I was a freshman for Tony Yates last season as head coach.
I was not very engaged with either football or basketball as a freshman.
I think I went to two games at the Gardens.
I was listening to the Levertis Robinson interview on The Bearcat Basketball Podcast, and I seem to remember that for Yates final season, he went in to the season with the understanding that he needed to pull out 17 wins to keep his job.
He didn’t get to 17 wins, and was let go.
Am I right? Was he given a specific number of wins entering the season that he had to get to keep his job?
I do remember the incident during the season where Lou Banks left in the middle of practice after fighting with Cedric Glover, and returned with a 2x4 full of nails, and went after Glover!
(09-09-2020 10:52 AM)namrag Wrote: [ -> ]I was a freshman for Tony Yates last season as head coach.
I was not very engaged with either football or basketball as a freshman.
I think I went to two games at the Gardens.
I was listening to the Levertis Robinson interview on The Bearcat Basketball Podcast, and I seem to remember that for Yates final season, he went in to the season with the understanding that he needed to pull out 17 wins to keep his job.
He didn’t get to 17 wins, and was let go.
Am I right? Was he given a specific number of wins entering the season that he had to get to keep his job?
I do remember the incident during the season where Lou Banks left in the middle of practice after fighting with Cedric Glover, and returned with a 2x4 full of nails, and went after Glover!
Pretty sure that was Elnardo Chip Givens.
I was there for Yates last five years. They fired him 3-4 years too late.
I don't think 17 wins was too much to ask given the talent he had and the fact that we weren't exactly playing our BE schedule at the time.
Underachieving teams.
Cedrick is/was a very big man. He would have needed that jug of nails.
(09-09-2020 10:52 AM)namrag Wrote: [ -> ]I was a freshman for Tony Yates last season as head coach.
I was not very engaged with either football or basketball as a freshman.
I think I went to two games at the Gardens.
I was listening to the Levertis Robinson interview on The Bearcat Basketball Podcast, and I seem to remember that for Yates final season, he went in to the season with the understanding that he needed to pull out 17 wins to keep his job.
He didn’t get to 17 wins, and was let go.
Am I right? Was he given a specific number of wins entering the season that he had to get to keep his job?
I do remember the incident during the season where Lou Banks left in the middle of practice after fighting with Cedric Glover, and returned with a 2x4 full of nails, and went after Glover!
I also remember this episode because it was reported by the Cincinnati Post.
(09-09-2020 12:31 PM)dsquare Wrote: [ -> ]Cedrick is/was a very big man. He would have needed that jug of nails.
He was also a great guy. One of my all time favorites. He had better stats his senior season that Pervis Ellison, but Ellison got player of the year.
I'd like to know if the old rumor is true that Yates final recruiting class included Danny Manning and Dennis Hopson but both decommitted after he got fired. Or maybe one or both didn't verbally commit but were a heavy UC lean before he got fired.
(09-11-2020 09:52 AM)nachoman91 Wrote: [ -> ]I'd like to know if the old rumor is true that Yates final recruiting class included Danny Manning and Dennis Hopson but both decommitted after he got fired. Or maybe one or both didn't verbally commit but were a heavy UC lean before he got fired.
I have no inside information but suspect it is possible they were leaning toward UC. But the writing was on the wall that final season and I believe the fanbase was very divided at that point regarding his retention for that final year and beyond.
Tony Yates will always be a great Bearcat, but the change had to come. Would a Danny Manning have come to a program that had fallen far from glory, failed to make the NCAA annually and had a very small fan following at that point in history? My guess would be no.
(09-11-2020 10:22 AM)OKIcat Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2020 09:52 AM)nachoman91 Wrote: [ -> ]I'd like to know if the old rumor is true that Yates final recruiting class included Danny Manning and Dennis Hopson but both decommitted after he got fired. Or maybe one or both didn't verbally commit but were a heavy UC lean before he got fired.
I have no inside information but suspect it is possible they were leaning toward UC. But the writing was on the wall that final season and I believe the fanbase was very divided at that point regarding his retention for that final year and beyond.
Tony Yates will always be a great Bearcat, but the change had to come. Would a Danny Manning have come to a program that had fallen far from glory, failed to make the NCAA annually and had a very small fan following at that point in history? My guess would be no.
Manning was at KS 84-88
Yates was at UC 83-89
He was coming to play for Ed Badger.
Manning was coming until Yates was hired.
(09-10-2020 05:26 PM)rosewater Wrote: [ -> ] (09-09-2020 12:31 PM)dsquare Wrote: [ -> ]Cedrick is/was a very big man. He would have needed that jug of nails.
He was also a great guy. One of my all time favorites. He had better stats his senior season that Pervis Ellison, but Ellison got player of the year.
Yes he was. Interesting story as well as i think he only played a year or two of high school bball. He was in the band. I think he had a big growth spurt and got up to 6'8 or 9. Kid improved immensely in his college career. Wes Unseld like guy.
(09-11-2020 12:06 PM)doss2 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2020 10:22 AM)OKIcat Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2020 09:52 AM)nachoman91 Wrote: [ -> ]I'd like to know if the old rumor is true that Yates final recruiting class included Danny Manning and Dennis Hopson but both decommitted after he got fired. Or maybe one or both didn't verbally commit but were a heavy UC lean before he got fired.
I have no inside information but suspect it is possible they were leaning toward UC. But the writing was on the wall that final season and I believe the fanbase was very divided at that point regarding his retention for that final year and beyond.
Tony Yates will always be a great Bearcat, but the change had to come. Would a Danny Manning have come to a program that had fallen far from glory, failed to make the NCAA annually and had a very small fan following at that point in history? My guess would be no.
Manning was at KS 84-88
Yates was at UC 83-89
He was coming to play for Ed Badger.
Manning was coming until Yates was hired.
Great correction on what now seems ancient history; thanks.
Didn't Badger also have the inside track on LaSalle Thompson until the NCAA threw a wrench in the works that shipped him off to Texas? Talk about two recruits who could have changed history for UC in those bleak years.
(09-11-2020 12:32 PM)OKIcat Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2020 12:06 PM)doss2 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2020 10:22 AM)OKIcat Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2020 09:52 AM)nachoman91 Wrote: [ -> ]I'd like to know if the old rumor is true that Yates final recruiting class included Danny Manning and Dennis Hopson but both decommitted after he got fired. Or maybe one or both didn't verbally commit but were a heavy UC lean before he got fired.
I have no inside information but suspect it is possible they were leaning toward UC. But the writing was on the wall that final season and I believe the fanbase was very divided at that point regarding his retention for that final year and beyond.
Tony Yates will always be a great Bearcat, but the change had to come. Would a Danny Manning have come to a program that had fallen far from glory, failed to make the NCAA annually and had a very small fan following at that point in history? My guess would be no.
Manning was at KS 84-88
Yates was at UC 83-89
He was coming to play for Ed Badger.
Manning was coming until Yates was hired.
Great correction on what now seems ancient history; thanks.
Didn't Badger also have the inside track on LaSalle Thompson until the NCAA threw a wrench in the works that shipped him off to Texas? Talk about two recruits who could have changed history for UC in those bleak years.
LaSalle Thompson was basically a UC lock before somebody bought him a suit for a funeral (iirc).
Danny Manning and his father were big Ed Badger fans and he was definitely a strong UC lean before Badger was fired. One caveat on Danny Manning though is that Kansas hired his father as an assistant coach just before he committed. So it's hard to say how things would have played out if Badger was still coach (maybe Badger hires his dad instead?)
(09-11-2020 12:06 PM)doss2 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2020 10:22 AM)OKIcat Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2020 09:52 AM)nachoman91 Wrote: [ -> ]I'd like to know if the old rumor is true that Yates final recruiting class included Danny Manning and Dennis Hopson but both decommitted after he got fired. Or maybe one or both didn't verbally commit but were a heavy UC lean before he got fired.
I have no inside information but suspect it is possible they were leaning toward UC. But the writing was on the wall that final season and I believe the fanbase was very divided at that point regarding his retention for that final year and beyond.
Tony Yates will always be a great Bearcat, but the change had to come. Would a Danny Manning have come to a program that had fallen far from glory, failed to make the NCAA annually and had a very small fan following at that point in history? My guess would be no.
Manning was at KS 84-88
Yates was at UC 83-89
He was coming to play for Ed Badger.
Manning was coming until Yates was hired.
I don't know about the Bearcats side, but Danny Manning was a really late commitment to Kansas. It was only when Kansas Coach Larry Brown offered Manning's father Ed Manning (who didn't have a college degree) an assistant coaching position with the Jayhawks that Danny Manning signed with Kansas. Coach Brown had coached Ed Manning in the ABA with the Virginia Squires (while wearing a silly bib-overalls outfit.)
IMHO, in the 1990's Tony Yates had a great Cincinnati radio show.
He talked about Bearcats basketball.
Bob Huggins built his first Bearcat teams with a football player and four JC players from nowhere with players that nobody had ever heard of.
His first two teams should have been in the NCAA tournament. One book Hugs wrote said that, well we only really deserved to be in the tournament my second year......
His third season was the final four year.
(09-11-2020 01:27 PM)CoachFickFan Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2020 12:06 PM)doss2 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2020 10:22 AM)OKIcat Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2020 09:52 AM)nachoman91 Wrote: [ -> ]I'd like to know if the old rumor is true that Yates final recruiting class included Danny Manning and Dennis Hopson but both decommitted after he got fired. Or maybe one or both didn't verbally commit but were a heavy UC lean before he got fired.
I have no inside information but suspect it is possible they were leaning toward UC. But the writing was on the wall that final season and I believe the fanbase was very divided at that point regarding his retention for that final year and beyond.
Tony Yates will always be a great Bearcat, but the change had to come. Would a Danny Manning have come to a program that had fallen far from glory, failed to make the NCAA annually and had a very small fan following at that point in history? My guess would be no.
Manning was at KS 84-88
Yates was at UC 83-89
He was coming to play for Ed Badger.
Manning was coming until Yates was hired.
I don't know about the Bearcats side, but Danny Manning was a really late commitment to Kansas. It was only when Kansas Coach Larry Brown offered Manning's father Ed Manning (who didn't have a college degree) an assistant coaching position with the Jayhawks that Danny Manning signed with Kansas. Coach Brown had coached Ed Manning in the ABA with the Virginia Squires (while wearing a silly bib-overalls outfit.)
IMHO, in the 1990's Tony Yates had a great Cincinnati radio show.
He talked about Bearcats basketball.
Bob Huggins built his first Bearcat teams with a football player and four JC players from nowhere with players that nobody had ever heard of.
His first two teams should have been in the NCAA tournament. One book Hugs wrote said that, well we only really deserved to be in the tournament my second year......
His third season was the final four year.
In Tony's defense he left a much better core of players for Bob (Starks/Banks/Robinson for Bob's first two seasons and Tate for one season) than Badger left for Yates. Without that strong nucleus maybe Herb Jones doesn't sign on and our fortunes would not have turned around so quickly. Bob had the recruiting advantage of a new arena. Huggins was a great hire and it brought our program back to glory. However not sure taking over for Badger playing off campus in those years that Bob, Mick or John could have been very much more successful than Tony.
(09-11-2020 02:07 PM)cincybb51 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2020 01:27 PM)CoachFickFan Wrote: [ -> ]Bob Huggins built his first Bearcat teams with a football player and four JC players from nowhere with players that nobody had ever heard of.
In Tony's defense he left a much better core of players for Bob (Starks/Banks/Robinson for Bob's first two seasons and Tate for one season) than Badger left for Yates. Without that strong nucleus maybe Herb Jones doesn't sign on and our fortunes would not have turned around so quickly. Bob had the recruiting advantage of a new arena. Huggins was a great hire and it brought our program back to glory. However not sure taking over for Badger playing off campus in those years that Bob, Mick or John could have been very much more successful than Tony.
Good clarification about Huggs' first year. They had almost no depth, but Huggins did inherit four horses in Starks, Banks, Robinson and Tate from Yates. Sanders was a godsend from the football team to give him a mostly legit starting 5 and they got a bit of bench help from guys like Michael Joiner (3ppg), Brady Hughes (2ppg), BJ Ward (1.6ppg) and Tarrance Gibson (1.2ppg).
(09-11-2020 05:06 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2020 02:07 PM)cincybb51 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2020 01:27 PM)CoachFickFan Wrote: [ -> ]Bob Huggins built his first Bearcat teams with a football player and four JC players from nowhere with players that nobody had ever heard of.
In Tony's defense he left a much better core of players for Bob (Starks/Banks/Robinson for Bob's first two seasons and Tate for one season) than Badger left for Yates. Without that strong nucleus maybe Herb Jones doesn't sign on and our fortunes would not have turned around so quickly. Bob had the recruiting advantage of a new arena. Huggins was a great hire and it brought our program back to glory. However not sure taking over for Badger playing off campus in those years that Bob, Mick or John could have been very much more successful than Tony.
Good clarification about Huggs' first year. They had almost no depth, but Huggins did inherit four horses in Starks, Banks, Robinson and Tate from Yates. Sanders was a godsend from the football team to give him a mostly legit starting 5 and they got a bit of bench help from guys like Michael Joiner (3ppg), Brady Hughes (2ppg), BJ Ward (1.6ppg) and Tarrance Gibson (1.2ppg).
Thanks I thought he was reinventing history making it sound like we started four JC players. Starks,Banks,Robinson and Tate were Iron men that year and had to play too many minutes with no bench. Too bad Vic Carstarphen left for Temple or we probably would have produced a couple more wins to make the NCAA that year.
(09-11-2020 06:14 PM)cincybb51 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2020 05:06 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2020 02:07 PM)cincybb51 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2020 01:27 PM)CoachFickFan Wrote: [ -> ]Bob Huggins built his first Bearcat teams with a football player and four JC players from nowhere with players that nobody had ever heard of.
In Tony's defense he left a much better core of players for Bob (Starks/Banks/Robinson for Bob's first two seasons and Tate for one season) than Badger left for Yates. Without that strong nucleus maybe Herb Jones doesn't sign on and our fortunes would not have turned around so quickly. Bob had the recruiting advantage of a new arena. Huggins was a great hire and it brought our program back to glory. However not sure taking over for Badger playing off campus in those years that Bob, Mick or John could have been very much more successful than Tony.
Good clarification about Huggs' first year. They had almost no depth, but Huggins did inherit four horses in Starks, Banks, Robinson and Tate from Yates. Sanders was a godsend from the football team to give him a mostly legit starting 5 and they got a bit of bench help from guys like Michael Joiner (3ppg), Brady Hughes (2ppg), BJ Ward (1.6ppg) and Tarrance Gibson (1.2ppg).
Thanks I thought he was reinventing history making it sound like we started four JC players. Starks,Banks,Robinson and Tate were Iron men that year and had to play too many minutes with no bench. Too bad Vic Carstarphen left for Temple or we probably would have produced a couple more wins to make the NCAA that year.
Huggs hit the jucos hard after that for guys like Corie, Nelson, Martin, Herb, Nick, Reuben, etc. But that first team was basically the big 4 Yates holdovers, a football walk-on, and a lot of hoping and praying that nobody got hurt or fouled out...
(09-11-2020 12:06 PM)doss2 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2020 10:22 AM)OKIcat Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2020 09:52 AM)nachoman91 Wrote: [ -> ]I'd like to know if the old rumor is true that Yates final recruiting class included Danny Manning and Dennis Hopson but both decommitted after he got fired. Or maybe one or both didn't verbally commit but were a heavy UC lean before he got fired.
I have no inside information but suspect it is possible they were leaning toward UC. But the writing was on the wall that final season and I believe the fanbase was very divided at that point regarding his retention for that final year and beyond.
Tony Yates will always be a great Bearcat, but the change had to come. Would a Danny Manning have come to a program that had fallen far from glory, failed to make the NCAA annually and had a very small fan following at that point in history? My guess would be no.
Manning was at KS 84-88
Yates was at UC 83-89
He was coming to play for Ed Badger.
Manning was coming until Yates was hired.
I know Ed Badger doesn't get much love around here, but he was one my favorites from when I was in school. Andy MacWilliams, who was doing Bearcat basketball on the radio back then, always tells the story that Badger had Manning and Hopson both committed when he got fired. He did have LaSalle Thompson committed a couple years earlier, until that NCAA crap involving an uncle buying him a sport coat......I always loved Badgers high/low, inside/outside, expand/contract offense. Plus, guys like Jelly Jones, Bobby Austin, and Puffy Kennedy were easy to root for.
(09-12-2020 05:37 PM)JUSTGOPLAY Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2020 12:06 PM)doss2 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2020 10:22 AM)OKIcat Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2020 09:52 AM)nachoman91 Wrote: [ -> ]I'd like to know if the old rumor is true that Yates final recruiting class included Danny Manning and Dennis Hopson but both decommitted after he got fired. Or maybe one or both didn't verbally commit but were a heavy UC lean before he got fired.
I have no inside information but suspect it is possible they were leaning toward UC. But the writing was on the wall that final season and I believe the fanbase was very divided at that point regarding his retention for that final year and beyond.
Tony Yates will always be a great Bearcat, but the change had to come. Would a Danny Manning have come to a program that had fallen far from glory, failed to make the NCAA annually and had a very small fan following at that point in history? My guess would be no.
Manning was at KS 84-88
Yates was at UC 83-89
He was coming to play for Ed Badger.
Manning was coming until Yates was hired.
I know Ed Badger doesn't get much love around here, but he was one my favorites from when I was in school. Andy MacWilliams, who was doing Bearcat basketball on the radio back then, always tells the story that Badger had Manning and Hopson both committed when he got fired. He did have LaSalle Thompson committed a couple years earlier, until that NCAA crap involving an uncle buying him a sport coat......I always loved Badgers high/low, inside/outside, expand/contract offense. Plus, guys like Jelly Jones, Bobby Austin, and Puffy Kennedy were easy to root for.
I agree that Badger really gets overlooked by UC fans but I guess I understand it given the high points mostly weren't all that high. I wonder how much different our history would have been had he gotten an extension and brought in Manning and Hopson together (I don't think Hopson was as highly rated as Manning coming out of HS but he obviously had a great college career.)