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(07-11-2020 11:01 PM)Stammers Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-11-2020 10:53 PM)snowtiger Wrote: [ -> ]We already saw quite a bit when the House flipped in the midterms.

What did we see? What did it prove?

Nothing.

i hope they ban everyone of you people.

Meanwhile - Putin smirks.

(07-11-2020 10:05 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-11-2020 10:00 PM)Keeper Wrote: [ -> ]

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(07-11-2020 09:49 PM)Keeper Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-11-2020 02:09 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote: [ -> ]Very true

yep. that dwindling 33% approval rating.

Yep and Hillary was way up in the polls.

Yes she was. She was also overconfident and greedy. So she won the popular vote but lost the electoral college. The last two Republican presidents won presidential elections that way. Could happen again, but not likely this year. He is even more unpopular than Jimmy Carter was in his bid for re-election.

Not hardly my friend. Everyone that voted for him last time will again and then some.

You are delusional.

(07-11-2020 11:32 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-11-2020 01:28 PM)Stammers Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-10-2020 10:42 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote: [ -> ]Why are we arguing numbers.

136,000 Americans are dead in 4 months. Up to 60,000 dead from the flu and we have a vaccine for the flu. Approaching 600,000 Covid dead globally. Maybe when we have a vaccine for COVID feel safer but right now it is a highly contagious virus with a highly effective nature to find the weakness in a person and attack it.

Yes, Trump hit the pause button on China but he has failed in almost every other category in the war on Covid since that act. His administration crippled the CDC, the national pandemic response Plan was deleted, the world investigative and response experts recalled, he has been at war with the top medical advisors and has not entertained a briefing in over 2 months. He has promoted junk science, misled the public and set a terrible example for the nation to follow. He thinks knowing the scope of the infection “looks” bad. He attacks or Fires people who disagree with him. He worried about China but our biggest threats were coming from Western Europe and Brazil. Now he is pulling out of The WHO.

Trump missed his chance at a historic record of decisive action in a world crisis. It will likely cost him a second term.

He didn't cripple the CDC, he consolidated intertwined departments to make them more efficient. Johns Hopkins determined that the US was the country the best equipped to deal with the virus despite the fact that Obama had ignored that stockpiles were depleted and existing supplies were well past their expiry date.

The briefings were historic. They were the perfect model for how the left have become psychos. At one point, Trump and Fauci spoke for 9 minutes, with Trump saying that there was nothing to lose by taking hydroxychloroquine. Fauci said that there was nothing to lose but not enough data and that he agreed with what Trump was saying. Liberal media one after the other asked Fauci if there was proof. After the 4th or 5th in a row, Trump refused to allow Fauci to keep repeating the same answer.

On CNN, MSNC, and others, they showed 20 second clips. Their POS media asking if there was proof, the answer, then the splice where Trump refuses to let Fauci repeat the same answer.

The "junk" science is a drug used universally by virtually every government and a lie from the media that Trump told people to take bleach.

The hoax part was debunked ages ago. For you to come here STILL spouting that nonsense shows just how brainwashed you are. That is the earth is flat of liberal nonsense.

You are right. Trump didn’t tell people to take bleach. He made suggestions about treatments including there could be some way to use bleach or alcohol internally. Sunlight also. Clearly talking off the top of his head without thinking. He later used one of his usual excuses when he says something really questionable. He either says he was joking or he was being sarcastic.

Worse than:
We have it under control
It will go away on its on
The heat of summer will end it
Test are available to anyone who wants one
It’s a hoax
We’ve had the best response in the world
China Flu. It’s the Chinese fault. I’ve seen the reports that it was developed in CHINESE labs. There many China comments.

Thank you! You speak the truth.

(07-12-2020 09:12 AM)mccarverslawyer Wrote: [ -> ]Meanwhile - Putin smirks.

Less Putin, and more Xi

(07-10-2020 06:01 PM)snowtiger Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-10-2020 04:07 PM)TripleA Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-10-2020 01:14 AM)snowtiger Wrote: [ -> ]It's Not Truth Related either. Different states have different testing procedures. Pool Testing is happening in some places. Multiple people's tests go into one vat. Wait time for results varies. Keeping records of who comes into your restaurant/ business sucks.

There's always Sweden's example to fall back on. I wondered what happened to them.


https://www.businessinsider.com/sweden-c...ata-2020-7

hmmm....not so good.

I think I'll check on Brazil.

Not all things are black and white. Same source you cited. Dateline yesterday.

* Sweden's daily coronavirus death rate is approaching zero.

* Newly diagnosed COVID-19 cases have fallen to one-sixth of their number at the peak, just two weeks ago.

* Suddenly, Sweden's "no-lockdown" approach to the crisis looks like a late-running success.

* But experts are warning that the path Sweden took came at a high price: Sweden's death toll was 11 times that of neighboring Norway, and the current drop in fatalities is on a par with Haiti or Pakistan, countries that are struggling to control outbreaks.

https://www.businessinsider.com/sweden-c...ked-2020-7

their economy is way down still ...Does this mean no matter what path gets chosen, the economy of every country is suffering...?

Their health insurance is different than ours...How does this figure into the picture, I wonder.


Sweden has a universal public healthcare system. The central government dictates policy, but county councils and municipal governments provide services. Costs to run the system are paid for by taxes with contributions from the government. Patients will pay small out-of-pocket fees for prescriptions and some treatments. The county council sets the rates for copays, which leads to variation across the country, but providers can’t charge above the set rate in their area. The government caps out-of-pocket fees at 1,100 kr (Swedish krona)


But the pendulum will swing the other way again sooner or later. Economies will recover and College football will come back. How soon is the question.

Geez, their economy is NOT "way down". They are faring better than just about all European countries. They've maintained moderate unemployment throughout the entire pandemic. And their GDP actually EXPANDED during Q1, while everyone else was sliding into recession.

get facts straight

(07-10-2020 08:12 PM)Trapper John Wrote: [ -> ]Most places here are doing a good job, a few aren't even trying. The hard part is that it is such an uphill battle with the general population. We just went to Overton Square for dessert and less that a quarter of the people were wearing masks. The restaurants are making people wear them to enter, but there were large groups of people on the street not wearing them at all

Do you think mask wearing in the street, versus non-wearing, accomplishes anything?

I wear one whenever I go to restaurants, shops, stores inside the building. But as soon as I'm outside I take it down. I figure there is zero chance of me getting/giving the virus while I'm walking to my car outside.

(07-11-2020 08:29 AM)danny1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-11-2020 07:29 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-11-2020 01:15 AM)Stammers Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-11-2020 12:19 AM)snowtiger Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-10-2020 10:42 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote: [ -> ]Why are we arguing numbers.

136,000 Americans are dead in 4 months. Up to 60,000 dead from the flu and we have a vaccine for the flu. Approaching 600,000 Covid dead globally. Maybe when we have a vaccine for COVID feel safer but right now it is a highly contagious virus with a highly effective nature to find the weakness in a person and attack it.

Yes, Trump hit the pause button on China but he has failed in almost every other category in the war on Covid since that act. His administration crippled the CDC, the national pandemic response Plan was deleted, the world investigative and response experts recalled, he has been at war with the top medical advisors and has not entertained a briefing in over 2 months. He has promoted junk science, misled the public and set a terrible example for the nation to follow. He thinks knowing the scope of the infection “looks” bad. He attacks or Fires people who disagree with him. He worried about China but our biggest threats were coming from Western Europe and Brazil. Now he is pulling out of The WHO.

Trump missed his chance at a historic record of decisive action in a world crisis. It will likely cost him a second term.

He canceled tomorrow's New Hampshire pep rally. And the frenzied convention he wanted in Jacksonville is looking more iffy.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurke...cf48221def


As to the ban, when Trump admin closed China, they forgot about Hong Kong and Macau. 8000 Chinese folks got in after the ban.... on 600 documented flights.

"Travelers from Hong Kong and Macao did not face the same scrutiny or screening processes as Americans or any foreign nationals coming into the U.S. after having been in Wuhan -- where the coronavirus outbreak started."


Here's the Fox link for those who get triggered by other networks.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/8000-chine...oronavirus

Democrats were calling the travel ban racist. Di Blasio was telling people to go to Chinese restaurants and movies. Cuomo sent infected seniors back into nursing homes until May 9th. Fatso Nadler said the travel ban was irrational and help public health on March 10th.

It is amazing that people are so willingly clueless.

The virus is real. But of course there’s a political aspect to anything these days. After watching NY fail miserably by allowing infected individuals to return to nursing homes, we’ve come a long way. Protect elderly and others most at risk. For the rest of us, it’s almost always a non-event. Go to work and wear a mask when appropriate.

We’ve spent huge amounts of public dollars helping individuals, businesses, and vaccine research.

I’d say we’ve made some mistakes, but overall we’ve done a pretty decent job after a shaky start. I’m not a hugely political guy but I’d give Trump a passing grade.

You've GOT to be kidding! You'd give a passing grade to the guy who said Covid was a hoax, then that there were only a few US cases and it would quickly go away, then that it would miraculously disappear, then that no one could have seen it coming, then that he knew it was going to be a pandemic all along? And these are just a few of the nutty things he has claimed and he said these things over and over at press conferences, in tweets, etc. A passing grade? What would the dude need to do to not pass?

Many focus too much on what the man says. That's where the Trump Derangement Syndrome kicks in. You gotta know by now that he loves to troll the media and the TDSers. I don't care for the tactic usually, but sometimes it's funny and effective.

But when you do this, you miss his actions. You may not agree with all of his actions during the pandemic - I would expect most Dems do not. But it's hard to argue he has taken no action.

(07-11-2020 11:54 AM)macgar32 Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-11-2020 11:35 AM)Guitarman Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not getting involved in this argument but here is what I do know. In 2019 there were a total of 2.8 million Americans that died from sundry reasons in the US. The number we should all be watching will be put out in January of 2021 consisting of the TOTAL Americans that died in 2020.

Point being if the number stays around the same, then the COVID death toll is ambiguous. I.E. For the sake of argument lets say there were 200,000 people who died of heart attacks. That number drops to 100,000 in 2020 yet the TOTAL DEATHS for 2020 doesn't differ that much from 2019 then you have your answer as to the real COVID death toll.

Having said that, if the total deaths for 2020 jumps up to 3million or 3.1million then we can see that not only do we still maintain a consistent classification of passing away (i.e. cancer, heart attacks, car accidents) AND the number has jumped due to COVID deaths.

Blast me, agree with me, whatever you want to do, but you can't argue with numbers and I'll just wait until that number is posted. What I do know, is that half way thru 2020 we are sitting at approximately 1.4million TOTAL US deaths so far. You can do the math.

The US has ~25% of the cases and ~25% of the deaths in the world.

Is this a global conspiracy?

You're missing the point. The point is how the numbers are being reported in America. Many have suspicions. At the end of the year, the tally will tell a tale.

Anecdotally, I know of 2 cases where COVID was listed as cause of death - 1 after no test at all, and another after a NEGATIVE test result. So we will be curious to see the total fatalities at the end of the year. I've tried tracking them but due to the timing lag, it's tough to do real time. My early indication though is that deaths are being inflated by 10-20%. Of course, the increased murder rates in so many cities over the past couple of months - along with increased overdoses and suicides during the lockdown - will also raise the death rates. So the data could still be asterisked.

(07-12-2020 02:09 AM)Stammers Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-12-2020 12:17 AM)snowtiger Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-11-2020 11:28 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-11-2020 10:53 PM)snowtiger Wrote: [ -> ]We already saw quite a bit when the House flipped in the midterms.

They flipped after two years of Obama too. He won a second term and he was quite the bafoon.

They netted 41 New seats.

It was the largest midterms margin of victory in history, surpassing the previous record of 8.7 million votes in 1974, according to NBC News election data.

Not so fast Rachel...

SEATS LOST IN MIDTERM ELECTIONS SINCE 1950
63 Obama
54 Clinton
48 Eisenhower
48 Ford
47 Johnson
40 Trump
32 Bush

Again, I don't blame you. You get all your information from Rachel Maddow and looking out as far as you can see from your store. It's not your fault that you don't know any better.

Yeah, Maddow and others like to confuse their viewers by throwing out stats like total cumulative congressional margin of victory over many states. As if that means anything at all. It's also why so many of their viewers get confused on the difference between the popular vote and the electoral college.

(07-12-2020 10:21 AM)Tiger87 Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-11-2020 11:54 AM)macgar32 Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-11-2020 11:35 AM)Guitarman Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not getting involved in this argument but here is what I do know. In 2019 there were a total of 2.8 million Americans that died from sundry reasons in the US. The number we should all be watching will be put out in January of 2021 consisting of the TOTAL Americans that died in 2020.

Point being if the number stays around the same, then the COVID death toll is ambiguous. I.E. For the sake of argument lets say there were 200,000 people who died of heart attacks. That number drops to 100,000 in 2020 yet the TOTAL DEATHS for 2020 doesn't differ that much from 2019 then you have your answer as to the real COVID death toll.

Having said that, if the total deaths for 2020 jumps up to 3million or 3.1million then we can see that not only do we still maintain a consistent classification of passing away (i.e. cancer, heart attacks, car accidents) AND the number has jumped due to COVID deaths.

Blast me, agree with me, whatever you want to do, but you can't argue with numbers and I'll just wait until that number is posted. What I do know, is that half way thru 2020 we are sitting at approximately 1.4million TOTAL US deaths so far. You can do the math.

The US has ~25% of the cases and ~25% of the deaths in the world.

Is this a global conspiracy?

You're missing the point. The point is how the numbers are being reported in America. Many have suspicions. At the end of the year, the tally will tell a tale.

Anecdotally, I know of 2 cases where COVID was listed as cause of death - 1 after no test at all, and another after a NEGATIVE test result. So we will be curious to see the total fatalities at the end of the year. I've tried tracking them but due to the timing lag, it's tough to do real time. My early indication though is that deaths are being inflated by 10-20%. Of course, the increased murder rates in so many cities over the past couple of months - along with increased overdoses and suicides during the lockdown - will also raise the death rates.

My point is the ratio of deaths to positive tests in the US is inline with remainder of the world.

Why would the ratios be the same if we are misreporting to such a large extent?

(07-10-2020 01:11 PM)oruvoice2 Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-10-2020 12:31 PM)snowtiger Wrote: [ -> ]As for info from China, who da f ever believes what China says in public.

Our intelligence officials knew what was really going on there---as did anyone who was following social media before China shut down all real anecdotal info that was coming thru social media.

Anytime China ( a country that relies on manufacturing) shuts down its factories and quarantines huge segments of populations.....welp you gotta figure that this was some serious '****' coming our way.

Rule of thumb. Never believe what China says. Watch what they do.

Yeah. Thank God President Trump put that early travel ban on China. He saved untold thousands of lives, despite being called a racist by every democrat politician and media pundit.

yep

Dominant strain info . The highly infectious strain is European in genetic origin not Chinese. But the virus mutates every time it infects a new person. Viruses mutate to gain entrance. The vaccine, so some say, will ‘Work’ on our own RNA to mutate quick responses. Good times.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.azcentr...5410710002

(07-12-2020 10:21 AM)Tiger87 Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-11-2020 11:54 AM)macgar32 Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-11-2020 11:35 AM)Guitarman Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not getting involved in this argument but here is what I do know. In 2019 there were a total of 2.8 million Americans that died from sundry reasons in the US. The number we should all be watching will be put out in January of 2021 consisting of the TOTAL Americans that died in 2020.

Point being if the number stays around the same, then the COVID death toll is ambiguous. I.E. For the sake of argument lets say there were 200,000 people who died of heart attacks. That number drops to 100,000 in 2020 yet the TOTAL DEATHS for 2020 doesn't differ that much from 2019 then you have your answer as to the real COVID death toll.

Having said that, if the total deaths for 2020 jumps up to 3million or 3.1million then we can see that not only do we still maintain a consistent classification of passing away (i.e. cancer, heart attacks, car accidents) AND the number has jumped due to COVID deaths.

Blast me, agree with me, whatever you want to do, but you can't argue with numbers and I'll just wait until that number is posted. What I do know, is that half way thru 2020 we are sitting at approximately 1.4million TOTAL US deaths so far. You can do the math.

The US has ~25% of the cases and ~25% of the deaths in the world.

Is this a global conspiracy?

You're missing the point. The point is how the numbers are being reported in America. Many have suspicions. At the end of the year, the tally will tell a tale.

Anecdotally, I know of 2 cases where COVID was listed as cause of death - 1 after no test at all, and another after a NEGATIVE test result. So we will be curious to see the total fatalities at the end of the year. I've tried tracking them but due to the timing lag, it's tough to do real time. My early indication though is that deaths are being inflated by 10-20%. Of course, the increased murder rates in so many cities over the past couple of months - along with increased overdoses and suicides during the lockdown - will also raise the death rates. So the data could still be asterisked.

I know of 5....anecdotally also. From RELATIVES who continued to dispute the COD yet were told that "this is what we are required to do now"

When I read these absurd reports about it being UNDER-reported, it kinda makes me sick.

It's the Common Cold with a twist.

My cousin died couple weeks ago..in Mississippi and wasn't counted as covid death.

And if it makes y'all feel any better---Here in this county of Cali, the stats are being under reported. I know this to be true... Our infection stats haven't changed in a month, but businesses have closed with outbreaks. Plus I have insider info from police and nurses who work at the hospital.

So the stats probably balance out.

(07-12-2020 11:48 AM)Redbanksdog Wrote: [ -> ]It's the Common Cold with a twist.

136,000 dead is a really big twist. The weeks in the ICU adds a little twist.
For some it’s minor. The difference is the common cold is rarely fatal.

There’s a big difference between dying “with Covid” vs. “from Covid”. And it’s being reported both ways.
My state can’t keep our medians mown but we are supposed to believe our tallies. Whatever.

(07-12-2020 01:55 AM)Stammers Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-11-2020 11:23 PM)snowtiger Wrote: [ -> ]Trump is relying totally on his base.

It will be interesting to see base numbers in all the states.

Totally on his base? You mean he won't pick up any voters who know Biden was nearly useless when his brain wasn't working at only 50% efficiency, because the DNC is being run by a communist faction or from democrats being even bigger liars than Trump?

Remarkable.

Frankly, neither Trump or Biden have proven confidence in their language usage.
Frankly, I am as concerned about the extreme left wing of the Dem party as I am the extreme Right wing conspiracy driven bunch Trump has cozied up to.