(11-09-2020 10:20 AM)VA49er Wrote: [ -> ] (11-09-2020 10:10 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ] (11-09-2020 10:02 AM)bullet Wrote: [ -> ] (11-09-2020 09:14 AM)appst89 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-09-2020 09:06 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ]Just keep flailing dude, as you continually fail to present ANY evidence.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you a lawyer? If so, how many cases do you win or even present for that matter, with no evidence?
We don't know what evidence, if any they have. That's what it all comes down to. Everybody on Earth knows this election was stolen, but that knowledge is worthless unless there is evidence to back it up.
If they do have evidence, then they are smart not to release it before going to court. And, if they don't then they're just wasting their time.
I would say everybody knows there was massive fraud.
Whether there was enough to steal it, nobody really knows at this point.
No, no they don't. Nor does "everybody" even remotely allege it.
Well, "everybody" may be a stretch, but you know what they say, "if it looks and quacks like a duck, it's a duck".
We've yet to see even a duck zygote!
(11-09-2020 10:28 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ] (11-09-2020 10:20 AM)VA49er Wrote: [ -> ] (11-09-2020 10:10 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ] (11-09-2020 10:02 AM)bullet Wrote: [ -> ] (11-09-2020 09:14 AM)appst89 Wrote: [ -> ]We don't know what evidence, if any they have. That's what it all comes down to. Everybody on Earth knows this election was stolen, but that knowledge is worthless unless there is evidence to back it up.
If they do have evidence, then they are smart not to release it before going to court. And, if they don't then they're just wasting their time.
I would say everybody knows there was massive fraud.
Whether there was enough to steal it, nobody really knows at this point.
No, no they don't. Nor does "everybody" even remotely allege it.
Well, "everybody" may be a stretch, but you know what they say, "if it looks and quacks like a duck, it's a duck".
We've yet to see even a duck zygote!
Nah, it's there, some simply refuse to even acknowldege. Not saying it's enough, but it's definitely there.
(11-09-2020 10:31 AM)VA49er Wrote: [ -> ] (11-09-2020 10:28 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ] (11-09-2020 10:20 AM)VA49er Wrote: [ -> ] (11-09-2020 10:10 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ] (11-09-2020 10:02 AM)bullet Wrote: [ -> ]I would say everybody knows there was massive fraud.
Whether there was enough to steal it, nobody really knows at this point.
No, no they don't. Nor does "everybody" even remotely allege it.
Well, "everybody" may be a stretch, but you know what they say, "if it looks and quacks like a duck, it's a duck".
We've yet to see even a duck zygote!
Nah, it's there, some simply refuse to even acknowldege. Not saying it's enough, but it's definitely there.
Just. Stop.
Every state in the country had higher voting totals in 2020 compared to 2016, with the exception of one state - Mississippi (and surprise, surprise, that is one of the 6 states that offered no early voting options of any type whether via mail-in or vote-by-mail or early voting in general). Those 6 states with voting only on Election Day were among the smallest rises in vote totals, with the lone exception of South Carolina, which of course also had a very competitive Senate race on the ticket (or at least an expected competitive race, even if it wasn't that close)
Most states were about 10 percent higher - some battleground states were closer to 20 percent. The only exceptions that I see are states with exceptional growth (Texas which probably was closer to 25 percent higher and Hawaii (not sure why there but they were up about 30 percent?). Arizona is the only other state I see on quick glance that might be slightly higher than a 20 percent rise in votes from 2016 to 2020.
Nearly every state had higher vote totals for Republicans in House races than for Trump. Wisconsin as I've stated a couple of times already is absolutely legit in terms of comparing vote totals throughout the state (and in fact had one of the smaller overall vote gains). PA and GA are pretty similar in terms of their increased vote totals from 2016 to 2020, and are a bit more odd in terms of extra Presidential votes from people who didn't vote in a House race (Trump had 57K less votes than House candidates in PA and 31K less in Georgia; meanwhile Biden had 107K more votes in PA and 80K in Georgia).
Republicans did better than expected in House races and in most Senate races. It's incredibly clear that Trump had a lot of ardent supporters, but a lot of suburbanites who couldn't vote for him again in 2020 but voted Republican down-ticket. That and a much higher youth vote total were the differences. Black women were much stronger for Biden than Clinton too, but that was offset some by Latino men supporting Trump in higher numbers (or just not voting in some places).
Ignore science at your own risk - that's the bottom line.
I just read a good portion of this thread. The slow burn from the beginning of uncertainty, to the optimism that trump would win (betting odds, PA, WI, GA, etc.), then to the realization that the mail-in ballots from big cities were all coming in Biden, then the despair of defeat, and finally the hilarious claims of cheating and stealing an election. Warmed my formerly-republican heart.
(11-09-2020 10:01 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ] (11-09-2020 09:50 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-09-2020 09:06 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ] (11-09-2020 08:37 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]It was a referendum on stealing elections. It passed swimmingly. Now let’s see if enough people say they are not going to stand for it.
Anyone who voted just had their fundamental right to vote ******* nullified no matter who they voted for.
Just keep flailing dude, as you continually fail to present ANY evidence.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you a lawyer? If so, how many cases do you win or even present for that matter, with no evidence?
You are a ******* hypocrite, how can you lecture someone on their profession while sitting there on your employer’s time and money and being here in this website instead of doing your job? I bet you are the Employee of the Month right? 
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You seem upset. BTW - You off from work today...and every day you post here? Or are you retired? I thought you moved to Michigan for work.
Regardless, nowhere did I lecture him. I only asked how many cases he presents with no evidence. I also asked for evidence as nothing credible has been presented so far.
Not upset at all, just calling out your bull****, and I am actually off work today. Thank you for asking. Do you want to take me out to lunch as well?
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(11-09-2020 08:58 AM)UofMemphis Wrote: [ -> ] (11-09-2020 08:49 AM)miko33 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-09-2020 08:41 AM)UofMemphis Wrote: [ -> ] (11-09-2020 08:40 AM)banker Wrote: [ -> ] (11-09-2020 08:27 AM)UofMemphis Wrote: [ -> ]the 2020 election was a referendum on Donald Trump...it turned out badly for him
Let’s play “The election was completely on the up and up” for fun then.
nah, lets get to 1/20 so this 4 year nightmare can end.
How were the past 4 years a nightmare? Specifics please. If you say Covid, then I agree except it was a nightmare for the whole world and China was the root cause of all of it. It wasn't exclusively a Trump problem.
it should have been over when he mocked a disabled reporter and talked about grabbing em by the p***y. but it didn't...he put KKK sympathizers in key positions (bannon and sessions)...started trade wars...backed out of every climate deal we had...went to chill with NK's crazy leader...sympathized with white supremacists...the beat just goes on and on from there.
and oh yeah, the total mishandling of a worldwide pandemic that includes ignoring MDs and PhDs who want to save lives.
a national nightmare which will soon end.
KKK sympathizers- go ahead and link someone other than somebody like Vox on that one for me.
You say trade wars, I say reestablishment or fair trade.
You say back out of climate deals - I say get out of a deal where we would be forced to disproportionately fund the eco efforts of the world. Actions - we are the only major economy on the planet that has met the standards set by the Paris Climate agreement even though we weren’t in it. All the countries, France, Germany, etc. have not hit their goals. If we were still in it, that would have cost us money even though we did out part. It was a stupid agreement that was set up to shift wealth away from the US.
Obama called NK our greatest threat when leaving office. Four years of Trump and no big problems with our “Greatest threat”. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
Sympathetic to white supremacy- talking point and twisted quotes. Give specific examples.
Covid - our death and case counts are on par with Europe and currently much better trend wise. This is in spite of the fact we had less draconian lockdowns which have allowed our economy to outperform every single European country.
You missed
1st President in 100 years not to get us in to any new armed conflicts.
Substantial progress on peace in the Middle East. Something we have had no progress on in 50 years.
Fastest middle class wage growth in 60 years. The income equality gap, that thing liberals hate, contracted over the last 4 years. Minority HH income grew at its fastest rate ever.
I could list accomplishments, ones that actually fulfill things that are suppose to be important to the left, all day. But none of that matters because you were blinded with OMB and told what to believe instead of actually understanding some of the issues out there.
The fact that the two foreign governments that have expressed the most joy about Biden are Iran and China (with Russia a close third) really tells you all you need to know.
It is not a surprise that Trump is an A-hole and people are simply offended personally by his behavior.
Why is it such a stretch think that Republican voters have decided that they would vote for the Congress and Senate in their color to counter balance Biden in office. Personally I did not do that, but I am exhausted by the rhetoric in the media on a daily basis (on both sides).
The people want the politics (republican), but not the lead politician of their politics (Trump). I still think Trump is the right person to stir the pot with the left. Even though he exposed himself and his ego, he also exposed the left as an extreme left agenda pushing organization. Trump for all his personality deficiencies was fairly moderate overall. The Middle and the median are two different things; and the new Left have moved the median to the left of center. Even Rational democrats can see that and it was shown in the voting patterns of non-POTUS. Mid terms in 2 years may be an actual Red Wave as a result. If Pelosi stays in charge of congress for 2 more years, Congress will be Red.
(11-09-2020 10:35 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ] (11-09-2020 10:31 AM)VA49er Wrote: [ -> ] (11-09-2020 10:28 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ] (11-09-2020 10:20 AM)VA49er Wrote: [ -> ] (11-09-2020 10:10 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ]No, no they don't. Nor does "everybody" even remotely allege it.
Well, "everybody" may be a stretch, but you know what they say, "if it looks and quacks like a duck, it's a duck".
We've yet to see even a duck zygote!
Nah, it's there, some simply refuse to even acknowldege. Not saying it's enough, but it's definitely there.
Just. Stop.
No.
(11-09-2020 10:42 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote: [ -> ]Every state in the country had higher voting totals in 2020 compared to 2016, with the exception of one state - Mississippi (and surprise, surprise, that is one of the 6 states that offered no early voting options of any type whether via mail-in or vote-by-mail or early voting in general). Those 6 states with voting only on Election Day were among the smallest rises in vote totals, with the lone exception of South Carolina, which of course also had a very competitive Senate race on the ticket (or at least an expected competitive race, even if it wasn't that close)
Most states were about 10 percent higher - some battleground states were closer to 20 percent. The only exceptions that I see are states with exceptional growth (Texas which probably was closer to 25 percent higher and Hawaii (not sure why there but they were up about 30 percent?). Arizona is the only other state I see on quick glance that might be slightly higher than a 20 percent rise in votes from 2016 to 2020.
Nearly every state had higher vote totals for Republicans in House races than for Trump. Wisconsin as I've stated a couple of times already is absolutely legit in terms of comparing vote totals throughout the state (and in fact had one of the smaller overall vote gains). PA and GA are pretty similar in terms of their increased vote totals from 2016 to 2020, and are a bit more odd in terms of extra Presidential votes from people who didn't vote in a House race (Trump had 57K less votes than House candidates in PA and 31K less in Georgia; meanwhile Biden had 107K more votes in PA and 80K in Georgia).
Republicans did better than expected in House races and in most Senate races. It's incredibly clear that Trump had a lot of ardent supporters, but a lot of suburbanites who couldn't vote for him again in 2020 but voted Republican down-ticket. That and a much higher youth vote total were the differences. Black women were much stronger for Biden than Clinton too, but that was offset some by Latino men supporting Trump in higher numbers (or just not voting in some places).
Ignore science at your own risk - that's the bottom line.
Well if Trump did do less well than House candidates (and that isn't true in Maine), and it wasn't due to the software glitch they found in Michigan, maybe it was due to independents and Democrats who voted for Biden but couldn't stomach the radical left AOC wing of the Democrats.
Well, I’ve never seen record low enthusiasm translate into record high turnout. That’s some magical democrat shizz right there.
(11-09-2020 10:35 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ] (11-09-2020 10:31 AM)VA49er Wrote: [ -> ] (11-09-2020 10:28 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ] (11-09-2020 10:20 AM)VA49er Wrote: [ -> ] (11-09-2020 10:10 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ]No, no they don't. Nor does "everybody" even remotely allege it.
Well, "everybody" may be a stretch, but you know what they say, "if it looks and quacks like a duck, it's a duck".
We've yet to see even a duck zygote!
Nah, it's there, some simply refuse to even acknowldege. Not saying it's enough, but it's definitely there.
Just. Stop.
No.
I get why the winner would want it to stop. I'm not one to beat this into the ground but it needs to be looked into. This is exactly what recounts are for. If nothing happened, then the D's shouldn't care if there is a recount in certain states, right? Look, IMO, Biden is harmless and what happens at a national level rarely impacts my life. I'm more concerned about what happens next. There are A LOT of people wondering if voting is even worth it given what happened in Michigan, heck even what happend in a a local House race where the incumbent (D) was losing until a county "found" just enough votes for her to get the victory.
Why is it most elections have recounts, but when Trump wants a recount it's "stealing an election" and the left loses their minds?
I ask again b/c I'm not clear: What is the Left's argument in these court cases? The actual court cases, not the talking heads, not the media, not Internet posters. What are the lawyers actually saying? That there's no fraud, that it's a waste of time, or both, or something else?
(11-09-2020 11:14 AM)gdunn Wrote: [ -> ]Why is it most elections have recounts, but when Trump wants a recount it's "stealing an election" and the left loses their minds?
Requesting a recount isn't "stealing an election."
Claiming a "election has been stolen" when you lose by 46,000+ votes is the head scratcher.
(11-09-2020 11:17 AM)salukiblue Wrote: [ -> ] (11-09-2020 11:14 AM)gdunn Wrote: [ -> ]Why is it most elections have recounts, but when Trump wants a recount it's "stealing an election" and the left loses their minds?
Requesting a recount isn't "stealing an election."
Claiming a "election has been stolen" when you lose by 46,000+ votes is the head scratcher.
Well I think it's safe to assume that when there are stories of glitches and data dumps in the middle of the night when counting was supposed to stop.
(11-09-2020 11:03 AM)VA49er Wrote: [ -> ]No.
I get why the winner would want it to stop. I'm not one to beat this into the ground but it needs to be looked into. This is exactly what recounts are for. If nothing happened, then the D's shouldn't care if there is a recount in certain states, right? Look, IMO, Biden is harmless and what happens at a national level rarely impacts my life. I'm more concerned about what happens next. There are A LOT of people wondering if voting is even worth it given what happened in Michigan, heck even what happened in a a local House race where the incumbent (D) was losing until a county "found" just enough votes for her to get the victory.
The integrity of the vote and the voting process is ESSENTIAL for the future. This is exactly the kind of schidt groups like Antifa want - chaos and distrust.
As VA properly notes, if this was all fair and square, the Dems should not care about a recount. What they
should care about is 2 years and 4 years from now. If they cannot restore faith in the process, they will soon be dethroned by it. Those who felt cheated (and not proven otherwise) will then feel even more emboldened to screw with the process themselves next time around - It will make this absolute circus look like a simple puppet show in some kids basement.
Biden and the Dems seem to think that "Ignore the problem and it will go away" is a good strategy here.... It is not.
(11-09-2020 11:19 AM)gdunn Wrote: [ -> ] (11-09-2020 11:17 AM)salukiblue Wrote: [ -> ] (11-09-2020 11:14 AM)gdunn Wrote: [ -> ]Why is it most elections have recounts, but when Trump wants a recount it's "stealing an election" and the left loses their minds?
Requesting a recount isn't "stealing an election."
Claiming a "election has been stolen" when you lose by 46,000+ votes is the head scratcher.
Well I think it's safe to assume that when there are stories of glitches and data dumps in the middle of the night when counting was supposed to stop.
And the operative word is "stories."
Hell, Trump outperformed Philly County in 2020 vs. 2016.
It would seem that Dem fraud would have ensured Scranton born Biden got more of the vote in 2020 than Hilly, yet Trump received more votes and had a better % than 2016.
Phillly County 2016 -- Clinton 584K votes (82.53 pct), Trump 109K votes (15.37 pct)
Philly County 2020 -- Biden 570K (80.9), Trump 127K (18.1)
Yes, Trump did better but it's still a heavy, heavy blue advantage. It's also showing that not many more votes came out of Philly than what we saw in 2016. When Obama won that county in 2008, there were 717K votes (690 in 2012).