It's astonishing
A. The things that are deemed "classified", haven't we read Lying Rice's CYA e-mail nearly in it's entirety already? Guess not, we sure were told that was about it.
B. Why this stuff has taken 3 1/2 years to be declassed. Where in the heck have the former DNI's been for this entire time? How has this been hidden for so long? You'd think someone along the way would have been cleaning up this mess before now.
Taking out the trash.
Naming Jeff Sessions attorney general was a huge mistake. We got the absurd confirmation hearing, followed by the recusal, followed by the Mueller witch hunt, followed by Doug Jones. And Sessions clearly was not man enough for the job. If Trump had named Barr from the start, we'd be two years ahead of where we are, and these things would have been coming out prior to the 2018 election instead of now.
(05-19-2020 05:59 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: [ -> ]Naming Jeff Sessions attorney general was a huge mistake. We got the absurd confirmation hearing, followed by the recusal, followed by the Mueller witch hunt, followed by Doug Jones. And Sessions clearly was not man enough for the job. If Trump had named Barr from the start, we'd be two years ahead of where we are, and these things would have been coming out prior to the 2018 election instead of now.
Owl, I agree with all of this ^^^
With that said, hindsight is 20/20. None of these negative consequences were foreseeable on 18th November 2016.
And except for the bit about Doug Jones, all the others would’ve happened anyway, unless you can point to a person who Trump trusted
*And* could’ve gotten confirmed as AG in a 52-48 Senate
*And* never met a Russian in their life
*And* would’ve had the strength of character to stand up against the mob these last 3+ years. Say what you want about Sessions, but there are simply not that many people out there who fit the bill.
(05-19-2020 06:13 PM)Native Georgian Wrote: [ -> ] (05-19-2020 05:59 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: [ -> ]Naming Jeff Sessions attorney general was a huge mistake. We got the absurd confirmation hearing, followed by the recusal, followed by the Mueller witch hunt, followed by Doug Jones. And Sessions clearly was not man enough for the job. If Trump had named Barr from the start, we'd be two years ahead of where we are, and these things would have been coming out prior to the 2018 election instead of now.
Owl, I agree with all of this ^^^
With that said, hindsight is 20/20. None of these negative consequences were foreseeable on 18th November 2016.
And except for the bit about Doug Jones, all the others would’ve happened anyway, unless you can point to a person who Trump trusted *And* could’ve gotten confirmed as AG in a 52-48 Senate *And* never met a Russian in their life *And* would’ve had the strength of character to stand up against the mob these last 3+ years. Say what you want about Sessions, but there are simply not that many people out there who fit the bill.
I agree with this, and will take it a step further. The problem was less with Sen. Sessions, although he was certainly a weakling. It was more a problem with President Trump, who had no idea whatsoever as to what he wanted or needed from his upper cabinet and staff. He, I believe, was looking solely and only for loyalty -- and Jeff Sessions had been a loyal supporter from early on.
Many of the president's early picks suffered from the same flaw. Besides Mike Pence and the president's own family, who else has been with him from the start? Ben Carson? Betsy DeVos? Anyone else?
To me, the shame about Sessions is mainly the fact that he was already in the perfect position to provide the Trump Admin. with maximum support. If he were still there, Sessions would’ve been the Senate equivalent of Barr/DOJ or Grenell/DNI.
Oh, well. Not everything works out the way you hope it will.
So, they did things by the book. Good to know.
#OBAMAGATE
(05-20-2020 06:25 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ]So, they did things by the book. Good to know.
#OBAMAGATE
You will come around....you will have to
(05-20-2020 06:44 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote: [ -> ] (05-20-2020 06:25 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ]So, they did things by the book. Good to know.
#OBAMAGATE
You will come around....you will have to
To what? This nothingburger?
Our agencies picked up an unusual number of calls from an American to the Russian ambassador so the current administration at the time did their due diligence, by the book, to find out who it was and then monitored the situation to see if any sensitive information was being passed. Remember, trump was not president yet and Flynn was not a government employee, but rather just an adviser to trump.
I'm sure this will all be cleared up though when unconfirmed acting DNI Grennell releases the transcripts of the calls between Flynn and Kislyak.
(05-20-2020 07:06 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ] (05-20-2020 06:44 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote: [ -> ] (05-20-2020 06:25 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ]So, they did things by the book. Good to know.
#OBAMAGATE
You will come around....you will have to
To what? This nothingburger?
Our agencies picked up an unusual number of calls from an American to the Russian ambassador so the current administration at the time did their due diligence, by the book, to find out who it was and then monitored the situation to see if any sensitive information was being passed. Remember, trump was not president yet and Flynn was not a government employee, but rather just an adviser to trump.
I'm sure this will all be cleared up though when unconfirmed acting DNI Grennell releases the transcripts of the calls between Flynn and Kislyak.
The phone call in question was on a date that no unmasking was requested. So how did they legally have the transcript? You’ll come around...but you won’t like it.
(05-20-2020 06:44 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote: [ -> ] (05-20-2020 06:25 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ]So, they did things by the book. Good to know.
#OBAMAGATE
You will come around....you will have to
No, he won't. Willful ignorance cannot be fixed.
(05-20-2020 07:06 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ]I'm sure this will all be cleared up though when unconfirmed acting DNI Grennell releases the transcripts of the calls between Flynn and Kislyak.
1. Grennell is bothering/p¡ss¡ng-off all the right people. He is the right man at the right place at the right time. If only that weren’t so rare.
2. I would welcome transcripts of the Flynn/Kislyak conversations. Right now would be fine.
(05-19-2020 06:13 PM)Native Georgian Wrote: [ -> ] (05-19-2020 05:59 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: [ -> ]Naming Jeff Sessions attorney general was a huge mistake. We got the absurd confirmation hearing, followed by the recusal, followed by the Mueller witch hunt, followed by Doug Jones. And Sessions clearly was not man enough for the job. If Trump had named Barr from the start, we'd be two years ahead of where we are, and these things would have been coming out prior to the 2018 election instead of now.
Owl, I agree with all of this ^^^
With that said, hindsight is 20/20. None of these negative consequences were foreseeable on 18th November 2016.
And except for the bit about Doug Jones, all the others would’ve happened anyway, unless you can point to a person who Trump trusted *And* could’ve gotten confirmed as AG in a 52-48 Senate *And* never met a Russian in their life *And* would’ve had the strength of character to stand up against the mob these last 3+ years. Say what you want about Sessions, but there are simply not that many people out there who fit the bill.
And this right here is the razors edge of how close we were to a real-life modern coup in this Country.
The United States of America.
Hard to believe I almost witnessed that in my lifetime.
One generation (in my family) from fighting fascism and communism on many fronts to almost seeing Lenin, Khrushchev, Mao, Pol-Pot, Castro, Alinsky and others take command of this Country.
Good thing the light came on at just the right time.
Americans can always be counted on the do the right thing. After all other options have been exhausted. PP The late, great true Patriot Sir Winston Churchill.
Truer words never spoken.
(05-20-2020 07:35 AM)Native Georgian Wrote: [ -> ] (05-20-2020 07:06 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ]I'm sure this will all be cleared up though when unconfirmed acting DNI Grennell releases the transcripts of the calls between Flynn and Kislyak.
1. Grennell is bothering/p¡ss¡ng-off all the right people. He is the right man at the right place at the right time. If only that weren’t so rare.
So, why has he not been officially named a nominee and gone through the required Senate approval process then?
(05-20-2020 07:06 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ] (05-20-2020 06:44 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote: [ -> ] (05-20-2020 06:25 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ]So, they did things by the book. Good to know.
#OBAMAGATE
You will come around....you will have to
To what? This nothingburger?
Our agencies picked up an unusual number of calls from an American to the Russian ambassador so the current administration at the time did their due diligence, by the book, to find out who it was and then monitored the situation to see if any sensitive information was being passed. Remember, trump was not president yet and Flynn was not a government employee, but rather just an adviser to trump.
I'm sure this will all be cleared up though when unconfirmed acting DNI Grennell releases the transcripts of the calls between Flynn and Kislyak.
I believe Coney has already admitted it wasn’t done by the book. And—why on earth are political people in the Obama administration unmasking private citizens in an intelligence operation? By the way—lets also understand that the Rice “by the book” memo Comey states nothing unusual is disclosed in the communications....so why are all these political goobers in the corrupt Obama administration unmasking unsuspicious and innocuous conversations? What’s the purpose—other than to use for political theatre and spying?
(05-20-2020 08:43 AM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ] (05-20-2020 07:06 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ] (05-20-2020 06:44 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote: [ -> ] (05-20-2020 06:25 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ]So, they did things by the book. Good to know.
#OBAMAGATE
You will come around....you will have to
To what? This nothingburger?
Our agencies picked up an unusual number of calls from an American to the Russian ambassador so the current administration at the time did their due diligence, by the book, to find out who it was and then monitored the situation to see if any sensitive information was being passed. Remember, trump was not president yet and Flynn was not a government employee, but rather just an adviser to trump.
I'm sure this will all be cleared up though when unconfirmed acting DNI Grennell releases the transcripts of the calls between Flynn and Kislyak.
I believe Coney has already admitted it wasn’t done by the book. And—why on earth are political people in the Obama administration unmasking private citizens in an intelligence operation? By the way—lets also understand that the Rice “by the book” memo Comey states nothing unusual is disclosed in the communications....so why are all these political goobers in the corrupt Obama administration unmasking unsuspicious and innocuous conversations? What’s the purpose—other than to use for political theatre and spying?
1. You don't know who you are unmasking.
2. Why is a private citizen having conversations with a Russian Ambassador?
3. It wasn't just one call...it was numerous calls, and that clearly raised suspicion.
4. The purpose is their ******* job. Protecting America.
Finally, the monitoring by the intelligence agencies is of the Russian guy, not any American!
(05-20-2020 09:10 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ] (05-20-2020 08:43 AM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ] (05-20-2020 07:06 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ] (05-20-2020 06:44 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote: [ -> ] (05-20-2020 06:25 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ]So, they did things by the book. Good to know.
#OBAMAGATE
You will come around....you will have to
To what? This nothingburger?
Our agencies picked up an unusual number of calls from an American to the Russian ambassador so the current administration at the time did their due diligence, by the book, to find out who it was and then monitored the situation to see if any sensitive information was being passed. Remember, trump was not president yet and Flynn was not a government employee, but rather just an adviser to trump.
I'm sure this will all be cleared up though when unconfirmed acting DNI Grennell releases the transcripts of the calls between Flynn and Kislyak.
I believe Coney has already admitted it wasn’t done by the book. And—why on earth are political people in the Obama administration unmasking private citizens in an intelligence operation? By the way—lets also understand that the Rice “by the book” memo Comey states nothing unusual is disclosed in the communications....so why are all these political goobers in the corrupt Obama administration unmasking unsuspicious and innocuous conversations? What’s the purpose—other than to use for political theatre and spying?
1. You don't know who you are unmasking.
2. Why is a private citizen having conversations with a Russian Ambassador?
3. It wasn't just one call...it was numerous calls, and that clearly raised suspicion.
4. The purpose is their ******* job. Protecting America.
Finally, the monitoring by the intelligence agencies is of the Russian guy, not any American!
You really don’t know how this works do you?
(05-20-2020 08:23 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ] (05-20-2020 07:35 AM)Native Georgian Wrote: [ -> ] (05-20-2020 07:06 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ]I'm sure this will all be cleared up though when unconfirmed acting DNI Grennell releases the transcripts of the calls between Flynn and Kislyak.
1. Grennell is bothering/p¡ss¡ng-off all the right people. He is the right man at the right place at the right time. If only that weren’t so rare.
So, why has he not been officially named a nominee and gone through the required Senate approval process then?
John Ratcliffe has been nominated for DNI and is waiting for confirmation by the Senate. But every day that he is not confirmed is a day for Grennell to conduct a real-life demonstration of How It’s Done. Very thankful for it.
(05-20-2020 09:10 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ]1. You don't know who you are unmasking.
proof that you're reading your 'daily talking points'. You certainly have an idea... and you know which 'team' they're on.... like it would be hard to 'ask around' about who was where and said what.
Quote:2. Why is a private citizen having conversations with a Russian Ambassador?
This lie is just admitting that you have no defense. He's not a private citizen and you know it. He's a part of the elected and incoming administration. The email being cited even says that it's merely the alleged 'frequency' that is unusual. Why it would be unusual, given the accusations going on is self-perpetuating. The outgoing administration can't believe they lost an election that they tried to rig.. so they flail at Russia... and the Russians want to know if this hostility is going to continue.
Quote:
3. It wasn't just one call...it was numerous calls, and that clearly raised suspicion.
pfft. It only raised suspicion because the suspicion (of collusion) was already there.
They'd just slapped Russia with sanctions and were upset that they were talking with their replacements rather than 'retaliating'. Sounds to me like a good case could be made for them only slapping the sanctions on Russia to create some sort of retaliation... and thus cause trouble for the incoming administration...
Quote:4. The purpose is their ******* job. Protecting America.
Which has nothing to do with what they were doing. Framing this as 'protecting America' is laughable.
Quote:Finally, the monitoring by the intelligence agencies is of the Russian guy, not any American!
And yet, there is no accusation of anything improper about or by the Russian guy, and the only thing you have on the American is 'talking more frequently than we'd like'.
Did anyone suggest to Flynn that they had these concerns? If all they were doing was protecting America, why not? As the memo states, there was no indication at the time that Flynn was passing any sensitive information... why wouldn't you simply say to him... 'hey, you're new so you may not know... but this is a bit unusual and they may be trying to compromise you with all these meetings.'
They didn't. If they're protecting America, why not? Why would you wait until a potential mistake was made (and America was damaged) to warn anyone?
(05-20-2020 11:23 AM)Hambone10 Wrote: [ -> ] (05-20-2020 09:10 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ]1. You don't know who you are unmasking.
proof that you're reading your 'daily talking points'. You certainly have an idea... and you know which 'team' they're on.... like it would be hard to 'ask around' about who was where and said what.
Quote:2. Why is a private citizen having conversations with a Russian Ambassador?
This lie is just admitting that you have no defense. He's not a private citizen and you know it. He's a part of the elected and incoming administration. The email being cited even says that it's merely the alleged 'frequency' that is unusual. Why it would be unusual, given the accusations going on is self-perpetuating. The outgoing administration can't believe they lost an election that they tried to rig.. so they flail at Russia... and the Russians want to know if this hostility is going to continue.
Quote:
3. It wasn't just one call...it was numerous calls, and that clearly raised suspicion.
pfft. It only raised suspicion because the suspicion (of collusion) was already there.
They'd just slapped Russia with sanctions and were upset that they were talking with their replacements rather than 'retaliating'. Sounds to me like a good case could be made for them only slapping the sanctions on Russia to create some sort of retaliation... and thus cause trouble for the incoming administration...
Quote:4. The purpose is their ******* job. Protecting America.
Which has nothing to do with what they were doing. Framing this as 'protecting America' is laughable.
Quote:Finally, the monitoring by the intelligence agencies is of the Russian guy, not any American!
And yet, there is no accusation of anything improper about or by the Russian guy, and the only thing you have on the American is 'talking more frequently than we'd like'.
Did anyone suggest to Flynn that they had these concerns? If all they were doing was protecting America, why not? As the memo states, there was no indication at the time that Flynn was passing any sensitive information... why wouldn't you simply say to him... 'hey, you're new so you may not know... but this is a bit unusual and they may be trying to compromise you with all these meetings.'
They didn't. If they're protecting America, why not? Why would you wait until a potential mistake was made (and America was damaged) to warn anyone?
Just to clarify, private citizen was not my choice of words...I was responding to another saying that. And no, I don't read any daily talking points...I read twitter, just like most all the others on the right here who post their "talking points" on a daily basis. You and both know who they are...but as usual, I'm the only one who's frowned upon for doing so apparently.
And what difference does it make if you know who you may be unmasking? And as I'm sure you're aware, the trump administration filed 17,000 requests of this nature in 2018.
Finally, everyone but the hardened lackeys know Flynn was a bad actor. Hopefully, since the trump administration is the most transparent in history, we'll get the transcripts of all the calls with Kisylak released soon.