Has this footage changed your mind? Still excessive? Not excessive? Bueller?
When interacting with law enforcement it is best to make them feel as comfortable with you as you can. Don’t resist and don’t give them lip. A lot of people who are dead now would be alive today if they just complied.
Cop says "I think he passed out" and they stay on top of him. People are saying he aint breathing bro.. he isnt responsive.. check his pulse.
yeah jail time for that cop. That one cop did not stop, the other cops moved off him. The ass cop just would not quit until he killed the guy. JAIL TIME
(08-11-2020 02:37 PM)memtigbb Wrote: [ -> ]Cop says "I think he passed out" and they stay on top of him. People are saying he aint breathing bro.. he isnt responsive.. check his pulse.
yeah jail time for that cop. That one cop did not stop, the other cops moved off him. The ass cop just would not quit until he killed the guy. JAIL TIME
Unfortunately they chose to charge him with 2nd Degree Murder. That body cam footage would not convict anyone of 2nd Degree Murder. They over charged and when he walks we will have new riots.
(08-11-2020 02:37 PM)memtigbb Wrote: [ -> ]Cop says "I think he passed out" and they stay on top of him. People are saying he aint breathing bro.. he isnt responsive.. check his pulse.
yeah jail time for that cop. That one cop did not stop, the other cops moved off him. The ass cop just would not quit until he killed the guy. JAIL TIME
Unfortunately they chose to charge him with 2nd Degree Murder. That body cam footage would not convict anyone of 2nd Degree Murder. They over charged and when he walks we will have new riots.
Yeah I have said that since the beginning. When they raised his charges from 3rd to 2nd... They should have gone with some kind of negligent homicide. That would be a slam dunk. By charging him with a type of murder they are making it easy for the defense to get him off.
(08-11-2020 02:37 PM)memtigbb Wrote: [ -> ]Cop says "I think he passed out" and they stay on top of him. People are saying he aint breathing bro.. he isnt responsive.. check his pulse.
yeah jail time for that cop. That one cop did not stop, the other cops moved off him. The ass cop just would not quit until he killed the guy. JAIL TIME
Yea, and he was the ranking officer or whatever they'd call him, senior officer maybe, at the scene. If what I heard was correct, and it's been several weeks now, one of the guys was on his second SHIFT, other guy had been around a couple weeks or so. Think they're gonna try to tell the career 20yr guy what to do and how to do it?
In a perfect world? Perhaps. Real world? T'aint happnin
(08-11-2020 02:37 PM)memtigbb Wrote: [ -> ]Cop says "I think he passed out" and they stay on top of him. People are saying he aint breathing bro.. he isnt responsive.. check his pulse.
yeah jail time for that cop. That one cop did not stop, the other cops moved off him. The ass cop just would not quit until he killed the guy. JAIL TIME
Unfortunately they chose to charge him with 2nd Degree Murder. That body cam footage would not convict anyone of 2nd Degree Murder. They over charged and when he walks we will have new riots.
(08-11-2020 02:37 PM)memtigbb Wrote: [ -> ]Cop says "I think he passed out" and they stay on top of him. People are saying he aint breathing bro.. he isnt responsive.. check his pulse.
yeah jail time for that cop. That one cop did not stop, the other cops moved off him. The ass cop just would not quit until he killed the guy. JAIL TIME
Unfortunately they chose to charge him with 2nd Degree Murder. That body cam footage would not convict anyone of 2nd Degree Murder. They over charged and when he walks we will have new riots.
Yeah I have said that since the beginning. When they raised his charges from 3rd to 2nd... They should have gone with some kind of negligent homicide. That would be a slam dunk. By charging him with a type of murder they are making it easy for the defense to get him off.
Pretty sure some States than can do a "conviction of lesser included charges" or something like that. One of the resident lawyers can clean that up. IOW's in my understanding if the jury can't find a guilty verdict for 2nd degree, they can find guilt to a lesser charge. Others apparently if you swing for the fences and come up short, tough schit, they walk.
I don't like the knee in the back long after he had passed out, but good grief Floyd was acting a complete fool and created the entire situation. If he has just got in the car he would be alive.
This is exactly why Keith Ellison did not want this footage to be seen, because the footage is so damning for George Floyd.
There is a special place in hell for people like you Keith Ellison, who distort and cover up the truth for the sake of hundreds of millions of dollars in damage in looting, rioting, innocent deaths, destroyed lives and businesses and for tearing an entire nation apart for your racist evil political agenda. And for all the cable TV talking heads and politicians who have blow this thing up into a national meltdown for the same racist, evil political agenda.
These people are human feces that need to be flushed down the toilet yesterday. Evey lying word, every lying deed they will be judged for by a righteous God on judgment day. They are going to pay a BIG price and they have earned it, and they are going to KNOW IT.
(08-11-2020 02:37 PM)memtigbb Wrote: [ -> ]Cop says "I think he passed out" and they stay on top of him. People are saying he aint breathing bro.. he isnt responsive.. check his pulse.
yeah jail time for that cop. That one cop did not stop, the other cops moved off him. The ass cop just would not quit until he killed the guy. JAIL TIME
don't be that guy. do you REALLY believe the officer wanted to kill Mr. Floyd? When the autopsy results are released and it becomes clear the mixture of drugs in his system was the primary reason for his suffocation, will you still spout the nonsense?
(08-11-2020 02:37 PM)memtigbb Wrote: [ -> ]Cop says "I think he passed out" and they stay on top of him. People are saying he aint breathing bro.. he isnt responsive.. check his pulse.
yeah jail time for that cop. That one cop did not stop, the other cops moved off him. The ass cop just would not quit until he killed the guy. JAIL TIME
Unfortunately they chose to charge him with 2nd Degree Murder. That body cam footage would not convict anyone of 2nd Degree Murder. They over charged and when he walks we will have new riots.
They didnt use the 'normal' 2nd degree murder (i.e. intent based) in his charging.
They used the alternate 2nd degree murder charge coming from a 'felony murder' theory -- where the underlying felony was an aggravated assault of George.
In most states, you cannot bootstrap a felony murder add-on from a lesser included charge; but in MN you can, and they did so here.
Under MN law, they may not have overcharged ---- the issue will be is 'when exactly did a lawful restraint of a resisting suspect magically change into a felony assault'. The current group of videos will make that an awfully hard question to answer.
The charges against the other three became *very* problematic with these videos, imo.
(08-11-2020 02:37 PM)memtigbb Wrote: [ -> ]Cop says "I think he passed out" and they stay on top of him. People are saying he aint breathing bro.. he isnt responsive.. check his pulse.
yeah jail time for that cop. That one cop did not stop, the other cops moved off him. The ass cop just would not quit until he killed the guy. JAIL TIME
Unfortunately they chose to charge him with 2nd Degree Murder. That body cam footage would not convict anyone of 2nd Degree Murder. They over charged and when he walks we will have new riots.
Yeah I have said that since the beginning. When they raised his charges from 3rd to 2nd... They should have gone with some kind of negligent homicide. That would be a slam dunk. By charging him with a type of murder they are making it easy for the defense to get him off.
Pretty sure some States than can do a "conviction of lesser included charges" or something like that. One of the resident lawyers can clean that up. IOW's in my understanding if the jury can't find a guilty verdict for 2nd degree, they can find guilt to a lesser charge. Others apparently if you swing for the fences and come up short, tough schit, they walk.
Guess we'll see.
In this case there isnt a 'homicide-type' lesser included charge. This case is based on a felony-murder charge, not the traditional 2nd degree murder (i.e. killing with intent).
In most states, you have to bring a listing of each charge -- whether it is a lesser included or not. The prosecution will typically 'try' the higher one, and have a separate question set for the charged but not emphasized lesser charge as a back up.
If this were a traditional 2nd degree charge (i.e. a killing with intent to do so), the prosecution would charge, or not charge, the lesser includeds as they saw fit as to the strength of the max case.
But in a felony murder case, the theory isnt 'an intentional killing' --- the theory is 'you were committing a felony, and in the course of that felony someone was killed'. The intent of the other felony 'transfers' to the killing, so to speak.
Example, assume a state had a felony count for stealing more than 20 marbles. If the perp steals 20 marbles, and then accidentally elbows a pedestrian off of the curb where the pedestrian strikes his head and dies, the act of the killing would be a 2nd degree felony murder charge for the death, instead of a mere minor assault.
If he steals 10 marbles (not a felony), the action with the pedestrian is an assault.
The MN charge on Chauvin is bootstrapping an assault of George as a felony, making his death a felony murder. MN is somewhat unique, since the assault is a lesser included, and only a handful of states allow a lesser included to be the felony that elevates a death into 2nd degree murder.
(08-11-2020 02:18 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote: [ -> ]Has this footage changed your mind? Still excessive? Not excessive? Bueller?
When interacting with law enforcement it is best to make them feel as comfortable with you as you can. Don’t resist and don’t give them lip. A lot of people who are dead now would be alive today if they just complied.
nice! we've gone from 'Give me Liberty, or give me death' to 'comply at all times and don't resist'
we should be SO proud of our big happy police state.[/rollseyes]
It's very strange to me, who's not an expert on police policy, death from strangulation, & drug effects. ----- He's spouting 'I can't breathe' VERY clearly over & over and then literally the next second, it seems he's passed out - I had to rewind to find that moment, it happens in a snap I hadn't even realized it! He was acting very hysteric the second they start talking to him. The cops even told him they thought he was fine - and that's SECONDS before he's passed out.
If they had got off him then, they'd be NOT GUILTY in my mind. My question is: why did they stay on him? They may've felt a pulse still? You can hear someone in the background yelling to check his pulse - it looks to me like one of the cops has his hand around Floyd's wrist then.....
I think it was largely drugs that killed him. The drugs causing him to be hysteric, combined with his clear un-cooperation is why they acted the way they did - until that key moment when they decide to stay on him. Has the autopsy officially ruled cause of death?
Does anyone have the original video that started it all? I'm trying to find it but this is the only one that's coming up in Results!
There was resistance he had every chance for this to end differently. If he hadn't had fentanyl in his system it may have ended differently too. Cop may be convicted of 2nd degree murder cause the jurors know extremely violent riots will follow an acquittal.
(08-11-2020 06:46 PM)Bronco14 Wrote: [ -> ]It's very strange to me, who's not an expert on police policy, death from strangulation, & drug effects. ----- He's spouting 'I can't breathe' VERY clearly over & over and then literally the next second, it seems he's passed out - I had to rewind to find that moment, it happens in a snap I hadn't even realized it! He was acting very hysteric the second they start talking to him. The cops even told him they thought he was fine - and that's SECONDS before he's passed out.
If they had got off him then, they'd be NOT GUILTY in my mind. My question is: why did they stay on him? They may've felt a pulse still? You can hear someone in the background yelling to check his pulse - it looks to me like one of the cops has his hand around Floyd's wrist then.....
I think it was largely drugs that killed him. The drugs causing him to be hysteric, combined with his clear un-cooperation is why they acted the way they did - until that key moment when they decide to stay on him. Has the autopsy officially ruled cause of death?
Does anyone have the original video that started it all? I'm trying to find it but this is the only one that's coming up in Results!
First ---- George is saying 'I cant breathe' even *before* he was on the ground. He was saying it as they were trying to get him into the cruiser, and he wasnt sitting down.
He said that over and over and over --- many times *before* he was on the ground.
The question becomes, given that consistent saying of that *even* before on the ground, "when is he just saying that in a 'purely resistive' mode (i.e. when they are trying to get him to sit in the car, when they are leading him to the cruiser) and when is it a *real* thing"? I can understand why the cops did not believe him when he was on the ground, mind you....
Second ---- The autopsy showed almost 3x the fatal level of fentanyl in his system. Per the CDC, the effects of fentanyl are "reduced respiratory function (respiratory depression), reduced blood oxygen content (hypoxia)" -- that is it reduces your breathing *and* it interferes with the ability of the body to oxygenate blood.
With 3x a fatal dose, I am not surprised at all that George 'couldnt breathe'. He was slow motion dying due to opioid overdose right then and there.
(08-11-2020 06:46 PM)Bronco14 Wrote: [ -> ]It's very strange to me, who's not an expert on police policy, death from strangulation, & drug effects. ----- He's spouting 'I can't breathe' VERY clearly over & over and then literally the next second, it seems he's passed out - I had to rewind to find that moment, it happens in a snap I hadn't even realized it! He was acting very hysteric the second they start talking to him. The cops even told him they thought he was fine - and that's SECONDS before he's passed out.
If they had got off him then, they'd be NOT GUILTY in my mind. My question is: why did they stay on him? They may've felt a pulse still? You can hear someone in the background yelling to check his pulse - it looks to me like one of the cops has his hand around Floyd's wrist then.....
I think it was largely drugs that killed him. The drugs causing him to be hysteric, combined with his clear un-cooperation is why they acted the way they did - until that key moment when they decide to stay on him. Has the autopsy officially ruled cause of death?
Does anyone have the original video that started it all? I'm trying to find it but this is the only one that's coming up in Results!
In my experience every time someone has been physically restrained in a prone position they claim they can't breathe. 99.9% of the time it's absolute BS.
Ironically, there was a study released by a doctor from the University of Minnesota last year that proved that "restraint asphyxia" was a myth.
If you acquit this guy - Portland will be Disneyland compared to what will happen across the country. If you send this guy to jail, you are doing it to simply keep the former from happening and handing that guy a death sentence too..
Floyd was clearly resisting and not complying with the officers requests from the start of that whole mess... He did not deserve to die - on that everyone agrees, but how much of that did he do to himself.... When you insert your arm into a Shark's mouth, you should not be surprised if the shark bites your arm off....
(08-12-2020 06:54 AM)Eldonabe Wrote: [ -> ]I would not want to be on this jury.........
If you acquit this guy - Portland will be Disneyland compared to what will happen across the country. If you send this guy to jail, you are doing it to simply keep the former from happening and handing that guy a death sentence too..
Floyd was clearly resisting and not complying with the officers requests from the start of that whole mess... He did not deserve to die - on that everyone agrees, but how much of that did he do to himself.... When you insert your arm into a Shark's mouth, you should not be surprised if the shark bites your arm off....
Also, carrying a 300% lethal load of fentynal at the time doesnt help your chances in the slightest.