. What if years ago UC had changed it's name?

Let us see:

Ohio Polytechnic University OPU
Ohio Institute of Technology OIT
Ohio Technology University OTU

I keep hearing some conferences object to associating with a "City School".

Would OPU or OIT be easier to sell as the #2 Ohio School (which by almost any measure we are)?

Sell to whom?

Let's exclude the PAC, not because it has a directional (USC), a city-named (UCLA) school, and a school (Stanford) named after a dead white guy, but because it's on the other end of the country. No chance UC would ever consider or be considered by the PAC for that reason alone.

The B1G doesn't have an city-named school, but it does have a directional one (Northwestern). And it has Purdue and Rutgers, each of which was named after a dead white guy. Lots of appeal in those names.

The B12 doesn't have any directional or city-named schools, but it does have Baylor, which I believe may have been named after a rapist whose offenses were swept under the rug.

The SEC has Auburn. Auburn began life in 1856 as a directional school -- the East Alabama Male College. Then it morphed into the Agricultural and Mechanical School of Alabama. Pretty catchy, eh? And then, for reasons nobody can explain, it was renamed Auburn in 1960. Was Auburn named after Auburn, AL, or vice versa? Does it even matter? And then there's Vanderbilt, a private school named after another dead white guy, albeit a rich one.

And finally, there's the ACC, whose membership includes (in alphabetical order) Boston College, Louisville, Miami, Pittsburgh, and Syracuse. Let me hazard a guess that the ACC wouldn't discriminate against a school with a city name. Then there's Duke, named after a family who made its fortune poisoning generations of Americans with tobacco products. Wake Forest is another ACC school named after its original location in Wake Forest, a municipality north of Raleigh. The school later relocated to Winston-Salem. And finally, Clemson was named after a former slave-owner who inherited his wealth from his wife.

Sure, there are folks who might discriminate against UC because it's named after (drum-roll) a city that was named in honor of the Society of the Cincinnati, whose original membership comprised citizen-soldiers who fought in the Revolutionary War. The society remains extant today.

I think you missed the part where the Vanderbilt family owned slaves. Not sure how they are still allowed to keep the name.

(07-28-2021 11:59 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know who this guy is but don't disagree with some of his analysis...

Not sure if anyone mentioned it, but he worked for ESPN for years in the College Football World.

(07-28-2021 02:57 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe the ACC is the only conference that prefers city-named schools. They skipped right over Kentucky State, North Carolina A&T, South Carolina State, and Virginia State to add city-named schools like Miami, Boston College, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, and Louisville.

Go over to some ACC boards or to their individual team boards and you'll see the old guard ACC schools like lament the the additions of BC, Pitt, Syracuse and Louisville. If they had their way there would be no schools north of Charlottesville. Of course, their objections to those schools are more to do with crummy football and being outside the south.

(07-28-2021 02:06 PM)colohank Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-28-2021 11:38 AM)doss2 Wrote: [ -> ]Bill Shakespeare said "What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet."

But I think it stupidly may matter. What if years ago UC had changed it's name?

Let us see:

Ohio Polytechnic University OPU
Ohio Institute of Technology OIT
Ohio Technology University OTU

I keep hearing some conferences object to associating with a "City School".

Would OPU or OIT be easier to sell as the #2 Ohio School (which by almost any measure we are)?

Sell to whom?

Let's exclude the PAC, not because it has a directional (USC), a city-named (UCLA) school, and a school (Stanford) named after a dead white guy, but because it's on the other end of the country. No chance UC would ever consider or be considered by the PAC for that reason alone.

The B1G doesn't have an city-named school, but it does have a directional one (Northwestern). And it has Purdue and Rutgers, each of which was named after a dead white guy. Lots of appeal in those names.

The B12 doesn't have any directional or city-named schools, but it does have Baylor, which I believe may have been named after a rapist whose offenses were swept under the rug.

The SEC has Auburn. Auburn began life in 1856 as a directional school -- the East Alabama Male College. Then it morphed into the Agricultural and Mechanical School of Alabama. Pretty catchy, eh? And then, for reasons nobody can explain, it was renamed Auburn in 1960. Was Auburn named after Auburn, AL, or vice versa? Does it even matter? And then there's Vanderbilt, a private school named after another dead white guy, albeit a rich one.

And finally, there's the ACC, whose membership includes (in alphabetical order) Boston College, Louisville, Miami, Pittsburgh, and Syracuse. Let me hazard a guess that the ACC wouldn't discriminate against a school with a city name. Then there's Duke, named after a family who made its fortune poisoning generations of Americans with tobacco products. Wake Forest is another ACC school named after its original location in Wake Forest, a municipality north of Raleigh. The school later relocated to Winston-Salem. And finally, Clemson was named after a former slave-owner who inherited his wealth from his wife.

Sure, there are folks who might discriminate against UC because it's named after (drum-roll) a city that was named in honor of the Society of the Cincinnati, whose original membership comprised citizen-soldiers who fought in the Revolutionary War. The society remains extant today.

Auburn was always called Auburn much the same way the University of the South is called Sewanee. It finally became official is all.


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(07-28-2021 03:44 PM)CliftonAve Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-28-2021 02:57 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe the ACC is the only conference that prefers city-named schools. They skipped right over Kentucky State, North Carolina A&T, South Carolina State, and Virginia State to add city-named schools like Miami, Boston College, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, and Louisville.

Go over to some ACC boards or to their individual team boards and you'll see the old guard ACC schools like lament the the additions of BC, Pitt, Syracuse and Louisville. If they had their way there would be no schools north of Charlottesville. Of course, their objections to those schools are more to do with crummy football and being outside the south.

Without question, the realignment actions of the past decade or so suggest that conferences have collectively lost their way. Geographic proximity and institutional commonalities were sacrificed for near term financial gains.

One has to wonder if the latest is actually the beginning to the end of conferences. Some have suggested the best x number of programs--pick it, 60 or 90, become an alliance only and scheduling occurs on a regional basis to restore some sense of rivalries and traditions.

For UC, I remain convinced there is a fair chance that the TX/OK move does not result in further movement at the present time. Maybe I've just become accustomed to negative outcomes, post Big-East.

Awesome!

The B12 just sent a cease and desist letter to ESPN regarding doing that voodoo that they do when it comes to moving chips around on the realignment board. I hear the pitter patter of little litigator feet drafting claims including tortious interference.

(07-28-2021 04:30 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]Awesome!

The B12 just sent a cease and desist letter to ESPN regarding doing that voodoo that they do when it comes to moving chips around on the realignment board. I hear the pitter patter of little litigator feet drafting claims including tortious interference.

Big XII about to get nuked from orbit. Nobody tells ESPN what to do.

I’m hoping Fox and the SEC get dragged into the fight. It will be glorious.

(07-28-2021 04:30 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]Awesome!

The B12 just sent a cease and desist letter to ESPN regarding doing that voodoo that they do when it comes to moving chips around on the realignment board. I hear the pitter patter of little litigator feet drafting claims including tortious interference.

Just read the letter, signed solely by Bowlsby. He alleges in addition to the Tx/OU to the SEC matter, the network is now engaging in discussions with another school in the conference in an effort to get them to bail.

(07-28-2021 04:30 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]Awesome!

The B12 just sent a cease and desist letter to ESPN regarding doing that voodoo that they do when it comes to moving chips around on the realignment board. I hear the pitter patter of little litigator feet drafting claims including tortious interference.

Mmmmm. Love me some tortious, just add a little salsa and sour cream and Bam!

(07-26-2021 08:03 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote: [ -> ]That's actually why I think UT and OU have a vested interest in blowing up the Conference. Proportionally, they have more to lose in exit fees than the others. I could see them (and ESPN) working very hard to exert whatever influence they have to make the B12 collapse in order to (a) allow UT and OU to get out without penalty, and (b) to allow UT and OU to get out without penalty BEFORE 2025. If ESPN can leverage some of it's other assets to move to take enough of the other B12 assets (relatively small potatoes compared to the penalties OU and UT would pay) and the Conference collapses, then...easy-peasy, everyone walks away (except the couple left out in the cold) and no messy entanglements.

I said thusly...

A little fuggin' late ain't ya Billy Bob? Should've been building up your conference proactively and protecting your two biggest brands.

The mouse isn't gonna like that one

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(07-28-2021 04:30 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]Awesome!

The B12 just sent a cease and desist letter to ESPN regarding doing that voodoo that they do when it comes to moving chips around on the realignment board. I hear the pitter patter of little litigator feet drafting claims including tortious interference.

Bowlsby's letter and the filing alleges that ESPN conspired with the SEC and The American...might get interesting.

Dennis Dodd is tweeting ESPN is conspiring to get 3-5 leftovers into the AAC. He will have a full story later tonight. [/align]

(07-28-2021 05:16 PM)CliftonAve Wrote: [ -> ]Just read the letter, signed solely by Bowlsby. He alleges in addition to the Tx/OU to the SEC matter, the network is now engaging in discussions with another school in the conference in an effort to get them to bail.

I'd bet a huge sum of money on it being WVU and ESPN trying to force them into the ACC, even if some of the member schools balk. Do I think it happens? No, not until other dominoes start falling that are a lot more important.

None of the other schools make sense for the ACC and the SEC certainly ain't throwing a life jacket to anybody else in the Big XII.