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Life is upside down, huh?

We're working from home, we're shopping at a distance, and the IRS is paying us on April 15th! What a world!

So what better time to delve into the finer points of madness? I've been reviewing some old threads and trying to look at how some of the economics might affect future decisions.

This past week, we had the G5 leagues requesting relief from the NCAA in the form of temporarily suspending qualifications for membership in D1. In other words, they don't want the financial upheaval to impact their status.

A handful of schools are already cutting some of their minor sports and that may have happened anyway, but the timing does seem odd. It's hard to fathom that financial decisions aren't being made, at the very least, in the aftermath of losing so much revenue from a cancelled NCAA Tournament.

Consider this aspect:

Pete Thamel talks about the financial motivation to expand the CFP

There's some interesting points and quotes in that article so I recommend reading the whole thing, but the gist is that there may be a long term financial ding that these schools suffer in the wake of the pandemic. Such a set of circumstances might lead schools to find easier ways to make that cash up and an easy way could be expanding the CFP.

There also appears to be a growing realization that the schools have farmed out some of their best products to middle-men...the bowl games. Why do that? Especially in a time when circling the wagons may be necessary?

Also found this article a little while ago, it looks like a local paper in VA talking about James Madison and Old Dominion. The point of the article is to underscore a potential movement towards more regional conferences. Apparently, there have been some conversations on that.

Considering the pressure that may exist at some of the G5 and FCS schools, reorganizing into more regional entities may prove fruitful. They want to reduce expenses and it doesn't make as much sense for schools on the same level to be stretched across multiple states when comparable programs lay a couple hundred miles away. Some of the talk centers around only doing that for the minor sports so excluding football and basketball, but the point is also made that football rivalries and travel for fans may play a role in the final outlook.

Now, this sort of dynamic is more relevant to programs on the fringe. The finances of the G5 and FCS are less flexible as we pointed out earlier with their petition to the NCAA.

Nonetheless, for programs looking to save a few bucks here and there, could this sort of thinking creep into the minds of Power 5 leaders?

Finally, I was listening to some local radio today and some of the hosts seem to think that the SEC, for example, might play their conference schedule this season and nothing more. That obviously hurts the G5s the most, but it would impact all non-conference games. It didn't sound like they had any inside info or anything, they were just pitching a notion that would make playing a football season more feasible if people are worried about getting together.

Reduce the number of games? Play more regionally as a whole? Some might like that better.

Now personally, I think the football season will more or less look normal. There are already signs from Federal, State(across the country), and local leaders that they want to open the economy within the next few weeks. That would come well before players have to report for Fall camp or students were on campus.

I think college leaders are hesitant to make any commitments today because they don't really have the freedom to buck State and Federal authorities anyway. They'll wait for the politicians to call the shots and go from there. Just my view.

Anyway, as to how all this might affect the long term outlook, I do think there could be some interesting changes to how football...the primary revenue driver...is played.

For one, an expanded CFP and a de-emphasis on the exhibition oriented bowl season would obviously produce more opportunities for teams to compete in relevant games. That means conferences could have greater freedom to be more regional, but it also means greater numbers in membership is not an impediment to qualifying. More teams equals more wildcards one way or the other.

At this point, I foresee TV revenue becoming even more important than it already is, if you can imagine. For one, some fans will always be a little skittish and reduce the number of times they attend a game in person. Tickets sales reduction could be a long term trend in other words. Many fans will rely evermore on TV networks to bring them the teams they follow which incidentally drives up the value of TV broadcasts.

Additionally, if it's deemed that CFP money is more valuable for the sake of stability then perhaps steps are actually taken to reduce the number of regular season games. Less ticket demand might make these moves much more reasonable and it would also create some scarcity. If there are 10 regular season games instead of 12 then your opportunities are reduced for you whether you asked for it or not, but it also provides an opportunity to increase ticket prices and take advantage of premium seating. If social distancing in some form or fashion becomes a way of life then fewer people will want to be crammed into a stadium anyway. They'll watch at home, pay for seats that allow them to distance themselves a bit more, or they just won't attend as often.

Obviously, that social dynamic won't take effect with everyone and certainly not permanently, but either way, TV becomes more valuable as a means to show the product. If you're relying on TV then you need to fill TV's needs. Obviously, there aren't going to be a ton of people tuning in for Alabama/Western Carolina or Auburn/Samford. This type of environment would quicken the pace with which we run headlong into a schedule where Power schools only play Power schools...with occasional exceptions perhaps, but you get the point.

Now with respect the regional interpretation of conferences, does that become more or less likely?

I'm not sure. I mean, you can still reduce costs by placing the schools from multiple regions under one administrative roof. Just because everyone is in the same conference doesn't mean they have to play all the time. You can still have mostly regional schedules, and you can still host a conference championship game that pits schools against each other who otherwise might not play very often.

You can still increase leverage with media companies too if there's more cooperation. If the leagues regressed back to more regional entities then the TV networks actually regain some leverage. Since TV revenue could be a little more stable than ticket sales in this future then perhaps larger leagues are still best especially considering no reduction in the opportunity to qualify for the CFP.

Now here comes the world domination part, if we enter this future then here's my proposal for what the SEC should do...

1. Large is good.
2. Less room on the schedule for non-conference games.
3. Maintain regionalism to a reasonable degree.
4. Lean towards quality content because TV becomes more important.

With that in mind, I don't mind absorbing regions rather than focusing on the best products.

I would take Texas, Texas Tech, TCU, and Baylor.

Beyond that, I would leave room to acquire the schools in the East that complete the footprint. Florida State, Georgia Tech, Clemson, and not sure who the others might be.

In other words, I wouldn't worry so much about tapping new regions even though I've been a proponent of that in the past. I would think in terms of completely controlling the ones we're already in.
Those are worthy thoughts. I would just discount Thamel and focus on the regionality potential, but take a deeper look into the economics underpinning what we are about to go through. Some points to consider.

1. Beat writers should shut up. Thamel like most of them are clueless when it comes to economics and economic motivations. There will be no expansion of the CFP if you can't have a normal season. The underlying obstacles are the same and the damn travel is greater. And just who would be going to these games? That alone kills the motivation for bowls, let alone the middle man aspect is no longer even a part of them. The bowls for the most part are owned by ESPN and the payments set.

2. The victims of no season (which is the likeliest outcome) are going to be those schools most heavily subsidized which is why the AAC is feeling the pinch dramatically. South Florida is subsidized to the tune of 42% of its athletic budget. Florida by contrast is subsidized about 4%.

So those leaching from student fees or borrowing to play from the taxpayers of their states may evaporate more quickly than they appeared.

3. The second grouping that could suffer the annihilation of athletics at their schools are small privates some of which are in the P5. How well do Wake Forest and Boston College survive this? It will depend on how large their athletic endowments are. Ironically the only school to suffer the Death Penalty has an athletic endowment well over 1 Billion dollars and could spring back to life at a time when other small privates are drying up and dying out of athletics and while the nation faces a different kind of death penalty. S.M.U. could benefit from the current crisis.

4. Large publics (think P5 now) without large athletic endowments might start to falter if the virus can be cured or arrested within 2 years of suspended play.

So yes there are a lot of changes that could be taking place.

5. I believe the core Big 10 and SEC schools (pretty well endowed athletically) will be fine. This happened in WWII you know there are those who know how to budget around it. But the other whammy that will hit all of college athletics that nobody is talking about is the talent pool will have also diminished at the High School level with no play.

What happens if this drags out 3 years? Lousy play happens when incoming athletes have had 3 years of no competition, no training, no fundamental development, and no discipline. That means a totally crappy product for at least 2 years before you start to build the talent level back up and that too could impact the sport.

6. As to regional play, it always makes good sense and sound business to play regionally. But face it nobody is clamoring for UNA to play UA or for Troy to play Auburn. Our original 10 SEC foes are going to hang tough. I suspect Arkansas, Missouri and A&M will as well. South Carolina is not at issue for travel problems. But it would be all the more reason to look again to Clemson, Florida State and Georgia Tech and perhaps Louisville, or into adding enough schools West of Mississippi to make that side viable for regional play within division.

7. It's the first part of the 3 part Chinese Curse:
a. May you live in interesting times.
b. May those in Authority take notice of you.
c. May all the desires of your heart come true.

Interesting times are never normal and always have upheaval. Check.
When those in authority take notice of you it is never good because when they are settled they aren't worried about what you are doing or not doing and you remain free to determine the course of your life.
And we are almost always destroyed by our desires instead of fulfilled by them. But at least right now in spite of it being interesting times, and in spite of government beginning to notice us more, at least there aren't many getting their desires met and exceeded.

There's a silver lining somewhere in this dark cloud.
(04-16-2020 08:32 AM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]2. The victims of no season (which is the likeliest outcome) are going to be those schools most heavily subsidized which is why the AAC is feeling the pinch dramatically. South Florida is subsidized to the tune of 42% of its athletic budget. Florida by contrast is subsidized about 4%.

So those leaching from student fees or borrowing to play from the taxpayers of their states may evaporate more quickly than they appeared.

3. The second grouping that could suffer the annihilation of athletics at their schools are small privates some of which are in the P5. How well do Wake Forest and Boston College survive this? It will depend on how large their athletic endowments are. Ironically the only school to suffer the Death Penalty has an athletic endowment well over 1 Billion dollars and could spring back to life at a time when other small privates are drying up and dying out of athletics and while the nation faces a different kind of death penalty. S.M.U. could benefit from the current crisis.

4. Large publics (think P5 now) without large athletic endowments might start to falter if the virus can be cured or arrested within 2 years of suspended play.

I agree that public schools will do better than private ones.

But I also think that if there's no season, the ones hurt the worst are the ones with high overhead costs. Let's compare two institutions of roughly similar size & endowment & university total budget: Oklahoma and Cincinnati

Oklahoma's athletic budget is $175 million. $42 million comes from ticket sales, $55 million from broadcasting rights & licensing, almost zero from school funds.

Cincinnati's athletic budget is $64 million. $6 million comes from ticket sales, $16 million from broadcasting rights & licensing, and $29 million from school funds.

So in a normal year, Cincinnati's AD loses $29 million and Oklahoma's loses 0.

But if there's no season, Cincinnati's AD loses $51 million and Oklahoma's loses $97 million.


(I know USA today's numbers aren't broken down enough to be able to tell what revenue will continue if there's no season. But you get the idea)
(04-23-2020 12:04 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-16-2020 08:32 AM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]2. The victims of no season (which is the likeliest outcome) are going to be those schools most heavily subsidized which is why the AAC is feeling the pinch dramatically. South Florida is subsidized to the tune of 42% of its athletic budget. Florida by contrast is subsidized about 4%.

So those leaching from student fees or borrowing to play from the taxpayers of their states may evaporate more quickly than they appeared.

3. The second grouping that could suffer the annihilation of athletics at their schools are small privates some of which are in the P5. How well do Wake Forest and Boston College survive this? It will depend on how large their athletic endowments are. Ironically the only school to suffer the Death Penalty has an athletic endowment well over 1 Billion dollars and could spring back to life at a time when other small privates are drying up and dying out of athletics and while the nation faces a different kind of death penalty. S.M.U. could benefit from the current crisis.

4. Large publics (think P5 now) without large athletic endowments might start to falter if the virus can be cured or arrested within 2 years of suspended play.

I agree that public schools will do better than private ones.

But I also think that if there's no season, the ones hurt the worst are the ones with high overhead costs. Let's compare two institutions of roughly similar size & endowment & university total budget: Oklahoma and Cincinnati

Oklahoma's athletic budget is $175 million. $42 million comes from ticket sales, $55 million from broadcasting rights & licensing, almost zero from school funds.

Cincinnati's athletic budget is $64 million. $6 million comes from ticket sales, $16 million from broadcasting rights & licensing, and $29 million from school funds.

So in a normal year, Cincinnati's AD loses $29 million and Oklahoma's loses 0.

But if there's no season, Cincinnati's AD loses $51 million and Oklahoma's loses $97 million.


(I know USA today's numbers aren't broken down enough to be able to tell what revenue will continue if there's no season. But you get the idea)

The fact that OU is getting almost nothing from university funds today means that they have some room (probably a lot of room, given how successful their athletics have been) to lean on the university administration to cover most of their 2020 revenue shortfall.
(04-23-2020 12:44 PM)Wedge Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-23-2020 12:04 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-16-2020 08:32 AM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]2. The victims of no season (which is the likeliest outcome) are going to be those schools most heavily subsidized which is why the AAC is feeling the pinch dramatically. South Florida is subsidized to the tune of 42% of its athletic budget. Florida by contrast is subsidized about 4%.

So those leaching from student fees or borrowing to play from the taxpayers of their states may evaporate more quickly than they appeared.

3. The second grouping that could suffer the annihilation of athletics at their schools are small privates some of which are in the P5. How well do Wake Forest and Boston College survive this? It will depend on how large their athletic endowments are. Ironically the only school to suffer the Death Penalty has an athletic endowment well over 1 Billion dollars and could spring back to life at a time when other small privates are drying up and dying out of athletics and while the nation faces a different kind of death penalty. S.M.U. could benefit from the current crisis.

4. Large publics (think P5 now) without large athletic endowments might start to falter if the virus can be cured or arrested within 2 years of suspended play.

I agree that public schools will do better than private ones.

But I also think that if there's no season, the ones hurt the worst are the ones with high overhead costs. Let's compare two institutions of roughly similar size & endowment & university total budget: Oklahoma and Cincinnati

Oklahoma's athletic budget is $175 million. $42 million comes from ticket sales, $55 million from broadcasting rights & licensing, almost zero from school funds.

Cincinnati's athletic budget is $64 million. $6 million comes from ticket sales, $16 million from broadcasting rights & licensing, and $29 million from school funds.

So in a normal year, Cincinnati's AD loses $29 million and Oklahoma's loses 0.

But if there's no season, Cincinnati's AD loses $51 million and Oklahoma's loses $97 million.


(I know USA today's numbers aren't broken down enough to be able to tell what revenue will continue if there's no season. But you get the idea)

The fact that OU is getting almost nothing from university funds today means that they have some room (probably a lot of room, given how successful their athletics have been) to lean on the university administration to cover most of their 2020 revenue shortfall.

It will be very interesting to watch the O&G markets. Texas, Texas Tech, Texas A&M, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State are heavily dependent upon them either directly or indirectly since most of their largest donors are O&G folks. Now they have deep pockets so covering COVID19 probably will be easily accomplished. But, if we have protracted price war over oil their ability to replenish those funds might be severely hampered.
(04-16-2020 08:32 AM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]Those are worthy thoughts. I would just discount Thamel and focus on the regionality potential, but take a deeper look into the economics underpinning what we are about to go through. Some points to consider.

1. Beat writers should shut up. Thamel like most of them are clueless when it comes to economics and economic motivations. There will be no expansion of the CFP if you can't have a normal season. The underlying obstacles are the same and the damn travel is greater. And just who would be going to these games? That alone kills the motivation for bowls, let alone the middle man aspect is no longer even a part of them. The bowls for the most part are owned by ESPN and the payments set.

2. The victims of no season (which is the likeliest outcome) are going to be those schools most heavily subsidized which is why the AAC is feeling the pinch dramatically. South Florida is subsidized to the tune of 42% of its athletic budget. Florida by contrast is subsidized about 4%.

So those leaching from student fees or borrowing to play from the taxpayers of their states may evaporate more quickly than they appeared.

3. The second grouping that could suffer the annihilation of athletics at their schools are small privates some of which are in the P5. How well do Wake Forest and Boston College survive this? It will depend on how large their athletic endowments are. Ironically the only school to suffer the Death Penalty has an athletic endowment well over 1 Billion dollars and could spring back to life at a time when other small privates are drying up and dying out of athletics and while the nation faces a different kind of death penalty. S.M.U. could benefit from the current crisis.

4. Large publics (think P5 now) without large athletic endowments might start to falter if the virus can be cured or arrested within 2 years of suspended play.

So yes there are a lot of changes that could be taking place.

5. I believe the core Big 10 and SEC schools (pretty well endowed athletically) will be fine. This happened in WWII you know there are those who know how to budget around it. But the other whammy that will hit all of college athletics that nobody is talking about is the talent pool will have also diminished at the High School level with no play.

What happens if this drags out 3 years? Lousy play happens when incoming athletes have had 3 years of no competition, no training, no fundamental development, and no discipline. That means a totally crappy product for at least 2 years before you start to build the talent level back up and that too could impact the sport.

6. As to regional play, it always makes good sense and sound business to play regionally. But face it nobody is clamoring for UNA to play UA or for Troy to play Auburn. Our original 10 SEC foes are going to hang tough. I suspect Arkansas, Missouri and A&M will as well. South Carolina is not at issue for travel problems. But it would be all the more reason to look again to Clemson, Florida State and Georgia Tech and perhaps Louisville, or into adding enough schools West of Mississippi to make that side viable for regional play within division.

7. It's the first part of the 3 part Chinese Curse:
a. May you live in interesting times.
b. May those in Authority take notice of you.
c. May all the desires of your heart come true.

Interesting times are never normal and always have upheaval. Check.
When those in authority take notice of you it is never good because when they are settled they aren't worried about what you are doing or not doing and you remain free to determine the course of your life.
And we are almost always destroyed by our desires instead of fulfilled by them. But at least right now in spite of it being interesting times, and in spite of government beginning to notice us more, at least there aren't many getting their desires met and exceeded.

There's a silver lining somewhere in this dark cloud.

Evidently Hokie Mark found it difficult to find athletic endowment numbers. This information that he found is from 2003

https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2015/...ments.html



Unfortunately, this data is not as widely-available as regular endowment fund data, so the most recent numbers I was able to get my hands on were from 2003 (if you know where I can get newer data, please send me an email or leave a comment!). Here are the top 30 athletic endowments for 2003:

Sports Endowments, 2002-2003 Academic Year

1. Stanford $270 million
2. Notre Dame $130 million
3. North Carolina $106 million
4. USC $100 million
5. Duke $63 million
6. Texas A&M $45 million
7. Virginia $35 million
8. Michigan $31.7 million
9. Florida $24.1 million
10. Penn State $21.3 million
11. Virginia Tech $20.3 million
12. Texas $18.5 million
13. Florida State $18.2 million
14. Georgia $18 million
15. Iowa $18 million
16. Ohio State $17 million
17. Oklahoma $15 million
18. West Virginia $14.9 million
19. Tennessee $14 million
20. Oregon $13.9 million
21. Clemson $12 million
22. N.C. State $12 million
23. Maryland $9 million
24. Kansas State $9 million
25. Boise State $7.3 million
26. Pittsburgh $6 million
27. Louisiana State $6 million
28. Auburn $5.6 million
29. Colorado $5.5 million
29. Marshall $3.2 million
30. Texas Tech $3.1 million
(04-27-2020 04:36 AM)XLance Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-16-2020 08:32 AM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]Those are worthy thoughts. I would just discount Thamel and focus on the regionality potential, but take a deeper look into the economics underpinning what we are about to go through. Some points to consider.

1. Beat writers should shut up. Thamel like most of them are clueless when it comes to economics and economic motivations. There will be no expansion of the CFP if you can't have a normal season. The underlying obstacles are the same and the damn travel is greater. And just who would be going to these games? That alone kills the motivation for bowls, let alone the middle man aspect is no longer even a part of them. The bowls for the most part are owned by ESPN and the payments set.

2. The victims of no season (which is the likeliest outcome) are going to be those schools most heavily subsidized which is why the AAC is feeling the pinch dramatically. South Florida is subsidized to the tune of 42% of its athletic budget. Florida by contrast is subsidized about 4%.

So those leaching from student fees or borrowing to play from the taxpayers of their states may evaporate more quickly than they appeared.

3. The second grouping that could suffer the annihilation of athletics at their schools are small privates some of which are in the P5. How well do Wake Forest and Boston College survive this? It will depend on how large their athletic endowments are. Ironically the only school to suffer the Death Penalty has an athletic endowment well over 1 Billion dollars and could spring back to life at a time when other small privates are drying up and dying out of athletics and while the nation faces a different kind of death penalty. S.M.U. could benefit from the current crisis.

4. Large publics (think P5 now) without large athletic endowments might start to falter if the virus can be cured or arrested within 2 years of suspended play.

So yes there are a lot of changes that could be taking place.

5. I believe the core Big 10 and SEC schools (pretty well endowed athletically) will be fine. This happened in WWII you know there are those who know how to budget around it. But the other whammy that will hit all of college athletics that nobody is talking about is the talent pool will have also diminished at the High School level with no play.

What happens if this drags out 3 years? Lousy play happens when incoming athletes have had 3 years of no competition, no training, no fundamental development, and no discipline. That means a totally crappy product for at least 2 years before you start to build the talent level back up and that too could impact the sport.

6. As to regional play, it always makes good sense and sound business to play regionally. But face it nobody is clamoring for UNA to play UA or for Troy to play Auburn. Our original 10 SEC foes are going to hang tough. I suspect Arkansas, Missouri and A&M will as well. South Carolina is not at issue for travel problems. But it would be all the more reason to look again to Clemson, Florida State and Georgia Tech and perhaps Louisville, or into adding enough schools West of Mississippi to make that side viable for regional play within division.

7. It's the first part of the 3 part Chinese Curse:
a. May you live in interesting times.
b. May those in Authority take notice of you.
c. May all the desires of your heart come true.

Interesting times are never normal and always have upheaval. Check.
When those in authority take notice of you it is never good because when they are settled they aren't worried about what you are doing or not doing and you remain free to determine the course of your life.
And we are almost always destroyed by our desires instead of fulfilled by them. But at least right now in spite of it being interesting times, and in spite of government beginning to notice us more, at least there aren't many getting their desires met and exceeded.

There's a silver lining somewhere in this dark cloud.

Evidently Hokie Mark found it difficult to find athletic endowment numbers. This information that he found is from 2003

https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2015/...ments.html



Unfortunately, this data is not as widely-available as regular endowment fund data, so the most recent numbers I was able to get my hands on were from 2003 (if you know where I can get newer data, please send me an email or leave a comment!). Here are the top 30 athletic endowments for 2003:

Sports Endowments, 2002-2003 Academic Year

1. Stanford $270 million
2. Notre Dame $130 million
3. North Carolina $106 million
4. USC $100 million
5. Duke $63 million
6. Texas A&M $45 million
7. Virginia $35 million
8. Michigan $31.7 million

9. Florida $24.1 million
10. Penn State $21.3 million
11. Virginia Tech $20.3 million
12. Texas $18.5 million
13. Florida State $18.2 million
14. Georgia $18 million
15. Iowa $18 million
16. Ohio State $17 million
17. Oklahoma $15 million
18. West Virginia $14.9 million
19. Tennessee $14 million
20. Oregon $13.9 million
21. Clemson $12 million
22. N.C. State $12 million
23. Maryland $9 million
24. Kansas State $9 million
25. Boise State $7.3 million
26. Pittsburgh $6 million
27. Louisiana State $6 million
28. Auburn $5.6 million
29. Colorado $5.5 million
29. Marshall $3.2 million
30. Texas Tech $3.1 million

While it is certainly true that athletic endowment and overall endowment are two separate things, overall endowment is a metric that shows the ability of an entity to raise money. Those I've highlighted in black have all the money in the world so to speak as they have been endowed in the 18th or 19th Century with what is now billions, and OU, Texas, and TAMU have direct oil revenue IIRC.

Carolina is somewhat boarderline. There are not as wealthy as you might think, but not poor at all. It's a function of being in NC in the 18th, 19th and 20th Century.

Duke, UVa, and to a lesser degree Carolina and Notre Dame could spend damn near anything they want on sports and do it for 20 years, long enough to snuff out your program. Duke and UVa tend to chose to spend just enough to make sure then piss on Carolina when needed. That has the practical effect of keeping costs down in the ACC and allows GT, NC State, WF, and VT to compete.

This is the underlying reason why some ACC schools don't want Texas in the ACC. Texas has an unlimited source of revenue and the wiliness to spend it.
There are five kinds of P-5's when it comes to access to money:

1. Uber wealthy - Duke, Stanford, NW, Texas, TAMU, OU, UVa, Michigan
2. Wealthy - UNC, USC, Ohio State, Penn State, Florida, Georgia, Oregon, Tennessee, Ohio State, Washington, ND, Cal, UCLA, Vandy
3. Upper Middle Class - Minn, Wisky, Iowa, Indiana, Illinois, Purdue, FSU, Clemson, VT, WF, Alabama, Auburn, LSU, UK, Miami, Nebraska, Louisville, Baylor, BC, Michigan State
4. Middle Class - NC State, South Carolina, GT, WF, Ole Miss, MSU, Arkansas, MD, Kansas, TT, Ok State, TCU, Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Utah, Iowa State, Mizzou
5. Living Above Their Means - Washington State, Oregon State, Kansas State

Who has the means to be middle class in this group?

Rice, Cincy, Houston, and BYU can do that now.
Colorado State, Tulane, Navy, Army, UCF, and USF would be living above their means in order to compete.

The access to money difference is at least an order of magnitude and that's what make what Clemson has done so impressive and makes Texas, TAMU, and Michigan inexcusably bad.
Carolina's Rams Club is in the midst of a $500 Million athletic scholarship campaign.

Money from the endowment is used to pay the scholarship costs of Carolina's student athletes.


https://ramsclub.com/campaign/index.html


Rams Club members will be a vital part of the University’s $4.25 billion For All Kind capital campaign. With the third largest goal of that campaign, Athletics seeks to raise $500 million in support of Carolina student-athletes through The Rams Club.
(04-27-2020 11:41 AM)Statefan Wrote: [ -> ]There are five kinds of P-5's when it comes to access to money:

1. Uber wealthy - Duke, Stanford, NW, Texas, TAMU, OU, UVa, Michigan
2. Wealthy - UNC, USC, Ohio State, Penn State, Florida, Georgia, Oregon, Tennessee, Ohio State, Washington, ND, Cal, UCLA, Vandy
3. Upper Middle Class - Minn, Wisky, Iowa, Indiana, Illinois, Purdue, FSU, Clemson, VT, WF, Alabama, Auburn, LSU, UK, Miami, Nebraska, Louisville, Baylor, BC, Michigan State
4. Middle Class - NC State, South Carolina, GT, WF, Ole Miss, MSU, Arkansas, MD, Kansas, TT, Ok State, TCU, Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Utah, Iowa State, Mizzou
5. Living Above Their Means - Washington State, Oregon State, Kansas State

Who has the means to be middle class in this group?

Rice, Cincy, Houston, and BYU can do that now.
Colorado State, Tulane, Navy, Army, UCF, and USF would be living above their means in order to compete.

Would be better to rank these athletic departments by how much money they actually get in donations.

The top group would be programs that have averaged over $30 million/year in donations for the last three years, the last group (for P5 schools) would be programs that bring in less than $10 million/year in donations. I'd say "middle class" among P5 requires an average of at least $15 million/year in donations.
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