(06-02-2020 01:43 PM)Dukester Wrote: [ -> ] (06-02-2020 11:17 AM)ShadyP Wrote: [ -> ] (06-01-2020 01:22 PM)Dukester Wrote: [ -> ] (06-01-2020 10:35 AM)Potomac Wrote: [ -> ] (06-01-2020 09:25 AM)Dukester Wrote: [ -> ]Still say no football games for JMU in September is a lock.
Is there anything meaningful to share supporting this or is this just your hunch?
Yep - paragraphs and paragraphs that I have listed on multiple posts for over the last month - including as of today 57% are more more concerned about the virus than the economy.
It's not about whether some think this is just another flu.
Polls are all controlled by the sample population polled.......and who paid for the poll and also the desired results. Let me poll a few hundred people that I want to and I bet I can yield a completely different poll result.
Call me crazy but I don't trust these poll numbers spouted off by the media one bit.
OK - don't believe the polls. They are are all part of a hoax. If everyone is unconcerned and ready get back to normal, explain why the stores that opened up under phase 1 are like ghost towns?
Mrs Dukester went to Old Navy on Saturday and said there was 6 people working there and there was only one other customer. We went to Coldstone on Sunday at around 5:00 PM. They had 4 people working there, and Mrs Dukester, Dukester III, and I were the only ones in there. I see restaurants that opened for outdoor seating that were half full on nice days this past weekend with minimum capacity.
You probably don't trust the poll on here of the "die hard" JMU football fans too, because about half of them said they are not sure if they will get season football tickets this year. When half the diehards are not sure....
shoppers habits are... strange. A family member of mine went to TJ Maxx on their first or second day open and waited in line for 40 minutes to check out. Apparently some waited as long as 2 hours. This was in southwestern PA on Saturday I believe.
Not for me.
Oklahoma State had started to try and open up training for returning FB players, and 3 players tested positive as asymptomatic Covid carriers and have been quarantined. As a result incoming Freshmen were told not to report. One of the players who tested positive had been participating in the George Floyd protests.
(06-03-2020 09:25 PM)Longhorn Wrote: [ -> ]Oklahoma State had started to try and open up training for returning FB players, and 3 players tested positive as asymptomatic Covid carriers and have been quarantined. As a result incoming Freshmen were told not to report. One of the players who tested positive had been participating in the George Floyd protests.
Yep - not going to happen as scheduled.
It makes sense for OSU to pause for a bit if they have players testing positive ... still 3 out of ~120 players having mild asymptomatic cases doesn’t seem like an absolute show stopper to the season yet. Now if half the team gets it and a few end up in the hospital, that’s a different deal.
(06-04-2020 10:31 AM)JMURocks Wrote: [ -> ]It makes sense for OSU to pause for a bit if they have players testing positive ... still 3 out of ~120 players having mild asymptomatic cases doesn’t seem like an absolute show stopper to the season yet. Now if half the team gets it and a few end up in the hospital, that’s a different deal.
There will be too many of these instances. 3 people test positive and they choose not to have the Freshman report. It's going to happen everywhere. Now how about when the 3 coaches get it? Just continue on without the Head coach, and OC? Sure the players and parents will be comfortable about that.
There are few instances that cannot be resolved, but there is just going to be too many of them. If/when football camps open you're going to see things much worse than this.
As I said, even classes are still in limbo.
Quote:Dear JMU Community,
Amid the COVID-19 pandemic, we’ve previously announced that James Madison University plans to offer an in-person, on-campus residential experience this fall in accordance with applicable public health guidance. As the Commonwealth of Virginia begins to reopen, it’s important that we update you on the specific contingency plans to support the reopening of the campus that we have been working to develop since March. Safeguarding the health and well-being of students, faculty, staff and members of our community, modifying operations and facility use, and responding to potential outbreaks—all within the context of our mission as a learning community—have been our motivations as we’ve planned to resume on-campus operations since the start of the pandemic.
We look forward to sharing the details of these plans with the JMU community in the coming weeks, following forthcoming guidance from the Virginia Department of Health and the Office of the Governor related to the reopening of higher education institutions.
In the meantime, our intention is to begin classes in late August as planned, and adhere to our normal academic calendar, concluding classes in mid-December. Of course, conditions in the coming months could alter those plans, but we sincerely believe that returning to the interpersonal learning experience for which JMU is known, as soon as is practicable, is the best and wisest course forward. More soon.
As I continue to say, even classes are still in limbo.
We will not be playing Delaware September 5, 2020.
You think some professors will be, more than a little, concerned about teaching students in person especially when a school supports having 100 athletes grouping tightly together each day?
We just aren't there yet.
Once again, I'm moving forward with life with some some additional precautions. But it's not what I think, or anyone else does individually - it's the overall concerned population that will drive decisions. When it comes to health a lot of the population will take the safe approach which will effect a lot of decision making.
Amazing to me that mass protests are the norm in this country (which is GOOD and I support their constitutional right and I want justice served for George Floyd and the other named and unnamed people who have suffered under police brutality), but for some reason public health officials have gone totally silent about their potential health effects. Is there anything more disingenuous than the shutdown crew? What happened to anyone congregating being grandma killers? Dukester and others were pretty upset about people protesting with firearms in Michigan, none of which ended in violence, but now we have widespread mobs, looting, death and injury associated with peaceful protests that have gotten out of control and we dont hear a word about the potential health effects of mass protests?
Without social distancing we were promised 2.5 million deaths! If this is the consequence why arent people going INSANE to stop or at least reorganize the protests?
People have decided one’s more important than the other. Truly, that’s what it is. Same as what it was for the hair cut protests with the rocket launchers. People prioritize what they care most about. Shouting people down for living a free life is dumb no matter one’s reasoning IMO.
(06-04-2020 12:08 PM)Centdukesfan Wrote: [ -> ]Amazing to me that mass protests are the norm in this country (which is GOOD and I support their constitutional right and I want justice served for George Floyd and the other named and unnamed people who have suffered under police brutality), but for some reason public health officials have gone totally silent about their potential health effects. Is there anything more disingenuous than the shutdown crew? What happened to anyone congregating being grandma killers? Dukester and others were pretty upset about people protesting with firearms in Michigan, none of which ended in violence, but now we have widespread mobs, looting, death and injury associated with peaceful protests that have gotten out of control and we dont hear a word about the potential health effects of mass protests?
Without social distancing we were promised 2.5 million deaths! If this is the consequence why arent people going INSANE to stop or at least reorganize the protests?
I'm not sure who has gone totally silent. I've heard a lot of concern about this, and the affects that could show up in 2-3 weeks.
Cent - you don't get what is going on, and perhaps you never will. People are mad - black, whites, Asians, old, especially young. I'm one. This old white guy is pissed - and sick and tired it keeps happening. It sickens me. This is not about Mobs looting - it's about the environment that still exists where much of our population are not being treated fairly. This is not one case - this is another case that just keeps happening. The only ones we hear about are the ones that someone films. It's amazing how the story changes once the film comes out.
I'm in the suburbs, and surprisingly there have been multiple peaceful protests within 5 miles of my house. Most of the protesters are white and young. People are tired of it.
The vast majority of police officers are fantastic. The vast majority of people who protest are good people simply showing their concern. You can try to slant this as a negative, but there has never been anything like this in my lifetime as far as the nation coming together to facilitate change. If this was just another lynching without the protests across the country, this would of had little, if any effect on anything.
Most cities seem to be settling down and coming together. Police chiefs, and Governors talking with demonstrators.
Then there is the guy at the top - his own staff says how he works to divide and insight bad actors. Uses our military & police to cause violence on peaceful demonstrators so he can get a photo op in front of a church trying to figure out how to hold a bible.
I'm hopeful the events of the last week will move us quicker to where we should be.
yeah, so you totally missed my point. I support protests and want to see the end of the mistreatment of people by law enforcement, but ZERO people are talking about the health consequences of violating the social distancing protocols we enacted. Wouldn't the death of one million americans be significant if we dont observe these rules?
(06-04-2020 02:41 PM)JMUDukes1750 Wrote: [ -> ]Alabama had at least 5 players test positive for COVID-19
https://247sports.com/college/alabama/Ar...147852207/
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This isn't surprising, I'd suspect this reflects the general community infection rate of the population at large if we tested everyone.
The question to me is whether teams/schools are able to isolate, contain and control the spread, and also whether players begin to develop serious symptoms.
In other words - are we causing significant harm by having players meet and practice, or are we just discovering preexisting cases? If its the later than the testing and isolation protocols at schools may actually improve things overall. We have had a lot of asymptomatic cases out there over the past several months that were not tested for and continued to spread.
(06-04-2020 12:08 PM)Centdukesfan Wrote: [ -> ]Amazing to me that mass protests are the norm in this country for some reason public health officials have gone totally silent about their potential health effects.
Quote: Dr. Anthony Fauci — arguably the most well-known and well-respected U.S. public health figure in the COVID-19 pandemic — spoke out Tuesday afternoon about large public gatherings across the country, stopping short of specifically addressing protesters taking a stand against the death of George Floyd.
"Pictures, photos and TV clips of people very much congregated, no masks together, very closely congregated on a boardwalk, on a beach, in a pool, has been and continues to be a concern to me," Fauci said.
Two days ago. In before “oh he wasn’t specific” as if he could be talking about televised and/or photographed congregation like it was coming from another worldwide phenomenon.
https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/5266189002
I'll sadly pile on the Dukester negativity for college sports. Pro sports are going to go to extreme measures including TONS of testing. Test Test Test so you find the asymptomatic positives and quarantine them. This will get you some positives but hopefully you catch them soon enough that you dont knock out entire teams. The pro sports are going to be relatively quarantined in general with limited interaction in theory with the outside.
The college football plan seems to be like fill out a questionnaire daily and to do temperature checks. No frequent testing other than when they first arrive on campus. Of course they'll test you if you have symptoms but I don't know if that will be enough. And then you throw in the fact you have football players slamming into each other and then other teams. Travel will be an issue, then back to your campus to mingle potentially.
We have flattened the curve and hospitalizations are dropping despite us reopening some of the economy. That said the spread of the virus or the R is being approximated at 1.01 which means we are still expanding the virus. This could cause the 2nd wave in the fall/winter to be worse than it would be otherwise if we dont snuff this further out the rest of the summer.
Yes young healthy athletes are for the most part not at risk but coaches could be, parents could be. Outdoor is safer but football is a physical, sweaty contact sport. Even if the players are at low risk it doesn't just stop with the healthy football player getting the positive.
If you cant be certain if close to zero risk children can be in school every day for the fall (fingers crossed they can they are driving me nuts), playing college football seems a ways away. We are seeing voluntary workouts start up again and I really do hope football happens. ADs and those in college football are for sure telling themselves it is going to happen. No one wants to evaluate the budget if football doesn't happen (editors note, does JMU get to keep the student fees either way?).
College football will mean we are in a much better place with the COVID. Things are getting better but when you have tens of thousands crammed together for protests I don't see how it can help things. Maybe the seasonal effect and masks and social distancing and hand washing and all the things we are doing now that we weren't before will overpower all of this. But the possibility of outbreaks passed on to the student body (if they are all on campus!) with unpaid laborers who cant collectively bargain among 200+ schools with various stakeholders and opinions .....if there is a tiebreaker on what will be a factor you have to consider the fact most of the decision makers in academia are liberal to very liberal. Maybe the SEC plows along with the resources to test and the willpower to say F it. But its hard to imagine there not being some major disruption with college sports until we have a much better handle on this.
Everyone stay safe out there and hope we are having to shell out 15 a month for FloSports come the fall!
Quote: The question to me is whether teams/schools are able to isolate, contain and control the spread, and also whether players begin to develop serious symptoms.
In other words - are we causing significant harm by having players meet and practice, or are we just discovering preexisting cases? If its the later than the testing and isolation protocols at schools may actually improve things overall. We have had a lot of asymptomatic cases out there over the past several months that were not tested for and continued to spread.
This makes a lot of sense to me. However most colleges are not going to regularly test the asymptomatic. We are only catching these because schools are testing everyone when they arrive. Regular testing of the asymptomatic and quarantining would seem to be providing some overall US health benefit if they were in fact doing this. Most of the school plans I read do not plan on doing this.
(06-04-2020 01:20 PM)Centdukesfan Wrote: [ -> ]yeah, so you totally missed my point. I support protests and want to see the end of the mistreatment of people by law enforcement, but ZERO people are talking about the health consequences of violating the social distancing protocols we enacted. Wouldn't the death of one million americans be significant if we dont observe these rules?
Have you lived under a rock the past week? That just isn't true.
(06-05-2020 08:43 AM)DoubleDogDare Wrote: [ -> ] (06-04-2020 01:20 PM)Centdukesfan Wrote: [ -> ]yeah, so you totally missed my point. I support protests and want to see the end of the mistreatment of people by law enforcement, but ZERO people are talking about the health consequences of violating the social distancing protocols we enacted. Wouldn't the death of one million americans be significant if we dont observe these rules?
Have you lived under a rock the past week? That just isn't true.
Yeah - I've seen it mentioned more this week than any other weeks. It's a major concern. Will be interesting in a couple weeks to see what happens.
So NBA is "planning" to start games 7/31 in one pod location with all the resources money can bring, but people still think college football across the nation can still happen September?
Nope
Not there yet.
(06-05-2020 08:43 AM)DoubleDogDare Wrote: [ -> ] (06-04-2020 01:20 PM)Centdukesfan Wrote: [ -> ]yeah, so you totally missed my point. I support protests and want to see the end of the mistreatment of people by law enforcement, but ZERO people are talking about the health consequences of violating the social distancing protocols we enacted. Wouldn't the death of one million americans be significant if we dont observe these rules?
Have you lived under a rock the past week? That just isn't true.
DDD, it doesn’t fit his narrative about how Chicken Little libcucks have been capricious about their stance on COVID based on the “newest outrage” and how they didn’t actually sincerely care about COVID at all to begin with.
So I guess that
kind of counts as living under a rock.
(06-05-2020 10:50 AM)bjk3047 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-05-2020 08:43 AM)DoubleDogDare Wrote: [ -> ] (06-04-2020 01:20 PM)Centdukesfan Wrote: [ -> ]yeah, so you totally missed my point. I support protests and want to see the end of the mistreatment of people by law enforcement, but ZERO people are talking about the health consequences of violating the social distancing protocols we enacted. Wouldn't the death of one million americans be significant if we dont observe these rules?
Have you lived under a rock the past week? That just isn't true.
DDD, it doesn’t fit his narrative about how Chicken Little libcucks have been capricious about their stance on COVID based on the “newest outrage” and how they didn’t actually sincerely care about COVID at all to begin with.
So I guess that kind of counts as living under a rock.
It was a hyperbolic statement, and therefore open to pointing out a few examples that went in the other direction.
How's this for a more accurate one: The commentary by public health professionals on the ramifications of the protestors not following social distancing and mask-wearing guidelines in the manner previously prescribed by those officials has so far not come close to the levels it did when anti-lockdown protestors were demonstrating and pushing back against the breadth of the lockdowns.
It's possible to notice this and comment about it without doing so being a comment on "liberal cucks" or whatever language you shoved in his mouth. If your worry is that relaxing not only the recommendations, but also the social approbation that was building up towards people who were not going along with the recommendations, is a bad thing because of worries about virus spread, this should terrify you. It isn't just the "MAGA redneck nuts" in my neighborhood here in strongly liberal suburban Denver who have noticed, at least to the limited extent the neighborhood FB and NextDoor groups serve as a guide. I've also seen a legal analysis today that said that to the extent restrictions on large outdoor gatherings persist, they're likely now to fail constitutional muster, because the First Amendment doesn't have a "protest exemption".
(06-04-2020 12:21 PM)HyperDuke Wrote: [ -> ]People have decided one’s more important than the other. Truly, that’s what it is. Same as what it was for the hair cut protests with the rocket launchers. People prioritize what they care most about. Shouting people down for living a free life is dumb no matter one’s reasoning IMO.
(06-05-2020 08:43 AM)DoubleDogDare Wrote: [ -> ] (06-04-2020 01:20 PM)Centdukesfan Wrote: [ -> ]yeah, so you totally missed my point. I support protests and want to see the end of the mistreatment of people by law enforcement, but ZERO people are talking about the health consequences of violating the social distancing protocols we enacted. Wouldn't the death of one million americans be significant if we dont observe these rules?
Have you lived under a rock the past week? That just isn't true.
(06-05-2020 11:11 AM)DukeQuin Wrote: [ -> ] (06-05-2020 10:50 AM)bjk3047 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-05-2020 08:43 AM)DoubleDogDare Wrote: [ -> ] (06-04-2020 01:20 PM)Centdukesfan Wrote: [ -> ]yeah, so you totally missed my point. I support protests and want to see the end of the mistreatment of people by law enforcement, but ZERO people are talking about the health consequences of violating the social distancing protocols we enacted. Wouldn't the death of one million americans be significant if we dont observe these rules?
Have you lived under a rock the past week? That just isn't true.
DDD, it doesn’t fit his narrative about how Chicken Little libcucks have been capricious about their stance on COVID based on the “newest outrage” and how they didn’t actually sincerely care about COVID at all to begin with.
So I guess that kind of counts as living under a rock.
It was a hyperbolic statement, and therefore open to pointing out a few examples that went in the other direction.
How's this for a more accurate one: The commentary by public health professionals on the ramifications of the protestors not following social distancing and mask-wearing guidelines in the manner previously prescribed by those officials has so far not come close to the levels it did when anti-lockdown protestors were demonstrating and pushing back against the breadth of the lockdowns.
It's possible to notice this and comment about it without doing so being a comment on "liberal cucks" or whatever language you shoved in his mouth. If your worry is that relaxing not only the recommendations, but also the social approbation that was building up towards people who were not going along with the recommendations, is a bad thing because of worries about virus spread, this should terrify you. It isn't just the "MAGA redneck nuts" in my neighborhood here in strongly liberal suburban Denver who have noticed, at least to the limited extent the neighborhood FB and NextDoor groups serve as a guide. I've also seen a legal analysis today that said that to the extent restrictions on large outdoor gatherings persist, they're likely now to fail constitutional muster, because the First Amendment doesn't have a "protest exemption".
Thank you. You are also smarter than me, so double thank you for increasing the value of my degree.