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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...ators.html

Quote:Watergate reporter Carl Bernstein has called out 21 Republican senators who he says have expressed 'extreme contempt' for President Trump in private - but have refused to air their grievances in public.
Bernstein accused the senators - including the likes of Mitt Romney, Marco Rubio, Chuck Grassley and Susan Collins - of a 'craven silence' that has 'enabled Trump's most grievous conduct'.

If this is true, and it bothers me to see some names on the list, namely Senator Tim Scott, who I admire and figured would be an exemplary candidate for President in 2024.

So, if they believe in Republican values, but have expressed "extreme contempt" for Trump, how does that make them RINOs? Are you implying that one most be full on board with Trump to even be considered a Republican?

(11-23-2020 12:08 PM)RobUCF Wrote: [ -> ]So, if they believe in Republican values, but have expressed "extreme contempt" for Trump, how does that make them RINOs? Are you implying that one most be full on board with Trump to even be considered a Republican?

I don't consider ANY republican who is willing to sell out the office to the radical left just because they don't like the "personality" of the conservative in office a true conservative. You don't just sell out your stance on policies over a difference in personality if you truly align with a policy. If that's all it takes to sell out, than you're a useless, flippant bag of hot air in my opinion. I hold more respect for people like AOC in that aspect. She has her policies she supports (albeit they disgust me), but the chances she'd sell out on them because of a personality disagreement on the left is indeed quite low. That's what the typical GOP politicians don't understand. They're almost always willing to sell out if it helps them somehow, whereas their opposition always stands firm... which is exactly why this country continues to drift left of center.

Tim Scott being on that list is a surprise considering howclosely he has worked with the President on CJ reform. The others not so much

(11-23-2020 12:15 PM)solohawks Wrote: [ -> ]Tim Scott being on that list is a surprise considering howclosely he has worked with the President on CJ reform. The others not so much

Agree.

(11-23-2020 12:15 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-23-2020 12:15 PM)solohawks Wrote: [ -> ]Tim Scott being on that list is a surprise considering howclosely he has worked with the President on CJ reform. The others not so much

Agree.

Rick Scott?

(11-23-2020 12:40 PM)RobUCF Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-23-2020 12:15 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-23-2020 12:15 PM)solohawks Wrote: [ -> ]Tim Scott being on that list is a surprise considering howclosely he has worked with the President on CJ reform. The others not so much

Agree.

Rick Scott?

No. Rick Scott being a turd isn't surprising.

Considering the source, a Trump-hating liberal journalist, this "disdain" he speaks of could be anything, which is why his accusations are very vague.

Heck, I don't know that I've met a Trump fan who hasn't said something disparaging about a Trump tweet or something he's said at one point or another. I have a friend who absolutely idolizes Trump who said that Trump was a pompous blowhard but.....he followed up by saying that Trump gets shiite done. Me thinks Bernstein's efforts here have an ulterior motive...such as causing distrust among Republicans. This is normal leftist procedure.

The policy matters more than the personality when it comes to conservatism. I also don’t want to be lectured by anyone on the left about morals or values when virtually all fell in line and defended Bill Clinton for nearly an entire decade. Spare me.

Republicans are basically a herd of cats these days, with no leadership from the top of the congressional delegations. Milquetoast Mitch couldn't lead a sex addict to a whorehouse, and McCarthy is so innocuous that I still have to look up his name every time I want to post about him.

I despise Pelosi and Schumer, but at least they are leaders who are focused on the objective of grabbing ever more power. I'm counting on republicans to save me from the democrat vision for the USA, which is quite frankly a country where I don't want to live. Democrats focus on winning elections, because building power is all that matters to them. I don't have a clue what republicans focus on, but it sure as heck isn't maintaining the integrity of a capitalist republic.

I am very much a man without a party. I don't want any part of what democrats want, and republicans are doing a terrible job of protecting me from that.

(11-23-2020 01:00 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: [ -> ]Republicans are basically a herd of cats these days, with no leadership from the top of the congressional delegations. Milquetoast Mitch couldn't lead a sex addict to a whorehouse, and McCarthy is so innocuous that I still have to look up his name every time I want to post about him.

I despise Pelosi and Schumer, but at least they are leaders who are focused on the objective of grabbing ever more power. I'm counting on republicans to save me from the democrat vision for the USA, which is quite frankly a country where I don't want to live. Democrats focus on winning elections, because building power is all that matters to them. I don't have a clue what republicans focus on, but it sure as heck isn't maintaining the integrity of a capitalist republic.

I am very much a man without a party. I don't want any part of what democrats want, and republicans are doing a terrible job of protecting me from that.

(11-23-2020 12:08 PM)RobUCF Wrote: [ -> ]So, if they believe in Republican values, but have expressed "extreme contempt" for Trump, how does that make them RINOs? Are you implying that one most be full on board with Trump to even be considered a Republican?

And calling Trump a conservative is quite the stretch... he’s socially conservative but he is not remotely close to being a fiscal conservative. Trump is a populist.

(11-23-2020 01:10 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-23-2020 12:08 PM)RobUCF Wrote: [ -> ]So, if they believe in Republican values, but have expressed "extreme contempt" for Trump, how does that make them RINOs? Are you implying that one most be full on board with Trump to even be considered a Republican?

And calling Trump a conservative is quite the stretch... he’s socially conservative but he is not remotely close to being a fiscal conservative. Trump is a populist.

Which I would gladly take any day over a globalist.

Can we trust the lame stream media?

(11-23-2020 12:56 PM)WKUApollo Wrote: [ -> ]Considering the source, a Trump-hating liberal journalist, this "disdain" he speaks of could be anything, which is why his accusations are very vague.

Heck, I don't know that I've met a Trump fan who hasn't said something disparaging about a Trump tweet or something he's said at one point or another. I have a friend who absolutely idolizes Trump who said that Trump was a pompous blowhard but.....he followed up by saying that Trump gets shiite done. Me thinks Bernstein's efforts here have an ulterior motive...such as causing distrust among Republicans. This is normal leftist procedure.

Agreed.

Plus, what is his point in this? To "punish" them? What about the ones who didn't say anything negative? So some get "punished" and the rest get "deprogrammed?":cheers:

(11-23-2020 12:56 PM)WKUApollo Wrote: [ -> ]Considering the source, a Trump-hating liberal journalist, this "disdain" he speaks of could be anything, which is why his accusations are very vague.

Heck, I don't know that I've met a Trump fan who hasn't said something disparaging about a Trump tweet or something he's said at one point or another. I have a friend who absolutely idolizes Trump who said that Trump was a pompous blowhard but.....he followed up by saying that Trump gets shiite done. Me thinks Bernstein's efforts here have an ulterior motive...such as causing distrust among Republicans. This is normal leftist procedure.

Personally, I distrust anything a Leftists says or writes. They have an agenda and it stems from their desire for complete control. That's Goebbels worthy propaganda. I own a book full of Nazi propaganda and if one didn't know the evil in that empire you would be agreeing with a lot of what the write. I do not like, I do not trust and I do not agree with most 99% of their speaking points. So as for Bernstein what makes him any smarter than the people here, nothing at all.

(11-23-2020 12:00 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...ators.html

Quote:Watergate reporter Carl Bernstein has called out 21 Republican senators who he says have expressed 'extreme contempt' for President Trump in private - but have refused to air their grievances in public.
Bernstein accused the senators - including the likes of Mitt Romney, Marco Rubio, Chuck Grassley and Susan Collins - of a 'craven silence' that has 'enabled Trump's most grievous conduct'.

If this is true, and it bothers me to see some names on the list, namely Senator Tim Scott, who I admire and figured would be an exemplary candidate for President in 2024.

So what? They despise Trump. Any idea how many Democrats despised Johnson or how many Republicans despised Reagan? Heck, many elected Democrats privately despise Biden. Many elected Democrats currently despise AOC and her gaggle of idiots.

This is a "non-story" story. There are always people within the party that dislike a leader who is leading change---and people who want change within the party typically despise the leaders who resist change. This is hardly news.

Frankly, what I see is a great reshuffling of the voting blocks that support each party. That reshuffling is well underway and that is why you see so much in fighting on both sides right now. The results of the current reshuffle will define the face of each party for the next generation or so.

(11-23-2020 01:10 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-23-2020 12:08 PM)RobUCF Wrote: [ -> ]So, if they believe in Republican values, but have expressed "extreme contempt" for Trump, how does that make them RINOs? Are you implying that one most be full on board with Trump to even be considered a Republican?

And calling Trump a conservative is quite the stretch... he’s socially conservative but he is not remotely close to being a fiscal conservative. Trump is a populist.

Exactly. And populists typically anger the establishment politicians on both sides of the aisle.

Trump made some very real gains with minorities and the working class. Where he lost was that "traditional" republicans did not support him. The challenge for republicans going forward is to figure out how to hang on to the gains that Trump made while reuniting with their historical base.

I am basically libertarian, pro-growth, strong military, and non-interventionist. I've laid out my ideas in detail on here and won't repeat now.

I hate to admit it, because he was something of a Bircher nutcase, not to mention the father of Mary Kay Letourneau, but John Schmitz enunciated three rules that I would be happy with:

Domestic policy--People who work should live better than people who don't work.
Military policy--Never fight a war that you don't intend to win.
Foreign policy--Treat your friends better than you treat your enemies.

There is no national path for republicans without the Trump base.

(11-23-2020 01:49 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-23-2020 01:10 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-23-2020 12:08 PM)RobUCF Wrote: [ -> ]So, if they believe in Republican values, but have expressed "extreme contempt" for Trump, how does that make them RINOs? Are you implying that one most be full on board with Trump to even be considered a Republican?

And calling Trump a conservative is quite the stretch... he’s socially conservative but he is not remotely close to being a fiscal conservative. Trump is a populist.

Exactly. And populists typically anger the establishment politicians on both sides of the aisle.

Trump made some very real gains with minorities and the working class. Where he lost was that "traditional" republicans did not support him. The challenge for republicans going forward is to figure out how to hang on to the gains that Trump made while reuniting with their historical base.

I am basically libertarian, pro-growth, strong military, and non-interventionist. I've laid out my ideas in detail on here and won't repeat now.

I hate to admit it, because he was something of a Bircher nutcase, not to mention the father of Mary Kay Letourneau, but John Schmitz enunciated three rules that I would be happy with:

Domestic policy--People who work should live better than people who don't work.
Military policy--Never fight a war that you don't intend to win.
Foreign policy--Treat your friends better than you treat your enemies.

1) Domestic policy--People who work should live better than people who don't work.
2) Military policy--Never fight a war that you don't intend to win.
3) Foreign policy--Treat your friends better than you treat your enemies.

That goes both ways for #3 (which has been my issue with many of our "friends"). Frankly, I love those 3 guiding principals. They seem like simple common sense to me. Perhaps thats why I've largely been quite pleased with the way Trump has governed. He basically leads with simple common sense.