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WBB open MAC play Ohio...one of the better if not best teams in the league. Good luck WBB today and the rest of the season.

Ohio 25 NIU 17 after 1st period. 11 turnovers for the Huskies.

50-28 Ohio at the half.

Game over. MBB at Buffalo starts in about 10 mins.

Just a note: what the hell does this team do in practice? No basics ... lot of turnovers, bad passing, sloppy setting up, sloppy ball control, no half-court offense, no point guard ... the only thing they do well is rebound. But glad to see Janae Poisson getting some minutes.

Here comes the "shots not falling" post-game comment.

I'm outa here. Just ate.

Ohio 68 NIU 44 after 3 quarters.

A huge step back this year.
Where does the program go from here?

Final Ohio 87 NIU 67.

(01-04-2020 02:47 PM)HOF 08 Wrote: [ -> ]Final Ohio 87 NIU 67.

At Miami Wednesday night so it’s not gonna get a whole lot easier.

I hate to sound so negative about one of my favorite sports. Something is not quite right, but it's not overtly evident.

Here's what I mean: Where was Grace Hunter? Paulina Castro? 28 turnovers! Had 16 vs South Dakota, 20 vs Drake and 18 vs SIU. Davis played 8 minutes; is she still hurting? Points off turnovers: us 15, them 33. Points in the paint: us 18, them 34. And shooting under 70% freethrows.

NOBODY should shoot less than 80-85% freethrows; it's the only uncontested shot in the game; four elements -- you, the ball, the line and the basket -- and the line and the basket don't move.

Scoring: one game Koker has 17 points (actually 2 times). Woods has 26. Hunter has 19. Starks has 13. Every other team seems to have at least two players always in double figures.

I'm beginning think 62423dp was right on about the impact of Coach McGinty leaving.

One final point: Carlsen brought in the same injury consultant used at CMU to reduce torn ACLs, etc. I wonder if Northern playing so stiff is due to that ... learning new ways to move, knee support muscle exercises, etc. Are they in the midst of a transition with this, or trying to add/develop a half-court offense?

As I said at the top, something going on. This team has way too much talent ... shows in flashes but not consistently. If so, Northern is running out of season real fast to get it together.

NOBODY should shoot less than 80-85% freethrows; it's the only uncontested shot in the game; four elements -- you, the ball, the line and the basket -- and the line and the basket don't move.

Mens BB Huskies do

(01-04-2020 08:02 PM)pvk75 Wrote: [ -> ]I hate to sound so negative about one of my favorite sports. Something is not quite right, but it's not overtly evident.

Here's what I mean: Where was Grace Hunter? Paulina Castro? 28 turnovers! Had 16 vs South Dakota, 20 vs Drake and 18 vs SIU. Davis played 8 minutes; is she still hurting? Points off turnovers: us 15, them 33. Points in the paint: us 18, them 34. And shooting under 70% freethrows.

NOBODY should shoot less than 80-85% freethrows; it's the only uncontested shot in the game; four elements -- you, the ball, the line and the basket -- and the line and the basket don't move.

Scoring: one game Koker has 17 points (actually 2 times). Woods has 26. Hunter has 19. Starks has 13. Every other team seems to have at least two players always in double figures.

I'm beginning think 62423dp was right on about the impact of Coach McGinty leaving.

One final point: Carlsen brought in the same injury consultant used at CMU to reduce torn ACLs, etc. I wonder if Northern playing so stiff is due to that ... learning new ways to move, knee support muscle exercises, etc. Are they in the midst of a transition with this, or trying to add/develop a half-court offense?

As I said at the top, something going on. This team has way too much talent ... shows in flashes but not consistently. If so, Northern is running out of season real fast to get it together.

She relies way to much on Tandez with McGinty gone and that’s not a good thing.

Castro while a great story doesn’t have a skill set at the DI level. She can knock down the open jumper but that’s about it.

They made their bed with their pg’s and they are below average. They aren’t able to penetrate and finish against contact. They thought Gabby was going to be a difference maker but she’s not mentally tough enough.

That’s the biggest difference. When they had Lehman they had someone who was a mental monster and made everyone better around her. This program is soft and it has been for a couple years. Zero toughness physically. They get pushed around.

Again when will someone ask Carlsen the difficult questions? She gets a pass? Why? Won’t happen because you have Deborah B who is responsible for Wbb and keeps everything hush hush.

It’s trending downward and it won’t change until there is someone taken to task.

(I know who you mean) better take a good look around the Convo next home WBB game and see all the gray hairs. I personally know about a half dozen who said it's not worth it any more. When a program reaches that point -- people know there is talent, but it's not being coached or developed -- they decide it's not worth the time, effort and expense. Even if they're retired and have the time and can afford it. That's money walking out the door.

Anyway, it seems NIU's athletic administration is not geared toward anyone without big bucks to spend. They don't get it. Would you rather have 10 fans contributing $10,000 each, or 1,000 fans contributing $100 each? The first provides bulk cash; the second provides the same amount but also the atmosphere in the Convo.

And they do next to nothing to attract students -- who have little to do on weekday nights in winter -- even though they provide 1/3 of the athletic budget. I know many students are lethargic and have other interests, but this ADept. doesn't even try. It's embarrassing when I read road game box scores and see WBB drawing 1,000-2,000-3,000.

If nothing else, they should remember that winning is everything.

[quote='pvk75' pid='16589713' dateline='1578186123']
I hate to sound so negative about one of my favorite sports. Something is not quite right, but it's not overtly evident.

Here's what I mean: Where was Grace Hunter? Paulina Castro? 28 turnovers! Had 16 vs South Dakota, 20 vs Drake and 18 vs SIU. Davis played 8 minutes; is she still hurting? Points off turnovers: us 15, them 33. Points in the paint: us 18, them 34. And shooting under 70% freethrows.

NOBODY should shoot less than 80-85% freethrows; it's the only uncontested shot in the game; four elements -- you, the ball, the line and the basket -- and the line and the basket don't move.

Scoring: one game Koker has 17 points (actually 2 times). Woods has 26. Hunter has 19. Starks has 13. Every other team seems to have at least two players always in double figures.

I'm beginning think 62423dp was right on about the impact of Coach McGinty leaving.

One final point: Carlsen brought in the same injury consultant used at CMU to reduce torn ACLs, etc. I wonder if Northern playing so stiff is due to that ... learning new ways to move, knee support muscle exercises, etc. Are they in the midst of a transition with this, or trying to add/develop a half-court offense?

As I said at the top, something going on. This team has way too much talent ... shows in flashes but not consistently. If so, Northern is running out of season real fast to get it together.
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I agree except for the talent aspect. IMO they have minimal talent to compete in this conference. Perimeter shot makers maybe. Drive and shoot? Nope. Back to the basket? Nope. Transition? They hoped so and another nope. Defensively they are pathetic with zero toughness.

Hard to win when you can’t shoot, pass or defend.

(01-05-2020 12:05 AM)pvk75 Wrote: [ -> ](I know who you mean) better take a good look around the Convo next home WBB game and see all the gray hairs. I personally know about a half dozen who said it's not worth it any more. When a program reaches that point -- people know there is talent, but it's not being coached or developed -- they decide it's not worth the time, effort and expense. Even if they're retired and have the time and can afford it. That's money walking out the door.

Anyway, it seems NIU's athletic administration is not geared toward anyone without big bucks to spend. They don't get it. Would you rather have 10 fans contributing $10,000 each, or 1,000 fans contributing $100 each? The first provides bulk cash; the second provides the same amount but also the atmosphere in the Convo.

And they do next to nothing to attract students -- who have little to do on weekday nights in winter -- even though they provide 1/3 of the athletic budget. I know many students are lethargic and have other interests, but this ADept. doesn't even try. It's embarrassing when I read road game box scores and see WBB drawing 1,000-2,000-3,000.

If nothing else, they should remember that winning is everything.

Good post, and 100% correct.

For years, I have said this administration caters to the mega donors and that it will come back to bite them.

(01-05-2020 09:48 AM)Dog Fan Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-05-2020 12:05 AM)pvk75 Wrote: [ -> ](I know who you mean) better take a good look around the Convo next home WBB game and see all the gray hairs. I personally know about a half dozen who said it's not worth it any more. When a program reaches that point -- people know there is talent, but it's not being coached or developed -- they decide it's not worth the time, effort and expense. Even if they're retired and have the time and can afford it. That's money walking out the door.

Anyway, it seems NIU's athletic administration is not geared toward anyone without big bucks to spend. They don't get it. Would you rather have 10 fans contributing $10,000 each, or 1,000 fans contributing $100 each? The first provides bulk cash; the second provides the same amount but also the atmosphere in the Convo.

And they do next to nothing to attract students -- who have little to do on weekday nights in winter -- even though they provide 1/3 of the athletic budget. I know many students are lethargic and have other interests, but this ADept. doesn't even try. It's embarrassing when I read road game box scores and see WBB drawing 1,000-2,000-3,000.

If nothing else, they should remember that winning is everything.

Good post, and 100% correct.

For years, I have said this administration caters to the mega donors and that it will come back to bite them.

100%. Spot on.
Mega donor=mega church LOL. It’s amazing how inept this admin is and what little they’ve accomplished. Just cashing those checks and not giving a damn about fans.

(01-05-2020 12:07 PM)62423dp Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-05-2020 09:48 AM)Dog Fan Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-05-2020 12:05 AM)pvk75 Wrote: [ -> ](I know who you mean) better take a good look around the Convo next home WBB game and see all the gray hairs. I personally know about a half dozen who said it's not worth it any more. When a program reaches that point -- people know there is talent, but it's not being coached or developed -- they decide it's not worth the time, effort and expense. Even if they're retired and have the time and can afford it. That's money walking out the door.

Anyway, it seems NIU's athletic administration is not geared toward anyone without big bucks to spend. They don't get it. Would you rather have 10 fans contributing $10,000 each, or 1,000 fans contributing $100 each? The first provides bulk cash; the second provides the same amount but also the atmosphere in the Convo.

And they do next to nothing to attract students -- who have little to do on weekday nights in winter -- even though they provide 1/3 of the athletic budget. I know many students are lethargic and have other interests, but this ADept. doesn't even try. It's embarrassing when I read road game box scores and see WBB drawing 1,000-2,000-3,000.

If nothing else, they should remember that winning is everything.

Good post, and 100% correct.

For years, I have said this administration caters to the mega donors and that it will come back to bite them.

100%. Spot on.
Mega donor=mega church LOL. It’s amazing how inept this admin is and what little they’ve accomplished. Just cashing those checks and not giving a damn about fans.

All true, and it was not this bad under previous ADs.

I still maintain that Carlson can right the ship. For years the focus has been on setting records and not winning. PG should be the priority for this team- to much dribbling away from the basket and not willing to make that extra pass when driving. Second, way to many turnovers. Finally, attitude. I do not disagree that they play hard but someone needs to light a fire that losing is not ok. If shots aren't falling then better play defense and rebound or make the extra pass. Ally M and Abby W are capable bigs but very limited touches on offense of the games I have seen. Defensively, Riley seems to be the only one consistently playing help side defense.

(01-05-2020 07:32 PM)Hoosierhuskie Wrote: [ -> ]I still maintain that Carlson can right the ship. For years the focus has been on setting records and not winning. PG should be the priority for this team- to much dribbling away from the basket and not willing to make that extra pass when driving. Second, way to many turnovers. Finally, attitude. I do not disagree that they play hard but someone needs to light a fire that losing is not ok. If shots aren't falling then better play defense and rebound or make the extra pass. Ally M and Abby W are capable bigs but very limited touches on offense of the games I have seen. Defensively, Riley seems to be the only one consistently playing help side defense.

Respectfully disagree on both post players. Neither have been consistent enough to provide any stability at the 4 or 5.
Applaud Blackwell’s effort but that’s it. Again zero consistency.

Until you get consistent play from multiple players NIU will continue this trend.

Playing hard is an expectation of any athlete.

62423dp it is hard to evaluate either Ally or Abby with so few touches on offense but when they do get the ever elusive touch it is a high percentage shot with positive results. If NIU drives it in and dishes to the 4 or 5 or kicks it out to Woods or Koker the result is open looks for all.

Disagree on Blackwell, likewise not many touches but does the little things to make those around her better. She is the most consistent on defense, rebounding, and assists on the team. She should probably be a little more selfish with the ball on offense. She reminds me a lot of Jenna Tharpe (sp).

Hunter has a world of potential not sure why she didn't play against Ohio.

Not much energy (vocal) from the bench- either supporting players on the floor or stepping in when called upon to play.

IMO, point guard is the root of the problem along with the adverse A/TO ratio.

(01-05-2020 08:59 PM)Hoosierhuskie Wrote: [ -> ]62423dp it is hard to evaluate either Ally or Abby with so few touches on offense but when they do get the ever elusive touch it is a high percentage shot with positive results. If NIU drives it in and dishes to the 4 or 5 or kicks it out to Woods or Koker the result is open looks for all.

Disagree on Blackwell, likewise not many touches but does the little things to make those around her better. She is the most consistent on defense, rebounding, and assists on the team. She should probably be a little more selfish with the ball on offense. She reminds me a lot of Jenna Tharpe (sp).

Hunter has a world of potential not sure why she didn't play against Ohio.

Not much energy (vocal) from the bench- either supporting players on the floor or stepping in when called upon to play.

IMO, point guard is the root of the problem along with the adverse A/TO ratio.

Both post players have played for past 3-4 years. Plenty of touches to evaluate them.

And there’s a reason why Blackwell doesn’t get touches. Inconsistent offense. Her best use would be as a “point forward” which is what McGinty was doing. She’s got length on defense and they should use that.

This team seems to have zero motivation and as mentioned toughness. Officially called out by nobody.