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We know how the democrats will "FIX" the ballots. FRAUD!!!!

Quote:The State Board of Elections issued the new guidance to county boards explaining residents won’t be forced to start over from scratch in casting votes if a witness fails to sign or provide an address on the envelope containing their absentee ballot. The guidance means that the ballot now won’t be considered “spoiled,” and the voter will be sent an affidavit to sign to rectify the problem.

Issues with deficient witness information on mail-in ballots have disproportionately affected Black voters. Ballots cast by African Americans account for about 43 percent of those classified as having incomplete witness information, according to state elections data. Yet Black residents account for 16 percent of overall ballots returned.

Marc Elias, a Democratic lawyer who helped sue in North Carolina court to seek the changes and has worked on similar absentee ballot litigation elsewhere, praised the decision.

Judge Rules Democrats can Fix NC Election

It's infuriating that they are changing the rules DURING an election and acting like it's ok. This is beyond banana republic ****.

(09-23-2020 03:28 PM)200yrs2late Wrote: [ -> ]It's infuriating that they are changing the rules DURING an election and acting like it's ok. This is beyond banana republic ****.

What bad for NC is, Cooper is going to coast to an easy re-election and be odds on favorite to replace retiring Senator Burr in 2024, along with Cal the war hero Cunningham flush with Soros cash about to take Tillis' seat NC could be dark blue by 2024.

How can they claim that 43% of rejected ballots are from African Americans? How do they know the race of a voter who turns in an absentee ballot?

I wasn't asked my race when I turned in my voter registration.

I've never put my race on a ballot.

(09-23-2020 04:02 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote: [ -> ]How can they claim that 43% of rejected ballots are from African Americans? How do they know the race of a voter who turns in an absentee ballot?

I wasn't asked my race when I turned in my voter registration.

I've never put my race on a ballot.

they can't.

SOmeone used rigged data to try and make a point and SHOCK OF ALL SHOCKS, it said what they designed it to say

(09-23-2020 07:35 PM)Hambone10 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-23-2020 04:02 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote: [ -> ]How can they claim that 43% of rejected ballots are from African Americans? How do they know the race of a voter who turns in an absentee ballot?

I wasn't asked my race when I turned in my voter registration.

I've never put my race on a ballot.

they can't.

SOmeone used rigged data to try and make a point and SHOCK OF ALL SHOCKS, it said what they designed it to say

Cool story bro...got a link?

Meanwhile....

https://dl.ncsbe.gov/Voter_Registration/...rm_06W.pdf

Talk about disenfranchisement. My vote means significantly less now when unverified mail in ballots are accepted 9 days after election day. How long do they allow for unverified ballots to be corrected after the 12th? When does it end.

Furthermore, the election board has NO AUTHORITY TO MAKE OR CHANGE LAW. They are altering a duly passed piece of legislation that had broad bipartisan support and was signed by the democrat gov. this year. They changed the rules at the behest of Eric Holder's voter project and shopped it to a very liberal judge to approve. Any challenge by the GOP legislature will go to the democrat controlled NC supreme court which will surely allow the changes until the case can be heard sometime after the election. Democrats have CHANGED THE RULES AFTER VOTING HAS BEGUN in NC.

Does anybody really think its coincidence that these changes to mail in ballots have been made in PA, NC, and MI?

I also have a hard time believing that one in seven registered voters in NC has requested an absentee ballot already. Want to know the ****** part about that? NC considers absentee and mail in ballot request confidential until the ballot is returned and counted or election day. There is no way for me to make sure a ballot hasn't been requested in my name. In theory someone could request my ballot fill it out as they desire and hold it until election day and there's no way for me to know. What happens when I show up to vote and I'm told my absentee ballot has already been counted?

How easy is it commit fraud now? Extremely.
1- Request absentee ballot in someone's name and take from their mailbox. (Workers at nursing homes could easily request for residents)
2- Fill out and hold ballot until election day. (No voter signature or witness verification signature comparison done in NC)
3- Deliver ballots to board of elections late on election day.
4 - Ballots are "corrected" and counted.

It won't take many votes to make a difference in close states, especially down-ballot.

(09-24-2020 07:29 AM)200yrs2late Wrote: [ -> ]Talk about disenfranchisement. My vote means significantly less now when unverified mail in ballots are accepted 9 days after election day. How long do they allow for unverified ballots to be corrected after the 12th? When does it end.

Furthermore, the election board has NO AUTHORITY TO MAKE OR CHANGE LAW. They are altering a duly passed piece of legislation that had broad bipartisan support and was signed by the democrat gov. this year. They changed the rules at the behest of Eric Holder's voter project and shopped it to a very liberal judge to approve. Any challenge by the GOP legislature will go to the democrat controlled NC supreme court which will surely allow the changes until the case can be heard sometime after the election. Democrats have CHANGED THE RULES AFTER VOTING HAS BEGUN in NC.

Does anybody really think its coincidence that these changes to mail in ballots have been made in PA, NC, and MI?

How does this make your vote not count?

And all this does is give the voter a chance to correct their mistake. If they don't do that timely, their vote won't count. They still have to submit the required information, they just have more time. Oh...the humanity.

(09-24-2020 07:49 AM)200yrs2late Wrote: [ -> ]I also have a hard time believing that one in seven registered voters in NC has requested an absentee ballot already. Want to know the ****** part about that? NC considers absentee and mail in ballot request confidential until the ballot is returned and counted or election day. There is no way for me to make sure a ballot hasn't been requested in my name. In theory someone could request my ballot fill it out as they desire and hold it until election day and there's no way for me to know. What happens when I show up to vote and I'm told my absentee ballot has already been counted?

How easy is it commit fraud now? Extremely.
1- Request absentee ballot in someone's name and take from their mailbox. (Workers at nursing homes could easily request for residents)
2- Fill out and hold ballot until election day. (No voter signature or witness verification signature comparison done in NC)
3- Deliver ballots to board of elections late on election day.
4 - Ballots are "corrected" and counted.

It won't take many votes to make a difference in close states, especially down-ballot.

Curious, how many people know the last 4 digits of your SSN or your DL number?
https://s3.amazonaws.com/dl.ncsbe.gov/Fo...stForm.pdf

If you're really concerned, you can register here and see if there's a ballot in your name to track.
https://northcarolina.ballottrax.net/voter/

(09-24-2020 07:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-24-2020 07:29 AM)200yrs2late Wrote: [ -> ]Talk about disenfranchisement. My vote means significantly less now when unverified mail in ballots are accepted 9 days after election day. How long do they allow for unverified ballots to be corrected after the 12th? When does it end.

Furthermore, the election board has NO AUTHORITY TO MAKE OR CHANGE LAW. They are altering a duly passed piece of legislation that had broad bipartisan support and was signed by the democrat gov. this year. They changed the rules at the behest of Eric Holder's voter project and shopped it to a very liberal judge to approve. Any challenge by the GOP legislature will go to the democrat controlled NC supreme court which will surely allow the changes until the case can be heard sometime after the election. Democrats have CHANGED THE RULES AFTER VOTING HAS BEGUN in NC.

Does anybody really think its coincidence that these changes to mail in ballots have been made in PA, NC, and MI?

How does this make your vote not count?

And all this does is give the voter a chance to correct their mistake. If they don't do that timely, their vote won't count. They still have to submit the required information, they just have more time. Oh...the humanity.

It cheapens my vote by making it easier for others to fraudulently vote. Surely you can understand that.

It also allows fraudulent votes to be "verified" by the fraudster and counted. With only a single witness required and no signature matching or verification, it's meaningless.

(09-24-2020 07:59 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-24-2020 07:49 AM)200yrs2late Wrote: [ -> ]I also have a hard time believing that one in seven registered voters in NC has requested an absentee ballot already. Want to know the ****** part about that? NC considers absentee and mail in ballot request confidential until the ballot is returned and counted or election day. There is no way for me to make sure a ballot hasn't been requested in my name. In theory someone could request my ballot fill it out as they desire and hold it until election day and there's no way for me to know. What happens when I show up to vote and I'm told my absentee ballot has already been counted?

How easy is it commit fraud now? Extremely.
1- Request absentee ballot in someone's name and take from their mailbox. (Workers at nursing homes could easily request for residents)
2- Fill out and hold ballot until election day. (No voter signature or witness verification signature comparison done in NC)
3- Deliver ballots to board of elections late on election day.
4 - Ballots are "corrected" and counted.

It won't take many votes to make a difference in close states, especially down-ballot.

Curious, how many people know the last 4 digits of your SSN or your DL number?
https://s3.amazonaws.com/dl.ncsbe.gov/Fo...stForm.pdf

If you're really concerned, you can register here and see if there's a ballot in your name to track.
https://northcarolina.ballottrax.net/voter/

NC DMV records are available for $10 and include DL number. That's a pretty cheaply bought vote.

(09-24-2020 08:27 AM)200yrs2late Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-24-2020 07:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-24-2020 07:29 AM)200yrs2late Wrote: [ -> ]Talk about disenfranchisement. My vote means significantly less now when unverified mail in ballots are accepted 9 days after election day. How long do they allow for unverified ballots to be corrected after the 12th? When does it end.

Furthermore, the election board has NO AUTHORITY TO MAKE OR CHANGE LAW. They are altering a duly passed piece of legislation that had broad bipartisan support and was signed by the democrat gov. this year. They changed the rules at the behest of Eric Holder's voter project and shopped it to a very liberal judge to approve. Any challenge by the GOP legislature will go to the democrat controlled NC supreme court which will surely allow the changes until the case can be heard sometime after the election. Democrats have CHANGED THE RULES AFTER VOTING HAS BEGUN in NC.

Does anybody really think its coincidence that these changes to mail in ballots have been made in PA, NC, and MI?

How does this make your vote not count?

And all this does is give the voter a chance to correct their mistake. If they don't do that timely, their vote won't count. They still have to submit the required information, they just have more time. Oh...the humanity.

It cheapens my vote by making it easier for others to fraudulently vote. Surely you can understand that.

It also allows fraudulent votes to be "verified" by the fraudster and counted. With only a single witness required and no signature matching or verification, it's meaningless.

How does it make it easier? They have to know either the last 4 of your SSN or your DL number to get a ballot, then they have to commit a felony by signing it with a good forgery of your signature and mailing it in, all to get one whole vote.

(09-24-2020 08:31 AM)200yrs2late Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-24-2020 07:59 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-24-2020 07:49 AM)200yrs2late Wrote: [ -> ]I also have a hard time believing that one in seven registered voters in NC has requested an absentee ballot already. Want to know the ****** part about that? NC considers absentee and mail in ballot request confidential until the ballot is returned and counted or election day. There is no way for me to make sure a ballot hasn't been requested in my name. In theory someone could request my ballot fill it out as they desire and hold it until election day and there's no way for me to know. What happens when I show up to vote and I'm told my absentee ballot has already been counted?

How easy is it commit fraud now? Extremely.
1- Request absentee ballot in someone's name and take from their mailbox. (Workers at nursing homes could easily request for residents)
2- Fill out and hold ballot until election day. (No voter signature or witness verification signature comparison done in NC)
3- Deliver ballots to board of elections late on election day.
4 - Ballots are "corrected" and counted.

It won't take many votes to make a difference in close states, especially down-ballot.

Curious, how many people know the last 4 digits of your SSN or your DL number?
https://s3.amazonaws.com/dl.ncsbe.gov/Fo...stForm.pdf

If you're really concerned, you can register here and see if there's a ballot in your name to track.
https://northcarolina.ballottrax.net/voter/

NC DMV records are available for $10 and include DL number. That's a pretty cheaply bought vote.

One slight problem. They need your DL number AND your SSN to get it. Oops.

Quote:Online Requests
Although a North Carolina driver license or ID is not necessary to order a driving record in person or by mail, the license holder and the requestor (if different) must have a valid North Carolina driver license or ID card when ordering online.

Any entity may request the driving record of an individual for a valid reason the Driver Privacy Protection Act.

The following information about the license holder is required:

-First and last name
-Date of birth
-North Carolina driver license or ID card number
-Social Security number, Individual Taxpayer Identification number or U.S. Visa number

Certified driving records that are requested online will be mailed to the requestor.

https://www.ncdot.gov/dmv/offices-servic...cords.aspx

(09-24-2020 06:03 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-23-2020 07:35 PM)Hambone10 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-23-2020 04:02 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote: [ -> ]How can they claim that 43% of rejected ballots are from African Americans? How do they know the race of a voter who turns in an absentee ballot?

I wasn't asked my race when I turned in my voter registration.

I've never put my race on a ballot.

they can't.

SOmeone used rigged data to try and make a point and SHOCK OF ALL SHOCKS, it said what they designed it to say

Cool story bro...got a link?

Meanwhile....

https://dl.ncsbe.gov/Voter_Registration/...rm_06W.pdf

Cool story bro.... got an education?

1) Talk about being a hypocrite. You spent 2 days arguing that signatures ensure the integrity of elections and you're 'all about that', now you're saying they don't matter. Which is it Tom?
2) I don't see a link to the evidence that support this claim in that article, do you? I just see the article claiming it.
3) demographic information in your link is clearly optional. I NEVER answer that question unless I must. I SURE as hell won't give them my cell phone and email that can be disclosed as a public record.
4) people can lie. I've heard SOME people claim to be Indian to get preferential treatment. If I'm going to commit voter fraud, I'm certainly going to claim to be a minority. a) you can play the race card if its challenged, like here even without being a minority and b) racists would also support the idea that minorities cheat
5) These aren't people having their ballots challenged... these are people not following some very simple instructions... Instructions YOU think states should be able to manage to make clear to everyone in just weeks. THIS is precisely why Oregon took 10 years to get this into place. Now... go ahead and tell me why you think African Americans are (eyeballing it) 10 times more likely to fail to follow relatively simple instructions than anyone else? I'm calling BS on the numbers or on the validity of the registrations... YOU seem to be calling them stupid.

(09-24-2020 09:31 AM)Hambone10 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-24-2020 06:03 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-23-2020 07:35 PM)Hambone10 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-23-2020 04:02 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote: [ -> ]How can they claim that 43% of rejected ballots are from African Americans? How do they know the race of a voter who turns in an absentee ballot?

I wasn't asked my race when I turned in my voter registration.

I've never put my race on a ballot.

they can't.

SOmeone used rigged data to try and make a point and SHOCK OF ALL SHOCKS, it said what they designed it to say

Cool story bro...got a link?

Meanwhile....

https://dl.ncsbe.gov/Voter_Registration/...rm_06W.pdf

Cool story bro.... got an education?

1) Talk about being a hypocrite. You spent 2 days arguing that signatures ensure the integrity of elections and you're 'all about that', now you're saying they don't matter. Which is it Tom?
2) I don't see a link to the evidence that support this claim in that article, do you? I just see the article claiming it.
3) demographic information in your link is clearly optional. I NEVER answer that question unless I must. I SURE as hell won't give them my cell phone and email that can be disclosed as a public record.
4) people can lie. I've heard SOME people claim to be Indian to get preferential treatment. If I'm going to commit voter fraud, I'm certainly going to claim to be a minority. a) you can play the race card if its challenged, like here even without being a minority and b) racists would also support the idea that minorities cheat
5) These aren't people having their ballots challenged... these are people not following some very simple instructions... Instructions YOU think states should be able to manage to make clear to everyone in just weeks. THIS is precisely why Oregon took 10 years to get this into place. Now... go ahead and tell me why you think African Americans are (eyeballing it) 10 times more likely to fail to follow relatively simple instructions than anyone else? I'm calling BS on the numbers or on the validity of the registrations... YOU seem to be calling them stupid.

It's funny when you can't admit to making a mistake. Your posts tend to ramble and not make much sense like this one. I can clearly see the fury and anger as you typed...LOL

Dude, you claimed someone "rigged the data" with NO evidence. The voter registration clearly asks for your race. Regardless if it's optional or that someone could lie, the state will have racial information to make the statement they did.

And nowhere did I say here that signatures did not matter. This change merely says that when the signature is not done properly that it's sent back to the voter for them to correct it. Nowhere does it nor I say any vote should count without that valid signature!

Also, why does the article need to prove what the state elections data is? Or are you also accusing the AP of lying with no evidence to support it?

Finally, I'm not calling anyone stupid. I prepare my moms tax return every year and twice she's sent it in without signing it, even though I clearly told her to.

Why do rules and requirements disproportionately impact blacks? These sorts of statements make absolutely no sense.

(09-24-2020 10:06 AM)GrayBeard Wrote: [ -> ]Why do rules and requirements disproportionately impact blacks? These sorts of statements make absolutely no sense.

And indicate that those making such statements believe blacks are not capable enough to follow those requirements on their own.

(09-24-2020 10:02 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-24-2020 09:31 AM)Hambone10 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-24-2020 06:03 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-23-2020 07:35 PM)Hambone10 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-23-2020 04:02 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote: [ -> ]How can they claim that 43% of rejected ballots are from African Americans? How do they know the race of a voter who turns in an absentee ballot?

I wasn't asked my race when I turned in my voter registration.

I've never put my race on a ballot.

they can't.

SOmeone used rigged data to try and make a point and SHOCK OF ALL SHOCKS, it said what they designed it to say

Cool story bro...got a link?

Meanwhile....

https://dl.ncsbe.gov/Voter_Registration/...rm_06W.pdf

Cool story bro.... got an education?

1) Talk about being a hypocrite. You spent 2 days arguing that signatures ensure the integrity of elections and you're 'all about that', now you're saying they don't matter. Which is it Tom?
2) I don't see a link to the evidence that support this claim in that article, do you? I just see the article claiming it.
3) demographic information in your link is clearly optional. I NEVER answer that question unless I must. I SURE as hell won't give them my cell phone and email that can be disclosed as a public record.
4) people can lie. I've heard SOME people claim to be Indian to get preferential treatment. If I'm going to commit voter fraud, I'm certainly going to claim to be a minority. a) you can play the race card if its challenged, like here even without being a minority and b) racists would also support the idea that minorities cheat
5) These aren't people having their ballots challenged... these are people not following some very simple instructions... Instructions YOU think states should be able to manage to make clear to everyone in just weeks. THIS is precisely why Oregon took 10 years to get this into place. Now... go ahead and tell me why you think African Americans are (eyeballing it) 10 times more likely to fail to follow relatively simple instructions than anyone else? I'm calling BS on the numbers or on the validity of the registrations... YOU seem to be calling them stupid.

It's funny when you can't admit to making a mistake. Your posts tend to ramble and not make much sense like this one. I can clearly see the fury and anger as you typed...LOL

Dude, you claimed someone "rigged the data" with NO evidence. The voter registration clearly asks for your race. Regardless if it's optional or that someone could lie, the state will have racial information to make the statement they did.

And nowhere did I say here that signatures did not matter. This change merely says that when the signature is not done properly that it's sent back to the voter for them to correct it. Nowhere does it nor I say any vote should count without that valid signature!

Also, why does the article need to prove what the state elections data is? Or are you also accusing the AP of lying with no evidence to support it?

Finally, I'm not calling anyone stupid. I prepare my moms tax return every year and twice she's sent it in without signing it, even though I clearly told her to.

Send it back till you get the signature you need

Nothing to see here

(09-24-2020 10:02 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ]It's funny when you can't admit to making a mistake.

What mistake? Not including a link? The article didn't need one so why am I held to a standard that they're not? I have to PROVE my opinion, but the news can just claim facts without proof?

Quote:Your posts tend to ramble and not make much sense like this one. I can clearly see the fury and anger as you typed...LOL

My post doesn't amble at all. It's just thorough. Anger at what? Stupid people? Stupid people don't make me angry. They make me sad.

Quote:Dude, you claimed someone "rigged the data" with NO evidence. The voter registration clearly asks for your race. Regardless if it's optional or that someone could lie, the state will have racial information to make the statement they did.

The state didn't make the statement... a reporter did, loosely referring to non-specific 'state data'.

I'd like to see the actual data. If you'll note... the form claims Hispanic as being a ethnicity, not a race... so they would likely be 'other' on the racial section. Asians are also often included in 'white' counts... but not here. Since the data makes absolutely no sense... unless you think black people can't follow instructions... then I'd like to see the actual data.

Quote:And nowhere did I say here that signatures did not matter. This change merely says that when the signature is not done properly that it's sent back to the voter for them to correct it. Nowhere does it nor I say any vote should count without that valid signature!

Also, why does the article need to prove what the state elections data is? Or are you also accusing the AP of lying with no evidence to support it?

Finally, I'm not calling anyone stupid. I prepare my moms tax return every year and twice she's sent it in without signing it, even though I clearly told her to.

So you're associating me with the OP, despite the fact that I said nothing about it.

You, Tom... very clearly are supporting the comment I disputed. You've provided no evidence to support your claim and that's okay to you... but I have to prove it, right? Just as i said, I think they rigged the analysis (or took advantage of misleading information) in order to tell the story they want to tell. Yes, I see the AP do this every day.

The comment only has meaning if there is a charge of racism in some way. Otherwise, what difference does it make? Is requiring a signature racist? Is having rules racist? Are black people less inclined, able or willing to follow clear instructions than whites? Are they (I'm assuming) more elderly and forgetful like your mother than whites? Unless you find ANY of those things to be true, then the comment is meaningless.

I doubt it is true because a) no evidence is given to support it b) you would be rejecting the ballot before the registration information were investigated c) it's about what ISN'T there (signatures or witnesses) and not what IS (an ethnic name or knowledge of ethnicity and d) I don't believe any of the above things to be true.

Apparently you do. That's a logical conclusion. I understand you're embarrassed by that revelation, but its still true. The soft bigotry of low expectations. The author is trying to imply a racist cause and you are supporting him... in no small part bit because you don't challenge his claim... you don't consider that it can't possibly come in to play in this instance.... and you only require proof from the challenge.

I do find it funny that you use an example of someone filling out someone else's forms... forms I suspect she doesn't fully understand. MAYBE some of the reasons those ballots aren't signed is because their son filled them out, told them to sign them and they forgot.... now when they challenge the ballot, they'll find a real person on the other end and accept it... but simply using your example that you volunteered, THEY didn't vote... Their son voted twice.

Odd that you say my post rambles and makes no sense, but then you literally respond to every single line... because of course it was all directly on point... your feigned indignation notwithstanding.



You tell me, Tom... Since the determination to reject these ballots comes from one simple, non-racial determination of whether or not they signed the form and had a witness.... before they even bother to look at someone's ethnicity...

YOU TELL ME why you think 46% of the ballots missing that information come from black people (the OP claim that I dispute and you support)