Assuming the college football season goes on and is completed. I'm going on the assumption we get some sort of modified bowl season and college playoff.(if things go really well which has yet to be seen) If your the playoff organization do you try to place a G5 in the playoffs this year? With both the PAC 12 and currently the Big Ten out of contention could the remaining P5 justify blocking out a G5 school especially with the bad OOC loses by the big 12 in a year with limited OOC games for most of the P5? While the G5 I think plays more OOC games this year would those games benefit the G5?
The cynic in me says there will be an ACC team, a Big 12 team, and two SEC teams. It's already happened before, anyway, in 2017, when the Pac-12 and Big Ten actually were playing.
Looks like the Big-10 might just find a way to sneak a team into the mix as well.
The committee would put 4 SEC teams in before they’ll put it one G5 team.
I love to dream as much as anyone else but there is no situation where a G5 team gets into the playoff right now.
(09-13-2020 08:51 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote: [ -> ]The cynic in me says there will be an ACC team, a Big 12 team, and two SEC teams. It's already happened before, anyway, in 2017, when the Pac-12 and Big Ten actually were playing.
That's probably the most likely scenario. I was hoping the few OOC games could have changed some of the numbers.
(09-14-2020 12:16 AM)ah59396 Wrote: [ -> ]The committee would put 4 SEC teams in before they’ll put it one G5 team.
I love to dream as much as anyone else but there is no situation where a G5 team gets into the playoff right now.
Yeah, they've got to pass the committee 'eye test'. So what if the B12 is 0-3 vs. the Sunbelt and the Sunbelt champ is undefeated..... Oklahoma looks good!
(09-14-2020 12:59 AM)ChrisLords Wrote: [ -> ] (09-14-2020 12:16 AM)ah59396 Wrote: [ -> ]The committee would put 4 SEC teams in before they’ll put it one G5 team.
I love to dream as much as anyone else but there is no situation where a G5 team gets into the playoff right now.
Yeah, they've got to pass the committee 'eye test'. So what if the B12 is 0-3 vs. the Sunbelt and the Sunbelt champ is undefeated..... Oklahoma looks good!
Well in fairness, that's how Clemson got in last year, and it makes sense too - just because your conference is bad doesn't mean you are. We all could see that Clemson was a playoff-worthy team despite the ACC being a quasi-G5 conference last year. The same could very well be true of Oklahoma.
Bottom line is, with so few OOC games, particularly among P5, computers will be useless for ranking teams. The eye-test is all we have. It's a strange year so make the best of it.
P5 only. G5 teams are not capable of beating any P5 teams.
Sincerely,
The Big Twelve
(09-14-2020 06:48 AM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ] (09-14-2020 12:59 AM)ChrisLords Wrote: [ -> ] (09-14-2020 12:16 AM)ah59396 Wrote: [ -> ]The committee would put 4 SEC teams in before they’ll put it one G5 team.
I love to dream as much as anyone else but there is no situation where a G5 team gets into the playoff right now.
Yeah, they've got to pass the committee 'eye test'. So what if the B12 is 0-3 vs. the Sunbelt and the Sunbelt champ is undefeated..... Oklahoma looks good!
Well in fairness, that's how Clemson got in last year, and it makes sense too - just because your conference is bad doesn't mean you are. We all could see that Clemson was a playoff-worthy team despite the ACC being a quasi-G5 conference last year. The same could very well be true of Oklahoma.
Bottom line is, with so few OOC games, particularly among P5, computers will be useless for ranking teams. The eye-test is all we have. It's a strange year so make the best of it.
Why the ACC can't get it together confuses me. Miami, FSU, and Clemson have won a combined 11 national championships. Many more championship game appearances among those. Pitt, GT, and Syracuse have also won titles. VT has had a championship appearance. The second tier includes Louisville, who has had multiple top 10 finishes; NC State, who is one of the top producers of NFL QB's; and UNC, who did well in the first Mack Brown tenure and has high expectations in his second. BC has had a Heisman winner. Even Wake, Virginia, and Duke have had admirable seasons.
Yet the league can't perform well all at once. Someone help me understand why they can't get it together.
(09-14-2020 07:05 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote: [ -> ] (09-14-2020 06:48 AM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ] (09-14-2020 12:59 AM)ChrisLords Wrote: [ -> ] (09-14-2020 12:16 AM)ah59396 Wrote: [ -> ]The committee would put 4 SEC teams in before they’ll put it one G5 team.
I love to dream as much as anyone else but there is no situation where a G5 team gets into the playoff right now.
Yeah, they've got to pass the committee 'eye test'. So what if the B12 is 0-3 vs. the Sunbelt and the Sunbelt champ is undefeated..... Oklahoma looks good!
Well in fairness, that's how Clemson got in last year, and it makes sense too - just because your conference is bad doesn't mean you are. We all could see that Clemson was a playoff-worthy team despite the ACC being a quasi-G5 conference last year. The same could very well be true of Oklahoma.
Bottom line is, with so few OOC games, particularly among P5, computers will be useless for ranking teams. The eye-test is all we have. It's a strange year so make the best of it.
Why the ACC can't get it together confuses me. Miami, FSU, and Clemson have won a combined 11 national championships. Many more championship game appearances among those. Pitt, GT, and Syracuse have also won titles. VT has had a championship appearance. The second tier includes Louisville, who has had multiple top 10 finishes; NC State, who is one of the top producers of NFL QB's; and UNC, who did well in the first Mack Brown tenure and has high expectations in his second. BC has had a Heisman winner. Even Wake, Virginia, and Duke have had admirable seasons.
Yet the league can't perform well all at once. Someone help me understand why they can't get it together.
The ACC football conference is fine. Last year likely was a one-year stinky aberration. The previous three years, the ACC's overall MC rankings are 4, 1, and 2. Yes, the ACC was actually the #1 conference in 2017. Granted, that's the only time they've been #1 the past 15 seasons, but still, the numbers show that the ACC often is ranked ahead of at least some other P5 conferences.
This year is definitely the best shot we're going to get in a while. I don't think it's particularly likely, but if say UCF or BYU goes undefeated and the ACC/Big 12/SEC runner ups are all something like 9-3 then I think you have a shot.
(09-14-2020 09:20 AM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ] (09-14-2020 07:05 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote: [ -> ] (09-14-2020 06:48 AM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ] (09-14-2020 12:59 AM)ChrisLords Wrote: [ -> ] (09-14-2020 12:16 AM)ah59396 Wrote: [ -> ]The committee would put 4 SEC teams in before they’ll put it one G5 team.
I love to dream as much as anyone else but there is no situation where a G5 team gets into the playoff right now.
Yeah, they've got to pass the committee 'eye test'. So what if the B12 is 0-3 vs. the Sunbelt and the Sunbelt champ is undefeated..... Oklahoma looks good!
Well in fairness, that's how Clemson got in last year, and it makes sense too - just because your conference is bad doesn't mean you are. We all could see that Clemson was a playoff-worthy team despite the ACC being a quasi-G5 conference last year. The same could very well be true of Oklahoma.
Bottom line is, with so few OOC games, particularly among P5, computers will be useless for ranking teams. The eye-test is all we have. It's a strange year so make the best of it.
Why the ACC can't get it together confuses me. Miami, FSU, and Clemson have won a combined 11 national championships. Many more championship game appearances among those. Pitt, GT, and Syracuse have also won titles. VT has had a championship appearance. The second tier includes Louisville, who has had multiple top 10 finishes; NC State, who is one of the top producers of NFL QB's; and UNC, who did well in the first Mack Brown tenure and has high expectations in his second. BC has had a Heisman winner. Even Wake, Virginia, and Duke have had admirable seasons.
Yet the league can't perform well all at once. Someone help me understand why they can't get it together.
The ACC football conference is fine. Last year likely was a one-year stinky aberration. The previous three years, the ACC's overall MC rankings are 4, 1, and 2. Yes, the ACC was actually the #1 conference in 2017. Granted, that's the only time they've been #1 the past 15 seasons, but still, the numbers show that the ACC often is ranked ahead of at least some other P5 conferences.
+1 for "stinky aberration"
(09-14-2020 09:32 AM)Gamecock Wrote: [ -> ]This year is definitely the best shot we're going to get in a while. I don't think it's particularly likely, but if say UCF or BYU goes undefeated and the ACC/Big 12/SEC runner ups are all something like 9-3 then I think you have a shot.
The biggest problem the G5 and BYU will have is that there aren't many opportunities for the schools that start out with a presumption of a high ranking to get P5 scalps. It doesn't matter if you get a scalp against a second or third tier team in the B12. You have to beat a "name".
Of all the possible breakthroughs, Houston would appear to have the best chance, now that they have both Baylor and BYU on their schedule. But Cincy's best OOC win could be Army, and that's not going to impress the committee. UCF's best game is Georgia Tech, and they're not likely to stay ranked through the season. USF gets Notre Dame in South Bend, and if they pull that one off they have a chance if they also go undefeated. Memphis and Appalachian State have no marquee games to hang their hat on.
So I'm not sure this is their best shot.
(09-14-2020 12:34 PM)ken d Wrote: [ -> ] (09-14-2020 09:32 AM)Gamecock Wrote: [ -> ]This year is definitely the best shot we're going to get in a while. I don't think it's particularly likely, but if say UCF or BYU goes undefeated and the ACC/Big 12/SEC runner ups are all something like 9-3 then I think you have a shot.
The biggest problem the G5 and BYU will have is that there aren't many opportunities for the schools that start out with a presumption of a high ranking to get P5 scalps. It doesn't matter if you get a scalp against a second or third tier team in the B12. You have to beat a "name".
Of all the possible breakthroughs, Houston would appear to have the best chance, now that they have both Baylor and BYU on their schedule. But Cincy's best OOC win could be Army, and that's not going to impress the committee. UCF's best game is Georgia Tech, and they're not likely to stay ranked through the season. USF gets Notre Dame in South Bend, and if they pull that one off they have a chance if they also go undefeated. Memphis and Appalachian State have no marquee games to hang their hat on.
So I'm not sure this is their best shot.
Cincinnati and UCF’s best game is against each other. I realize you are speaking of OOC wins, but we need to see how this season tallies up as a whole. The B12 just dropped 3 games to the Sun Belt. OOC should not be such a heavy factor this season.
As a Bearcats fan I’m hoping for the following
1) Undefeated Cincinnati Bearcats
2) Undefeated ACC, Big12 and SEC champions
3) All of other ACC, Big12 and SEC teams with two loses before the conference championship
4) Big Ten and Pac 12 don’t change there minds
5) No other undefeated teams
If that happens I can’t see a way that my Bearcats don’t make the playoffs.
(09-14-2020 12:34 PM)ken d Wrote: [ -> ] (09-14-2020 09:32 AM)Gamecock Wrote: [ -> ]This year is definitely the best shot we're going to get in a while. I don't think it's particularly likely, but if say UCF or BYU goes undefeated and the ACC/Big 12/SEC runner ups are all something like 9-3 then I think you have a shot.
The biggest problem the G5 and BYU will have is that there aren't many opportunities for the schools that start out with a presumption of a high ranking to get P5 scalps. It doesn't matter if you get a scalp against a second or third tier team in the B12. You have to beat a "name".
Of all the possible breakthroughs, Houston would appear to have the best chance, now that they have both Baylor and BYU on their schedule. But Cincy's best OOC win could be Army, and that's not going to impress the committee. UCF's best game is Georgia Tech, and they're not likely to stay ranked through the season. USF gets Notre Dame in South Bend, and if they pull that one off they have a chance if they also go undefeated. Memphis and Appalachian State have no marquee games to hang their hat on.
So I'm not sure this is their best shot.
It's not ideal. But I still say it's their best shot because two P5 conferences aren't playing and there may not be an obvious fourth best team in each conference.
Say Clemson, Oklahoma, and Alabama all run the table. Alabama beats an 8-2 UGA or UF, Clemson beats a 9-2 Notre Dame, and Oklahoma beats a 9-2 Iowa State in the championship games. UCF is 10-0 with a big win over Georgia tech and several other wins against top 25 Houston, Memphis, and Cincinnati. I think at that point they probably get the nod.
Again, it's not likely. There could easily be an obviously strong 10-1 UGA or Texas team out there that gets the nod. But the chaos around this season opens a few doors
(09-14-2020 12:55 PM)Gamecock Wrote: [ -> ] (09-14-2020 12:34 PM)ken d Wrote: [ -> ] (09-14-2020 09:32 AM)Gamecock Wrote: [ -> ]This year is definitely the best shot we're going to get in a while. I don't think it's particularly likely, but if say UCF or BYU goes undefeated and the ACC/Big 12/SEC runner ups are all something like 9-3 then I think you have a shot.
The biggest problem the G5 and BYU will have is that there aren't many opportunities for the schools that start out with a presumption of a high ranking to get P5 scalps. It doesn't matter if you get a scalp against a second or third tier team in the B12. You have to beat a "name".
Of all the possible breakthroughs, Houston would appear to have the best chance, now that they have both Baylor and BYU on their schedule. But Cincy's best OOC win could be Army, and that's not going to impress the committee. UCF's best game is Georgia Tech, and they're not likely to stay ranked through the season. USF gets Notre Dame in South Bend, and if they pull that one off they have a chance if they also go undefeated. Memphis and Appalachian State have no marquee games to hang their hat on.
So I'm not sure this is their best shot.
It's not ideal. But I still say it's their best shot because two P5 conferences aren't playing and there may not be an obvious fourth best team in each conference.
Say Clemson, Oklahoma, and Alabama all run the table. Alabama beats an 8-2 UGA or UF, Clemson beats a 9-2 Notre Dame, and Oklahoma beats a 9-2 Iowa State in the championship games. UCF is 10-0 with a big win over Georgia tech and several other wins against top 25 Houston, Memphis, and Cincinnati. I think at that point they probably get the nod.
Again, it's not likely. There could easily be an obviously strong 10-1 UGA or Texas team out there that gets the nod. But the chaos around this season opens a few doors
Yes, Ken has a good point about lack of OOC opportunities, but on balance, the absence of the PAC and B1G is just a weightier factor so yes, this is the G5's best chance.
(09-14-2020 01:02 PM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ] (09-14-2020 12:55 PM)Gamecock Wrote: [ -> ] (09-14-2020 12:34 PM)ken d Wrote: [ -> ] (09-14-2020 09:32 AM)Gamecock Wrote: [ -> ]This year is definitely the best shot we're going to get in a while. I don't think it's particularly likely, but if say UCF or BYU goes undefeated and the ACC/Big 12/SEC runner ups are all something like 9-3 then I think you have a shot.
The biggest problem the G5 and BYU will have is that there aren't many opportunities for the schools that start out with a presumption of a high ranking to get P5 scalps. It doesn't matter if you get a scalp against a second or third tier team in the B12. You have to beat a "name".
Of all the possible breakthroughs, Houston would appear to have the best chance, now that they have both Baylor and BYU on their schedule. But Cincy's best OOC win could be Army, and that's not going to impress the committee. UCF's best game is Georgia Tech, and they're not likely to stay ranked through the season. USF gets Notre Dame in South Bend, and if they pull that one off they have a chance if they also go undefeated. Memphis and Appalachian State have no marquee games to hang their hat on.
So I'm not sure this is their best shot.
It's not ideal. But I still say it's their best shot because two P5 conferences aren't playing and there may not be an obvious fourth best team in each conference.
Say Clemson, Oklahoma, and Alabama all run the table. Alabama beats an 8-2 UGA or UF, Clemson beats a 9-2 Notre Dame, and Oklahoma beats a 9-2 Iowa State in the championship games. UCF is 10-0 with a big win over Georgia tech and several other wins against top 25 Houston, Memphis, and Cincinnati. I think at that point they probably get the nod.
Again, it's not likely. There could easily be an obviously strong 10-1 UGA or Texas team out there that gets the nod. But the chaos around this season opens a few doors
Yes, Ken has a good point about lack of OOC opportunities, but on balance, the absence of the PAC and B1G is just a weightier factor so yes, this is the G5's best chance.
Exactly
I think UNC or ND can possibly sneak in . I like UNC a lot if they can beat Notre Dame they don’t get Clemson in the regular season so even with a loss in the ACC title game they have a shot. Norte Dame is going to be favored in every ACC game they play but the Clemson and UNC games. If they can beat the tigers and Tar Heel they are golden
(09-14-2020 12:34 PM)ken d Wrote: [ -> ] (09-14-2020 09:32 AM)Gamecock Wrote: [ -> ]This year is definitely the best shot we're going to get in a while. I don't think it's particularly likely, but if say UCF or BYU goes undefeated and the ACC/Big 12/SEC runner ups are all something like 9-3 then I think you have a shot.
The biggest problem the G5 and BYU will have is that there aren't many opportunities for the schools that start out with a presumption of a high ranking to get P5 scalps. It doesn't matter if you get a scalp against a second or third tier team in the B12. You have to beat a "name".
Of all the possible breakthroughs, Houston would appear to have the best chance, now that they have both Baylor and BYU on their schedule. But Cincy's best OOC win could be Army, and that's not going to impress the committee. UCF's best game is Georgia Tech, and they're not likely to stay ranked through the season. USF gets Notre Dame in South Bend, and if they pull that one off they have a chance if they also go undefeated. Memphis and Appalachian State have no marquee games to hang their hat on.
So I'm not sure this is their best shot.
Yeah. As of right now we need Arkansas State to run the table and Kansas State to have a decent to strong season to help Memphis out with stuff out of our control.