(04-23-2020 06:46 PM)Unionman76 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-23-2020 03:25 PM)jsw3ent Wrote: [ -> ] (04-23-2020 03:16 PM)WColt45 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-23-2020 01:46 PM)snowtiger Wrote: [ -> ] (04-23-2020 01:42 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote: [ -> ]I quit driving in the left hand lane on the interstate. You ok with that? 
Good for you!!!
As for Austin, I'm thinking he just became his own person, instead of doing what his family wanted.
I think Austin wanted to be a Tiger, however his relationship with Pastner had soured to the point where he could no longer play for Josh.
Then he went to Virginia, got away from his family and made some poor choices. We all make mistakes.
That being said, Austin would've probably stayed here if he had a better relationship with his coach.
Tyler would also probably stay here, but he sees the writing on the wall regarding what his playing time will be going forward. Antwann Jones did the same. Nobody is necessarily a 'quitter', they are just doing what they think is best for their basketball career and life in general. Black, white, asian, native american, it doesn't matter, everyone just has to do what they feel is best for them. Its not personal.
Except for Shawn Taggart. That dude quit on us when Cal left.
Yea Pastner was the one boinking his girlfriend
pastner boinked us all
Please share with us how.
(04-23-2020 05:19 PM)Atlanta Wrote: [ -> ]Austin left because he found out that Shaq was doing Austin's girl friend. Had virtually nothing to do with the coaches, the city, the program. He just wanted out. He subsequently showed he was somewhat unstable given the near perfect situation he screwed up at UVA - his parents showed they were jerks & JP mishandled the whole situation.
IMO, JP also completely mishandled Tarik. How he played/didn't play Tarik, the offense, etc.
Couldn't the same be said about Hardaway's handling of a lot of players that are playing out of position in the position less system. People complaining about Harris playing the 2 instead of point---because the only chance according to some for Tyler to make the RASSLIN league is by playing the point---so did Penny do him an injustice ? D. J. not a wanting to play the 4---Precious not wanting to play the 5---etc etc JUST ASKING------is he mishandling the players ?
(04-23-2020 07:27 PM)jsw3ent Wrote: [ -> ] (04-23-2020 05:19 PM)Atlanta Wrote: [ -> ]Austin left because he found out that Shaq was doing Austin's girl friend. Had virtually nothing to do with the coaches, the city, the program. He just wanted out. He subsequently showed he was somewhat unstable given the near perfect situation he screwed up at UVA - his parents showed they were jerks & JP mishandled the whole situation.
IMO, JP also completely mishandled Tarik. How he played/didn't play Tarik, the offense, etc.
Couldn't the same be said about Hardaway's handling of a lot of players that are playing out of position in the position less system. People complaining about Harris playing the 2 instead of point---because the only chance according to some for Tyler to make the RASSLIN league is by playing the point---so did Penny do him an injustice ? D. J. not a wanting to play the 4---Precious not wanting to play the 5---etc etc JUST ASKING------is he mishandling the players ?
Bares no comparison to sitting Tarik, causing him to lose confidence, same with JJ. PA hasn't been hurt by where he has played & wanted to come back. Jury still out on DJ. He played a lot on the perimeter where he wanted to play, disappeared at times & couldn't stay on the floor due to illness & injuries. Harris' contribution was shooting & played where he could be the most productive but didn't produce consistently. I just don't see the mishandling. If there is any it probably related to Antwann Jones who saw his minutes limited by playing a less productive Harris & Alo or actually having to guard the 4 on occasion. It's a shame we don't have AJ.
(04-23-2020 10:14 PM)Atlanta Wrote: [ -> ] (04-23-2020 07:27 PM)jsw3ent Wrote: [ -> ] (04-23-2020 05:19 PM)Atlanta Wrote: [ -> ]Austin left because he found out that Shaq was doing Austin's girl friend. Had virtually nothing to do with the coaches, the city, the program. He just wanted out. He subsequently showed he was somewhat unstable given the near perfect situation he screwed up at UVA - his parents showed they were jerks & JP mishandled the whole situation.
IMO, JP also completely mishandled Tarik. How he played/didn't play Tarik, the offense, etc.
Couldn't the same be said about Hardaway's handling of a lot of players that are playing out of position in the position less system. People complaining about Harris playing the 2 instead of point---because the only chance according to some for Tyler to make the RASSLIN league is by playing the point---so did Penny do him an injustice ? D. J. not a wanting to play the 4---Precious not wanting to play the 5---etc etc JUST ASKING------is he mishandling the players ?
Bares no comparison to sitting Tarik, causing him to lose confidence, same with JJ. PA hasn't been hurt by where he has played & wanted to come back. Jury still out on DJ. He played a lot on the perimeter where he wanted to play, disappeared at times & couldn't stay on the floor due to illness & injuries. Harris' contribution was shooting & played where he could be the most productive but didn't produce consistently. I just don't see the mishandling. If there is any it probably related to Antwann Jones who saw his minutes limited by playing a less productive Harris & Alo or actually having to guard the 4 on occasion. It's a shame we don't have AJ.
The dude walked out of practice---and god forbid a coach sitting a player for non performance--- losing confidence ? now a days that is a snowflake---- lord forbid that a coach hurts a players feelings. Its the wussifacation of AMERICA---the everybody gets a trophy society .
I just love handing out trophies
(04-23-2020 10:40 PM)jsw3ent Wrote: [ -> ] (04-23-2020 10:14 PM)Atlanta Wrote: [ -> ] (04-23-2020 07:27 PM)jsw3ent Wrote: [ -> ] (04-23-2020 05:19 PM)Atlanta Wrote: [ -> ]Austin left because he found out that Shaq was doing Austin's girl friend. Had virtually nothing to do with the coaches, the city, the program. He just wanted out. He subsequently showed he was somewhat unstable given the near perfect situation he screwed up at UVA - his parents showed they were jerks & JP mishandled the whole situation.
IMO, JP also completely mishandled Tarik. How he played/didn't play Tarik, the offense, etc.
Couldn't the same be said about Hardaway's handling of a lot of players that are playing out of position in the position less system. People complaining about Harris playing the 2 instead of point---because the only chance according to some for Tyler to make the RASSLIN league is by playing the point---so did Penny do him an injustice ? D. J. not a wanting to play the 4---Precious not wanting to play the 5---etc etc JUST ASKING------is he mishandling the players ?
Bares no comparison to sitting Tarik, causing him to lose confidence, same with JJ. PA hasn't been hurt by where he has played & wanted to come back. Jury still out on DJ. He played a lot on the perimeter where he wanted to play, disappeared at times & couldn't stay on the floor due to illness & injuries. Harris' contribution was shooting & played where he could be the most productive but didn't produce consistently. I just don't see the mishandling. If there is any it probably related to Antwann Jones who saw his minutes limited by playing a less productive Harris & Alo or actually having to guard the 4 on occasion. It's a shame we don't have AJ.
The dude walked out of practice---and god forbid a coach sitting a player for non performance--- losing confidence ? now a days that is a snowflake---- lord forbid that a coach hurts a players feelings. Its the wussifacation of AMERICA---the everybody gets a trophy society .
No... he was told to leave practice because Josh was trying to make a scapegoat out of him. I know you hate him. I wont say why I think you hate him, but let's at least be honest about what Josh did to him.
(04-23-2020 01:42 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote: [ -> ] (04-23-2020 01:30 AM)Stammers Wrote: [ -> ]Both are quitters, Austin screwed 2 schools.
I quit driving in the left hand lane on the interstate. You ok with that?
Haha, honestly, I am. That causes a lot of accidents. Don't you find driving a lot more relaxing now?
(04-23-2020 10:57 PM)memtigbb Wrote: [ -> ] (04-23-2020 10:40 PM)jsw3ent Wrote: [ -> ] (04-23-2020 10:14 PM)Atlanta Wrote: [ -> ] (04-23-2020 07:27 PM)jsw3ent Wrote: [ -> ] (04-23-2020 05:19 PM)Atlanta Wrote: [ -> ]Austin left because he found out that Shaq was doing Austin's girl friend. Had virtually nothing to do with the coaches, the city, the program. He just wanted out. He subsequently showed he was somewhat unstable given the near perfect situation he screwed up at UVA - his parents showed they were jerks & JP mishandled the whole situation.
IMO, JP also completely mishandled Tarik. How he played/didn't play Tarik, the offense, etc.
Couldn't the same be said about Hardaway's handling of a lot of players that are playing out of position in the position less system. People complaining about Harris playing the 2 instead of point---because the only chance according to some for Tyler to make the RASSLIN league is by playing the point---so did Penny do him an injustice ? D. J. not a wanting to play the 4---Precious not wanting to play the 5---etc etc JUST ASKING------is he mishandling the players ?
Bares no comparison to sitting Tarik, causing him to lose confidence, same with JJ. PA hasn't been hurt by where he has played & wanted to come back. Jury still out on DJ. He played a lot on the perimeter where he wanted to play, disappeared at times & couldn't stay on the floor due to illness & injuries. Harris' contribution was shooting & played where he could be the most productive but didn't produce consistently. I just don't see the mishandling. If there is any it probably related to Antwann Jones who saw his minutes limited by playing a less productive Harris & Alo or actually having to guard the 4 on occasion. It's a shame we don't have AJ.
The dude walked out of practice---and god forbid a coach sitting a player for non performance--- losing confidence ? now a days that is a snowflake---- lord forbid that a coach hurts a players feelings. Its the wussifacation of AMERICA---the everybody gets a trophy society .
No... he was told to leave practice because Josh was trying to make a scapegoat out of him. I know you hate him. I wont say why I think you hate him, but let's at least be honest about what Josh did to him.
Hate ? I hate no one. You don't know me--but please enlighten the board on why I hate someone . JESUS is my judge and you ain't he .. and LORD forbid a coach sending a disrupting player out of practice. You judged Pastner and me----and I wont say why I think you did.
(04-22-2020 07:31 PM)micman Wrote: [ -> ] (04-22-2020 03:36 PM)Mimi Wrote: [ -> ]I stand by it
Of course some were hard on Nichols and of course some were not on Black
But many more were much more disparaging of Black and many more were more defensive of Nichols
I pointed out the irony
Period
On a larger point, the attempts to blame race problems on those who point out race problems instead of those who act bigoted, is a problem
I believe I defended Tyler Harris who was being called a quitter. Then a random poster, not me, brought up a post I made years ago poking Nichols. I addressed that smart ass out of context weird post by a random poster in this thread with the context, which was the heavier bashing of Black who at the time seemed to deserve less scorn. I guess years later him mentioning he graduated from Kansas is as ugly to Memphis as calling Memphis a failing program.
It certainly is to some. And the idea that a purposefully ironic post made about Nichols in 2015 still bothered some in 2020 is telling
Done
Tarik Black was the best player on the team his freshman year. GP picked him as the preseason CUSA player of the year his sophomore year. He regressed after his freshman year.
Austin Nichols was a very good college player who was expected to compete for ACC Conference player of the year at UVa.
Both were ruined by the coaching staff at UofM.
Both would have been better college players if they had played for this coaching staff, or they would have left/quit. This staff expects you to do all the extra work to succeed--just like they did. Neither Tarik nor Austin love basketball the way that Boogie or Lester do; as they are driven to work hard on their own.
Don't know what Mimi was talking about in 2015, though. I'm sure it was profound.
Black was barely playing for Self; had inferior stats compared to his time here and was even fouling more. IF Embid doesn't get injured, he is a footnote. I remember reading stuff about Black not liking basketball that much. I for sure know that Austin wasn't driven to be great.
(04-23-2020 07:15 PM)jsw3ent Wrote: [ -> ] (04-23-2020 06:46 PM)Unionman76 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-23-2020 03:25 PM)jsw3ent Wrote: [ -> ] (04-23-2020 03:16 PM)WColt45 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-23-2020 01:46 PM)snowtiger Wrote: [ -> ]Good for you!!!
As for Austin, I'm thinking he just became his own person, instead of doing what his family wanted.
I think Austin wanted to be a Tiger, however his relationship with Pastner had soured to the point where he could no longer play for Josh.
Then he went to Virginia, got away from his family and made some poor choices. We all make mistakes.
That being said, Austin would've probably stayed here if he had a better relationship with his coach.
Tyler would also probably stay here, but he sees the writing on the wall regarding what his playing time will be going forward. Antwann Jones did the same. Nobody is necessarily a 'quitter', they are just doing what they think is best for their basketball career and life in general. Black, white, asian, native american, it doesn't matter, everyone just has to do what they feel is best for them. Its not personal.
Except for Shawn Taggart. That dude quit on us when Cal left.
Yea Pastner was the one boinking his girlfriend
pastner boinked us all
Please share with us how.
uhm....
Us already knows how Josh did it. Us don't need reminding.
I thought the only person who didn't know was racecar guy. my bad. lol
(04-23-2020 10:57 PM)memtigbb Wrote: [ -> ] (04-23-2020 10:40 PM)jsw3ent Wrote: [ -> ] (04-23-2020 10:14 PM)Atlanta Wrote: [ -> ] (04-23-2020 07:27 PM)jsw3ent Wrote: [ -> ] (04-23-2020 05:19 PM)Atlanta Wrote: [ -> ]Austin left because he found out that Shaq was doing Austin's girl friend. Had virtually nothing to do with the coaches, the city, the program. He just wanted out. He subsequently showed he was somewhat unstable given the near perfect situation he screwed up at UVA - his parents showed they were jerks & JP mishandled the whole situation.
IMO, JP also completely mishandled Tarik. How he played/didn't play Tarik, the offense, etc.
Couldn't the same be said about Hardaway's handling of a lot of players that are playing out of position in the position less system. People complaining about Harris playing the 2 instead of point---because the only chance according to some for Tyler to make the RASSLIN league is by playing the point---so did Penny do him an injustice ? D. J. not a wanting to play the 4---Precious not wanting to play the 5---etc etc JUST ASKING------is he mishandling the players ?
Bares no comparison to sitting Tarik, causing him to lose confidence, same with JJ. PA hasn't been hurt by where he has played & wanted to come back. Jury still out on DJ. He played a lot on the perimeter where he wanted to play, disappeared at times & couldn't stay on the floor due to illness & injuries. Harris' contribution was shooting & played where he could be the most productive but didn't produce consistently. I just don't see the mishandling. If there is any it probably related to Antwann Jones who saw his minutes limited by playing a less productive Harris & Alo or actually having to guard the 4 on occasion. It's a shame we don't have AJ.
The dude walked out of practice---and god forbid a coach sitting a player for non performance--- losing confidence ? now a days that is a snowflake---- lord forbid that a coach hurts a players feelings. Its the wussifacation of AMERICA---the everybody gets a trophy society .
No... he was told to leave practice because Josh was trying to make a scapegoat out of him. I know you hate him. I wont say why I think you hate him, but let's at least be honest about what Josh did to him.
Glad someone else actually remembers how it went down. Tarik was the antithesis of a trouble maker. To say otherwise is just wrong. Sure he developed a bad attitude, but who wouldn't have the way JP handled him. Thinking back about that now, it is logical that JP handled Tarik in the way he did because Tarik was raised to respect authority, lives that way - and JP abused his position & took advantage when he couldn't with his other players.
(04-24-2020 08:30 AM)Atlanta Wrote: [ -> ] (04-23-2020 10:57 PM)memtigbb Wrote: [ -> ] (04-23-2020 10:40 PM)jsw3ent Wrote: [ -> ] (04-23-2020 10:14 PM)Atlanta Wrote: [ -> ] (04-23-2020 07:27 PM)jsw3ent Wrote: [ -> ]Couldn't the same be said about Hardaway's handling of a lot of players that are playing out of position in the position less system. People complaining about Harris playing the 2 instead of point---because the only chance according to some for Tyler to make the RASSLIN league is by playing the point---so did Penny do him an injustice ? D. J. not a wanting to play the 4---Precious not wanting to play the 5---etc etc JUST ASKING------is he mishandling the players ?
Bares no comparison to sitting Tarik, causing him to lose confidence, same with JJ. PA hasn't been hurt by where he has played & wanted to come back. Jury still out on DJ. He played a lot on the perimeter where he wanted to play, disappeared at times & couldn't stay on the floor due to illness & injuries. Harris' contribution was shooting & played where he could be the most productive but didn't produce consistently. I just don't see the mishandling. If there is any it probably related to Antwann Jones who saw his minutes limited by playing a less productive Harris & Alo or actually having to guard the 4 on occasion. It's a shame we don't have AJ.
The dude walked out of practice---and god forbid a coach sitting a player for non performance--- losing confidence ? now a days that is a snowflake---- lord forbid that a coach hurts a players feelings. Its the wussifacation of AMERICA---the everybody gets a trophy society .
No... he was told to leave practice because Josh was trying to make a scapegoat out of him. I know you hate him. I wont say why I think you hate him, but let's at least be honest about what Josh did to him.
Glad someone else actually remembers how it went down. Tarik was the antithesis of a trouble maker. To say otherwise is just wrong. Sure he developed a bad attitude, but who wouldn't have the way JP handled him. Thinking back about that now, it is logical that JP handled Tarik in the way he did because Tarik was raised to respect authority, lives that way - and JP abused his position & took advantage when he couldn't with his other players.
Exactly...
It is like having your son on the team.. You can scream at him about stuff someone else did so it seems like you are yelling at your son and not the player.
Josh tried pulling that BS with Tarik and it upset Tarik. Josh couldnt back down and kicked Tarik out of practice. Then to prove what a tough guy he was, he made Tarik sit. Backfired.
(04-23-2020 11:45 PM)jsw3ent Wrote: [ -> ] (04-23-2020 10:57 PM)memtigbb Wrote: [ -> ] (04-23-2020 10:40 PM)jsw3ent Wrote: [ -> ] (04-23-2020 10:14 PM)Atlanta Wrote: [ -> ] (04-23-2020 07:27 PM)jsw3ent Wrote: [ -> ]Couldn't the same be said about Hardaway's handling of a lot of players that are playing out of position in the position less system. People complaining about Harris playing the 2 instead of point---because the only chance according to some for Tyler to make the RASSLIN league is by playing the point---so did Penny do him an injustice ? D. J. not a wanting to play the 4---Precious not wanting to play the 5---etc etc JUST ASKING------is he mishandling the players ?
Bares no comparison to sitting Tarik, causing him to lose confidence, same with JJ. PA hasn't been hurt by where he has played & wanted to come back. Jury still out on DJ. He played a lot on the perimeter where he wanted to play, disappeared at times & couldn't stay on the floor due to illness & injuries. Harris' contribution was shooting & played where he could be the most productive but didn't produce consistently. I just don't see the mishandling. If there is any it probably related to Antwann Jones who saw his minutes limited by playing a less productive Harris & Alo or actually having to guard the 4 on occasion. It's a shame we don't have AJ.
The dude walked out of practice---and god forbid a coach sitting a player for non performance--- losing confidence ? now a days that is a snowflake---- lord forbid that a coach hurts a players feelings. Its the wussifacation of AMERICA---the everybody gets a trophy society .
No... he was told to leave practice because Josh was trying to make a scapegoat out of him. I know you hate him. I wont say why I think you hate him, but let's at least be honest about what Josh did to him.
Hate ? I hate no one. You don't know me--but please enlighten the board on why I hate someone . JESUS is my judge and you ain't he .. and LORD forbid a coach sending a disrupting player out of practice. You judged Pastner and me----and I wont say why I think you did.
The bible was pretty racist as well. So that fits perfectly that you use Jesus as your defense. Funny.
(04-24-2020 10:59 AM)memtigbb Wrote: [ -> ] (04-23-2020 11:45 PM)jsw3ent Wrote: [ -> ] (04-23-2020 10:57 PM)memtigbb Wrote: [ -> ] (04-23-2020 10:40 PM)jsw3ent Wrote: [ -> ] (04-23-2020 10:14 PM)Atlanta Wrote: [ -> ]Bares no comparison to sitting Tarik, causing him to lose confidence, same with JJ. PA hasn't been hurt by where he has played & wanted to come back. Jury still out on DJ. He played a lot on the perimeter where he wanted to play, disappeared at times & couldn't stay on the floor due to illness & injuries. Harris' contribution was shooting & played where he could be the most productive but didn't produce consistently. I just don't see the mishandling. If there is any it probably related to Antwann Jones who saw his minutes limited by playing a less productive Harris & Alo or actually having to guard the 4 on occasion. It's a shame we don't have AJ.
The dude walked out of practice---and god forbid a coach sitting a player for non performance--- losing confidence ? now a days that is a snowflake---- lord forbid that a coach hurts a players feelings. Its the wussifacation of AMERICA---the everybody gets a trophy society .
No... he was told to leave practice because Josh was trying to make a scapegoat out of him. I know you hate him. I wont say why I think you hate him, but let's at least be honest about what Josh did to him.
Hate ? I hate no one. You don't know me--but please enlighten the board on why I hate someone . JESUS is my judge and you ain't he .. and LORD forbid a coach sending a disrupting player out of practice. You judged Pastner and me----and I wont say why I think you did.
The bible was pretty racist as well. So that fits perfectly that you use Jesus as your defense. Funny.
So I am a racist-- and Pastner --and even JESUS/GOD are all racist----your post says all we need to know about you.
(04-23-2020 11:45 PM)Stammers Wrote: [ -> ] (04-22-2020 07:31 PM)micman Wrote: [ -> ] (04-22-2020 03:36 PM)Mimi Wrote: [ -> ]I stand by it
Of course some were hard on Nichols and of course some were not on Black
But many more were much more disparaging of Black and many more were more defensive of Nichols
I pointed out the irony
Period
On a larger point, the attempts to blame race problems on those who point out race problems instead of those who act bigoted, is a problem
I believe I defended Tyler Harris who was being called a quitter. Then a random poster, not me, brought up a post I made years ago poking Nichols. I addressed that smart ass out of context weird post by a random poster in this thread with the context, which was the heavier bashing of Black who at the time seemed to deserve less scorn. I guess years later him mentioning he graduated from Kansas is as ugly to Memphis as calling Memphis a failing program.
It certainly is to some. And the idea that a purposefully ironic post made about Nichols in 2015 still bothered some in 2020 is telling
Done
Tarik Black was the best player on the team his freshman year. GP picked him as the preseason CUSA player of the year his sophomore year. He regressed after his freshman year.
Austin Nichols was a very good college player who was expected to compete for ACC Conference player of the year at UVa.
Both were ruined by the coaching staff at UofM.
Both would have been better college players if they had played for this coaching staff, or they would have left/quit. This staff expects you to do all the extra work to succeed--just like they did. Neither Tarik nor Austin love basketball the way that Boogie or Lester do; as they are driven to work hard on their own.
Don't know what Mimi was talking about in 2015, though. I'm sure it was profound.
Black was barely playing for Self; had inferior stats compared to his time here and was even fouling more. IF Embid doesn't get injured, he is a footnote. I remember reading stuff about Black not liking basketball that much. I for sure know that Austin wasn't driven to be great.
Pretty much known fact that neither cared too much for basketball and it showed. Neither did Davenport.
(04-24-2020 11:37 AM)uskjtc02 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-23-2020 11:45 PM)Stammers Wrote: [ -> ] (04-22-2020 07:31 PM)micman Wrote: [ -> ] (04-22-2020 03:36 PM)Mimi Wrote: [ -> ]I stand by it
Of course some were hard on Nichols and of course some were not on Black
But many more were much more disparaging of Black and many more were more defensive of Nichols
I pointed out the irony
Period
On a larger point, the attempts to blame race problems on those who point out race problems instead of those who act bigoted, is a problem
I believe I defended Tyler Harris who was being called a quitter. Then a random poster, not me, brought up a post I made years ago poking Nichols. I addressed that smart ass out of context weird post by a random poster in this thread with the context, which was the heavier bashing of Black who at the time seemed to deserve less scorn. I guess years later him mentioning he graduated from Kansas is as ugly to Memphis as calling Memphis a failing program.
It certainly is to some. And the idea that a purposefully ironic post made about Nichols in 2015 still bothered some in 2020 is telling
Done
Tarik Black was the best player on the team his freshman year. GP picked him as the preseason CUSA player of the year his sophomore year. He regressed after his freshman year.
Austin Nichols was a very good college player who was expected to compete for ACC Conference player of the year at UVa.
Both were ruined by the coaching staff at UofM.
Both would have been better college players if they had played for this coaching staff, or they would have left/quit. This staff expects you to do all the extra work to succeed--just like they did. Neither Tarik nor Austin love basketball the way that Boogie or Lester do; as they are driven to work hard on their own.
Don't know what Mimi was talking about in 2015, though. I'm sure it was profound.
Black was barely playing for Self; had inferior stats compared to his time here and was even fouling more. IF Embid doesn't get injured, he is a footnote. I remember reading stuff about Black not liking basketball that much. I for sure know that Austin wasn't driven to be great.
Pretty much known fact that neither cared too much for basketball and it showed. Neither did Davenport.
A little harse. All 3 cared enough to commit a good portion of their lives to BB & all 3 had pretty high level talent - at least to get to being major college good. But I don't think any of the 3 were driven like most who make it to the top of the game. All 3 had other strong interests vying for time & effort in their lives. And I don't think that's bad just that it doesn't always jive with being the best BB player they can be. But that said, it's pretty clear JP either consistently recruited guys who didn't live up to their recruit rankings or they weren't developed. I have my opinion on that too. KD was a different case. Came late to BB with a lot of natural ability but didn't seem to want to sacrifice, compete. Wouldn't blamed Tubby or PH for that, I think it was just who KD was, talented but raw with low level desire for the game.
Win Wilfong could Bust the Trey Ball