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(09-09-2020 09:27 AM)TribePride52 Wrote: [ -> ]The ACC is proposing that every team in Division 1 makes the NCAA tournament this year.

https://twitter.com/jonrothstein/status/...51428?s=21

I think it makes complete sense to do this every year. All is needed is two more rounds. You would need to give byes to teams with auto bids and teams with xyz ranking, but that isn't hard. Start the tournament on the previous weekend or Monday.
Here's my issue with this...

We already have this, in a much more interesting form, in conference tournaments. I'd much rather see W&M battle it out with CAA teams (fairly well matched up, history, they've played a couple of times already) than a random P5 team that's gonna beat them by 15 in a boring game. And in terms of circumstances this year, it will be extremely tough to figure out centralized bubbles for a ~350 team NCAA tourney.

And one more thing, personally. Considering the long wait and considerable suffering (dramatic, I know) that W&M MBB has gone through, I want it to be a big deal, a national story, when we make the tournament. Is that going to be the case if all D1 teams make the tournament? Maybe a little bit, but it will certainly be cheapened.

I just jumped on this train ~5 years ago (when I got to W&M). I waited 20 years for the Caps to win the Stanley Cup, I can go a little longer for a tourney bid if it means the payoff is as good.
In no particular order:

If everyone makes the Dance, the home regular season schedule just got better overnight because regular season losses mean squat ... ie ... a return to the old days when only conference champs went to the NCAA tourney.

The first couple of rounds are played at homes of highest seeds. Imagine a home NCAA game at the Kap?

Piggybacking on the above .... season ticket sales increase.

Boeheim floated this idea years ago.

Go to the British soccer tournament system .... no seeding ... and playing at home or away is random ... now you’re talking excitement!
Reminds me of the movie Hoosiers.
(09-09-2020 09:58 AM)Tribe32 Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-09-2020 09:27 AM)TribePride52 Wrote: [ -> ]The ACC is proposing that every team in Division 1 makes the NCAA tournament this year.

https://twitter.com/jonrothstein/status/...51428?s=21

I think it makes complete sense to do this every year. All is needed is two more rounds. You would need to give byes to teams with auto bids and teams with xyz ranking, but that isn't hard. Start the tournament on the previous weekend or Monday.

Interesting idea, but all the travel required would be cost-prohibitive, exhausting and dangerous in a pandemic. Based on last year's Realtime RPI, assuming no automatic byes, #115 W&M would host #239 Oakland (MI). If W&M and all the top-seeded teams won, we would travel to Nacogdoches to play #63 SF Austin. Maybe the NCAA could organize this behemoth by region.
(09-09-2020 12:26 PM)TribeFan1983 Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-09-2020 09:58 AM)Tribe32 Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-09-2020 09:27 AM)TribePride52 Wrote: [ -> ]The ACC is proposing that every team in Division 1 makes the NCAA tournament this year.

https://twitter.com/jonrothstein/status/...51428?s=21

I think it makes complete sense to do this every year. All is needed is two more rounds. You would need to give byes to teams with auto bids and teams with xyz ranking, but that isn't hard. Start the tournament on the previous weekend or Monday.

Interesting idea, but all the travel required would be cost-prohibitive, exhausting and dangerous in a pandemic. Based on last year's Realtime RPI, assuming no automatic byes, #115 W&M would host #239 Oakland (MI). If W&M and all the top-seeded teams won, we would travel to Nacogdoches to play #63 SF Austin. Maybe the NCAA could organize this behemoth by region.
I don't think you could seed by straight overall rpi. If limiting travel and exposure is a goal, It make more sense to form your seeds by region.
I want us to win a CAA Tournament to get into the NCAAs. My nightmare has always been that the Big Dance would be all-inclusive before we earned our way in.
Think it's important to note that most reporters I've seen say that it's unlikely that the NCAA actually institutes an all-D1 NCAA tourney this year. It would take such an investment and such an incredible amount of logistical planning that I don't think is going to happen. But I do imagine some sort of change to the tournament is probable, especially if a big enough number of teams/conferences opt out of playing
It's a money grab to offset loss of fall revenue. It's always about money.

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(09-09-2020 02:31 PM)NoBidNation Wrote: [ -> ]Think it's important to note that most reporters I've seen say that it's unlikely that the NCAA actually institutes an all-D1 NCAA tourney this year. It would take such an investment and such an incredible amount of logistical planning that I don't think is going to happen. But I do imagine some sort of change to the tournament is probable, especially if a big enough number of teams/conferences opt out of playing

Yes, it is the NCAA, and the NCAA has no clue how to move forward, but ...

If Mike K. wants to do this .... the NCAA has met its match!

Anyway, what’s the big logistical deal? Pods (aka bubbles) of four (eight if it makes more sense), just like the NCAA baseball tournament, based primarily on geography. One winner.

Hampton, Norfolk, ODU, W&M- one pod of four.

Hampton, Norfolk, ODU, W&M, Richmond, VCU, Longwood, Radford- one bubble of eight.

Nah, makes too much sense for the NCAA to even consider it.
Just have the extra games at whatever regional sites are in place for the first two rounds and have more games prior to the 66. Everyone is in a bubble, blah blah blah
(09-09-2020 02:31 PM)NoBidNation Wrote: [ -> ]Think it's important to note that most reporters I've seen say that it's unlikely that the NCAA actually institutes an all-D1 NCAA tourney this year. It would take such an investment and such an incredible amount of logistical planning that I don't think is going to happen. But I do imagine some sort of change to the tournament is probable, especially if a big enough number of teams/conferences opt out of playing

They won't do every team in the tourney, but they will make the 2021 tourney bigger, and then going forward every tourney will be bigger.
(09-09-2020 02:53 PM)nj alum Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-09-2020 02:31 PM)NoBidNation Wrote: [ -> ]Think it's important to note that most reporters I've seen say that it's unlikely that the NCAA actually institutes an all-D1 NCAA tourney this year. It would take such an investment and such an incredible amount of logistical planning that I don't think is going to happen. But I do imagine some sort of change to the tournament is probable, especially if a big enough number of teams/conferences opt out of playing

Yes, it is the NCAA, and the NCAA has no clue how to move forward, but ...

If Mike K. wants to do this .... the NCAA has met its match!

Anyway, what’s the big logistical deal? Pods (aka bubbles) of four (eight if it makes more sense), just like the NCAA baseball tournament, based primarily on geography. One winner.

Hampton, Norfolk, ODU, W&M- one pod of four.

Hampton, Norfolk, ODU, W&M, Richmond, VCU, Longwood, Radford- one bubble of eight.

Nah, makes too much sense for the NCAA to even consider it.

Regional bubbles aren't exactly fair and balanced. The North Carolina bubble would be loaded. The Dakota bubble? Not so much, unless the mighty SDSU Jackrabbits catch fire.
(09-09-2020 10:45 AM)nj alum Wrote: [ -> ]If everyone makes the Dance, the home regular season schedule just got better overnight because regular season losses mean squat ... ie ... a return to the old days when only conference champs went to the NCAA tourney.

There would probably be some improvement (more A10 playdates at the Kap?), but I doubt you would see mid-majors regularly getting home games against P5 schools because the incentives would still heavily favor the P5s sitting tight with their boring non-con slates. The cost alone of traveling to some rinky-dink mid major gym vs. the ticket sales from a home game make away games a kind of charity case. But it would at least strip them of the old RPI excuse which always seemed to me like more of a way for both sides to save face (we don’t want to play because there’s a chance you guys might beat us) than the more obvious and embarrassingly mercenary reason— the P5 would rather not give up the home gate revenue and pay for bus tickets.

In a crazy parallel universe where the NCAA was useful, they would force P5s to schedule away dates against regional mid-majors. This is of course a hypothetical thought exercise where the people charged with guarding the integrity of collegiate sports cared about their long-term health, fan interest, and competitive balance instead of maximizing short term profits and telling 75% of its member institutions to pound sand.

Anyway, yes, they should put every team in the NCAA tournament, have schools host opening round games, and let it rip. Maybe not this year because of COVID but eventually. I’m not too proud to accept the universal auto-bid after 81 years standing in the corner.
(09-09-2020 05:33 PM)TribeFan1983 Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-09-2020 02:53 PM)nj alum Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-09-2020 02:31 PM)NoBidNation Wrote: [ -> ]Think it's important to note that most reporters I've seen say that it's unlikely that the NCAA actually institutes an all-D1 NCAA tourney this year. It would take such an investment and such an incredible amount of logistical planning that I don't think is going to happen. But I do imagine some sort of change to the tournament is probable, especially if a big enough number of teams/conferences opt out of playing

Yes, it is the NCAA, and the NCAA has no clue how to move forward, but ...

If Mike K. wants to do this .... the NCAA has met its match!

Anyway, what’s the big logistical deal? Pods (aka bubbles) of four (eight if it makes more sense), just like the NCAA baseball tournament, based primarily on geography. One winner.

Hampton, Norfolk, ODU, W&M- one pod of four.

Hampton, Norfolk, ODU, W&M, Richmond, VCU, Longwood, Radford- one bubble of eight.

Nah, makes too much sense for the NCAA to even consider it.

Regional bubbles aren't exactly fair and balanced. The North Carolina bubble would be loaded. The Dakota bubble? Not so much, unless the mighty SDSU Jackrabbits catch fire.

Yes, the North Carolina bubble would be loaded. Oh, the horror! :-)

Being from the north, watching Duke and UNC-Cheat play year after year in Greensboro has been / is / always will be nauseating!

However, there is always this wonderful memory of Black Sunday in 1979 (my junior year):

https://www.wralsportsfan.com/unc-and-du.../17386092/

http://ivyhoopsonline.com/2015/07/08/pen...ck-sunday/
John Feinstein gets it, and specifically mentions our situation!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/20...expansion/
He is SO right.
(09-11-2020 12:17 PM)billymac Wrote: [ -> ]He is SO right.

AGREED !!!
And it isn't like we would shake the forgotten 4 moniker if they expanded the tourney and we got in. They would still probably still list us with a * by our name and a footnote mentioning our non achievement. I'm dying to make the tourney. But I don't want anything that dampens the achievement. We've waited too long and suffered enough disappointments. I want to really enjoy it when it happens. I agree that an augmented format lessens the importance of the achievement.
Also, from a Media standpoint, it would be a small "the Forgottten Four" finally got in story, for a day, compared to a BIG story (or two), William & Mary finally makes the Dance!
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