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This is a mediocre team at best, there is enough fault to go around for everybody, from the top to the bottom. Hell we got a 4 star freshman not good enough to play, WTF. Losses to Bowling Green, Colgate and Tulane tell us all we need to know....

every fan needs a throw away year. recharges the batteries. why i remember when mick first came aboard. i'd be listening to the games and feeling pretty good about life if we could just beat rutgers

(01-05-2020 09:57 AM)bearcatmark Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-05-2020 09:40 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]Yep. This team is shooting about 53% on the season or all 2pt attempts (was about 46% last season) and stinks from 3 even compared to last year’s offensively limited squad yet we continue to chuck it up. And we just settle for those shots lots of possessions.

The numbers of turnovers continue to be a hot mess for this team, too.

We're in the bottom 3rd of the country in 3 point attempts per field goal attempt. Bottom line is you can't be a really good offense without taking and making some threes. We do the other stuff right (minus turnovers where we had shown progress before last night) but we're going to either make some threes or have a low ceiling as an offense.

On top of that, any team when we're playing on the road who does not completely pack it in and concede the perimeter shots has a coach who should be fired. The cycle will only get worse as it's going to make even harder to get points in the paint unless we start hitting some shots. Unless we start dropping some shots, this will likely get worse away from home. We're going to need a home team to really shoot poorly on their own floor to win a road game which doesn't happen a heck of a lot.

(01-05-2020 10:39 AM)Lush Wrote: [ -> ]every fan needs a throw away year. recharges the batteries. why i remember when mick first came aboard. i'd be listening to the games and feeling pretty good about life if we could just beat rutgers

As someone who has grown and mature as a person since our last coaching change, I whole heartedly agree. We've been spoiled in getting to the tournament. Mick did a great job rebuilding things here but he peaked and we were never going to do any better than a possible Sweet 16 appearance.

Makes you appreciate what other schools are doing on a consistent basis.

I’d prefer to be spoiled.

0-4 in quad 1 and 2 games. Need to start winning these or NIT is a long shot.

Mick had one sweet 16 in 13 years and we were spoiled? More like we were scammed.

I agree there is some blame to go around. The problem is Mick had 0 (zero) top 30 offenses in 13 years. He did not value putting the ball in the basket. It is showing with the players leftover. And Brannens style is not meshing. I do believe Brannen needs to do a better job of working with what he has.

Either way, Mick had 5 years to right the ship, I think Brannen deserves 2 or 3. Like I said with Fickell's first year, a new coach should get a year to figure some things out themselves. It is alot to expect them to have it all figured out immediately.

(01-05-2020 11:33 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]I’d prefer to be spoiled.

We were spoiled that NCAA tournament was a 'given' every year.

And then we'd get there and continually underperform and look pathetic. Even Huggs sucked in March.

(01-05-2020 11:49 AM)jarr Wrote: [ -> ]And Brannens style is not meshing. I do believe Brannen needs to do a better job of working with what he has.

The great thing about college coaches is that they get to pick who they want for their program. Brannen didn't even get a full recruiting season to pick who he wants. It's a style completely contradictory to what Mick did. You really think his style was going to complement the mess Mick left us?

Talk about what spoiled looks like come Selection Sunday.

(01-05-2020 12:07 PM)OldenburgCat Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-05-2020 11:49 AM)jarr Wrote: [ -> ]And Brannens style is not meshing. I do believe Brannen needs to do a better job of working with what he has.

The great thing about college coaches is that they get to pick who they want for their program. Brannen didn't even get a full recruiting season to pick who he wants. It's a style completely contradictory to what Mick did. You really think his style was going to complement the mess Mick left us?

No, not compliment it but sometimes coaches get too married to their "style" or "system". Make some adjustments for the personel you have, it doesn't have to be a 180. Either way, I'm not saying its easy, but he could still do a better job. Him being the new guy, probably gets a chance to work out his own kinks.

(01-05-2020 12:09 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]Talk about what spoiled looks like come Selection Sunday.

Seriously though, does anyone care? We still had no national image under Cronin. In the 2000s decade, Winthrop made 9 NCAA tourneys in 10 years and even advanced on one occasion. Does anyone even know this, I know it because I am a College Basketball nerd, but no one else does outside of Winthrop fans. We couldn't recruit and lost the interest of regional fans. Let's wait and see if Brannen works out, if not on to the next one.

You’ll probably care this Selection Sunday. I certainly will if things improve to where I should watch.

the worst that could happen is you forgot all about alma mater and live to forget about some other passion

I can't believe people are claiming that this is a talent issue.

(01-05-2020 01:10 PM)levydl Wrote: [ -> ]I can't believe people are claiming that this is a talent issue.

I mean, it partly is. As a team they're shooting 30% from three. That's really bad and the bottom line is they have very few shooters. UC fans always lament UC's 3 point shooting and its never been great, but last years' team shot 34.5% while shooting them at roughly the same rate.

A big part is that for whatever reason Jarron has ranged from liability to just another dude on the floor this season. Jarron shot 39% from 3 last year and is shooting 28% this year. He's not the same guy. This team with Jarron playing like a star and this team with Jarron playing like he's played are two remarkably different things.

What sucks is the defense had really seemed to come on the prior few games, but last night one big guy for them got really hot and Tulane shot a ton of free throws. Suddenly the defensive numbers look really bad and you get beat. Hopefully its an aberration and the progress they seemed to have been making is evident the next few games.

There has been some bad luck as well, UC ranks 337th / 353 in Free Throw Percentage Defense. Teams keep shooting crazy well from the line against them (Tulane was 24-27 last night).

learning about the plane problems this morning does make me wonder if that could have had an impact on the energy and intensity...maybe...
but the trend of playing poorly on the road is consistent.
guess we will see what happens in the next road game.

(01-05-2020 01:35 PM)bearcatmark Wrote: [ -> ]A big part is that for whatever reason Jarron has ranged from liability to just another dude on the floor this season. Jarron shot 39% from 3 last year and is shooting 28% this year. He's not the same guy. This team with Jarron playing like a star and this team with Jarron playing like he's played are two remarkably different things.

Where we're "spoiled" is seeing key guys develop and get better so by the time their Senior year comes 'round they are playing at a high level. I can't think off the top of my head when we've had a star player regress like Jarron has. Here are his numbers between last year and this year...

FG%
37 2020
40 2019

3P%
28 2020
39 2019

FT%
68 2020
77 2019

REB/G
3 2020
4 2019

PTS/G
13 2020
19 2019

(01-05-2020 11:49 AM)jarr Wrote: [ -> ]Mick had one sweet 16 in 13 years and we were spoiled? More like we were scammed.

I agree there is some blame to go around. The problem is Mick had 0 (zero) top 30 offenses in 13 years. He did not value putting the ball in the basket. It is showing with the players leftover. And Brannens style is not meshing. I do believe Brannen needs to do a better job of working with what he has.

Either way, Mick had 5 years to right the ship, I think Brannen deserves 2 or 3. Like I said with Fickell's first year, a new coach should get a year to figure some things out themselves. It is alot to expect them to have it all figured out immediately.

This, all of it. The old way didn't work. The new way might not, either, but it's interesting to watch the new approach. It's been one of the more eventful seasons of UC basketball in the past decade.

(01-05-2020 01:35 PM)bearcatmark Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-05-2020 01:10 PM)levydl Wrote: [ -> ]I can't believe people are claiming that this is a talent issue.

I mean, it partly is. As a team they're shooting 30% from three. That's really bad and the bottom line is they have very few shooters. UC fans always lament UC's 3 point shooting and its never been great, but last years' team shot 34.5% while shooting them at roughly the same rate.

A big part is that for whatever reason Jarron has ranged from liability to just another dude on the floor this season. Jarron shot 39% from 3 last year and is shooting 28% this year. He's not the same guy. This team with Jarron playing like a star and this team with Jarron playing like he's played are two remarkably different things.

What sucks is the defense had really seemed to come on the prior few games, but last night one big guy for them got really hot and Tulane shot a ton of free throws. Suddenly the defensive numbers look really bad and you get beat. Hopefully its an aberration and the progress they seemed to have been making is evident the next few games.

There has been some bad luck as well, UC ranks 337th / 353 in Free Throw Percentage Defense. Teams keep shooting crazy well from the line against them (Tulane was 24-27 last night).

Hey guys....they moved the 3 point line out further. 3 percentage is down throughout the country. And the shot clock was shortened on offensive rebounds which forces faster offense...and more turnovers. Brannen needs to adapt "his system" to his current players and these new rules.

I have a very informed friend that believes the two new rules were pushed by the blue bloods to gain a further advantage against the mid-majors and even the lesser P6 schools. The game looks more NBA-like now. And those with superior talent will excel now even more than those with lockdown college defense.