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So I was trying the interactive map to predict the election - and without doing so intentionally - ended up with a 269-269 tie. Is this feasible?

Yes, there are a couple realistic routes to a 269 tie. If the electors in the Elector College all stick with their state's results, then it then goes to the US House of Representatives where each state gets one vote. Each state's Representatives get together and get one vote for the delegation. Although the Dems control the House, more states have a majority Republican delegation so....Trump should win.

No. No matter how badly Trump beats Biden, Biden's team will try to generate enough fake votes to win. That means generating enough fake votes to ensure its not a 269-269 tie.

(11-02-2020 01:43 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote: [ -> ]So I was trying the interactive map to predict the election - and without doing so intentionally - ended up with a 269-269 tie. Is this feasible?

That's one of several ways. I figure Trump is almost certain to get at least 248 (IA, FL + NC). If he doesn't win AZ, he can still get to 269 by 1) winning PA of the remaining swing states and 1 in ME; 2) winning WI and MN + 1 in ME; 3) winning NV, NH, 1 in ME + either WI or MN or 4) winning AZ and WI; 5) winning AZ and MN; 6) winning AZ, NV and NH. New Mexico could be substituted for NH and the 1 in ME in these scenarios.

What if they’re still tied after the house vote?

(11-02-2020 03:07 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote: [ -> ]What if they’re still tied after the house vote?

It goes to the senate to see who they elected as the vice president. That person would then assume the role of president if one couldnt be selected.

This one is more feasible IMO

(11-02-2020 03:09 PM)UofMstateU Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-02-2020 03:07 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote: [ -> ]What if they’re still tied after the house vote?

It goes to the senate to see who they elected as the vice president. That person would then assume the role of president if one couldnt be selected.

True. That person would probably be called “Acting President” by the opposing party, although I don’t believe that title is written in the Constitution.

Where it gets really dicey is if the Senate is split 50-50 on the vote for VP. And remember, the House would vote by State to resolve the Electoral-College tie for President, but the Senate would vote by individual member to break the Electoral College tie for Vice President. If the Senate vote is 50-50, then (I believe) the Speaker of the House becomes Acting President.

If we really do have a 269-269 tie in the Electoral College, it probably means that Biden kept all the Hillary states from 2016, and added to them Arizona (11), Wisconsin (10) and Michigan (16). Trump holds Pennsylvania, Iowa, North Carolina, Florida, and the rural district in Maine.

That would give Trump and Biden exactly 269 votes each in the Electoral College. Unless we have a faithless elector

There’s other ways to get there but I think that’s the highest-probability scenario.

Trump is going to win MI and PA - so, I don't think they can tie. I also think Trump will lose MN and WI.

(11-02-2020 03:56 PM)Native Georgian Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-02-2020 03:09 PM)UofMstateU Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-02-2020 03:07 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote: [ -> ]What if they’re still tied after the house vote?

It goes to the senate to see who they elected as the vice president. That person would then assume the role of president if one couldnt be selected.

True. That person would probably be called “Acting President” by the opposing party, although I don’t believe that title is written in the Constitution.

Where it gets really dicey is if the Senate is split 50-50 on the vote for VP. And remember, the House would vote by State to resolve the Electoral-College tie for President, but the Senate would vote by individual member to break the Electoral College tie for Vice President. If the Senate vote is 50-50, then (I believe) the Speaker of the House becomes Acting President.

The most Liberal hair puller of a scenario would be if Pence was selected as President and then appoints Trump as Vice President (as is his right by the 25th Amendment) and resigns...that would be the ultimate F.U.

(11-02-2020 04:02 PM)BearcatMan Wrote: [ -> ]The most Liberal hair puller of a scenario would be if Pence was selected as President and then appoints Trump as Vice President (as is his right by the 25th Amendment) and resigns...that would be the ultimate F.U.

True... although for the remainder of the presidential term (i.e., until 20th January 2025), there would still be a chance that the House might eventually resolve the tie for choosing a President in Biden’s favor. Then he would become President and serve out whatever is left until 1/20/25.