From the Orlando Sentinel...
Meanwhile, UCF President John Hitt told directors of the UCF Athletics Association he was "uninvited" to a Mid-American Conference presidents meeting that took place Sunday, but that he will attend this Sunday's scheduled meeting of C-USA presidents. Future membership is a central topic.
Bye MAC :wave:
What a way to run a conference, MAC will soon be without 3 more teams.
Love CUSA baby
BlackNGold Wrote:From the Orlando Sentinel...
Meanwhile, UCF President John Hitt told directors of the UCF Athletics Association he was "uninvited" to a Mid-American Conference presidents meeting that took place Sunday, but that he will attend this Sunday's scheduled meeting of C-USA presidents. Future membership is a central topic.
Bye MAC :wave:
That does sound weird, doesn't it?
I imagine if the MAC is talking about expansion issues -- and I suspect that's what all this is about -- it wouldn't want Marshall or Central Florida there.
BlackNGold Wrote:From the Orlando Sentinel...
Meanwhile, UCF President John Hitt told directors of the UCF Athletics Association he was "uninvited" to a Mid-American Conference presidents meeting that took place Sunday, but that he will attend this Sunday's scheduled meeting of C-USA presidents. Future membership is a central topic.
Bye MAC :wave:
What a classy operation the MAC is. First we get the idiot Kent St. AD going off on UCF and Marshall, trying to make them ineligible for the MACC next year, and now we have a non invite to a MAC president meeting. I doubt the *only* thing they are talking about is expansion. UCF, unfortunately, is still in the MAC for another year. It was pretty tasteless to not invite President Hitt to the meeting. Its ok though, he'll be in the CUSA meeting. I'm sure he'll enjoy it more anyways
Why do you idiots care? Your schools do not, and should not have any say in MAC decisions. Nor do you have any stake in the conference's future. If Toledo ends up leaving the MAC, which I still believe is unlikely to happen, they will be lame ducks and will deserve to be treated as such.
Bunch of crybabies. :crying:
C-USA made it pretty clear with their vote on the MAC's amendment to the NCAA attendance legislation (which was supported by the WAC, MWC, and the SunBelt) that they have a "scorched earth" policy vs. the other non-BCS conferences. And their poaching of the other conferences may continue. That's fine.
But, given that as a back-drop, why in the world would the MAC Presidents want to talk about their league's future direction and strategy with the the UCF guy sitting in on the meeting so he can file his "report" to the C-USA powers to be?
Oddball Wrote:Why do you idiots care? Your schools do not, and should not have any say in MAC decisions. Nor do you have any stake in the conference's future. If Toledo ends up leaving the MAC, which I still believe is unlikely to happen, they will be lame ducks and will deserve to be treated as such.
Bunch of crybabies. :crying:
What do you know? A MAC troll!! Hey Oddball-
Po Dunk Ohio is -----> that way.
Oh, I get it, somebody got their feelings hurt, so it is OK to be low class.
BTW, CUSA has been nothing but up front with everyone involved in this mess, just like the Big East has been.
But to not invite a school's president to the conference president meeting is just low class.
You want to talk conference expansion, and leave out the lame duck schools? It isn't too hard to ask them to leave the meeting during the discussions. Things like this can be done cordially.
I know I am down for donating some paint to put the CUSA logo on our 50-yard line for the MAC Championship this season.
The Knight Time Wrote:Oddball Wrote:Why do you idiots care? Your schools do not, and should not have any say in MAC decisions. Nor do you have any stake in the conference's future. If Toledo ends up leaving the MAC, which I still believe is unlikely to happen, they will be lame ducks and will deserve to be treated as such.
Bunch of crybabies. :crying:
What do you know? A MAC troll!! Hey Oddball-
Po Dunk Ohio is -----> that way.
As usual, a simple-minded attack on the individual instead of addressing the facts. I would have no problem with you doing both, if you were capable. Just the one alone is pretty lame.
So, why SHOULD anyone from UCF be setting policy for the conference they are leaving? Why should they even be allowed to sit in on such meetings? Save me the "you're a big meanie stupidhead" response and either answer the question, or admit that you hadn't really thought this out before starting the typical tear stained cries of mistreatment.
Herd Swimming Wrote:I know I am down for donating some paint to put the CUSA logo on our 50-yard line for the MAC Championship this season.
That's being discussed. Read the MAC bylaws lately, pookie? :laugh:
[quote="Oddball"] [quote="The Knight Time"] [quote="Oddball"] Why do you idiots care? Your schools do not, and should not have any say in MAC decisions. Nor do you have any stake in the conference's future. If Toledo ends up leaving the MAC, which I still believe is unlikely to happen, they will be lame ducks and will deserve to be treated as such.
Bunch of crybabies.
I would think that Dr Angel wasn't there either. But just like C-USA will have a Prsidents meetings with the new members. The MAC will have one excluding the outgoing members. Thats just the way thing are going to be in these trying times.
[quote="The Knight Time"] [quote="Oddball"] [quote="The Knight Time"] [quote="Oddball"] Why do you idiots care? Your schools do not, and should not have any say in MAC decisions. Nor do you have any stake in the conference's future. If Toledo ends up leaving the MAC, which I still believe is unlikely to happen, they will be lame ducks and will deserve to be treated as such.
Bunch of crybabies.
Oddball Wrote:Herd Swimming Wrote:I know I am down for donating some paint to put the CUSA logo on our 50-yard line for the MAC Championship this season.
That's being discussed. Read the MAC bylaws lately, pookie? :laugh:
Nope. And don't intend to.
But I'd suggest you bone up on them. Schools who give reasonable notice that they are leaving also have due process during their remaining tenure.
Herd Swimming Wrote:Oddball Wrote:Herd Swimming Wrote:I know I am down for donating some paint to put the CUSA logo on our 50-yard line for the MAC Championship this season.
That's being discussed. Read the MAC bylaws lately, pookie? :laugh:
Nope. And don't intend to.
But I'd suggest you bone up on them. Schools who give reasonable notice that they are leaving also have due process during their remaining tenure.
No doubt. I would hope that the UCF is at least consulting a lawyer.
The Knight Time Wrote:What a classy operation the MAC is. First we get the idiot Kent St. AD going off on UCF and Marshall, trying to make them ineligible for the MACC next year, and now we have a non invite to a MAC president meeting. I doubt the *only* thing they are talking about is expansion.
Actually, the MAC is a very classy operation.
Two tiny examples:
1. When Marshall entered the MAC, Central Michigan graciously allowed Marshall to play in its place against West Virginia. That game remains the only one Marshall has played against the 'eers since joining Division I-A.
2. When Marshall won the league in 2000 despite an appalling 7-5 record, the Motor City Bowl started making noises about inviting Toledo. The league sucked it up and offered the Motor City Bowl extra money to take Marshall, because it seemed the right thing to do.
If I put a little more thought into it, I could come up with countless other examples. This is a league of schools that work closely together, that try to keep the common good in mind.
What the Kent State AD has to say does not reflect on the MAC. He's speaking his mind. What he says would only reflect on the MAC if the league actually follows through and makes Central Florida and Marshall ineligible for the title in 2004 (I doubt this happens).
The idea of making Marshall and Central Florida ineligible for the MAC championship is on the agenda of these meetings, where it will join the larger issues of the shape the league will take in future years. With all that on the agenda, there is no way in hell Central Florida's president belonged at that meeting.
It makes absolutely no difference to me whether Central Florida is in the MAC or not. None. It doesn't matter. The Golden Mice got us to an even number of teams, and that was helpful. You guys needed a league to play in, and I'm glad we were able to help.
Apparently, you all prefer Conference USA. Again, that's fine.
But if you are going to leave for Conference USA,
please don't cry about the fact that your reps still can't attend our meetings.
If those meetings were so important to you, maybe you should have stayed in the MAC.
I dont blame the MAC for excluding UCF and Marshall. They are having a meeting about the future of their conference and that doesnt involve us. We will be meeting with CUSA Presidents with whom our future is tied. They may also be talking about expelling or suspending us from the MAC in order to make us ineligible for both their championships and bowls. My reading of the By-Laws would tell me that they can do this with 8 votes of the remaining members. I believe this would relieve both UCF and Marshall from paying the original $200K fee for leaving the conference and possibly the additonal $200K for leaving the conference without 2 years notice. I question the wisdom of this move as it could very well backfire. Lets say Marshall and UCF finish 1-2 in the East and are not eligible for the MACC. Miami would most likely have 2-3 MAC losses in this scenario and with their very brutal OOC schedule possibly 3 more OOC losses. You could have Miami with a 5-6 or 6-5 record in the MACC. It is also possible that the West rep could have a poor record in the neighborhood of 7-4 or 6-5 (it has happened before and is possible again). What would that do to the perception of the MAC. It would destroy all the positive momentum that was created in 2003.
Schadenfreude Wrote:Actually, the MAC is a very classy operation.
Two tiny examples:
1. When Marshall entered the MAC, Central Michigan graciously allowed Marshall to play in its place against West Virginia. That game remains the only one Marshall has played against the 'eers since joining Division I-A.
2. When Marshall won the league in 2000 despite an appalling 7-5 record, the Motor City Bowl started making noises about inviting Toledo. The league sucked it up and offered the Motor City Bowl extra money to take Marshall, because it seemed the right thing to do.
As you like to say: Sources? Proof?
Schadenfreude Wrote:If I put a little more thought into it, I could come up with countless other examples. This is a league of schools that work closely together, that try to keep the common good in mind.
Don't waste your time unless you post non-imaginary, verifiable sources to back them up. Otherwise, they'll just end up sounding like bull$h!+ sour grapes just like the ones you listed above.
Herdfannindy: I guess I'm skeptical that the MAC would dis-qualify Marshall and UCF from being eligible for the league title........guess we'll know more soon.
But, I am still at a loss as to why some of the posters above would think that it's wrong for the MAC to exclude the departing members from a meeting that is probably primarily going to consist of discussions of the league's future in light of the defections. Why in the world would UCF care anyway........they have made their decision on their future.
Quote:1. When Marshall entered the MAC, Central Michigan graciously allowed Marshall to play in its place against West Virginia. That game remains the only one Marshall has played against the 'eers since joining Division I-A.
WVU had to agree to the exchange so don't act like CMU had the executive decision in the trade. Also, I don't know for a fact that WVU didn't ask for the exchange. Do you?
Quote:2. When Marshall won the league in 2000 despite an appalling 7-5 record, the Motor City Bowl started making noises about inviting Toledo. The league sucked it up and offered the Motor City Bowl extra money to take Marshall, because it seemed the right thing to do.
The MAC's choice of NOT inviting Marshall would have discredited the championship game entirely and made the conference look even more third rate. Believe me, IF the MAC could have slighted Marshall in '00 and not looked like fools, they would have.
Quote:This is a league of schools that work closely together, that try to keep the common good in mind.
Correction. It is a league where MICHIGAN and OHIO schools work closely together for the common good of those two states in mind. I never trusted the MAC after the first run and the conference did nothing to gain my trust in the last 7 years. Reminds me of what TCU is now getting into...
Quote:But if you are going to leave for Conference USA, please don't cry about the fact that your reps still can't attend our meetings.
Well, I don't see CUSA keeping UL, UC, Marquette, et all from the conference meetings, do you? How about the WAC keeping Tulsa, SMU and Rice out? Nope. As usual, the MAC looks third rate. That said, I could care less.
Quote:Herdfannindy: I guess I'm skeptical that the MAC would dis-qualify Marshall and UCF from being eligible for the league title........guess we'll know more soon.
Not me. I wouldn't put anything past them. The only one that would play fair would be Chryst.