(09-11-2020 08:21 PM)panama Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2020 07:43 PM)Kaplony Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2020 07:31 PM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ]The B1G news here is that, after stating unequivocally that the decision to postpone football to the Spring was final and would not be revisited, the B1G is obviously now revisiting that decision.
Nah, the real news is the fact that for once the joke that is the Big Slow isn't something from on the field.
The entire tone towards this issue, the B1G and it's commissioner is kind of scary. Anyone involved with decision making for large groups during COVID will tell you that the dat used to make decisions is coming in fast and furiously and changing constantly.
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Which is why you don't make definitive decisions so early in the process like they did. Even while pushing forwards the P3 and the G3 always held the option of shutting down if things got out of control or the data changed. By rushing into shutting down their season without all the data they locked themselves into not playing football this fall, or starting play so late in the process that they aren't going to be part of the P3 process and looking even more foolish than they already do.
Personally I love the fact that the Big Slow is getting hoisted by their own petard here. They were arrogant enough to think that the rest of college football was simply going to fall in line with them because they are the Big Slow. They found out they don't swing anywhere near as big of a stick as they thought and are scrambling now to save face.
(09-11-2020 09:15 PM)Kaplony Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2020 08:21 PM)panama Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2020 07:43 PM)Kaplony Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2020 07:31 PM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ]The B1G news here is that, after stating unequivocally that the decision to postpone football to the Spring was final and would not be revisited, the B1G is obviously now revisiting that decision.
Nah, the real news is the fact that for once the joke that is the Big Slow isn't something from on the field.
The entire tone towards this issue, the B1G and it's commissioner is kind of scary. Anyone involved with decision making for large groups during COVID will tell you that the dat used to make decisions is coming in fast and furiously and changing constantly.
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Which is why you don't make definitive decisions so early in the process like they did. Even while pushing forwards the P3 and the G3 always held the option of shutting down if things got out of control or the data changed. By rushing into shutting down their season without all the data they locked themselves into not playing football this fall, or starting play so late in the process that they aren't going to be part of the P3 process and looking even more foolish than they already do.
Personally I love the fact that the Big Slow is getting hoisted by their own petard here. They were arrogant enough to think that the rest of college football was simply going to fall in line with them because they are the Big Slow. They found out they don't swing anywhere near as big of a stick as they thought and are scrambling now to save face.
Big slow? You have social issues don't you. They made a decision based upon avail be information in their area. When they made their decisions COVID was peaking in the Midwest. They made a decision based upon safety rather than $$$.
Geez it's just football and it's not even your football conference.
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(09-11-2020 09:28 PM)panama Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2020 09:15 PM)Kaplony Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2020 08:21 PM)panama Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2020 07:43 PM)Kaplony Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2020 07:31 PM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ]The B1G news here is that, after stating unequivocally that the decision to postpone football to the Spring was final and would not be revisited, the B1G is obviously now revisiting that decision.
Nah, the real news is the fact that for once the joke that is the Big Slow isn't something from on the field.
The entire tone towards this issue, the B1G and it's commissioner is kind of scary. Anyone involved with decision making for large groups during COVID will tell you that the dat used to make decisions is coming in fast and furiously and changing constantly.
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Which is why you don't make definitive decisions so early in the process like they did. Even while pushing forwards the P3 and the G3 always held the option of shutting down if things got out of control or the data changed. By rushing into shutting down their season without all the data they locked themselves into not playing football this fall, or starting play so late in the process that they aren't going to be part of the P3 process and looking even more foolish than they already do.
Personally I love the fact that the Big Slow is getting hoisted by their own petard here. They were arrogant enough to think that the rest of college football was simply going to fall in line with them because they are the Big Slow. They found out they don't swing anywhere near as big of a stick as they thought and are scrambling now to save face.
Big slow? You have social issues don't you. They made a decision based upon avail be information in their area. When they made their decisions COVID was peaking in the Midwest. They made a decision based upon safety rather than $$$.
Geez it's just football and it's not even your football conference.
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1. It's not your school's conference either.
2. They made a decision when those making the decision didn't know one was being made.
3. They made a decision in which they compelled schools in sovereign states not to play. GOR's can compel them to play for the sake of honoring a shared contract. No school has ever been compelled not to play except SMU as punishment for violations of recruiting, and most today don't get that penalty because nobody truly believes it would stand up in court again.
4. They made an unclear decision and have crawfished ever since to try to justify it.
I think there's a great chance that Nebraska wins this case. The last time schools chose not to play a season, or two in some cases, was during WWII, and even then the decision was voluntary. There is no precedent for telling schools they must not play. And at the heart of this will be the ability of an ancillary governing board to prevent a state university from earning income that reduces the tax burden of the citizens of that state, and therein lies the test for the efficacy of an Athletic GOR that binds state schools to the decisions made by an entity unrelated to the state.
So it's going to be an extremely interesting case. If Nebraska wins, and should they choose to leave the GOR for the Big 10 could be voided and the FOX contract modified or forced to be redone. In short the Big 10 overreached in its decision and if it is deemed that they had no right to force Nebraska's compliance it may end the GOR matter for the conferences, and that would create a massive window for realignment for all state schools.
Its...
...just
Football...
Compelled?! Holy cow. Everyone has lost their ever loving minds.
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(09-11-2020 10:16 PM)panama Wrote: [ -> ]Its...
...just
Football...
Compelled?! Holy cow. Everyone has lost their ever loving minds.
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Yes Compelled. If you chose to have a football season you may be expelled from the Big 10 were the words I believe the conference office sent to Nebraska.
(09-11-2020 09:43 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2020 09:28 PM)panama Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2020 09:15 PM)Kaplony Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2020 08:21 PM)panama Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2020 07:43 PM)Kaplony Wrote: [ -> ]Nah, the real news is the fact that for once the joke that is the Big Slow isn't something from on the field.
The entire tone towards this issue, the B1G and it's commissioner is kind of scary. Anyone involved with decision making for large groups during COVID will tell you that the dat used to make decisions is coming in fast and furiously and changing constantly.
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Which is why you don't make definitive decisions so early in the process like they did. Even while pushing forwards the P3 and the G3 always held the option of shutting down if things got out of control or the data changed. By rushing into shutting down their season without all the data they locked themselves into not playing football this fall, or starting play so late in the process that they aren't going to be part of the P3 process and looking even more foolish than they already do.
Personally I love the fact that the Big Slow is getting hoisted by their own petard here. They were arrogant enough to think that the rest of college football was simply going to fall in line with them because they are the Big Slow. They found out they don't swing anywhere near as big of a stick as they thought and are scrambling now to save face.
Big slow? You have social issues don't you. They made a decision based upon avail be information in their area. When they made their decisions COVID was peaking in the Midwest. They made a decision based upon safety rather than $$$.
Geez it's just football and it's not even your football conference.
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1. It's not your school's conference either.
2. They made a decision when those making the decision didn't know one was being made.
3. They made a decision in which they compelled schools in sovereign states not to play. GOR's can compel them to play for the sake of honoring a shared contract. No school has ever been compelled not to play except SMU as punishment for violations of recruiting, and most today don't get that penalty because nobody truly believes it would stand up in court again.
4. They made an unclear decision and have crawfished ever since to try to justify it.
I think there's a great chance that Nebraska wins this case. The last time schools chose not to play a season, or two in some cases, was during WWII, and even then the decision was voluntary. There is no precedent for telling schools they must not play. And at the heart of this will be the ability of an ancillary governing board to prevent a state university from earning income that reduces the tax burden of the citizens of that state, and therein lies the test for the efficacy of an Athletic GOR that binds state schools to the decisions made by an entity unrelated to the state.
So it's going to be an extremely interesting case. If Nebraska wins, and should they choose to leave the GOR for the Big 10 could be voided and the FOX contract modified or forced to be redone. In short the Big 10 overreached in its decision and if it is deemed that they had no right to force Nebraska's compliance it may end the GOR matter for the conferences, and that would create a massive window for realignment for all state schools.
Nebraska could lose when other conference already canceled games.
La. Tech at Baylor when 38 La. Tech players tested positive.
SMU at TCU
Tulsa at Oklahoma State canceled.
Tennessee have to place a lot of the football players into quarrantine.
The problem is, games are played with backups when the stars opted out to play, or the majority of the teams tested positive and games to be canceled. As it is, both Big Ten and PAC 12 along with the MAC and MWC threw in the towel. Big 12 are now on the verge to postpone the season. The virus is dictating the outcome. Not Parents, players, fans, coaches and ADS.
(09-11-2020 11:10 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote: [ -> ]What is the Big Slow?
It is what Kap always calls that entity known as the Big Ten conference.
(09-12-2020 12:38 AM)TerryD Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2020 11:10 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote: [ -> ]What is the Big Slow?
It is what Kap always calls that entity known as the Big Ten conference.
Yep, we're the parasites and they're the big slow.
Kap's nickname game is strong.
(09-11-2020 02:54 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote: [ -> ]The hits just keep on coming.
https://journalstar.com/sports/huskers/f...9f84c.html
Wow.
Quote:The office of Doug Peterson on Friday issued a letter to the Big Ten notifying Commissioner Kevin Warren that the conference appears to be out of compliance with the Nebraska Nonprofit Corporation Act. According to a news release from Peterson's office, the attorney general is responsible for overseeing compliance with the act by nonprofits operating in the state.
Quote:Peterson's letter to Warren states, in part: "It has come to my attention that your corporation is operating and conducting business within the State of Nebraska without being registered and/or failing to maintain registration to conduct business within the State of Nebraska."
The Big Ten has failed to file documentation to register to conduct business within the State of Nebraska.
This is a SERIOUS VIOLATION of Nebraska law. Incredibly serious.
The only fair remedy is that the Big Ten must be barred from having any members in the State of Nebraska. The Huskers will go elsewhere, because the outlaw Big Ten cannot be permitted to have the University of Nebraska or any other institution in that state as a member. The State of Nebraska will not permit that to go on any longer.
You know who else has FAILED to register to conduct business within the State of Nebraska?
The NCAA.
They, too, must be severely punished in a manner that will deter other would-be outlaws from failing to register to conduct business within the State of Nebraska.
The College World Series can no longer be allowed to take place in the State of Nebraska. The NCAA will have to take its outlaw baseball tournament elsewhere, perhaps to some state where their egregious outlaw behavior is somehow tolerated.
(09-11-2020 10:24 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2020 10:16 PM)panama Wrote: [ -> ]Its...
...just
Football...
Compelled?! Holy cow. Everyone has lost their ever loving minds.
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Yes Compelled. If you chose to have a football season you may be expelled from the Big 10 were the words I believe the conference office sent to Nebraska.
So the SEC office wouldn't have an issue if South Carolina decided on their own to play Clemson as a non conference game this season after the conference decided to play only a 10 game conference season this year? The ACC didn't ban non conference games. It wouldn't be perceived as a lack of unity? The SEC wouldn't come down on South Carolina or threaten to the same way if word got out? Or if Florida wanted to play Florida State? Or if LSU still wanted to play Texas?
Nebraska wasn't threatened with expulsion just because they wanted to play. Ohio State wants to play and is talking about playing but is saying it is up to a conference decision, they won't play unless the conference reconsiders. Nebraska talked about going rogue and saying screw you to the Big Ten when it came to playing in the fall. When the SEC decided to go conference only, I'm sure it wasn't unanimous but a strong majority favored it so that was the decision made. When you are in a conference, you go with the decisions of the conference, you don't just go against them when you don't agree. Plus, most of the Big Ten doesn't want the western crap in the conference to begin with. I doubt Kevin Warren's kicking Ohio State out of the Big Ten even if they had decided to play football in the fall this season. But Nebraska? Enjoy the Big 12 where you belong.
(09-11-2020 09:28 PM)panama Wrote: [ -> ]Big slow? You have social issues don't you. They made a decision based upon avail be information in their area. When they made their decisions COVID was peaking in the Midwest. They made a decision based upon safety rather than $$$.
Geez it's just football and it's not even your football conference.
"Just football"? This is a forum for discussing college athletics. If you don't think college athletics, such as football, is worth discussing, then what are you doing here?
Also, I don't think anyone is criticizing the B1G for the decision not to play. The criticisms are over timing and communication. There was NO reason for the B1G to cancel Fall football when they did. It was a poor decision, because it boxed them in to a course of action when the virus situation is dynamic and evolving. The SEC/ACC/B12 made the right decision to plan on a Fall season, because they maintained all their options - none of them said for sure that a season would be played, only that they would plan on playing and then make adjustments as the situations evolves. The SEC can still cancel football if the situation changes. The ACC, even though it has now played a game, can also still cancel the season today if they want to. But it's far harder to start a season once you have canceled than to stop it once you've started playing. And we all know the communication of that decision was poor at best, arrogant at worst.
Those are the reasons the B1G is being hammered, and rightly so IMO.
(09-11-2020 11:10 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote: [ -> ]What is the Big Slow?
It’s what insecure fans from weaker, underperforming conferences call the very stable, highly academically respected, and well compensated for their tv rights Big Ten Conference.
They are very big words for fans of a conference where, if you took away their best team in 2019, they were basically the AAC.
(09-12-2020 07:27 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2020 11:10 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote: [ -> ]What is the Big Slow?
It’s what insecure fans from weaker, underperforming conferences call the very stable, highly academically respected, and well compensated for their tv rights Big Ten Conference.
They are very big words for fans of a conference where, if you took away their best team in 2019, they were basically the AAC.
The ACC *was* basically the AAC last year, even with the ACC's best team factored in to the assessments.
(09-12-2020 07:12 AM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2020 09:28 PM)panama Wrote: [ -> ]Big slow? You have social issues don't you. They made a decision based upon avail be information in their area. When they made their decisions COVID was peaking in the Midwest. They made a decision based upon safety rather than $$$.
Geez it's just football and it's not even your football conference.
"Just football"? This is a forum for discussing college athletics. If you don't think college athletics, such as football, is worth discussing, then what are you doing here? That's like me going to a forum dedicated to Hummingbird watching and saying "why are you clowns wasting your time here? They're just Hummingbirds". Crazy. FWIW, the schools of the B1G obviously think athletics are worthy of time and effort, they formed an entire conference on that basis.
Also, I don't think anyone is criticizing the B1G for the decision not to play. The criticisms are over timing and communication. There was NO reason for the B1G to cancel Fall football when they did. It was a poor decision, because it boxed them in to a course of action when the virus situation is dynamic and evolving. The SEC/ACC/B12 made the right decision to plan on a Fall season, because they maintained all their options - none of them said for sure that a season would be played, only that they would plan on playing and then make adjustments as the situations evolves. The SEC can still cancel football if the situation changes. The ACC, even though it has now played a game, can also still cancel the season today if they want to. But it's far harder to start a season once you have canceled than to stop it once you've started playing. And we all know the communication of that decision was poor at best, arrogant at worst.
Those are the reasons the B1G is being hammered, and rightly so IMO.
I can't speak for panama but when he/she said "just football" I don't think he/she doesn't like football or that it isn't important, just that it isn't the life and death event that some CSNBBS posters make it sound like it is. You have entire damn threads about the Big Ten splitting apart or talking about Ohio State and Michigan joining the SEC and kissing Mississippi and Mississippi State's butts because they can't play football for one season.
It is one thing to disagree with or even to criticize the Big Ten for their decision to cancel the fall football season and another to go completely off the deep end. I love football. I'm not willing to die over it. I'm not willing to have my kids (I don't have any) die over it. I'm not willing to have Penn State or Illinois join a conference with Dumb and Dumber permanently and eventually become no better than community colleges just so we can play football in 2020. When I say "just football", that's what I mean, not that I don't like football at all. And if this is a thread about "college athletics", why is there way more hatred now then there was when they canceled other college sports? And again, the Big Ten isn't the only conference that canceled fall football. They're not even the only Power 5 conference that canceled. Where's the Oregon to the SEC rumors or Oregon to the Big 12 rumors?
I'm sick of everyone treating the Big Ten like we're trash. If you want to criticize us for not playing, go ahead. But know where to draw the line.
(09-12-2020 07:27 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2020 11:10 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote: [ -> ]What is the Big Slow?
It’s what insecure fans from weaker, underperforming conferences call the very stable, highly academically respected, and well compensated for their tv rights Big Ten Conference.
They are very big words for fans of a conference where, if you took away their best team in 2019, they were basically the AAC.
No, it is just one guy, just Kap.
He is a Clemson fan.
He hates that his team is in the ACC.
He is certainly not an ACC "fanboy", to say the least.
Knocking the ACC is no retort at all to Kap. He will agree and laugh at you.
(09-12-2020 08:10 AM)schmolik Wrote: [ -> ] (09-12-2020 07:12 AM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2020 09:28 PM)panama Wrote: [ -> ]Big slow? You have social issues don't you. They made a decision based upon avail be information in their area. When they made their decisions COVID was peaking in the Midwest. They made a decision based upon safety rather than $$$.
Geez it's just football and it's not even your football conference.
"Just football"? This is a forum for discussing college athletics. If you don't think college athletics, such as football, is worth discussing, then what are you doing here? That's like me going to a forum dedicated to Hummingbird watching and saying "why are you clowns wasting your time here? They're just Hummingbirds". Crazy. FWIW, the schools of the B1G obviously think athletics are worthy of time and effort, they formed an entire conference on that basis.
Also, I don't think anyone is criticizing the B1G for the decision not to play. The criticisms are over timing and communication. There was NO reason for the B1G to cancel Fall football when they did. It was a poor decision, because it boxed them in to a course of action when the virus situation is dynamic and evolving. The SEC/ACC/B12 made the right decision to plan on a Fall season, because they maintained all their options - none of them said for sure that a season would be played, only that they would plan on playing and then make adjustments as the situations evolves. The SEC can still cancel football if the situation changes. The ACC, even though it has now played a game, can also still cancel the season today if they want to. But it's far harder to start a season once you have canceled than to stop it once you've started playing. And we all know the communication of that decision was poor at best, arrogant at worst.
Those are the reasons the B1G is being hammered, and rightly so IMO.
I can't speak for panama but when he/she said "just football" I don't think he/she doesn't like football or that it isn't important, just that it isn't the life and death event that some CSNBBS posters make it sound like it is. You have entire damn threads about the Big Ten splitting apart or talking about Ohio State and Michigan joining the SEC and kissing Mississippi and Mississippi State's butts because they can't play football for one season.
It is one thing to disagree with or even to criticize the Big Ten for their decision to cancel the fall football season and another to go completely off the deep end. I love football. I'm not willing to die over it. I'm not willing to have my kids (I don't have any) die over it. I'm not willing to have Penn State or Illinois join a conference with Dumb and Dumber permanently and eventually become no better than community colleges just so we can play football in 2020. When I say "just football", that's what I mean, not that I don't like football at all. And if this is a thread about "college athletics", why is there way more hatred now then there was when they canceled other college sports? And again, the Big Ten isn't the only conference that canceled fall football. They're not even the only Power 5 conference that canceled. Where's the Oregon to the SEC rumors or Oregon to the Big 12 rumors?
I'm sick of everyone treating the Big Ten like we're trash. If you want to criticize us for not playing, go ahead. But know where to draw the line.
Come on. This is a realignment forum. Crazy theories about teams from conference A moving to conference B for whatever reason are commonplace, nobody is picking on the B1G.
And the B1G is in the spotlight because it put itself there. It is the biggest non-playing conference, and unlike the PAC, it is obviously internally split on the issue. It's not outsiders that have held the B1G's feet to the fire over this, it's been B1G insiders like coaches, ADs, and even entire schools. If the B1G was unified, we wouldn't be having so much discussion about it.
IMO, your post is filled with the same hyperbole that Panama's is. Who is going completely off the deep end and suggesting that you or your family should die for football? You are being oversensitive.
(09-12-2020 07:27 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2020 11:10 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote: [ -> ]What is the Big Slow?
It’s what insecure fans from weaker, underperforming conferences call the very stable, highly academically respected, and well compensated for their tv rights Big Ten Conference.
They are very big words for fans of a conference where, if you took away their best team in 2019, they were basically the AAC.
Leave it to an Ohi0-4 State fan to get it all wrong.
Now go dream about the days when the Suckeyes didn't have to face Daddy in the first round of the playoffs.
(09-12-2020 09:55 AM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ]Come on. This is a realignment forum. Crazy theories about teams from conference A moving to conference B for whatever reason are commonplace, nobody is picking on the B1G.
And the B1G is in the spotlight because it put itself there. It is the biggest non-playing conference, and unlike the PAC, it is obviously internally split on the issue. It's not outsiders that have held the B1G's feet to the fire over this, it's been B1G insiders like coaches, ADs, and even entire schools. If the B1G was unified, we wouldn't be having so much discussion about it.
IMO, your post is filled with the same hyperbole that Panama's is. Who is going completely off the deep end and suggesting that you or your family should die for football? You are being oversensitive.
Is the Big Ten "split"? The vote among the presidents (from what we were told) was 11-3, it just happened that one of the 3 was the biggest power in the conference and a lot of people are amplifying OSU's desire to play. Ryan Day wants to play (as does Jim Harbaugh and James Franklin) but I don't hear much from any of these universities presidents or AD's. The only president/AD I hear about wanting to play or even going to play was from the black sheep of the conference. That doesn't mean the conference is split. People are taking that and acting like the conference is "split". There isn't a lot of transparency and maybe in the next few weeks we'll get it. I hope so and we'll find out whether all of the "Big Ten is split" talk will be revealed as a bunch of bullcrap ... or justified (I hope for my schools sake it winds up being bullcrap).
FWIW, I do not hate the B1G. To the contrary, I WANT the B1G to play football this fall. They add tremendously to the competition and the fun of watching college football.
My fear about today's medical task force meeting is "Escalation of Commitment". This is the psychological tendency to stick with a course of action even if new information points towards a change in course, "throwing good money after bad".
EofC is particularly likely when the original decision has been publicly criticized and lines in the sand have been drawn. In those situations, the decision-makers have a tendency to become obstinate because they want to save face, they fear that if they change course their critics will celebrate at their expense, "We Told You So!", etc. Egos are now involved.
University presidents are proud men jealous of their high status. The LAST thing they want to do is open themselves up to mocking and ridicule, and a change in direction could bring that, thus making obstinacy about not playing more likely even if the medical evidence suggests that playing now is a good decision.