CSNbbs

When we get a real coach after this season y'all are in trouble. The two-time AAC champs will be back.

BTW, if we had a competent coach we would be 4-1 and tied for the league lead, but Jank is a tool and we are stuck with him for three more months. After ECU we will get exposed in our next five. And by exposed, I mean in coaching. Jank is a fraud and an average mid-major coach on a good day. Enjoy kicking us for one more season. It is about to change.

That said, Mike, Jolly and Hunt are all-conference level players, even though pesik thinks Mike is a decent bench player at best. He is a 15 & 7 guy every night and he shoots 44% from 3. Not bad for a bench role player.

you are on pace for a NIT team ..with no one graduating at all and a touted transfer sitting out...something your ad is aware about an ranted on to the media (about the unfairness of Mcniell not getting a waiver)

without having a home run in the back burner i have a hard time seeing him gone without a major collapse...

Echoing Pesik's very good point, Jank isn't getting fired unless SMU falls apart down the stretch.

(01-20-2020 11:37 AM)bearcatmark Wrote: [ -> ]Echoing Pesik's very good point, Jank isn't getting fired unless SMU falls apart down the stretch.

S***!!!!

(01-20-2020 12:19 AM)pesik Wrote: [ -> ]you are on pace for a NIT team ..with no one graduating at all and a touted transfer sitting out...something your ad is aware about an ranted on to the media (about the unfairness of Mcniell not getting a waiver)

without having a home run in the back burner i have a hard time seeing him gone without a major collapse...

So there is still a good chance?

SMU will keep him despite what will be a major collapse.
I’m so happy ECU got in to the AAC all sports with Rotten hoops

(01-19-2020 11:31 PM)Moody Magic Wrote: [ -> ].
BTW, if we had a competent coach we would be 4-1 and tied for the league lead, but Jank is a tool and we are stuck with him for three more months. After ECU we will get exposed in our next five. And by exposed, I mean in coaching. Jank is a fraud and an average mid-major coach on a good day. Enjoy kicking us for one more season. It is about to change.

Is the main cause of discontent due to the fact that SMU basketball struggled for the past 2-3 years, after they lost a core group of highly talented players, or is it something else?

From the perspective of an outsider, SMU seems to have surpassed expectations this season. This would suggest that the coach has started to turn things around.

Is the lack of success in the past few seasons the entire reason for the complaint about SMU's HC, or is there something more to it?



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Found these excerpts online:

Tim Jankovich lands on CBS Sports' hot seat list
ByBilly Embody Oct 21, 2019

SMU head coach Tim Jankovich is coming of back-to-back seasons where the Mustangs missed postseason play. Entering the 2019-20 season with a full roster and an infusion of talent, the pressure is on for the program to return to postseason play.

According to CBS Sports' Gary Parrish, if Jankovich doesn't deliver, that could mean the end of Jankovich's tenure on the Hilltop. He shared why on his preseason hot seat list around college basketball.

"SMU is a historically tough job. But a general rule in college coaching is that you need to be better than, or at least as good as, the person you replaced, and Tim Jankovich hasn't quite met that standard with the Mustangs..."

"But SMU has only averaged 16.0 wins over the past two seasons while finishing ninth in the AAC both times. And if the Mustangs finish in the bottom-half of the league once again, which is a likely scenario based on preseason predictions, SMU's administration could decide to pull the so-called plug."

I think its his lazy or lack of recruiting and not using social media seems to be big

(01-20-2020 07:56 PM)jedclampett Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-19-2020 11:31 PM)Moody Magic Wrote: [ -> ].
BTW, if we had a competent coach we would be 4-1 and tied for the league lead, but Jank is a tool and we are stuck with him for three more months. After ECU we will get exposed in our next five. And by exposed, I mean in coaching. Jank is a fraud and an average mid-major coach on a good day. Enjoy kicking us for one more season. It is about to change.

Is the main cause of discontent due to the fact that SMU basketball struggled for the past 2-3 years, after they lost a core group of highly talented players, or is it something else?

From the perspective of an outsider, SMU seems to have surpassed expectations this season. This would suggest that the coach has started to turn things around.

Is the lack of success in the past few seasons the entire reason for the complaint about SMU's HC, or is there something more to it?



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Found these excerpts online:

Tim Jankovich lands on CBS Sports' hot seat list
ByBilly Embody Oct 21, 2019

SMU head coach Tim Jankovich is coming of back-to-back seasons where the Mustangs missed postseason play. Entering the 2019-20 season with a full roster and an infusion of talent, the pressure is on for the program to return to postseason play.

According to CBS Sports' Gary Parrish, if Jankovich doesn't deliver, that could mean the end of Jankovich's tenure on the Hilltop. He shared why on his preseason hot seat list around college basketball.

"SMU is a historically tough job. But a general rule in college coaching is that you need to be better than, or at least as good as, the person you replaced, and Tim Jankovich hasn't quite met that standard with the Mustangs..."

"But SMU has only averaged 16.0 wins over the past two seasons while finishing ninth in the AAC both times. And if the Mustangs finish in the bottom-half of the league once again, which is a likely scenario based on preseason predictions, SMU's administration could decide to pull the so-called plug."

The list is long - He is the master of excuses. He schedules cupcakes in OOC to pad the win total. He doesn’t do anything to promote the program or engage the fan base. He is a poor recruiter. His offensive philosophy is to shoot threes, and if that isn’t working, shoot more threes.

For the most part his excuse making and poor scheduling has worked liked a charm. Most people see our record and think we’re doing pretty well but if you look we don’t have any quad 1 wins. Our best win of the year is Temple (#81 NET) and our best OOC win was Georgia St (#105 NET).

(01-20-2020 11:15 PM)Moody Magic Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-20-2020 07:56 PM)jedclampett Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-19-2020 11:31 PM)Moody Magic Wrote: [ -> ].
BTW, if we had a competent coach we would be 4-1 and tied for the league lead, but Jank is a tool and we are stuck with him for three more months. After ECU we will get exposed in our next five. And by exposed, I mean in coaching. Jank is a fraud and an average mid-major coach on a good day. Enjoy kicking us for one more season. It is about to change.

Is the main cause of discontent due to the fact that SMU basketball struggled for the past 2-3 years, after they lost a core group of highly talented players, or is it something else?

From the perspective of an outsider, SMU seems to have surpassed expectations this season. This would suggest that the coach has started to turn things around.

Is the lack of success in the past few seasons the entire reason for the complaint about SMU's HC, or is there something more to it?



.
Found these excerpts online:

Tim Jankovich lands on CBS Sports' hot seat list
ByBilly Embody Oct 21, 2019

SMU head coach Tim Jankovich is coming of back-to-back seasons where the Mustangs missed postseason play. Entering the 2019-20 season with a full roster and an infusion of talent, the pressure is on for the program to return to postseason play.

According to CBS Sports' Gary Parrish, if Jankovich doesn't deliver, that could mean the end of Jankovich's tenure on the Hilltop. He shared why on his preseason hot seat list around college basketball.

"SMU is a historically tough job. But a general rule in college coaching is that you need to be better than, or at least as good as, the person you replaced, and Tim Jankovich hasn't quite met that standard with the Mustangs..."

"But SMU has only averaged 16.0 wins over the past two seasons while finishing ninth in the AAC both times. And if the Mustangs finish in the bottom-half of the league once again, which is a likely scenario based on preseason predictions, SMU's administration could decide to pull the so-called plug."

The list is long - He is the master of excuses. He schedules cupcakes in OOC to pad the win total. He doesn’t do anything to promote the program or engage the fan base. He is a poor recruiter. His offensive philosophy is to shoot threes, and if that isn’t working, shoot more threes.

For the most part his excuse making and poor scheduling has worked liked a charm. Most people see our record and think we’re doing pretty well but if you look we don’t have any quad 1 wins. Our best win of the year is Temple (#81 NET) and our best OOC win was Georgia St (#105 NET).

On the bright side, you now have a Q2 win! ... UNLV sneaks in at 135 (lowest possible spot for Q2 road game)

I was surprised that SMU was a powerhouse in the mid-1950s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMU_Mustan...basketball

I don't think the guy is that bad. Yeah he's not Larry Brown cheating up a storm but gezzus he's not Mike Dement or Robodoh either. Let's keep a little perspective. He's had probation and he's keeping his nose clean too to get you past it.

When he has talent we know he can go 39-5 like he started at SMU and he contributed a lot to Brown's success with Nic Moore who he had at Illinois State and brought to SMU that was the eventual 2 time player of the year. That was a find and contribution to success and evidence he can find talent and he seems to have 5 good ones and a good transfer sitting out. Correct me if I'm wrong but I also don't think he had to cheat to get Nic Moore.

I still think you guys have one of the best starting 5's in the league. The bench is weak but at least unlike Dooley be happy the guy at least can identify your 2nd best player and the other decent 5 you have and ride them like a team with no depth should.

He had some solid teams Illinois State I think you guys need to chill some. He's easily got as good or better resume than much of this league. Has some good young talent and is still in the hunt and probably next year is your best year coming.

(01-21-2020 09:17 AM)StillJonesing Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think the guy is that bad. Yeah he's not Larry Brown cheating up a storm but gezzus he's not Mike Dement or Robodoh either. Let's keep a little perspective. He's had probation and he's keeping his nose clean too to get you past it.

When he has talent we know he can go 39-5 like he started at SMU and he contributed a lot to Brown's success with Nic Moore who he had at Illinois State and brought to SMU that was the eventual 2 time player of the year. That was a find and contribution to success and evidence he can find talent and he seems to have 5 good ones and a good transfer sitting out. Correct me if I'm wrong but I also don't think he had to cheat to get Nic Moore.

I still think you guys have one of the best starting 5's in the league. The bench is weak but at least unlike Dooley be happy the guy at least can identify your 2nd best player and the other decent 5 you have and ride them like a team with no depth should.

He had some solid teams Illinois State I think you guys need to chill some. He's easily got as good or better resume than much of this league. Has some good young talent and is still in the hunt and probably next year is your best year coming.

You don't know many SMU alums do you? Some of our students are among the most entitled people in the world. We are SMU, we should be out-recruiting KU, UNC, UK, UCLA, not to mention everyone in this crap league. We would be the blue bloods of the Big XII! Yes, we've only made the NCAA tournament three times in the last 3 decades plus two NIT appearances but the NIT is far beneath us. Heck we should be a perennial Sweet 16 team if not Final Four. No city in the universe comes close to the amazingness of Dallas. They named it America's team for a reason and believe me, the Cowboys aren't it. If you can't see it clear as day you are blind.

(01-20-2020 11:41 AM)Pony94 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-20-2020 11:37 AM)bearcatmark Wrote: [ -> ]Echoing Pesik's very good point, Jank isn't getting fired unless SMU falls apart down the stretch.

S***!!!!

Pesik has spoken, and been seconded by an elder. Your fate is sealed.

(01-21-2020 10:24 AM)Hurricane Drummer Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-20-2020 11:41 AM)Pony94 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-20-2020 11:37 AM)bearcatmark Wrote: [ -> ]Echoing Pesik's very good point, Jank isn't getting fired unless SMU falls apart down the stretch.

S***!!!!

Pesik has spoken, and been seconded by an elder. Your fate is sealed.

That's why I cursed. Coach P has issued his decree.

(01-21-2020 10:14 AM)mustangxc Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-21-2020 09:17 AM)StillJonesing Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think the guy is that bad. Yeah he's not Larry Brown cheating up a storm but gezzus he's not Mike Dement or Robodoh either. Let's keep a little perspective. He's had probation and he's keeping his nose clean too to get you past it.

When he has talent we know he can go 39-5 like he started at SMU and he contributed a lot to Brown's success with Nic Moore who he had at Illinois State and brought to SMU that was the eventual 2 time player of the year. That was a find and contribution to success and evidence he can find talent and he seems to have 5 good ones and a good transfer sitting out. Correct me if I'm wrong but I also don't think he had to cheat to get Nic Moore.

I still think you guys have one of the best starting 5's in the league. The bench is weak but at least unlike Dooley be happy the guy at least can identify your 2nd best player and the other decent 5 you have and ride them like a team with no depth should.

He had some solid teams Illinois State I think you guys need to chill some. He's easily got as good or better resume than much of this league. Has some good young talent and is still in the hunt and probably next year is your best year coming.

You don't know many SMU alums do you? Some of our students are among the most entitled people in the world. We are SMU, we should be out-recruiting KU, UNC, UK, UCLA, not to mention everyone in this crap league. We would be the blue bloods of the Big XII! Yes, we've only made the NCAA tournament three times in the last 3 decades plus two NIT appearances but the NIT is far beneath us. Heck we should be a perennial Sweet 16 team if not Final Four. No city in the universe comes close to the amazingness of Dallas. They named it America's team for a reason and believe me, the Cowboys aren't it. If you can't see it clear as day you are blind.

We'll I will say this, you guys do have a top 55 basketball budget and strong attendance after redoing your arena. You should have some decent expectations putting that kind of money into it to make some NITs and occasional NCAA. I think that's fair, but the guy has you sitting at 13-4 with a 71 NET ranking and a young team and some more help on the way. I think he makes the NIT and I don't really see the problem. He's probably right in line with where you would expect him to be after clearing some of the probation obstacles.

Being an ECU fan at this point I don't think expectations are bad. A couple of us that dare criticize the ridiculous rotations of Dooley or being a $hitastic #240 ranked team get shouted down. I'm not even crazy about what I expect as a fan but damn how about a top 175 team by year two when our resources and what we pay are more like top 125. You would think getting to that point wouldn't be to much to ask. At least you can see some hope, we've seen almost no improvement despite having the best player on the court most nights. Dooley is pretty terrible at maxing his talent, I do think Jank gets the most out of what he's got at least. He may not always win but he's at least not losing it for you playing scrubs instead of talented players.

(01-21-2020 10:43 AM)StillJonesing Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-21-2020 10:14 AM)mustangxc Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-21-2020 09:17 AM)StillJonesing Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think the guy is that bad. Yeah he's not Larry Brown cheating up a storm but gezzus he's not Mike Dement or Robodoh either. Let's keep a little perspective. He's had probation and he's keeping his nose clean too to get you past it.

When he has talent we know he can go 39-5 like he started at SMU and he contributed a lot to Brown's success with Nic Moore who he had at Illinois State and brought to SMU that was the eventual 2 time player of the year. That was a find and contribution to success and evidence he can find talent and he seems to have 5 good ones and a good transfer sitting out. Correct me if I'm wrong but I also don't think he had to cheat to get Nic Moore.

I still think you guys have one of the best starting 5's in the league. The bench is weak but at least unlike Dooley be happy the guy at least can identify your 2nd best player and the other decent 5 you have and ride them like a team with no depth should.

He had some solid teams Illinois State I think you guys need to chill some. He's easily got as good or better resume than much of this league. Has some good young talent and is still in the hunt and probably next year is your best year coming.

You don't know many SMU alums do you? Some of our students are among the most entitled people in the world. We are SMU, we should be out-recruiting KU, UNC, UK, UCLA, not to mention everyone in this crap league. We would be the blue bloods of the Big XII! Yes, we've only made the NCAA tournament three times in the last 3 decades plus two NIT appearances but the NIT is far beneath us. Heck we should be a perennial Sweet 16 team if not Final Four. No city in the universe comes close to the amazingness of Dallas. They named it America's team for a reason and believe me, the Cowboys aren't it. If you can't see it clear as day you are blind.

We'll I will say this, you guys do have a top 55 basketball budget and strong attendance after redoing your arena. You should have some decent expectations putting that kind of money into it to make some NITs and occasional NCAA. I think that's fair, but the guy has you sitting at 13-4 with a 71 NET ranking and a young team and some more help on the way. I think he makes the NIT and I don't really see the problem. He's probably right in line with where you would expect him to be after clearing some of the probation obstacles.

Being an ECU fan at this point I don't think expectations are bad. A couple of us that dare criticize the ridiculous rotations of Dooley or being a $hitastic #240 ranked team get shouted down. I'm not even crazy about what I expect as a fan but damn how about a top 175 team by year two when our resources and what we pay are more like top 125. You would think getting to that point wouldn't be to much to ask. At least you can see some hope, we've seen almost no improvement despite having the best player on the court most nights. Dooley is pretty terrible at maxing his talent, I do think Jank gets the most out of what he's got at least. He may not always win but he's at least not losing it for you playing scrubs instead of talented players.

The 13-4 is all smoke and mirrors though. They basically have zero Q1/Q2 wins. 14 of their games have been Q3/Q4

(01-21-2020 10:58 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-21-2020 10:43 AM)StillJonesing Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-21-2020 10:14 AM)mustangxc Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-21-2020 09:17 AM)StillJonesing Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think the guy is that bad. Yeah he's not Larry Brown cheating up a storm but gezzus he's not Mike Dement or Robodoh either. Let's keep a little perspective. He's had probation and he's keeping his nose clean too to get you past it.

When he has talent we know he can go 39-5 like he started at SMU and he contributed a lot to Brown's success with Nic Moore who he had at Illinois State and brought to SMU that was the eventual 2 time player of the year. That was a find and contribution to success and evidence he can find talent and he seems to have 5 good ones and a good transfer sitting out. Correct me if I'm wrong but I also don't think he had to cheat to get Nic Moore.

I still think you guys have one of the best starting 5's in the league. The bench is weak but at least unlike Dooley be happy the guy at least can identify your 2nd best player and the other decent 5 you have and ride them like a team with no depth should.

He had some solid teams Illinois State I think you guys need to chill some. He's easily got as good or better resume than much of this league. Has some good young talent and is still in the hunt and probably next year is your best year coming.

You don't know many SMU alums do you? Some of our students are among the most entitled people in the world. We are SMU, we should be out-recruiting KU, UNC, UK, UCLA, not to mention everyone in this crap league. We would be the blue bloods of the Big XII! Yes, we've only made the NCAA tournament three times in the last 3 decades plus two NIT appearances but the NIT is far beneath us. Heck we should be a perennial Sweet 16 team if not Final Four. No city in the universe comes close to the amazingness of Dallas. They named it America's team for a reason and believe me, the Cowboys aren't it. If you can't see it clear as day you are blind.

We'll I will say this, you guys do have a top 55 basketball budget and strong attendance after redoing your arena. You should have some decent expectations putting that kind of money into it to make some NITs and occasional NCAA. I think that's fair, but the guy has you sitting at 13-4 with a 71 NET ranking and a young team and some more help on the way. I think he makes the NIT and I don't really see the problem. He's probably right in line with where you would expect him to be after clearing some of the probation obstacles.

Being an ECU fan at this point I don't think expectations are bad. A couple of us that dare criticize the ridiculous rotations of Dooley or being a $hitastic #240 ranked team get shouted down. I'm not even crazy about what I expect as a fan but damn how about a top 175 team by year two when our resources and what we pay are more like top 125. You would think getting to that point wouldn't be to much to ask. At least you can see some hope, we've seen almost no improvement despite having the best player on the court most nights. Dooley is pretty terrible at maxing his talent, I do think Jank gets the most out of what he's got at least. He may not always win but he's at least not losing it for you playing scrubs instead of talented players.

The 13-4 is all smoke and mirrors though. They basically have zero Q1/Q2 wins. 14 of their games have been Q3/Q4

Well if they tank down the stretch and finish in the bottom 3rd of the league then obviously they should rethink things, but if they finish in the top half and end up as an NIT team I don't see how it would be reasonable to fire him.

(01-21-2020 10:58 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote: [ -> ]The 13-4 is all smoke and mirrors though. They basically have zero Q1/Q2 wins. 14 of their games have been Q3/Q4

They have a #71 NET ranking. I don't see the issue. 13-4 is 13-4, it's a good record with some winnable games of note that could even push them in to bubble contention. Why are their fans so down, gezz. The guy just got off probation and he didn't even suck really while dealing through it. SMU had a #98 NET Ranking last year and a #117 RPI the year prior. It's not like he has 5 seniors graduating either, he returns all his good players and has a good transfer coming in next year already. It looks like he's building towards something.

I'm someone that's been around long enough to know just how bad SMU was before Brown/Jank and probably how quickly it could fall back apart with the wrong hire.. If SMU fans are pissed off over this year they need their heads checked IMO. How quickly you forgot Robodoh or Dement.