One thing saw today that will impact things quite a bit for college basketball- at least South Carolina and Notre Dame announced today that they are going to cancel fall break and end classes on campus Thanksgiving...
Going to make those OOC games in December (along with conference games for those with 20 games) a lot different than normal, even if fans are allowed.
Utter insanity. Most of America wants to return to normalcy. Not new normal BS. Normal. Don’t push your luck, Karens.... (not directed at you, Stever)
in some ways it makes sense to do it. You come back for what 1-2 weeks after Thanksgiving? So starting maybe a week early and getting rid of the fall break and you're at about the same time....
The schools that are going to have to make a huge decision are the ones on quarter system that starts in late September. Do they come in around Labor day and end Thanksgiving now?
(05-18-2020 10:35 PM)VCE Wrote: [ -> ]Utter insanity. Most of America wants to return to normalcy. Not new normal BS. Normal. Don’t push your luck, Karens.... (not directed at you, Stever)
(05-19-2020 08:27 AM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]in some ways it makes sense to do it. You come back for what 1-2 weeks after Thanksgiving? So starting maybe a week early and getting rid of the fall break and you're at about the same time....
The schools that are going to have to make a huge decision are the ones on quarter system that starts in late September. Do they come in around Labor day and end Thanksgiving now?
The utter insanity is asking for full freight tuition/room+board while classes are already being transitioned to be taught remotely. This paragraph within the South Carolina letter illustrates that not all classes will be in-person.
Quote:While fall semester will include face-to-face instruction, it should be noted that a portion of courses already scheduled to be delivered face-to-face and for which many students are already registered will need to be switched over the summer to online for the safety of students and their instructors. All undergraduate and graduate students will have the opportunity to be re-advised. All student learning and evaluation occurring after Thanksgiving, including exams and tests, will be done remotely.
That quote makes it clear that they want students to commit to travel and other expenses for what will be at best 50% in-person instruction.
(05-18-2020 10:35 PM)VCE Wrote: [ -> ]Utter insanity. Most of America wants to return to normalcy. Not new normal BS. Normal. Don’t push your luck, Karens.... (not directed at you, Stever)
I'm sure nearly all Americans WANT to return to normal. But I don't see much evidence that a majority think we SHOULD yet. And we have no idea when "yet" will be over.
When it comes to sports, football drives the bus. But when it comes to the primary business of universities, sports still take the back seat. We can't expect presidents to let fans dictate when, and under what conditions, students should be on campus.
(05-19-2020 09:35 AM)Renandpat Wrote: [ -> ] (05-18-2020 10:35 PM)VCE Wrote: [ -> ]Utter insanity. Most of America wants to return to normalcy. Not new normal BS. Normal. Don’t push your luck, Karens.... (not directed at you, Stever)
(05-19-2020 08:27 AM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]in some ways it makes sense to do it. You come back for what 1-2 weeks after Thanksgiving? So starting maybe a week early and getting rid of the fall break and you're at about the same time....
The schools that are going to have to make a huge decision are the ones on quarter system that starts in late September. Do they come in around Labor day and end Thanksgiving now?
The utter insanity is asking for full freight tuition/room+board while classes are already being transitioned to be taught remotely. This paragraph within the South Carolina letter illustrates that not all classes will be in-person.
Quote:While fall semester will include face-to-face instruction, it should be noted that a portion of courses already scheduled to be delivered face-to-face and for which many students are already registered will need to be switched over the summer to online for the safety of students and their instructors. All undergraduate and graduate students will have the opportunity to be re-advised. All student learning and evaluation occurring after Thanksgiving, including exams and tests, will be done remotely.
That quote makes it clear that they want students to commit to travel and other expenses for what will be at best 50% in-person instruction.
No I read that as, "we plan to be in person, but we aren't committing to it."
I know northwestern is a trimester and that schedule probably works best. Reality is schools can’t afford to shut down but dorm life is a lot more risky than athletic games without fans for the virus spread.
(05-19-2020 10:27 AM)bullet Wrote: [ -> ] (05-19-2020 09:35 AM)Renandpat Wrote: [ -> ] (05-18-2020 10:35 PM)VCE Wrote: [ -> ]Utter insanity. Most of America wants to return to normalcy. Not new normal BS. Normal. Don’t push your luck, Karens.... (not directed at you, Stever)
(05-19-2020 08:27 AM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]in some ways it makes sense to do it. You come back for what 1-2 weeks after Thanksgiving? So starting maybe a week early and getting rid of the fall break and you're at about the same time....
The schools that are going to have to make a huge decision are the ones on quarter system that starts in late September. Do they come in around Labor day and end Thanksgiving now?
The utter insanity is asking for full freight tuition/room+board while classes are already being transitioned to be taught remotely. This paragraph within the South Carolina letter illustrates that not all classes will be in-person.
Quote:While fall semester will include face-to-face instruction, it should be noted that a portion of courses already scheduled to be delivered face-to-face and for which many students are already registered will need to be switched over the summer to online for the safety of students and their instructors. All undergraduate and graduate students will have the opportunity to be re-advised. All student learning and evaluation occurring after Thanksgiving, including exams and tests, will be done remotely.
That quote makes it clear that they want students to commit to travel and other expenses for what will be at best 50% in-person instruction.
No I read that as, "we plan to be in person, but we aren't committing to it."
It explicitly says that the post Thanksgiving portion will be online, so most courses would be hybrid courses. Add that they will allow students on campus when they are advised it is safe to do so, and there may be online instruction at the beginning of the semester as well, depending on how the epidemic progresses in the "Midwest Compact" states.
sounds like a lot more schools are going this route. Saw Syracuse and Texas to name just 2 really quickly...
(05-20-2020 05:30 AM)BruceMcF Wrote: [ -> ] (05-19-2020 10:27 AM)bullet Wrote: [ -> ] (05-19-2020 09:35 AM)Renandpat Wrote: [ -> ] (05-18-2020 10:35 PM)VCE Wrote: [ -> ]Utter insanity. Most of America wants to return to normalcy. Not new normal BS. Normal. Don’t push your luck, Karens.... (not directed at you, Stever)
(05-19-2020 08:27 AM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]in some ways it makes sense to do it. You come back for what 1-2 weeks after Thanksgiving? So starting maybe a week early and getting rid of the fall break and you're at about the same time....
The schools that are going to have to make a huge decision are the ones on quarter system that starts in late September. Do they come in around Labor day and end Thanksgiving now?
The utter insanity is asking for full freight tuition/room+board while classes are already being transitioned to be taught remotely. This paragraph within the South Carolina letter illustrates that not all classes will be in-person.
Quote:While fall semester will include face-to-face instruction, it should be noted that a portion of courses already scheduled to be delivered face-to-face and for which many students are already registered will need to be switched over the summer to online for the safety of students and their instructors. All undergraduate and graduate students will have the opportunity to be re-advised. All student learning and evaluation occurring after Thanksgiving, including exams and tests, will be done remotely.
That quote makes it clear that they want students to commit to travel and other expenses for what will be at best 50% in-person instruction.
No I read that as, "we plan to be in person, but we aren't committing to it."
It explicitly says that the post Thanksgiving portion will be online, so most courses would be hybrid courses. Add that they will allow students on campus when they are advised it is safe to do so, and there may be online instruction at the beginning of the semester as well, depending on how the epidemic progresses in the "Midwest Compact" states.
It is only two days that are on-line. So while technically that is hybrid, I don't think any students will care.
saw something with UNC that will be interesting. They're starting Aug 10 and exams will end 2 days before Thanksgiving.
basketball scheduling will be interesting given that. Season starts Nov 10. If you assume Exams run a week- that'd be from Nov 17-24. Would really impact some of those early season tournaments one would think(some of those are going to be really hurt you would think).
(05-21-2020 10:05 AM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]saw something with UNC that will be interesting. They're starting Aug 10 and exams will end 2 days before Thanksgiving.
basketball scheduling will be interesting given that. Season starts Nov 10. If you assume Exams run a week- that'd be from Nov 17-24. Would really impact some of those early season tournaments one would think(some of those are going to be really hurt you would think).
They really need to start making some decisions.
I don't know why pushing things back is that big a deal other than football and cross-country. For football there are significant revenue impacts. November basketball not so much. For cross-country there is significant impact on athletes but not revenue. Not much impact on any of the other sports.
If there is a much longer winter break- there would be a pretty big impact in basketball.... Especially with the conference games starting in December. And then of course a lot of conference games in January....
saw another thing in college basketball- Georgia Tech and UAB just signed a 2 for 1 deal where Ga Tech will play @ UAB this year, and UAB will play @ Ga Tech 2x after that.....
TCU starts 8/17 and ends the semester at Thanksgiving. No breaks in between.
(05-21-2020 10:05 AM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]saw something with UNC that will be interesting. They're starting Aug 10 and exams will end 2 days before Thanksgiving.
basketball scheduling will be interesting given that. Season starts Nov 10. If you assume Exams run a week- that'd be from Nov 17-24. Would really impact some of those early season tournaments one would think(some of those are going to be really hurt you would think).
There are all sorts of impacts to consider this fall for tournaments scheduled in Hawai'i and other places off the US mainland such as the Bahamas.
(05-21-2020 04:35 PM)Wedge Wrote: [ -> ] (05-21-2020 10:05 AM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]saw something with UNC that will be interesting. They're starting Aug 10 and exams will end 2 days before Thanksgiving.
basketball scheduling will be interesting given that. Season starts Nov 10. If you assume Exams run a week- that'd be from Nov 17-24. Would really impact some of those early season tournaments one would think(some of those are going to be really hurt you would think).
There are all sorts of impacts to consider this fall for tournaments scheduled in Hawai'i and other places off the US mainland such as the Bahamas.
always are. Bahamas, Virgin Islands, Cayman Islands, Hawaii like you mentioned.
I'm keeping an eye on what could happen with the Minnesota State Fair board meeting tomorrow. They often use the University of Minnesota's parking lots as overflow(plus the western border of the fairgrounds buts up against the Eastern border of the St. Paul campus). If the fair decides not to hold an event around Labor Day, the University might move the start of classes up to 2 weeks earlier. At any rate. I would expect at least exams being conducted online. No need to worry about a fall break, Thanksgiving is the only break during the fall semester.
(05-21-2020 10:48 AM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]If there is a much longer winter break- there would be a pretty big impact in basketball.... Especially with the conference games starting in December. And then of course a lot of conference games in January....
I don’t know if it will end up practically mattering that much, though.
I increasingly believe that games will be played for TV purposes, but harbor no illusions that fans will be in the stands even in the locations that are most hellbent on winning the Darwin Awards this year. Without fans in the stands, the basketball season can play as-is without any real impact even where campuses finish finals prior to Thanksgiving.
(05-21-2020 04:35 PM)Wedge Wrote: [ -> ] (05-21-2020 10:05 AM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]saw something with UNC that will be interesting. They're starting Aug 10 and exams will end 2 days before Thanksgiving.
basketball scheduling will be interesting given that. Season starts Nov 10. If you assume Exams run a week- that'd be from Nov 17-24. Would really impact some of those early season tournaments one would think(some of those are going to be really hurt you would think).
There are all sorts of impacts to consider this fall for tournaments scheduled in Hawai'i and other places off the US mainland such as the Bahamas.
That’s a good point. In that sense, I do think the basketball season would be impacted at least on that front. I can’t imagine those tournaments still happening.