05-26-2021, 10:02 AM
(05-26-2021 09:57 AM)Rice93 Wrote: [ -> ](05-26-2021 09:45 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ](05-26-2021 09:29 AM)Rice93 Wrote: [ -> ](05-26-2021 09:07 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ](05-26-2021 12:49 AM)Rice93 Wrote: [ -> ][quote='OptimisticOwl' pid='17438824' dateline='1622003614']
We have strayed into a lot of little rabbit trails. We are tying ourselves into knots.
It really is simple.
The one question is this:
Is it OK to do bad things for good reasons, yes or no?
Yes or no? Really? That's quite a question.
I don't know... killing somebody is generally a bad thing however killing Hitler's German forces is generally considered pretty good. So in this situation I would say yes.
Somewhere, way back there, I said that there was a certain group of people who would answer "it depends", and SHAZAM!, here you are.
Wait... so you are good with saying an emphatic "No" to your own question? Where do you fall on my killing Nazi soldier example? That was the wrong thing to do?
Even in the Bible, where it says "Thou shalt not kill, there are lots of battles between armies. I don't consider every killing to be a sin, as I have made clear in the abortion discussions, where I define abortions as falling under the umbrella of legitimate killings". I certainly think that a police killing a gunman who is threatening other lives is OK, even if the gunman is black. I think back to a sermon I heard in my youth where the preacher said the proper translation for the Commandment was Thou shat not murder. Killing enemy soldiers in wartime is not considered murder; killing POWS is. I would not condone the killing of POWs even if there is a "good" reason.
Some killing is OK is some situations but it's not OK in some situations? Like it's a judgement call depending on the circumstances?
You made all killings to the same a predicate for your discussion, not mine.
I explained. I guess you missed it in your zeal to protect your option to support racist policies.
I do oppose all murders.
OK, 93, you have my permission to support racist policies. I choose not to. end of discussion.