(04-20-2020 06:38 PM)Foreverandever Wrote: [ -> ] (04-20-2020 06:17 PM)Knightrogen Wrote: [ -> ] (04-20-2020 06:12 PM)Hurricane Drummer Wrote: [ -> ] (04-20-2020 05:47 PM)Knightrogen Wrote: [ -> ] (04-20-2020 03:34 PM)invisiblehand Wrote: [ -> ]I'll go to the Jerry Rhome, Glenn Dobbs, Steve Largeant, Howard Twilley, Drew Pearson, Willie Townes, Jim Finks, Lovie Smith, Dan Bitson, Jerry O, Paul Smith, Brennan Marion, David Johnson, Charles Clay, Damaris Johnson, GJ Kinne, Dane Evans, Tarrion Adams, Trey Watts, Shawn Jackson, Dexter McCoil, Deangelo Brewer, Keevan Lucas, Keyarris Garrett days.
I know from you that Tulsa has a great history, maybe.
But Tulsa has the smallest Div1 enrollment plus Tulsa's Football Attendance is just horrible. State of Oklahoma is full of Oklahoma and OK State fans. Tulsa is not that big of a market, either.
And SMUstang is correct. Tulsa is trying to use the additional money from our TV deal to offset other loses, while other American schools are pouring in $$ to their athletic department.
If we are talking about P6 day and night. How can Tulsa survive that push from our Conference? I have to be convinced.
Schools like UCF, Memphis, and Houston have been pouring in more money than us for a little while now and we're still remaining competitive in revenue sports. We just won a men's basketball title, and we even beat UCF in football last year. The football program has been down the last three years but it's trending upwards. And when you factor in non-revenue sports we're at the top of the league in Conference titles.
If that doesn't convince you nothing will.
Do you think Tulsa is on the verge of dropping the football program because of the financial deficit?
And what do you mean by trending upward? You meant attendance? Or...
For the last time, with the new media deal our athletic department is breaking if not a small bit profitable.
We have always been small, which is why when we suck our attendance goes horrible quick. The community is not directly tied to the school for 90% of people in that they mor a family member attended. We recruit the Tulsa area well and get support from the locals who want to see a kid they watched grow make waves. We get the local school support and are the secondary team for a lot of people, which results in band wagon following. Sustained success not up and down years will bring the support back.
We have played football since 1895 including through the great depression, we aren't going anywhere.
The problem is if your team is a "small bit profitable " from our new TV contract, then you all aren't trying at all to keep up long term. You are only striving for survival at the expense of the overall conference.
(04-20-2020 10:58 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-20-2020 06:12 PM)Hurricane Drummer Wrote: [ -> ] (04-20-2020 05:47 PM)Knightrogen Wrote: [ -> ] (04-20-2020 03:34 PM)invisiblehand Wrote: [ -> ] (04-20-2020 03:20 PM)SMUstang Wrote: [ -> ]How far back do you want to go? To the Doak Walker and Kyle Rote days, or Raymond Berry days, or the Forest Gregg days, or the Don Meredith days, or the Jerry Levias days, or the Eric Dickerson and Craig James days, or the Emmanuel Sanders days?
I'll go to the Jerry Rhome, Glenn Dobbs, Steve Largeant, Howard Twilley, Drew Pearson, Willie Townes, Jim Finks, Lovie Smith, Dan Bitson, Jerry O, Paul Smith, Brennan Marion, David Johnson, Charles Clay, Damaris Johnson, GJ Kinne, Dane Evans, Tarrion Adams, Trey Watts, Shawn Jackson, Dexter McCoil, Deangelo Brewer, Keevan Lucas, Keyarris Garrett days.
I know from you that Tulsa has a great history, maybe.
But Tulsa has the smallest Div1 enrollment plus Tulsa's Football Attendance is just horrible. State of Oklahoma is full of Oklahoma and OK State fans. Tulsa is not that big of a market, either.
And SMUstang is correct. Tulsa is trying to use the additional money from our TV deal to offset other loses, while other American schools are pouring in $$ to their athletic department.
If we are talking about P6 day and night. How can Tulsa survive that push from our Conference? I have to be convinced.
Schools like UCF, Memphis, and Houston have been pouring in more money than us for a little while now and we're still remaining competitive in revenue sports. We just won a men's basketball title, and we even beat UCF in football last year. The football program has been down the last three years but it's trending upwards. And when you factor in non-revenue sports we're at the top of the league in Conference titles.
If that doesn't convince you nothing will.
Yet no one noticed because a program like Tulsa will never mean enough to enough people to matter unless they are an established p5 program. Let's just face it Tulsa was an absolutely awful addition, that's only holding back better programs while they continue to live out some fantasty of sports excellence that nobody believes but themselves. 
This is an ignorant comment.
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(04-20-2020 11:40 PM)GoDownSwinging Wrote: [ -> ] (04-20-2020 10:58 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-20-2020 06:12 PM)Hurricane Drummer Wrote: [ -> ] (04-20-2020 05:47 PM)Knightrogen Wrote: [ -> ] (04-20-2020 03:34 PM)invisiblehand Wrote: [ -> ]I'll go to the Jerry Rhome, Glenn Dobbs, Steve Largeant, Howard Twilley, Drew Pearson, Willie Townes, Jim Finks, Lovie Smith, Dan Bitson, Jerry O, Paul Smith, Brennan Marion, David Johnson, Charles Clay, Damaris Johnson, GJ Kinne, Dane Evans, Tarrion Adams, Trey Watts, Shawn Jackson, Dexter McCoil, Deangelo Brewer, Keevan Lucas, Keyarris Garrett days.
I know from you that Tulsa has a great history, maybe.
But Tulsa has the smallest Div1 enrollment plus Tulsa's Football Attendance is just horrible. State of Oklahoma is full of Oklahoma and OK State fans. Tulsa is not that big of a market, either.
And SMUstang is correct. Tulsa is trying to use the additional money from our TV deal to offset other loses, while other American schools are pouring in $$ to their athletic department.
If we are talking about P6 day and night. How can Tulsa survive that push from our Conference? I have to be convinced.
Schools like UCF, Memphis, and Houston have been pouring in more money than us for a little while now and we're still remaining competitive in revenue sports. We just won a men's basketball title, and we even beat UCF in football last year. The football program has been down the last three years but it's trending upwards. And when you factor in non-revenue sports we're at the top of the league in Conference titles.
If that doesn't convince you nothing will.
Yet no one noticed because a program like Tulsa will never mean enough to enough people to matter unless they are an established p5 program. Let's just face it Tulsa was an absolutely awful addition, that's only holding back better programs while they continue to live out some fantasty of sports excellence that nobody believes but themselves.
This is an ignorant comment.
Well I'm completely willing to listening to your opinion vs mine, but if that's all you have to say then you may be the one firing off ignorant comments based on nothing. Right or wrong that's my opinion and I stated why.
(04-20-2020 10:58 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-20-2020 06:12 PM)Hurricane Drummer Wrote: [ -> ] (04-20-2020 05:47 PM)Knightrogen Wrote: [ -> ] (04-20-2020 03:34 PM)invisiblehand Wrote: [ -> ] (04-20-2020 03:20 PM)SMUstang Wrote: [ -> ]How far back do you want to go? To the Doak Walker and Kyle Rote days, or Raymond Berry days, or the Forest Gregg days, or the Don Meredith days, or the Jerry Levias days, or the Eric Dickerson and Craig James days, or the Emmanuel Sanders days?
I'll go to the Jerry Rhome, Glenn Dobbs, Steve Largeant, Howard Twilley, Drew Pearson, Willie Townes, Jim Finks, Lovie Smith, Dan Bitson, Jerry O, Paul Smith, Brennan Marion, David Johnson, Charles Clay, Damaris Johnson, GJ Kinne, Dane Evans, Tarrion Adams, Trey Watts, Shawn Jackson, Dexter McCoil, Deangelo Brewer, Keevan Lucas, Keyarris Garrett days.
I know from you that Tulsa has a great history, maybe.
But Tulsa has the smallest Div1 enrollment plus Tulsa's Football Attendance is just horrible. State of Oklahoma is full of Oklahoma and OK State fans. Tulsa is not that big of a market, either.
And SMUstang is correct. Tulsa is trying to use the additional money from our TV deal to offset other loses, while other American schools are pouring in $$ to their athletic department.
If we are talking about P6 day and night. How can Tulsa survive that push from our Conference? I have to be convinced.
Schools like UCF, Memphis, and Houston have been pouring in more money than us for a little while now and we're still remaining competitive in revenue sports. We just won a men's basketball title, and we even beat UCF in football last year. The football program has been down the last three years but it's trending upwards. And when you factor in non-revenue sports we're at the top of the league in Conference titles.
If that doesn't convince you nothing will.
Yet no one noticed because a program like Tulsa will never mean enough to enough people to matter unless they are an established p5 program. Let's just face it Tulsa was an absolutely awful addition, that's only holding back better programs while they continue to live out some fantasty of sports excellence that nobody believes but themselves.
Cmon man, how would you like it if someone said that about your school when it was having a tough time? Just because Tulsa isn’t the most valuable school in the conference doesn’t mean you have to be a jerk to their fans for no reason.
Ignore the trolls, we’re not dropping Tulsa (unless you decide to drop football). It’s not happening and we hope to see you guys kick some ass in football (turn the corner) and basketball soon.
Sincerely,
The vast majority of AAC fans
(04-20-2020 11:59 PM)BraveKnight Wrote: [ -> ] (04-20-2020 10:58 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-20-2020 06:12 PM)Hurricane Drummer Wrote: [ -> ] (04-20-2020 05:47 PM)Knightrogen Wrote: [ -> ] (04-20-2020 03:34 PM)invisiblehand Wrote: [ -> ]I'll go to the Jerry Rhome, Glenn Dobbs, Steve Largeant, Howard Twilley, Drew Pearson, Willie Townes, Jim Finks, Lovie Smith, Dan Bitson, Jerry O, Paul Smith, Brennan Marion, David Johnson, Charles Clay, Damaris Johnson, GJ Kinne, Dane Evans, Tarrion Adams, Trey Watts, Shawn Jackson, Dexter McCoil, Deangelo Brewer, Keevan Lucas, Keyarris Garrett days.
I know from you that Tulsa has a great history, maybe.
But Tulsa has the smallest Div1 enrollment plus Tulsa's Football Attendance is just horrible. State of Oklahoma is full of Oklahoma and OK State fans. Tulsa is not that big of a market, either.
And SMUstang is correct. Tulsa is trying to use the additional money from our TV deal to offset other loses, while other American schools are pouring in $$ to their athletic department.
If we are talking about P6 day and night. How can Tulsa survive that push from our Conference? I have to be convinced.
Schools like UCF, Memphis, and Houston have been pouring in more money than us for a little while now and we're still remaining competitive in revenue sports. We just won a men's basketball title, and we even beat UCF in football last year. The football program has been down the last three years but it's trending upwards. And when you factor in non-revenue sports we're at the top of the league in Conference titles.
If that doesn't convince you nothing will.
Yet no one noticed because a program like Tulsa will never mean enough to enough people to matter unless they are an established p5 program. Let's just face it Tulsa was an absolutely awful addition, that's only holding back better programs while they continue to live out some fantasty of sports excellence that nobody believes but themselves.
Cmon man, how would you like it if someone said that about your school when it was having a tough time? Just because Tulsa isn’t the most valuable school in the conference doesn’t mean you have to be a jerk to their fans for no reason.
Listen man as a lifelong Memphis fan and former recruit I've heard it all and not only that but lived through the not so long ago realistic conversations about Memphis downgrading to a more appropriate level. If you can't keep up then realize it and stop holding the other 10 programs back,,,,sorry but if you just want to "hang on " rather than than get with the program and go all out and balls to the wall. They weren't meant to be here and were the mistake that the rest of the sports world knew they were. To me it's a "jerk" move to continue to be unnecessary dead weight to programs fighting for not only relevance but existence while they are spending tens of millions more.
(04-20-2020 10:58 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote: [ -> ]Yet no one noticed because a program like Tulsa will never mean enough to enough people to matter unless they are an established p5 program. Let's just face it Tulsa was an absolutely awful addition, that's only holding back better programs while they continue to live out some fantasty of sports excellence that nobody believes but themselves.
Wow, dude, you really shot yourself in the foot with that remark!
Not only that, but your comment is completely off base. There is no factual basis for what you wrote.
Fact: Tulsa was tied for 1st in the AAC in the final 2019-20 men's basketball standings.
Fact: Tulsa has won an average of 19.33 basketball games each season that they have played in the AAC.
Fact: In their six seasons in the AAC, the Golden Hurricanes have played in two bowl games, with a record of 1-1. In comparison, UConn and Tulane only played in one bowl game while in the AAC, and ECU played in two bowl games.
Fact: While Tulsa's football program has struggled over the past three seasons, it has also had one very successful 10 win season that concluded with a win in a bowl game.
Conclusion: Considering the fact that the AAC, including Tulsa, is now generating $7 million/year in media income, it makes no sense to argue that Tulsa is not an asset to the AAC. Moreover, there is no factual basis to suggest that Tulsa's status in the AAC is being questioned by the leaders of the conference. Tulsa FB belongs in the AAC just as much as ECU and Tulane do, and Tulsa's MBB program has been an asset to the conference.
(04-21-2020 12:15 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote: [ -> ]Listen man as a lifelong Memphis fan and former recruit I've heard it all and not only that but lived through the not so long ago realistic conversations about Memphis downgrading to a more appropriate level.
If you can't keep up then realize it and stop holding the other 10 programs back,,,,sorry but if you just want to "hang on " rather than than get with the program and go all out and balls to the wall. They weren't meant to be here and were the mistake that the rest of the sports world knew they were. To me it's a "jerk" move to continue to be unnecessary dead weight to programs fighting for not only relevance but existence while they are spending tens of millions more.
That's some pretty harsh medicine that you're "prescribing!"
Shape up or ship out, is that it? What is this, the military?
Let me get this straight: So Vanderbilt doesn't belong in the SEC? Northwestern doesn't belong in the Big Ten? Fordham doesn't belong in the A-10?
Basically, it seems like what you're arguing is that having a basketball program with 19.33 wins per year in the AAC isn't good enough to offset the fact that their FB program has struggled for the past three years.
Balderdash.
Not only that, but Tulsa is going to have the time they need to improve their FB program. They will be in the AAC for the next 12 years come hell or high water.
(04-21-2020 12:24 AM)jedclampett Wrote: [ -> ] (04-20-2020 10:58 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote: [ -> ]Yet no one noticed because a program like Tulsa will never mean enough to enough people to matter unless they are an established p5 program. Let's just face it Tulsa was an absolutely awful addition, that's only holding back better programs while they continue to live out some fantasty of sports excellence that nobody believes but themselves.
Wow, dude, you really shot yourself in the foot with that remark!
Not only that, but your comment is completely off base. There is no factual basis for what you wrote.
Fact: Tulsa was tied for 1st in the AAC in the final 2019-20 men's basketball standings.
Fact: Tulsa has won an average of 19.33 basketball games each season that they have played in the AAC.
Fact: In their six seasons in the AAC, the Golden Hurricanes have played in two bowl games, with a record of 1-1. In comparison, UConn and Tulane only played in one bowl game while in the AAC, and ECU played in two bowl games.
Fact: While Tulsa's football program has struggled over the past three seasons, it has also had one very successful 10 win season that concluded with a win in a bowl game.
Conclusion: Considering the fact that the AAC, including Tulsa, is now generating $7 million/year in media income, it makes no sense to argue that Tulsa is not an asset to the AAC. Moreover, there is no factual basis to suggest that Tulsa's status in the AAC is being questioned by the leaders of the conference. Tulsa FB belongs in the AAC just as much as ECU and Tulane do, and Tulsa's MBB program has been an asset to the conference.
We also took ranked SMU and Memphis teams to the brink and lost on missed field goals. In that 10 win season, we were a couple plays away from winning 12 and going to the conference championship.
Yeah, when Tulsa is drubbing us in MBB, besting us in non- revenue sports & taking us to the brink during our best FB season ever, it's a little over the top to be critical of Tulsa. Maybe it's just trolling in good fun but it has no sense of reality.
(04-21-2020 12:01 AM)Greenwavedrownsacat Wrote: [ -> ]Ignore the trolls, we’re not dropping Tulsa (unless you decide to drop football). It’s not happening and we hope to see you guys kick some ass in football (turn the corner) and basketball soon.
Sincerely,
The vast majority of AAC fans
TU love. Temple, you're on the clock.
(04-21-2020 12:35 AM)jedclampett Wrote: [ -> ] (04-21-2020 12:15 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote: [ -> ]Listen man as a lifelong Memphis fan and former recruit I've heard it all and not only that but lived through the not so long ago realistic conversations about Memphis downgrading to a more appropriate level.
If you can't keep up then realize it and stop holding the other 10 programs back,,,,sorry but if you just want to "hang on " rather than than get with the program and go all out and balls to the wall. They weren't meant to be here and were the mistake that the rest of the sports world knew they were. To me it's a "jerk" move to continue to be unnecessary dead weight to programs fighting for not only relevance but existence while they are spending tens of millions more.
That's some pretty harsh medicine that you're "prescribing!"
Shape up or ship out, is that it? What is this, the military?
Let me get this straight: So Vanderbilt doesn't belong in the SEC? Northwestern doesn't belong in the Big Ten? Fordham doesn't belong in the A-10?
Basically, it seems like what you're arguing is that having a basketball program with 19.33 wins per year in the AAC isn't good enough to offset the fact that their FB program has struggled for the past three years.
Balderdash.
Not only that, but Tulsa is going to have the time they need to improve their FB program. They will be in the AAC for the next 12 years come hell or high water.
Correct, Vandy and Northwestern don't belong in the SEC or Big 10.
Quote:If you can't keep up then realize it and stop holding the other 10 programs back,,,,sorry but if you just want to "hang on " rather than than get with the program and go all out and balls to the wall.
That's hard truth. We have a solid top half of the conference. SMU helped close the gap with a stellar year last season. ECU and Tulane are improving and investing in their programs. Meanwhile Tulsa is cutting funding from their program and already promised the new tv money to the university as opposed to athletics where it belongs (and all of that was pre-covid). Everyone else is investing in their programs and working to raise the conference. That's freeloader status that hurts everyone making investments to raise the conference, I mean our goal is an autobid not just stop losing money.
(04-21-2020 11:23 AM)MidknightWhiskey Wrote: [ -> ] (04-21-2020 12:35 AM)jedclampett Wrote: [ -> ] (04-21-2020 12:15 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote: [ -> ]Listen man as a lifelong Memphis fan and former recruit I've heard it all and not only that but lived through the not so long ago realistic conversations about Memphis downgrading to a more appropriate level.
If you can't keep up then realize it and stop holding the other 10 programs back,,,,sorry but if you just want to "hang on " rather than than get with the program and go all out and balls to the wall. They weren't meant to be here and were the mistake that the rest of the sports world knew they were. To me it's a "jerk" move to continue to be unnecessary dead weight to programs fighting for not only relevance but existence while they are spending tens of millions more.
That's some pretty harsh medicine that you're "prescribing!"
Shape up or ship out, is that it? What is this, the military?
Let me get this straight: So Vanderbilt doesn't belong in the SEC? Northwestern doesn't belong in the Big Ten? Fordham doesn't belong in the A-10?
Basically, it seems like what you're arguing is that having a basketball program with 19.33 wins per year in the AAC isn't good enough to offset the fact that their FB program has struggled for the past three years.
Balderdash.
Not only that, but Tulsa is going to have the time they need to improve their FB program. They will be in the AAC for the next 12 years come hell or high water.
Correct, Vandy and Northwestern don't belong in the SEC or Big 10.
Quote:If you can't keep up then realize it and stop holding the other 10 programs back,,,,sorry but if you just want to "hang on " rather than than get with the program and go all out and balls to the wall.
That's hard truth. We have a solid top half of the conference. SMU helped close the gap with a stellar year last season. ECU and Tulane are improving and investing in their programs. Meanwhile Tulsa is cutting funding from their program and already promised the new tv money to the university as opposed to athletics where it belongs (and all of that was pre-covid). Everyone else is investing in their programs and working to raise the conference. That's freeloader status that hurts everyone making investments to raise the conference, I mean our goal is an autobid not just stop losing money.
Sorry we're not diving further into debt so that we can beat you more often, or win more conference titles.
(04-20-2020 11:06 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-20-2020 06:38 PM)Foreverandever Wrote: [ -> ] (04-20-2020 06:17 PM)Knightrogen Wrote: [ -> ] (04-20-2020 06:12 PM)Hurricane Drummer Wrote: [ -> ] (04-20-2020 05:47 PM)Knightrogen Wrote: [ -> ]I know from you that Tulsa has a great history, maybe.
But Tulsa has the smallest Div1 enrollment plus Tulsa's Football Attendance is just horrible. State of Oklahoma is full of Oklahoma and OK State fans. Tulsa is not that big of a market, either.
And SMUstang is correct. Tulsa is trying to use the additional money from our TV deal to offset other loses, while other American schools are pouring in $$ to their athletic department.
If we are talking about P6 day and night. How can Tulsa survive that push from our Conference? I have to be convinced.
Schools like UCF, Memphis, and Houston have been pouring in more money than us for a little while now and we're still remaining competitive in revenue sports. We just won a men's basketball title, and we even beat UCF in football last year. The football program has been down the last three years but it's trending upwards. And when you factor in non-revenue sports we're at the top of the league in Conference titles.
If that doesn't convince you nothing will.
Do you think Tulsa is on the verge of dropping the football program because of the financial deficit?
And what do you mean by trending upward? You meant attendance? Or...
For the last time, with the new media deal our athletic department is breaking if not a small bit profitable.
We have always been small, which is why when we suck our attendance goes horrible quick. The community is not directly tied to the school for 90% of people in that they mor a family member attended. We recruit the Tulsa area well and get support from the locals who want to see a kid they watched grow make waves. We get the local school support and are the secondary team for a lot of people, which results in band wagon following. Sustained success not up and down years will bring the support back.
We have played football since 1895 including through the great depression, we aren't going anywhere.
The problem is if your team is a "small bit profitable " from our new TV contract, then you all aren't trying at all to keep up long term. You are only striving for survival at the expense of the overall conference.
Really? You all have been good at football for all of six years lol. We're a missed field goal from ******* up your NY6 last year, with a **** coach who we gave too long an extension to after a ten win season, one where we finished above mighty Memphis. We took out the conference darling in UCF last year and if we had a coach with any ability would have had a bowl eligible team.
You have no idea what we are doing, which is why Memphis spends so much time looking up at us on the conference championship total. We shared the basketball title this season while "National Champs" memphis was looking up at us and shellacked your team by 30 points.
Where aren't we competing again?
Some of you are hilarious, sorry that we a private school aren't leveraging ourselves into systematic debt for sports we already compete quite well in.
This is great, Cincinnati dropped a whole sport but because some UCF crybaby still upset his school can't compete with little old Tulsa brings up stuff we have literally talked on the board about for two years; now the program that is in its 125th year, surviving world wars, finacial collapses, the great depression, the oil busts, and a president who actively tried to kill athletics for about a decade is the athletic department in trouble. One with an athletic budget in the black (I believe only Navy sits better) and almost no student fees pumping up its budget, that's the program in trouble
(04-20-2020 11:40 PM)GoDownSwinging Wrote: [ -> ] (04-20-2020 10:58 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-20-2020 06:12 PM)Hurricane Drummer Wrote: [ -> ] (04-20-2020 05:47 PM)Knightrogen Wrote: [ -> ] (04-20-2020 03:34 PM)invisiblehand Wrote: [ -> ]I'll go to the Jerry Rhome, Glenn Dobbs, Steve Largeant, Howard Twilley, Drew Pearson, Willie Townes, Jim Finks, Lovie Smith, Dan Bitson, Jerry O, Paul Smith, Brennan Marion, David Johnson, Charles Clay, Damaris Johnson, GJ Kinne, Dane Evans, Tarrion Adams, Trey Watts, Shawn Jackson, Dexter McCoil, Deangelo Brewer, Keevan Lucas, Keyarris Garrett days.
I know from you that Tulsa has a great history, maybe.
But Tulsa has the smallest Div1 enrollment plus Tulsa's Football Attendance is just horrible. State of Oklahoma is full of Oklahoma and OK State fans. Tulsa is not that big of a market, either.
And SMUstang is correct. Tulsa is trying to use the additional money from our TV deal to offset other loses, while other American schools are pouring in $$ to their athletic department.
If we are talking about P6 day and night. How can Tulsa survive that push from our Conference? I have to be convinced.
Schools like UCF, Memphis, and Houston have been pouring in more money than us for a little while now and we're still remaining competitive in revenue sports. We just won a men's basketball title, and we even beat UCF in football last year. The football program has been down the last three years but it's trending upwards. And when you factor in non-revenue sports we're at the top of the league in Conference titles.
If that doesn't convince you nothing will.
Yet no one noticed because a program like Tulsa will never mean enough to enough people to matter unless they are an established p5 program. Let's just face it Tulsa was an absolutely awful addition, that's only holding back better programs while they continue to live out some fantasty of sports excellence that nobody believes but themselves.
This is an ignorant comment.
Its piss poor trolling, since BC#1 and HuskyU are here less the quality has significantly gone down. Sadly with all the restrictions as a mod, Pony is probably the best on the board at the moment.
(04-21-2020 11:57 AM)Hurricane Drummer Wrote: [ -> ] (04-21-2020 11:23 AM)MidknightWhiskey Wrote: [ -> ] (04-21-2020 12:35 AM)jedclampett Wrote: [ -> ] (04-21-2020 12:15 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote: [ -> ]Listen man as a lifelong Memphis fan and former recruit I've heard it all and not only that but lived through the not so long ago realistic conversations about Memphis downgrading to a more appropriate level.
If you can't keep up then realize it and stop holding the other 10 programs back,,,,sorry but if you just want to "hang on " rather than than get with the program and go all out and balls to the wall. They weren't meant to be here and were the mistake that the rest of the sports world knew they were. To me it's a "jerk" move to continue to be unnecessary dead weight to programs fighting for not only relevance but existence while they are spending tens of millions more.
That's some pretty harsh medicine that you're "prescribing!"
Shape up or ship out, is that it? What is this, the military?
Let me get this straight: So Vanderbilt doesn't belong in the SEC? Northwestern doesn't belong in the Big Ten? Fordham doesn't belong in the A-10?
Basically, it seems like what you're arguing is that having a basketball program with 19.33 wins per year in the AAC isn't good enough to offset the fact that their FB program has struggled for the past three years.
Balderdash.
Not only that, but Tulsa is going to have the time they need to improve their FB program. They will be in the AAC for the next 12 years come hell or high water.
Correct, Vandy and Northwestern don't belong in the SEC or Big 10.
Quote:If you can't keep up then realize it and stop holding the other 10 programs back,,,,sorry but if you just want to "hang on " rather than than get with the program and go all out and balls to the wall.
That's hard truth. We have a solid top half of the conference. SMU helped close the gap with a stellar year last season. ECU and Tulane are improving and investing in their programs. Meanwhile Tulsa is cutting funding from their program and already promised the new tv money to the university as opposed to athletics where it belongs (and all of that was pre-covid). Everyone else is investing in their programs and working to raise the conference. That's freeloader status that hurts everyone making investments to raise the conference, I mean our goal is an autobid not just stop losing money.
Sorry we're not diving further into debt so that we can beat you more often, or win more conference titles.
He's one of those UCF fans who really wishes Tulsa wasn't in the league, having 60k+ students and a university misspending millions of dollars and they still can't beat us. It's sad really.
(04-21-2020 01:36 PM)Foreverandever Wrote: [ -> ] (04-20-2020 11:06 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-20-2020 06:38 PM)Foreverandever Wrote: [ -> ] (04-20-2020 06:17 PM)Knightrogen Wrote: [ -> ] (04-20-2020 06:12 PM)Hurricane Drummer Wrote: [ -> ]Schools like UCF, Memphis, and Houston have been pouring in more money than us for a little while now and we're still remaining competitive in revenue sports. We just won a men's basketball title, and we even beat UCF in football last year. The football program has been down the last three years but it's trending upwards. And when you factor in non-revenue sports we're at the top of the league in Conference titles.
If that doesn't convince you nothing will.
Do you think Tulsa is on the verge of dropping the football program because of the financial deficit?
And what do you mean by trending upward? You meant attendance? Or...
For the last time, with the new media deal our athletic department is breaking if not a small bit profitable.
We have always been small, which is why when we suck our attendance goes horrible quick. The community is not directly tied to the school for 90% of people in that they mor a family member attended. We recruit the Tulsa area well and get support from the locals who want to see a kid they watched grow make waves. We get the local school support and are the secondary team for a lot of people, which results in band wagon following. Sustained success not up and down years will bring the support back.
We have played football since 1895 including through the great depression, we aren't going anywhere.
The problem is if your team is a "small bit profitable " from our new TV contract, then you all aren't trying at all to keep up long term. You are only striving for survival at the expense of the overall conference.
Really? You all have been good at football for all of six years lol. We're a missed field goal from ******* up your NY6 last year, with a **** coach who we gave too long an extension to after a ten win season, one where we finished above mighty Memphis. We took out the conference darling in UCF last year and if we had a coach with any ability would have had a bowl eligible team.
You have no idea what we are doing, which is why Memphis spends so much time looking up at us on the conference championship total. We shared the basketball title this season while "National Champs" memphis was looking up at us and shellacked your team by 30 points.
Where aren't we competing again?
Some of you are hilarious, sorry that we a private school aren't leveraging ourselves into systematic debt for sports we already compete quite well in.
This is great, Cincinnati dropped a whole sport but because some UCF crybaby still upset his school can't compete with little old Tulsa brings up stuff we have literally talked on the board about for two years; now the program that is in its 125th year, surviving world wars, finacial collapses, the great depression, the oil busts, and a president who actively tried to kill athletics for about a decade is the athletic department in trouble. One with an athletic budget in the black (I believe only Navy sits better) and almost no student fees pumping up its budget, that's the program in trouble
Hey, it could be worse. At least Tulsa didnt fulough thier entire football staff for 10 days like Boise just did. Not sure how that really helps much---but that was the route Boise decided to take.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...ronavirus/
(04-21-2020 01:36 PM)Foreverandever Wrote: [ -> ] (04-20-2020 11:06 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-20-2020 06:38 PM)Foreverandever Wrote: [ -> ] (04-20-2020 06:17 PM)Knightrogen Wrote: [ -> ] (04-20-2020 06:12 PM)Hurricane Drummer Wrote: [ -> ]Schools like UCF, Memphis, and Houston have been pouring in more money than us for a little while now and we're still remaining competitive in revenue sports. We just won a men's basketball title, and we even beat UCF in football last year. The football program has been down the last three years but it's trending upwards. And when you factor in non-revenue sports we're at the top of the league in Conference titles.
If that doesn't convince you nothing will.
Do you think Tulsa is on the verge of dropping the football program because of the financial deficit?
And what do you mean by trending upward? You meant attendance? Or...
For the last time, with the new media deal our athletic department is breaking if not a small bit profitable.
We have always been small, which is why when we suck our attendance goes horrible quick. The community is not directly tied to the school for 90% of people in that they mor a family member attended. We recruit the Tulsa area well and get support from the locals who want to see a kid they watched grow make waves. We get the local school support and are the secondary team for a lot of people, which results in band wagon following. Sustained success not up and down years will bring the support back.
We have played football since 1895 including through the great depression, we aren't going anywhere.
The problem is if your team is a "small bit profitable " from our new TV contract, then you all aren't trying at all to keep up long term. You are only striving for survival at the expense of the overall conference.
Really? You all have been good at football for all of six years lol. We're a missed field goal from ******* up your NY6 last year, with a **** coach who we gave too long an extension to after a ten win season, one where we finished above mighty Memphis. We took out the conference darling in UCF last year and if we had a coach with any ability would have had a bowl eligible team.
You have no idea what we are doing, which is why Memphis spends so much time looking up at us on the conference championship total. We shared the basketball title this season while "National Champs" memphis was looking up at us and shellacked your team by 30 points.
Where aren't we competing again?
Some of you are hilarious, sorry that we a private school aren't leveraging ourselves into systematic debt for sports we already compete quite well in.
This is great, Cincinnati dropped a whole sport but because some UCF crybaby still upset his school can't compete with little old Tulsa brings up stuff we have literally talked on the board about for two years; now the program that is in its 125th year, surviving world wars, finacial collapses, the great depression, the oil busts, and a president who actively tried to kill athletics for about a decade is the athletic department in trouble.
One with an athletic budget in the black (I believe only Navy sits better) and almost no student fees pumping up its budget, that's the program in trouble
Athletic budget in the black? and almost no student fees pumping up the budget?
According to an article titled "Ego and Denial on 11th Street" by Barry Friedman in the September 2018 issue of the Voice, a local Tulsa newspaper, the University is providing athletics with a $9 million subsidy to cover the department's operations.
http://www.thetulsavoice.com
According to the Equity in Athletics Disclosure Act,
http://www.ope.ed.gov/athletics, the University of Tulsa reported the total expenses for athletics the last fiscal year were $42,086,622. It also reported Student Aid in the amount of $16,328,422. That is 40% of the total athletic budget.
