(11-18-2020 11:37 AM)Hambone10 Wrote: [ -> ]Thanks for the wishes Tom.
As to the election, I recall that there was at least one state that allowed counting through December... Wasn't PA something like 15 days themselves?? and the election isn't 'certified' until that happens. All these projections and logical inferences don't make any difference... and all of these fake concerns about Biden being kept out of meetings is a bunch of crap. The rules are what the rules are. It was different under Bush/Obama/McCain because both guys were sitting Senators and access would have been allowed. Joe Biden does not have a security clearance and won't be given one until the election is certified. Clinton made an exception with Bush and that is great and would be great if Trump did that as well, but Clinton wasn't running for office and contesting the outcome. Gore was. It seems obvious that if Trump decided to 'waive' the laws about access, that would be used against him by both the media and the courts in his legal challenges. Anyone who disagrees is just wrong.
Trump COULD include him and IMO should drop the bs suits and do so, but the LAW SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDES him until the election is certified... and Trump is challenging that.
Those ARE the rules.
While delaying the resources to Biden is mostly window dressing, there are real world implications. The 9/11 commission cited the protracted Bush-Gore certification as a factor in our preparedness.
And as you're aware, we are in a pandemic and are currently planning on how we will disburse millions of doses of vaccines across the country. Personally, I think it makes a lot of sense to have the incoming administration involved in those discussions since the responsibility will be theirs come January 21.
Quote:The vote tabulation company at the centre of several controversies surrounding the legitimacy of the American presidential election shares an office floor with the Tides Foundation.
Tides, which recently changed its name to Make Way, is an extreme left eco-radical charity that directs cash supplied by George Soros to smaller groups and organizations to advance the globalist agenda of Soros.
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Rebel News was on location inside the Dominion Voting building located at 215 Spadina Avenue in Toronto, and my camera crew and I were actually removed by a building manager.
But before he stopped us for committing the heinous offence of journalism, we learned that Tides and Dominion requested the building manager remove all signage and references to their shared building occupancy. Why would they do that?
The close working relationship that the company and charity have raises even more questions about the security of the American election.
Are the radical employees of George Soros able to access the same desks, filing cabinets, servers, and Wi-Fi of Dominion Voting? Are any extra security protocols taken to ensure no voting data or proprietary information is protected? Of all the office space in the world, why has Dominion Voting occupied that office space since 2013?
(11-18-2020 11:37 AM)Hambone10 Wrote: [ -> ]Thanks for the wishes Tom.
As to the election, I recall that there was at least one state that allowed counting through December... Wasn't PA something like 15 days themselves?? and the election isn't 'certified' until that happens. All these projections and logical inferences don't make any difference... and all of these fake concerns about Biden being kept out of meetings is a bunch of crap. The rules are what the rules are. It was different under Bush/Obama/McCain because both guys were sitting Senators and access would have been allowed. Joe Biden does not have a security clearance and won't be given one until the election is certified. Clinton made an exception with Bush and that is great and would be great if Trump did that as well, but Clinton wasn't running for office and contesting the outcome. Gore was. It seems obvious that if Trump decided to 'waive' the laws about access, that would be used against him by both the media and the courts in his legal challenges. Anyone who disagrees is just wrong.
Trump COULD include him and IMO should drop the bs suits and do so, but the LAW SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDES him until the election is certified... and Trump is challenging that.
Those ARE the rules.
While delaying the resources to Biden is mostly window dressing, there are real world implications. The 9/11 commission cited the protracted Bush-Gore certification as a factor in our preparedness.
Well, they were wrong. Bill Clinton being a cuck and Jamie Gorelick were the reasons for 9/11.
(11-18-2020 01:14 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ]While delaying the resources to Biden is mostly window dressing, there are real world implications. The 9/11 commission cited the protracted Bush-Gore certification as a factor in our preparedness.
And as you're aware, we are in a pandemic and are currently planning on how we will disburse millions of doses of vaccines across the country. Personally, I think it makes a lot of sense to have the incoming administration involved in those discussions since the responsibility will be theirs come January 21.
I don't recall that in the report... and I'd take that with a ridiculously large grain of salt... but if you want to place blame then go ahead... on the states who haven't yet certified their elections. There are 15 states for which the certification date is in December. Even a few of the contested states don't certify until later this month. Nothing that happens between now and then really matters. Again, those are the rules. California won't certify THEIR results until Dec 11. There IS a process in place in the event that we don't know who is President by 1/20/21. Obviously this is something that has been anticipated... and for probably more than a century before COVID.
As for Covid: unlike 9/11, the 'enemy' does not anticipate nor react to things like regime change.... and Biden doesn't need top secret access to get a full understanding of what is going on nor to get briefings from the CDC. There are numerous Democratic Senators, not to mention the press who can inform him if he can't get access to something... but again, that is incredibly unlikely. SInce it IS such an obvious issue, I'd think that he'd be mostly on top of it already... and the difference between 60 days and 90 of prep time is immaterial. This isn't remotely like 9/11... which SOME may argue might have been uncovered without job changes... Said differently... if the attack was planned around the regime change, then that would have happened whether it were 60 or 90 days in... and it would be pure speculation that it would have made a difference... Unless you're saying that people don't do their jobs during a shift of power. Maybe Congress should think about that when they take months to approve cabinet appointees.
Last headline I read (which may be VERY dated) there were still some Democrats hoping to take control of the Senate... I suspect that Biden's position on some things would be different if that happens. Elections, even tight ones, have consequences. Not all of them are good.
(11-18-2020 01:14 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ]While delaying the resources to Biden is mostly window dressing, there are real world implications. The 9/11 commission cited the protracted Bush-Gore certification as a factor in our preparedness.
And as you're aware, we are in a pandemic and are currently planning on how we will disburse millions of doses of vaccines across the country. Personally, I think it makes a lot of sense to have the incoming administration involved in those discussions since the responsibility will be theirs come January 21.
I don't recall that in the report... and I'd take that with a ridiculously large grain of salt... but if you want to place blame then go ahead... on the states who haven't yet certified their elections. There are 15 states for which the certification date is in December. Even a few of the contested states don't certify until later this month. Nothing that happens between now and then really matters. Again, those are the rules. California won't certify THEIR results until Dec 11. There IS a process in place in the event that we don't know who is President by 1/20/21. Obviously this is something that has been anticipated... and for probably more than a century before COVID.
As for Covid: unlike 9/11, the 'enemy' does not anticipate nor react to things like regime change.... and Biden doesn't need top secret access to get a full understanding of what is going on nor to get briefings from the CDC. There are numerous Democratic Senators, not to mention the press who can inform him if he can't get access to something... but again, that is incredibly unlikely. SInce it IS such an obvious issue, I'd think that he'd be mostly on top of it already... and the difference between 60 days and 90 of prep time is immaterial. This isn't remotely like 9/11... which SOME may argue might have been uncovered without job changes... Said differently... if the attack was planned around the regime change, then that would have happened whether it were 60 or 90 days in... and it would be pure speculation that it would have made a difference... Unless you're saying that people don't do their jobs during a shift of power. Maybe Congress should think about that when they take months to approve cabinet appointees.
Last headline I read (which may be VERY dated) there were still some Democrats hoping to take control of the Senate... I suspect that Biden's position on some things would be different if that happens. Elections, even tight ones, have consequences. Not all of them are good.
Quote:George W. Bush’s Chief of Staff Andy Card told CNBC that “it’s concerning” that the Trump administration has refused to cooperate with President-elect Biden’s transition team, as the nation faces the worst public health crisis in a century.
“This pandemic demands that we get it [democracy] to work, and I don’t know why the Trump administration won’t share the details of trying to get vaccines into the states to the people at the right time, the right way, and mitigate the problem,” said Card.
“The 9/11 Commission had said if there had been a longer transition and there had been cooperation, there might have been a better response, or maybe not even any attack,” the former chief of staff said. “This is very serious, so we’re calling on the president to open up the transition office, give the money out, let people start transitioning, and get ready to take the baton at January 20th at noontime, even if we don’t know the full results.”
Quote:The bipartisan 9/11 Commission in 2002 identified the delayed presidential transition at the beginning of the previous year as one of the causes behind what amounted to the most consequential terrorist attack this century. And it specified that outgoing administrations must help prepare their successors to prevent another "catastrophic attack that could occur with little or no notice."
The 9/11 Commission, assembled by Congress in 2002 to better understand what allowed for those attacks to take place, cited specific vulnerabilities caused by the delay in the George W. Bush administration's assumption of power following delays caused by the contested election in late 2000 and early 2001. A delay in the process to confirm incoming national security officials prevented their taking office for months and forestalled their access to the information that would better help them understand how to address pressing threats, the report concludes.
For example, the report cites contemporaneous accounts at the time that indicate the incoming Bush administration officials were not immediately aware of a CIA and National Security Council staff assessment of the specific threats posed by al-Qaida leaders operating in Afghanistan and the need to empower anti-Taliban forces there to undermine the efforts of terrorist organizers and their local enablers.
Among its subsequent recommendations, the committee stated, "The outgoing administration should provide the president-elect, as soon as possible after Election Day, with classified, compartmented list that catalogues specific, operational threats to national security; major military or covert operations; and pending decisions on the possible use of force."
"Such a document could provide both notice and a checklist, inviting a president-elect to inquire and learn more," the committee concluded.
(11-18-2020 11:37 AM)Hambone10 Wrote: [ -> ]Thanks for the wishes Tom.
As to the election, I recall that there was at least one state that allowed counting through December... Wasn't PA something like 15 days themselves?? and the election isn't 'certified' until that happens. All these projections and logical inferences don't make any difference... and all of these fake concerns about Biden being kept out of meetings is a bunch of crap. The rules are what the rules are. It was different under Bush/Obama/McCain because both guys were sitting Senators and access would have been allowed. Joe Biden does not have a security clearance and won't be given one until the election is certified. Clinton made an exception with Bush and that is great and would be great if Trump did that as well, but Clinton wasn't running for office and contesting the outcome. Gore was. It seems obvious that if Trump decided to 'waive' the laws about access, that would be used against him by both the media and the courts in his legal challenges. Anyone who disagrees is just wrong.
Trump COULD include him and IMO should drop the bs suits and do so, but the LAW SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDES him until the election is certified... and Trump is challenging that.
Those ARE the rules.
While delaying the resources to Biden is mostly window dressing, there are real world implications. The 9/11 commission cited the protracted Bush-Gore certification as a factor in our preparedness.
And as you're aware, we are in a pandemic and are currently planning on how we will disburse millions of doses of vaccines across the country. Personally, I think it makes a lot of sense to have the incoming administration involved in those discussions since the responsibility will be theirs come January 21.
What about the resources (Cabinet positions filled) that the Democrats delayed Trump from getting for years just out of spite? No real world implications there?
Yep.. Still nothing that says that President Elect is decided by the media.
So until:
1. Trump exhausts all his legal avenues and concedes
2. States certify the votes
or
3. The electoral college elects Biden
There's not a reason to begin the transition. Besides Trump is still the POTUS, I know the left forgets that and is ready to move Biden* into the WH, but he doesn't get to move in until January.
Quote:George W. Bush’s Chief of Staff Andy Card told CNBC that “it’s concerning” that the Trump administration has refused to cooperate with President-elect Biden’s transition team, as the nation faces the worst public health crisis in a century.
Meh...
a) this has nothing to do with anything I said
b) do you really think Andy Card knows much about what is going on today?
c) I'm not surprised at all that a former Bush official in charge of Iraq would deflect responsibility for the 9/11 attack. Essentially that implies that a month delay can't be made up in the next 10 months? I suspect it was the entire process of transition including the replacing of numerous officials and not merely the first 30 days. If you want to solve it, maybe we should have Biden serve for the next year as an apprentice to ensure he knows whats going on (at least as much as he ever will) and to get his team in place?? Swear him in in 2022. I'd be okay with extending his term until 2026 (if he lives that long). As I said, Biden has the luxury of knowing a whole lot about this 'attack'. There is little in the way of 'classified' data surrounding the virus... Outside of potentially taking action against China, I doubt there is any classified data at all. To compare the two is a clear act of meaningless politicization. I think Trump should move on, but he is under no obligation to... and the nation is not any more 'at risk' if he doesn't.
(11-18-2020 03:15 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: [ -> ]At this point, does Biden possess a security clearance? At what level?
If he doesn't, it would be illegal to share classified information with him, or information classified above the level he holds.
Of course, he is probably not a security risk. He probably can't remember anything long enough to be a security risk.
I brought this exact point up at work today. Will be interesting to see how this plays out IF Harris (and others) are revealing secured information to Biden*. It's a direct InfoSec violation, for sure.
(11-18-2020 03:37 PM)gdunn Wrote: [ -> ]Reading the Constitution..
Yep.. Still nothing that says that President Elect is decided by the media.
So until:
1. Trump exhausts all his legal avenues and concedes
2. States certify the votes
or
3. The electoral college elects Biden
There's not a reason to begin the transition. Besides Trump is still the POTUS, I know the left forgets that and is ready to move Biden* into the WH, but he doesn't get to move in until January.
...but, Wolf Blitzer and Co. have a bone to pick with you on that...btw, anyone wanna buy CNN?
“I was alerted to the fact that in New Mexico, outside of Bernalillo County, which is the county where Albuquerque is, there was an issue with observers not being allowed to observe that has impacted, I believe, up to 180,000 ballots — 180,000 ballots. Do you know what the difference in the state of New Mexico between Sleepy Joe Biden and the President of the United States?… It’s 99,000. That’s what it is. So, the State of New Mexico, which has always been ripe with all kinds of fraud and all kinds of issues, is definitely another state where we’re taking a hard look at.”
BREAKING: WI Elections Commission, after seeing President Trump’s recount petition and objections, is trying to change the recount manual at an emergency meeting tonight at 6 pm to make objections harder to make. This must be stopped.