(06-02-2020 01:12 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote: [ -> ] (06-02-2020 01:00 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-02-2020 12:29 PM)App10 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-01-2020 06:22 PM)jedclampett Wrote: [ -> ] (06-01-2020 06:01 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote: [ -> ]
Sorry, but it did make me chuckle as I converse regularly with several Bronco die hards on social media and none of them speculate they’d roll through the AAC. No disrespect to App St., just not sure where that comparison leaves them. Navy is a national brand that brings value to the tv contract. App St’s value is included in the SBC contract which is equal to CUSA and independents not named ND, BYU or Army...no comparison whatsoever to Navy, arguably (inarguably imo), the AAC’s biggest brand. And I like App. st, but that was too much.
I admit, I was half-kidding when I wrote it, but only half-kidding. If App State were to join the conference, they might generate so much interest and income from attendance that they could build a larger stadium.
Heck, they might even put in a blue field. Scratch that - their school colors are black & gold.
With our renovation finishing up this fall we’ll have 30k. I’ll take us filling out our stadium most weeks than getting in a dick measuring contest and having half empty stadiums like many in this conference and across college football.
30k, selling out every week, would move you up from 9th place in the AAC to....*checks factual data*....9th place in the AAC.
And I'll bring up, yet again, that we sold out our 50k seat stadium when we were in a lesser conference too. Wouldn't change a thing as far as the move up, but 4-8 doesn't fill the stands.
My man, I’m from Greenville and grew up in Dowdy - we both know those “50k sellouts” only come with the P5’s come to town. That’s nothing to brag about lol.
(06-03-2020 08:40 AM)App10 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-02-2020 01:00 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-02-2020 12:29 PM)App10 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-01-2020 06:22 PM)jedclampett Wrote: [ -> ] (06-01-2020 06:01 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote: [ -> ] Sorry, but it did make me chuckle as I converse regularly with several Bronco die hards on social media and none of them speculate they’d roll through the AAC. No disrespect to App St., just not sure where that comparison leaves them. Navy is a national brand that brings value to the tv contract. App St’s value is included in the SBC contract which is equal to CUSA and independents not named ND, BYU or Army...no comparison whatsoever to Navy, arguably (inarguably imo), the AAC’s biggest brand. And I like App. st, but that was too much.
I admit, I was half-kidding when I wrote it, but only half-kidding. If App State were to join the conference, they might generate so much interest and income from attendance that they could build a larger stadium.
Heck, they might even put in a blue field. Scratch that - their school colors are black & gold.
With our renovation finishing up this fall we’ll have 30k. I’ll take us filling out our stadium most weeks than getting in a dick measuring contest and having half empty stadiums like many in this conference and across college football.
30k, selling out every week, would move you up from 9th place in the AAC to....*checks factual data*....9th place in the AAC.
Again, we don’t care about your dick measuring contests. We care about a great gameday environment, which we have in spades.
Your presence on this board says differently
(06-03-2020 08:52 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote: [ -> ] (06-03-2020 08:40 AM)App10 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-02-2020 01:00 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-02-2020 12:29 PM)App10 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-01-2020 06:22 PM)jedclampett Wrote: [ -> ]I admit, I was half-kidding when I wrote it, but only half-kidding. If App State were to join the conference, they might generate so much interest and income from attendance that they could build a larger stadium.
Heck, they might even put in a blue field. Scratch that - their school colors are black & gold.
With our renovation finishing up this fall we’ll have 30k. I’ll take us filling out our stadium most weeks than getting in a dick measuring contest and having half empty stadiums like many in this conference and across college football.
30k, selling out every week, would move you up from 9th place in the AAC to....*checks factual data*....9th place in the AAC.
Again, we don’t care about your dick measuring contests. We care about a great gameday environment, which we have in spades.
Your presence on this board says differently
Not really. If App is going to continue being mentioned on these threads I’m going to at least provide fact and context to the comments.
(06-03-2020 08:40 AM)App10 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-02-2020 01:00 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-02-2020 12:29 PM)App10 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-01-2020 06:22 PM)jedclampett Wrote: [ -> ] (06-01-2020 06:01 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote: [ -> ] Sorry, but it did make me chuckle as I converse regularly with several Bronco die hards on social media and none of them speculate they’d roll through the AAC. No disrespect to App St., just not sure where that comparison leaves them. Navy is a national brand that brings value to the tv contract. App St’s value is included in the SBC contract which is equal to CUSA and independents not named ND, BYU or Army...no comparison whatsoever to Navy, arguably (inarguably imo), the AAC’s biggest brand. And I like App. st, but that was too much.
I admit, I was half-kidding when I wrote it, but only half-kidding. If App State were to join the conference, they might generate so much interest and income from attendance that they could build a larger stadium.
Heck, they might even put in a blue field. Scratch that - their school colors are black & gold.
With our renovation finishing up this fall we’ll have 30k. I’ll take us filling out our stadium most weeks than getting in a dick measuring contest and having half empty stadiums like many in this conference and across college football.
30k, selling out every week, would move you up from 9th place in the AAC to....*checks factual data*....9th place in the AAC.
Again, we don’t care about your dick measuring contests. We care about a great gameday environment, which we have in spades.
Also, after checking out the AAC attendance numbers, LOL at you thinking this was some kinda own. Your whole conference averages in the 30’a and 20’s.
As I said 60 posts ago, "Attendance. 5-year average attendance,"
Here's one reference:
https://collegefootballnews.com/2020/03/...m-analysis
ECU, Memphis, UCF, USF, Cincinnati, Navy, Houston, Temple ALL have five year averages ahead of your aspirational 30k.
The point isn't whether or not you are impressed by it.
The point is, that is why the conference continues to not be impressed by App State. Attendance is but one of many on- and off-field metrics that App would drag the AAC down when we are trying to achieve strategic goals in 5-6 years.
(06-03-2020 09:26 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-03-2020 08:40 AM)App10 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-02-2020 01:00 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-02-2020 12:29 PM)App10 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-01-2020 06:22 PM)jedclampett Wrote: [ -> ]I admit, I was half-kidding when I wrote it, but only half-kidding. If App State were to join the conference, they might generate so much interest and income from attendance that they could build a larger stadium.
Heck, they might even put in a blue field. Scratch that - their school colors are black & gold.
With our renovation finishing up this fall we’ll have 30k. I’ll take us filling out our stadium most weeks than getting in a dick measuring contest and having half empty stadiums like many in this conference and across college football.
30k, selling out every week, would move you up from 9th place in the AAC to....*checks factual data*....9th place in the AAC.
Again, we don’t care about your dick measuring contests. We care about a great gameday environment, which we have in spades.
Also, after checking out the AAC attendance numbers, LOL at you thinking this was some kinda own. Your whole conference averages in the 30’a and 20’s.
As I said 60 posts ago, "Attendance. 5-year average attendance,"
Here's one reference: https://collegefootballnews.com/2020/03/...m-analysis
ECU, Memphis, UCF, USF, Cincinnati, Navy, Houston, Temple ALL have five year averages ahead of your aspirational 30k.
The point isn't whether or not you are impressed by it.
The point is, that is why the conference continues to not be impressed by App State. Attendance is but one of many on- and off-field metrics that App would drag the AAC down when we are trying to achieve strategic goals in 5-6 years.
Yo bro, I'll have you know that in 2017, App only lost to Wake Forest by
1 point at home! They're clearly P6 bro. You're just triggered that lowly Navy hasn't had a top 19 ranking in an entire recruiting cycle. You're programs success is clearly ancient history.
(06-03-2020 09:02 AM)App10 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-03-2020 08:52 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote: [ -> ] (06-03-2020 08:40 AM)App10 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-02-2020 01:00 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-02-2020 12:29 PM)App10 Wrote: [ -> ]With our renovation finishing up this fall we’ll have 30k. I’ll take us filling out our stadium most weeks than getting in a dick measuring contest and having half empty stadiums like many in this conference and across college football.
30k, selling out every week, would move you up from 9th place in the AAC to....*checks factual data*....9th place in the AAC.
Again, we don’t care about your dick measuring contests. We care about a great gameday environment, which we have in spades.
Your presence on this board says differently
Not really. If App is going to continue being mentioned on these threads I’m going to at least provide fact and context to the comments.
Like how yall lost to Wake Forest that one time. Quality fact provided there. ******* bad ass bro.
Hey, is it true you guys are adding WKU if you lose a few schools? jedclampett on the realignment board has you guys adding a school in the #177 DMA with $4.1M in ticket sales/donations and a $12.0M non-subsidized budget.
(06-03-2020 10:12 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote: [ -> ]Hey, is it true you guys are adding WKU if you lose a few schools? jedclampett on the realignment board has you guys adding a school in the #177 DMA with $4.1M in ticket sales/donations and a $12.0M non-subsidized budget.
Jed and David are picking schools for us
(06-03-2020 10:18 AM)Pony94 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-03-2020 10:12 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote: [ -> ]Hey, is it true you guys are adding WKU if you lose a few schools? jedclampett on the realignment board has you guys adding a school in the #177 DMA with $4.1M in ticket sales/donations and a $12.0M non-subsidized budget.
Jed and David are picking schools for us
Pretty sure he's next in line for commissioner after Aresco's current deal expires
(06-03-2020 09:26 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-03-2020 08:40 AM)App10 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-02-2020 01:00 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-02-2020 12:29 PM)App10 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-01-2020 06:22 PM)jedclampett Wrote: [ -> ]I admit, I was half-kidding when I wrote it, but only half-kidding. If App State were to join the conference, they might generate so much interest and income from attendance that they could build a larger stadium.
Heck, they might even put in a blue field. Scratch that - their school colors are black & gold.
With our renovation finishing up this fall we’ll have 30k. I’ll take us filling out our stadium most weeks than getting in a dick measuring contest and having half empty stadiums like many in this conference and across college football.
30k, selling out every week, would move you up from 9th place in the AAC to....*checks factual data*....9th place in the AAC.
Again, we don’t care about your dick measuring contests. We care about a great gameday environment, which we have in spades.
Also, after checking out the AAC attendance numbers, LOL at you thinking this was some kinda own. Your whole conference averages in the 30’a and 20’s.
As I said 60 posts ago, "Attendance. 5-year average attendance,"
Here's one reference: https://collegefootballnews.com/2020/03/...m-analysis
ECU, Memphis, UCF, USF, Cincinnati, Navy, Houston, Temple ALL have five year averages ahead of your aspirational 30k.
The point isn't whether or not you are impressed by it.
The point is, that is why the conference continues to not be impressed by App State. Attendance is but one of many on- and off-field metrics that App would drag the AAC down when we are trying to achieve strategic goals in 5-6 years.
Wait, wait. You’re telling me schools who have been in FBS for 40+ years and are located in areas with hundred of thousands of people have a higher 5 year average attendance than the school who has been FBS for just 5 years? No way! Put App in the AAC tomorrow and we’re already ahead of several of your schools in attendance, and that number will only continue to grow.
The point is, you have no clue who the conference is impressed by lol, you’re a message board poster. And as to your “strategic goal”, buddy there is no school you can add, who wants to join, than can help you achieve whatever “strategic goal” you seem to think is there. Must i remind you of the monumental gap between P5 money and AAC money? Even if BYU wanted to join, not even they are making up that gap. Hell you can add BYU and Boise and that gap still ain’t closing. Sorry to break the news. If the AAC wants to expand it’s going to have to take a chance on a program that has a high ceiling and a stable floor. I can assume you’re not in the business development field lol.
(06-03-2020 11:01 AM)App10 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-03-2020 09:26 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-03-2020 08:40 AM)App10 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-02-2020 01:00 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-02-2020 12:29 PM)App10 Wrote: [ -> ]With our renovation finishing up this fall we’ll have 30k. I’ll take us filling out our stadium most weeks than getting in a dick measuring contest and having half empty stadiums like many in this conference and across college football.
30k, selling out every week, would move you up from 9th place in the AAC to....*checks factual data*....9th place in the AAC.
Again, we don’t care about your dick measuring contests. We care about a great gameday environment, which we have in spades.
Also, after checking out the AAC attendance numbers, LOL at you thinking this was some kinda own. Your whole conference averages in the 30’a and 20’s.
As I said 60 posts ago, "Attendance. 5-year average attendance,"
Here's one reference: https://collegefootballnews.com/2020/03/...m-analysis
ECU, Memphis, UCF, USF, Cincinnati, Navy, Houston, Temple ALL have five year averages ahead of your aspirational 30k.
The point isn't whether or not you are impressed by it.
The point is, that is why the conference continues to not be impressed by App State. Attendance is but one of many on- and off-field metrics that App would drag the AAC down when we are trying to achieve strategic goals in 5-6 years.
Wait, wait. You’re telling me schools who have been in FBS for 40+ years and are located in areas with hundred of thousands of people have a higher 5 year average attendance than the school who has been FBS for just 5 years? No way! Put App in the AAC tomorrow and we’re already ahead of several of your schools in attendance, and that number will only continue to grow.
The point is, you have no clue who the conference is impressed by lol, you’re a message board poster. And as to your “strategic goal”, buddy there is no school you can add, who wants to join, than can help you achieve whatever “strategic goal” you seem to think is there. Must i remind you of the monumental gap between P5 money and AAC money? Even if BYU wanted to join, not even they are making up that gap. Hell you can add BYU and Boise and that gap still ain’t closing. Sorry to break the news. If the AAC wants to expand it’s going to have to take a chance on a program that has a high ceiling and a stable floor. I can assume you’re not in the business development field lol.
If the AAC wanted App State, you would be in the conference already.
(06-03-2020 11:01 AM)App10 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-03-2020 09:26 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-03-2020 08:40 AM)App10 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-02-2020 01:00 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-02-2020 12:29 PM)App10 Wrote: [ -> ]With our renovation finishing up this fall we’ll have 30k. I’ll take us filling out our stadium most weeks than getting in a dick measuring contest and having half empty stadiums like many in this conference and across college football.
30k, selling out every week, would move you up from 9th place in the AAC to....*checks factual data*....9th place in the AAC.
Again, we don’t care about your dick measuring contests. We care about a great gameday environment, which we have in spades.
Also, after checking out the AAC attendance numbers, LOL at you thinking this was some kinda own. Your whole conference averages in the 30’a and 20’s.
As I said 60 posts ago, "Attendance. 5-year average attendance,"
Here's one reference: https://collegefootballnews.com/2020/03/...m-analysis
ECU, Memphis, UCF, USF, Cincinnati, Navy, Houston, Temple ALL have five year averages ahead of your aspirational 30k.
The point isn't whether or not you are impressed by it.
The point is, that is why the conference continues to not be impressed by App State. Attendance is but one of many on- and off-field metrics that App would drag the AAC down when we are trying to achieve strategic goals in 5-6 years.
Wait, wait. You’re telling me schools who have been in FBS for 40+ years and are located in areas with hundred of thousands of people have a higher 5 year average attendance than the school who has been FBS for just 5 years? No way! Put App in the AAC tomorrow and we’re already ahead of several of your schools in attendance, and that number will only continue to grow.
The point is, you have no clue who the conference is impressed by lol, you’re a message board poster. And as to your “strategic goal”, buddy there is no school you can add, who wants to join, than can help you achieve whatever “strategic goal” you seem to think is there. Must i remind you of the monumental gap between P5 money and AAC money? Even if BYU wanted to join, not even they are making up that gap. Hell you can add BYU and Boise and that gap still ain’t closing. Sorry to break the news. If the AAC wants to expand it’s going to have to take a chance on a program that has a high ceiling and a stable floor. I can assume you’re not in the business development field lol.
asking for a friend: are you related to Coach Pesik, from Houston? Seem to have similar type of posts. thought maybe it ran in the family.
(06-03-2020 11:01 AM)App10 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-03-2020 09:26 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-03-2020 08:40 AM)App10 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-02-2020 01:00 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-02-2020 12:29 PM)App10 Wrote: [ -> ]With our renovation finishing up this fall we’ll have 30k. I’ll take us filling out our stadium most weeks than getting in a dick measuring contest and having half empty stadiums like many in this conference and across college football.
30k, selling out every week, would move you up from 9th place in the AAC to....*checks factual data*....9th place in the AAC.
Again, we don’t care about your dick measuring contests. We care about a great gameday environment, which we have in spades.
Also, after checking out the AAC attendance numbers, LOL at you thinking this was some kinda own. Your whole conference averages in the 30’a and 20’s.
As I said 60 posts ago, "Attendance. 5-year average attendance,"
Here's one reference: https://collegefootballnews.com/2020/03/...m-analysis
ECU, Memphis, UCF, USF, Cincinnati, Navy, Houston, Temple ALL have five year averages ahead of your aspirational 30k.
The point isn't whether or not you are impressed by it.
The point is, that is why the conference continues to not be impressed by App State. Attendance is but one of many on- and off-field metrics that App would drag the AAC down when we are trying to achieve strategic goals in 5-6 years.
Wait, wait. You’re telling me schools who have been in FBS for 40+ years and are located in areas with hundred of thousands of people have a higher 5 year average attendance than the school who has been FBS for just 5 years? No way! Put App in the AAC tomorrow and we’re already ahead of several of your schools in attendance, and that number will only continue to grow.
The point is, you have no clue who the conference is impressed by lol, you’re a message board poster. And as to your “strategic goal”, buddy there is no school you can add, who wants to join, than can help you achieve whatever “strategic goal” you seem to think is there. Must i remind you of the monumental gap between P5 money and AAC money? Even if BYU wanted to join, not even they are making up that gap. Hell you can add BYU and Boise and that gap still ain’t closing. Sorry to break the news. If the AAC wants to expand it’s going to have to take a chance on a program that has a high ceiling and a stable floor. I can assume you’re not in the business development field lol.
Seems like you understand exactly why the AAC is currently at 11 football playing members and will likely stay at that number for a long time. No candidate that would say “yes” to an invite adds any value to the conference or moves the AAC closer to its goal. There is zero reason for the AAC to just cross its fingers and “roll the dice” on some school with potential. That’s how CUSA ended up behind the Sunbelt in performance.
Nope. Better to continue on at 11 members and wait until either BYU/Army/AF is interested or wait until another candidate separates itself far enough from the scrum to no longer be a gamble.
(06-03-2020 08:42 AM)App10 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-02-2020 01:12 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote: [ -> ] (06-02-2020 01:00 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-02-2020 12:29 PM)App10 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-01-2020 06:22 PM)jedclampett Wrote: [ -> ]I admit, I was half-kidding when I wrote it, but only half-kidding. If App State were to join the conference, they might generate so much interest and income from attendance that they could build a larger stadium.
Heck, they might even put in a blue field. Scratch that - their school colors are black & gold.
With our renovation finishing up this fall we’ll have 30k. I’ll take us filling out our stadium most weeks than getting in a dick measuring contest and having half empty stadiums like many in this conference and across college football.
30k, selling out every week, would move you up from 9th place in the AAC to....*checks factual data*....9th place in the AAC.
And I'll bring up, yet again, that we sold out our 50k seat stadium when we were in a lesser conference too. Wouldn't change a thing as far as the move up, but 4-8 doesn't fill the stands.
My man, I’m from Greenville and grew up in Dowdy - we both know those “50k sellouts” only come with the P5’s come to town. That’s nothing to brag about lol.
50,345 Southern Miss
50,277 UCF
50,191 Navy
50,145 Marshall
50,023 UAB
50,010 Tulsa
49,410 Tulane (Come on Tulane!
)
(06-03-2020 11:01 AM)App10 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-03-2020 09:26 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-03-2020 08:40 AM)App10 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-02-2020 01:00 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-02-2020 12:29 PM)App10 Wrote: [ -> ]With our renovation finishing up this fall we’ll have 30k. I’ll take us filling out our stadium most weeks than getting in a dick measuring contest and having half empty stadiums like many in this conference and across college football.
30k, selling out every week, would move you up from 9th place in the AAC to....*checks factual data*....9th place in the AAC.
Again, we don’t care about your dick measuring contests. We care about a great gameday environment, which we have in spades.
Also, after checking out the AAC attendance numbers, LOL at you thinking this was some kinda own. Your whole conference averages in the 30’a and 20’s.
As I said 60 posts ago, "Attendance. 5-year average attendance,"
Here's one reference: https://collegefootballnews.com/2020/03/...m-analysis
ECU, Memphis, UCF, USF, Cincinnati, Navy, Houston, Temple ALL have five year averages ahead of your aspirational 30k.
The point isn't whether or not you are impressed by it.
The point is, that is why the conference continues to not be impressed by App State. Attendance is but one of many on- and off-field metrics that App would drag the AAC down when we are trying to achieve strategic goals in 5-6 years.
Wait, wait. You’re telling me schools who have been in FBS for 40+ years and are located in areas with hundred of thousands of people have a higher 5 year average attendance than the school who has been FBS for just 5 years? No way! Put App in the AAC tomorrow and we’re already ahead of several of your schools in attendance, and that number will only continue to grow.
The point is, you have no clue who the conference is impressed by lol, you’re a message board poster. And as to your “strategic goal”, buddy there is no school you can add, who wants to join, than can help you achieve whatever “strategic goal” you seem to think is there. Must i remind you of the monumental gap between P5 money and AAC money? Even if BYU wanted to join, not even they are making up that gap. Hell you can add BYU and Boise and that gap still ain’t closing. Sorry to break the news. If the AAC wants to expand it’s going to have to take a chance on a program that has a high ceiling and a stable floor. I can assume you’re not in the business development field lol.
Actually, he does lol. You see Americon conference has this thing called the P6. In the plan it includes metrics that the conference as a whole is committed to achieving, it even has intermediate goals they are trying to accomplish as they move towards their overall goal. The P6 you think of as propaganda is in reality a comprehensive strategy to ensure that the entire conference is in the best position possible for whatever the future FBS structure holds and to secure a position as an autonomous conference.
Those items he listed fall under one of two categories 1. Items the presidents of the schools in the conference have stated are priorities. The association of the university is important whether that is in educational organizations, social movements, or athletics. Part of the reason Wichita St was attracted to the AAC and the AAC felt Wichita was a homerun was their academic ambitions and intent. 2. The statistical or standards that are part of the p6 campaign, as he pointed out you don't meet many if any of those.
Considering the push the conference is making and the public remarks made by the commissioner it is unlikely that schools who do not meet both 1 and 2 will be considered much less accepted. Currently three schools for various reasons meet both 1 and 2 they are BYU, Army, Air Force and in that order.
Looking at the current make up of the conference and taking past years without UConn included as a baseline we improve a good deal with out UConn's involvement in football and while we lose prestige in men and particularly women's basketball, the actual effect of UConn men's departure on measurable metrics is minimal at worse and neutral at best. I would argue that South Florida's women's program cushions the loss of a dominate UConn program whose absence may result in other mildly successful programs improving in quality. The women's basketball is hurt the most, which at best is the fourth most important sport. Baseball is hurt, but the strength overall of the conference and in particular the add of what will hopefully be a resurging Wichita program will make it very similar to the loss of UConn basketball minimal or neutral.
App St could perhaps add something in football, but the improvement is incredibly small, the share of money is fairly big, and with out the sort of laid ground work that would likely allow you to compete (FBS budget, tradition, recruiting base & accomplishments) in the conference the risk you become the new UConn is high.
App St P6 application:
______ Approved
__X____ Denied
(06-03-2020 12:32 PM)Foreverandever Wrote: [ -> ] (06-03-2020 11:01 AM)App10 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-03-2020 09:26 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-03-2020 08:40 AM)App10 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-02-2020 01:00 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote: [ -> ]30k, selling out every week, would move you up from 9th place in the AAC to....*checks factual data*....9th place in the AAC.
Again, we don’t care about your dick measuring contests. We care about a great gameday environment, which we have in spades.
Also, after checking out the AAC attendance numbers, LOL at you thinking this was some kinda own. Your whole conference averages in the 30’a and 20’s.
As I said 60 posts ago, "Attendance. 5-year average attendance,"
Here's one reference: https://collegefootballnews.com/2020/03/...m-analysis
ECU, Memphis, UCF, USF, Cincinnati, Navy, Houston, Temple ALL have five year averages ahead of your aspirational 30k.
The point isn't whether or not you are impressed by it.
The point is, that is why the conference continues to not be impressed by App State. Attendance is but one of many on- and off-field metrics that App would drag the AAC down when we are trying to achieve strategic goals in 5-6 years.
Wait, wait. You’re telling me schools who have been in FBS for 40+ years and are located in areas with hundred of thousands of people have a higher 5 year average attendance than the school who has been FBS for just 5 years? No way! Put App in the AAC tomorrow and we’re already ahead of several of your schools in attendance, and that number will only continue to grow.
The point is, you have no clue who the conference is impressed by lol, you’re a message board poster. And as to your “strategic goal”, buddy there is no school you can add, who wants to join, than can help you achieve whatever “strategic goal” you seem to think is there. Must i remind you of the monumental gap between P5 money and AAC money? Even if BYU wanted to join, not even they are making up that gap. Hell you can add BYU and Boise and that gap still ain’t closing. Sorry to break the news. If the AAC wants to expand it’s going to have to take a chance on a program that has a high ceiling and a stable floor. I can assume you’re not in the business development field lol.
Actually, he does lol. You see Americon conference has this thing called the P6. In the plan it includes metrics that the conference as a whole is committed to achieving, it even has intermediate goals they are trying to accomplish as they move towards their overall goal. The P6 you think of as propaganda is in reality a comprehensive strategy to ensure that the entire conference is in the best position possible for whatever the future FBS structure holds and to secure a position as an autonomous conference.
Those items he listed fall under one of two categories 1. Items the presidents of the schools in the conference have stated are priorities. The association of the university is important whether that is in educational organizations, social movements, or athletics. Part of the reason Wichita St was attracted to the AAC and the AAC felt Wichita was a homerun was their academic ambitions and intent. 2. The statistical or standards that are part of the p6 campaign, as he pointed out you don't meet many if any of those.
Considering the push the conference is making and the public remarks made by the commissioner it is unlikely that schools who do not meet both 1 and 2 will be considered much less accepted. Currently three schools for various reasons meet both 1 and 2 they are BYU, Army, Air Force and in that order.
Looking at the current make up of the conference and taking past years without UConn included as a baseline we improve a good deal with out UConn's involvement in football and while we lose prestige in men and particularly women's basketball, the actual effect of UConn men's departure on measurable metrics is minimal at worse and neutral at best. I would argue that South Florida's women's program cushions the loss of a dominate UConn program whose absence may result in other mildly successful programs improving in quality. The women's basketball is hurt the most, which at best is the fourth most important sport. Baseball is hurt, but the strength overall of the conference and in particular the add of what will hopefully be a resurging Wichita program will make it very similar to the loss of UConn basketball minimal or neutral.
App St could perhaps add something in football, but the improvement is incredibly small, the share of money is fairly big, and with out the sort of laid ground work that would likely allow you to compete (FBS budget, tradition, recruiting base & accomplishments) in the conference the risk you become the new UConn is high.
App St P6 application:
______ Approved
__X____ Denied
Laughable your argument that South Florida's women's basketball cushions the blow of the departure of UConn. Please explain how South Florida would somehow improve the other programs in the conference, when the standard of excellence was right there from day one. A rising tide lifts all boats, and no tide rose higher than the UConn women's team.
(06-03-2020 04:44 PM)jwawker Wrote: [ -> ] (06-03-2020 12:32 PM)Foreverandever Wrote: [ -> ] (06-03-2020 11:01 AM)App10 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-03-2020 09:26 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-03-2020 08:40 AM)App10 Wrote: [ -> ]Again, we don’t care about your dick measuring contests. We care about a great gameday environment, which we have in spades.
Also, after checking out the AAC attendance numbers, LOL at you thinking this was some kinda own. Your whole conference averages in the 30’a and 20’s.
As I said 60 posts ago, "Attendance. 5-year average attendance,"
Here's one reference: https://collegefootballnews.com/2020/03/...m-analysis
ECU, Memphis, UCF, USF, Cincinnati, Navy, Houston, Temple ALL have five year averages ahead of your aspirational 30k.
The point isn't whether or not you are impressed by it.
The point is, that is why the conference continues to not be impressed by App State. Attendance is but one of many on- and off-field metrics that App would drag the AAC down when we are trying to achieve strategic goals in 5-6 years.
Wait, wait. You’re telling me schools who have been in FBS for 40+ years and are located in areas with hundred of thousands of people have a higher 5 year average attendance than the school who has been FBS for just 5 years? No way! Put App in the AAC tomorrow and we’re already ahead of several of your schools in attendance, and that number will only continue to grow.
The point is, you have no clue who the conference is impressed by lol, you’re a message board poster. And as to your “strategic goal”, buddy there is no school you can add, who wants to join, than can help you achieve whatever “strategic goal” you seem to think is there. Must i remind you of the monumental gap between P5 money and AAC money? Even if BYU wanted to join, not even they are making up that gap. Hell you can add BYU and Boise and that gap still ain’t closing. Sorry to break the news. If the AAC wants to expand it’s going to have to take a chance on a program that has a high ceiling and a stable floor. I can assume you’re not in the business development field lol.
Actually, he does lol. You see Americon conference has this thing called the P6. In the plan it includes metrics that the conference as a whole is committed to achieving, it even has intermediate goals they are trying to accomplish as they move towards their overall goal. The P6 you think of as propaganda is in reality a comprehensive strategy to ensure that the entire conference is in the best position possible for whatever the future FBS structure holds and to secure a position as an autonomous conference.
Those items he listed fall under one of two categories 1. Items the presidents of the schools in the conference have stated are priorities. The association of the university is important whether that is in educational organizations, social movements, or athletics. Part of the reason Wichita St was attracted to the AAC and the AAC felt Wichita was a homerun was their academic ambitions and intent. 2. The statistical or standards that are part of the p6 campaign, as he pointed out you don't meet many if any of those.
Considering the push the conference is making and the public remarks made by the commissioner it is unlikely that schools who do not meet both 1 and 2 will be considered much less accepted. Currently three schools for various reasons meet both 1 and 2 they are BYU, Army, Air Force and in that order.
Looking at the current make up of the conference and taking past years without UConn included as a baseline we improve a good deal with out UConn's involvement in football and while we lose prestige in men and particularly women's basketball, the actual effect of UConn men's departure on measurable metrics is minimal at worse and neutral at best. I would argue that South Florida's women's program cushions the loss of a dominate UConn program whose absence may result in other mildly successful programs improving in quality. The women's basketball is hurt the most, which at best is the fourth most important sport. Baseball is hurt, but the strength overall of the conference and in particular the add of what will hopefully be a resurging Wichita program will make it very similar to the loss of UConn basketball minimal or neutral.
App St could perhaps add something in football, but the improvement is incredibly small, the share of money is fairly big, and with out the sort of laid ground work that would likely allow you to compete (FBS budget, tradition, recruiting base & accomplishments) in the conference the risk you become the new UConn is high.
App St P6 application:
______ Approved
__X____ Denied
Laughable your argument that South Florida's women's basketball cushions the blow of the departure of UConn. Please explain how South Florida would somehow improve the other programs in the conference, when the standard of excellence was right there from day one. A rising tide lifts all boats, and no tide rose higher than the UConn women's team.
Silly me thinking that still having a top 25 program makes it easier when losing a top program. Or that it's easier to recruit players when they know it won't require running through the buzz saw to win a championship.
Having UConn in our conference was not beneficial to our other programs, it was a negative because it was so far ahead. The competition will be better and considering we were a one or two bid conference with them, I feel fairly confident we can get one or two bids every year. USF's injury trainwreck the last two years is hopefully over and UCF seems to have built up a solid program and Cincy looks like they are on track to be a a good team as well. That's three programs that should be able excel with the ceiling of UConn gone. Are those three national.title contenders? No probably not, but the league should be respectable and looking at a couple bids.
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