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(12-22-2019 09:27 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-22-2019 04:46 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-20-2019 09:15 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]I would be fine if we found a great coach. I think we have a solid, too 100 program. I think Jones is not the best coach but a really good one for our level. We have a better shot at hiring a worse coach than a better coach than him if we were hiring. If that means leas than optimal offense and good defense/slow tempo....so be it.

We have one of the best coaches/programs in the conference.....maybe the best. Sometimes you fall in love with the “backup QB”.

Sonny Allen
Paul Webb
Tom Young
Oliver Pernell
Jeff Capel
Blaine Taylor

Judging by ODU's head coaches over the past 50 years I would say that the odds are in their favor that they would hire a better coach. The ones in bold above were surely better, and Jeff Capel may have been as well. Collectively these coaches covered pretty much every kind of tempo you could imagine playing today.

The first two are from a completely different era.

Jeff Capel has nowhere near the results at ODU as Jones.


Sonny Allen won a national championship while coaching ODU basketball. More than one of the players he recruited at ODU now have their jerseys retired.. Some of ODU's best players ever played for Sonny Allen.

Paul Webb took ODU into Division 1 and was conference mates with the likes of Georgetown, Syracuse, VCU, WKU, UAB, and JMU (when they were REALLY good) during his time at ODU. Several of his teams competed in the Sun Belt - a conference that ROUTINELY got multiple bids even when the NCAA Tournament was limited to 48 teams. UAB advanced to the Elite 8 in '82, VCU received its lowest seed ever (#2 in the West) in '85, in '86 (4 teams - Jacksonville, ODU, UAB, and WKU) all made the NCAA Tournament from the Sun Belt. Yes, I totally agree that it was a VERY different era than what we are witnessing today for ODU. It was a much higher level of talent on the court for ODU as well as for the conference opponents.
(12-23-2019 12:39 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-22-2019 09:27 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-22-2019 04:46 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-20-2019 09:15 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]I would be fine if we found a great coach. I think we have a solid, too 100 program. I think Jones is not the best coach but a really good one for our level. We have a better shot at hiring a worse coach than a better coach than him if we were hiring. If that means leas than optimal offense and good defense/slow tempo....so be it.

We have one of the best coaches/programs in the conference.....maybe the best. Sometimes you fall in love with the “backup QB”.

Sonny Allen
Paul Webb
Tom Young
Oliver Pernell
Jeff Capel
Blaine Taylor

Judging by ODU's head coaches over the past 50 years I would say that the odds are in their favor that they would hire a better coach. The ones in bold above were surely better, and Jeff Capel may have been as well. Collectively these coaches covered pretty much every kind of tempo you could imagine playing today.

The first two are from a completely different era.

Jeff Capel has nowhere near the results at ODU as Jones.


Sonny Allen won a national championship while coaching ODU basketball. More than one of the players he recruited at ODU now have their jerseys retired. Ronnie Valentine's would be retired as well if he had fulfilled all the school's requirements for inclusion. Some of ODU's best players ever played for Sonny Allen.

Paul Webb took ODU into Division 1 and was conference mates with the likes of Georgetown, Syracuse, VCU, WKU, UAB, and JMU (when they were REALLY good) during his time at ODU. Several of his teams competed in the Sun Belt - a conference that ROUTINELY got multiple bids even when the NCAA Tournament was limited to 48 teams. UAB advanced to the Elite 8 in '82, VCU received its lowest seed ever (#2 in the West) in '85, in '86 (4 teams - Jacksonville, ODU, UAB, and WKU) all made the NCAA Tournament from the Sun Belt. Yes, I totally agree that it was a VERY different era than what we are witnessing today for ODU. It was a much higher level of talent on the court for ODU as well as for the conference opponents.

This is all true. One thing not mentioned is there wasn’t AAU ball back then. With AAU and their coaches and all the “advisors “ that come with that, “my guess” is that most of the great players we got back then would never be Monarchs now a days. I can hear it now, “ don’t go there bro you will never be on TV”. Whole different fragile little word for these kids. Can’t have a coach parked out front of your house like you used to in the old days. This ain’t the 70’s 80’s or 90’s.
That’s one thing I did love about the early to mid Blaine. He kinda figured this stuff out in regards to the star kids and all their advisors . He simply got tired of all that BS and starting looking for kids that had good talent, maybe not great and took these under recruited players and through red shirting and just hard work turned them into really good players by the end of their careers. Hassell and Bazemore come to mind. But I’m not even sure if that’s possible now since I keep hearing that players now don’t want to redshirt no matter what the circumstances.

Glad I’m just a fan!

Anyway should be interesting on the recruiting front now with two slots more open.
Also recruiting rules have changed a ton. When Paul Webb was recruiting Kenny Gattison he stopped by their house all the time, weekly. Kenny said his mom got to where she always set a dinner place for him. If it wasn’t for the relationship developed over that regular contact he would not have come here. You cannot get that much face to face any more.
There's always going to be excuses. ODU doesn't need 4 - 5 star kids to be successful. There's still a lot of talent out there.
(12-23-2019 07:08 AM)mac Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-23-2019 12:39 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-22-2019 09:27 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-22-2019 04:46 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-20-2019 09:15 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]I would be fine if we found a great coach. I think we have a solid, too 100 program. I think Jones is not the best coach but a really good one for our level. We have a better shot at hiring a worse coach than a better coach than him if we were hiring. If that means leas than optimal offense and good defense/slow tempo....so be it.

We have one of the best coaches/programs in the conference.....maybe the best. Sometimes you fall in love with the “backup QB”.

Sonny Allen
Paul Webb
Tom Young
Oliver Pernell
Jeff Capel
Blaine Taylor

Judging by ODU's head coaches over the past 50 years I would say that the odds are in their favor that they would hire a better coach. The ones in bold above were surely better, and Jeff Capel may have been as well. Collectively these coaches covered pretty much every kind of tempo you could imagine playing today.

The first two are from a completely different era.

Jeff Capel has nowhere near the results at ODU as Jones.


Sonny Allen won a national championship while coaching ODU basketball. More than one of the players he recruited at ODU now have their jerseys retired. Ronnie Valentine's would be retired as well if he had fulfilled all the school's requirements for inclusion. Some of ODU's best players ever played for Sonny Allen.

Paul Webb took ODU into Division 1 and was conference mates with the likes of Georgetown, Syracuse, VCU, WKU, UAB, and JMU (when they were REALLY good) during his time at ODU. Several of his teams competed in the Sun Belt - a conference that ROUTINELY got multiple bids even when the NCAA Tournament was limited to 48 teams. UAB advanced to the Elite 8 in '82, VCU received its lowest seed ever (#2 in the West) in '85, in '86 (4 teams - Jacksonville, ODU, UAB, and WKU) all made the NCAA Tournament from the Sun Belt. Yes, I totally agree that it was a VERY different era than what we are witnessing today for ODU. It was a much higher level of talent on the court for ODU as well as for the conference opponents.

This is all true. One thing not mentioned is there wasn’t AAU ball back then. With AAU and their coaches and all the “advisors “ that come with that, “my guess” is that most of the great players we got back then would never be Monarchs now a days. I can hear it now, “ don’t go there bro you will never be on TV”. Whole different fragile little word for these kids. Can’t have a coach parked out front of your house like you used to in the old days. This ain’t the 70’s 80’s or 90’s.
That’s one thing I did love about the early to mid Blaine. He kinda figured this stuff out in regards to the star kids and all their advisors . He simply got tired of all that BS and starting looking for kids that had good talent, maybe not great and took these under recruited players and through red shirting and just hard work turned them into really good players by the end of their careers. Hassell and Bazemore come to mind. But I’m not even sure if that’s possible now since I keep hearing that players now don’t want to redshirt no matter what the circumstances.

Glad I’m just a fan!

Anyway should be interesting on the recruiting front now with two slots more open.

The times are completely different and they cannot even be compared. There is a clear echelon of major to mid major to low major programs nowadays.
What some have stated on here today about AAU ball and how the rules of recruiting have changed are very true. I would add however that everyone was recruiting under those same rules as well. If other schools wanted to go after different players or not spend as much time on the recruiting trail, that is on them.
(12-23-2019 10:44 AM)odufansam Wrote: [ -> ]There's always going to be excuses. ODU doesn't need 4 - 5 star kids to be successful. There's still a lot of talent out there.

There are no excuses. ODU has the structure to compete within CUSA for a tourney bid (which they've done).

Outside of the first year from Jones and this year, we have competed strongly within the conference for the chance to get to the NCAA tourney. There has only been 2 years were we were not a strong contender to go the dance. When based on the conference you are in forces your entire season to depend on a 3 game stretch, you are at the mercy of small sample size fluctuations.

This season has been a disappointing rebuilding year. We can go in striving to compete for national titles. Unfortunately, it's not going to happen. I can certainly want to strive to be a top 50 program every year, we probably don't have the resources for that.
(12-23-2019 11:08 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-23-2019 10:44 AM)odufansam Wrote: [ -> ]There's always going to be excuses. ODU doesn't need 4 - 5 star kids to be successful. There's still a lot of talent out there.

There are no excuses. ODU has the structure to compete within CUSA for a tourney bid (which they've done).

Outside of the first year from Jones and this year, we have competed strongly within the conference for the chance to get to the NCAA tourney. There has only been 2 years were we were not a strong contender to go the dance. When based on the conference you are in forces your entire season to depend on a 3 game stretch, you are at the mercy of small sample size fluctuations.

This season has been a disappointing rebuilding year. We can go in striving to compete for national titles. Unfortunately, it's not going to happen. I can certainly want to strive to be a top 50 program every year, we probably don't have the resources for that.

You might as well have just been describing ODU if they were in the MEAC. ODU has done better in the past than wish for a good 3 days in March every season so they can maybe get a 14 seed in the NCAA Tournament.
(12-23-2019 11:08 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-23-2019 10:44 AM)odufansam Wrote: [ -> ]There's always going to be excuses. ODU doesn't need 4 - 5 star kids to be successful. There's still a lot of talent out there.

There are no excuses. ODU has the structure to compete within CUSA for a tourney bid (which they've done).

Outside of the first year from Jones and this year, we have competed strongly within the conference for the chance to get to the NCAA tourney. There has only been 2 years were we were not a strong contender to go the dance. When based on the conference you are in forces your entire season to depend on a 3 game stretch, you are at the mercy of small sample size fluctuations.

This season has been a disappointing rebuilding year. We can go in striving to compete for national titles. Unfortunately, it's not going to happen. I can certainly want to strive to be a top 50 program every year, we probably don't have the resources for that.

My counter argument would be last year was the first year Jeff Jones was able to beat Middle Tennessee. It was also his first time in the CUSA championship game without Trey Freeman. Were we ever serious contenders when there's a team in the conference he couldn't beat? Last year we benefited from a weaker conference. MT fell off a cliff.
As per the transfers, its tough to gauge with only a cream puff game, but it's very possible this team can improve.

I also follow Georgetown and they lost 4 players to mid season transfers, including their 2 best players (and last years Big East freshman of the year). What is remarkably similar between the comments from both players and coaches on both teams is that they are both essentially saying that the ball is shared more now and the team has better camaraderie.

“The whole mood of the team, the players and coaches included, is extremely positive,” coach Jeff Jones said.

Said Carver: “There’s more camaraderie now. We all know that we’re all we’ve got.”


“I think the last three games is the team they are,” Boeheim said of the Hoyas. “They got rid of a guy [Akinjo] who wouldn’t pass the ball to anybody and just shot it every time. That’s why they’re good.
(12-23-2019 11:16 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-23-2019 11:08 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-23-2019 10:44 AM)odufansam Wrote: [ -> ]There's always going to be excuses. ODU doesn't need 4 - 5 star kids to be successful. There's still a lot of talent out there.

There are no excuses. ODU has the structure to compete within CUSA for a tourney bid (which they've done).

Outside of the first year from Jones and this year, we have competed strongly within the conference for the chance to get to the NCAA tourney. There has only been 2 years were we were not a strong contender to go the dance. When based on the conference you are in forces your entire season to depend on a 3 game stretch, you are at the mercy of small sample size fluctuations.

This season has been a disappointing rebuilding year. We can go in striving to compete for national titles. Unfortunately, it's not going to happen. I can certainly want to strive to be a top 50 program every year, we probably don't have the resources for that.

You might as well have just been describing ODU if they were in the MEAC. ODU has done better in the past than wish for a good 3 days in March every season so they can maybe get a 14 seed in the NCAA Tournament.

How many at large bids do we have?
(12-23-2019 11:19 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-23-2019 11:16 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-23-2019 11:08 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-23-2019 10:44 AM)odufansam Wrote: [ -> ]There's always going to be excuses. ODU doesn't need 4 - 5 star kids to be successful. There's still a lot of talent out there.

There are no excuses. ODU has the structure to compete within CUSA for a tourney bid (which they've done).

Outside of the first year from Jones and this year, we have competed strongly within the conference for the chance to get to the NCAA tourney. There has only been 2 years were we were not a strong contender to go the dance. When based on the conference you are in forces your entire season to depend on a 3 game stretch, you are at the mercy of small sample size fluctuations.

This season has been a disappointing rebuilding year. We can go in striving to compete for national titles. Unfortunately, it's not going to happen. I can certainly want to strive to be a top 50 program every year, we probably don't have the resources for that.

You might as well have just been describing ODU if they were in the MEAC. ODU has done better in the past than wish for a good 3 days in March every season so they can maybe get a 14 seed in the NCAA Tournament.

How many at large bids do we have?

Jeff hasn't gotten any at large bids during his years at ODU if that is your question, nor has CUSA since ODU has been a member as far as I can remember. Again, in that regard it might as well be the MEAC we are discussing.
(12-23-2019 11:17 AM)odufansam Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-23-2019 11:08 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-23-2019 10:44 AM)odufansam Wrote: [ -> ]There's always going to be excuses. ODU doesn't need 4 - 5 star kids to be successful. There's still a lot of talent out there.

There are no excuses. ODU has the structure to compete within CUSA for a tourney bid (which they've done).

Outside of the first year from Jones and this year, we have competed strongly within the conference for the chance to get to the NCAA tourney. There has only been 2 years were we were not a strong contender to go the dance. When based on the conference you are in forces your entire season to depend on a 3 game stretch, you are at the mercy of small sample size fluctuations.

This season has been a disappointing rebuilding year. We can go in striving to compete for national titles. Unfortunately, it's not going to happen. I can certainly want to strive to be a top 50 program every year, we probably don't have the resources for that.

My counter argument would be last year was the first year Jeff Jones was able to beat Middle Tennessee. It was also his first time in the CUSA championship game without Trey Freeman. Were we ever serious contenders when there's a team in the conference he couldn't beat? Last year we benefited from a weaker conference. MT fell off a cliff.

Im not sure the performance vs. one team means anything. What does that mean?

Our 2015 and 2018 teams were the best teams ODU has had. As much as they were fortunate last year, they were unfortunate some in previous years.

We had the best team in CUSA in 2015 (~70) and lost to MTSU in a game were we didn't didn't play well, which happens in 1 game scenarios. (Made a strong run in the NIT) That team was in the discussion for an at large bid.

We had the best team in CUSA in 2016 (~100) and lost in a close game in the conference tourney.

We had the 3rd best team in CUSA as MTSU was clearly stacked and the cream of the crop (~120 ranking)

We had the 3rd best team in CUSA in 2018 despite this being the best team we have had an awhile and the best team we've had under Jones. WKY and MTSU were both top 50 teams and we lost to a better WKY team.

We had the best team in CUSA in 2019 (113) as the conference was weak. Won the tourney obviously.

Through the last 5 seasons prior to this year, we have had the highest rated CUSA team in 3 out of the 5 years and 3rd in the other 2 years (despite one of those being our best team).
(12-23-2019 11:31 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-23-2019 11:19 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-23-2019 11:16 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-23-2019 11:08 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-23-2019 10:44 AM)odufansam Wrote: [ -> ]There's always going to be excuses. ODU doesn't need 4 - 5 star kids to be successful. There's still a lot of talent out there.

There are no excuses. ODU has the structure to compete within CUSA for a tourney bid (which they've done).

Outside of the first year from Jones and this year, we have competed strongly within the conference for the chance to get to the NCAA tourney. There has only been 2 years were we were not a strong contender to go the dance. When based on the conference you are in forces your entire season to depend on a 3 game stretch, you are at the mercy of small sample size fluctuations.

This season has been a disappointing rebuilding year. We can go in striving to compete for national titles. Unfortunately, it's not going to happen. I can certainly want to strive to be a top 50 program every year, we probably don't have the resources for that.

You might as well have just been describing ODU if they were in the MEAC. ODU has done better in the past than wish for a good 3 days in March every season so they can maybe get a 14 seed in the NCAA Tournament.

How many at large bids do we have?

Jeff hasn't gotten any at large bids during his years at ODU if that is your question, nor has CUSA since ODU has been a member as far as I can remember. Again, in that regard it might as well be the MEAC we are discussing.

How many at large bids has the school had?
(12-23-2019 11:01 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-23-2019 07:08 AM)mac Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-23-2019 12:39 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-22-2019 09:27 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-22-2019 04:46 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote: [ -> ]Sonny Allen
Paul Webb
Tom Young
Oliver Pernell
Jeff Capel
Blaine Taylor

Judging by ODU's head coaches over the past 50 years I would say that the odds are in their favor that they would hire a better coach. The ones in bold above were surely better, and Jeff Capel may have been as well. Collectively these coaches covered pretty much every kind of tempo you could imagine playing today.

The first two are from a completely different era.

Jeff Capel has nowhere near the results at ODU as Jones.


Sonny Allen won a national championship while coaching ODU basketball. More than one of the players he recruited at ODU now have their jerseys retired. Ronnie Valentine's would be retired as well if he had fulfilled all the school's requirements for inclusion. Some of ODU's best players ever played for Sonny Allen.

Paul Webb took ODU into Division 1 and was conference mates with the likes of Georgetown, Syracuse, VCU, WKU, UAB, and JMU (when they were REALLY good) during his time at ODU. Several of his teams competed in the Sun Belt - a conference that ROUTINELY got multiple bids even when the NCAA Tournament was limited to 48 teams. UAB advanced to the Elite 8 in '82, VCU received its lowest seed ever (#2 in the West) in '85, in '86 (4 teams - Jacksonville, ODU, UAB, and WKU) all made the NCAA Tournament from the Sun Belt. Yes, I totally agree that it was a VERY different era than what we are witnessing today for ODU. It was a much higher level of talent on the court for ODU as well as for the conference opponents.

This is all true. One thing not mentioned is there wasn’t AAU ball back then. With AAU and their coaches and all the “advisors “ that come with that, “my guess” is that most of the great players we got back then would never be Monarchs now a days. I can hear it now, “ don’t go there bro you will never be on TV”. Whole different fragile little word for these kids. Can’t have a coach parked out front of your house like you used to in the old days. This ain’t the 70’s 80’s or 90’s.
That’s one thing I did love about the early to mid Blaine. He kinda figured this stuff out in regards to the star kids and all their advisors . He simply got tired of all that BS and starting looking for kids that had good talent, maybe not great and took these under recruited players and through red shirting and just hard work turned them into really good players by the end of their careers. Hassell and Bazemore come to mind. But I’m not even sure if that’s possible now since I keep hearing that players now don’t want to redshirt no matter what the circumstances.

Glad I’m just a fan!

Anyway should be interesting on the recruiting front now with two slots more open.

The times are completely different and they cannot even be compared. There is a clear echelon of major to mid major to low major programs nowadays.

What can't be compared is the player talent and level of success ODU used to have versus recent years, including as recently as the prior decade.
(12-23-2019 11:32 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-23-2019 11:31 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-23-2019 11:19 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-23-2019 11:16 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-23-2019 11:08 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]There are no excuses. ODU has the structure to compete within CUSA for a tourney bid (which they've done).

Outside of the first year from Jones and this year, we have competed strongly within the conference for the chance to get to the NCAA tourney. There has only been 2 years were we were not a strong contender to go the dance. When based on the conference you are in forces your entire season to depend on a 3 game stretch, you are at the mercy of small sample size fluctuations.

This season has been a disappointing rebuilding year. We can go in striving to compete for national titles. Unfortunately, it's not going to happen. I can certainly want to strive to be a top 50 program every year, we probably don't have the resources for that.

You might as well have just been describing ODU if they were in the MEAC. ODU has done better in the past than wish for a good 3 days in March every season so they can maybe get a 14 seed in the NCAA Tournament.

How many at large bids do we have?

Jeff hasn't gotten any at large bids during his years at ODU if that is your question, nor has CUSA since ODU has been a member as far as I can remember. Again, in that regard it might as well be the MEAC we are discussing.

How many at large bids has the school had?

While I don't know the number, nor feel like taking the time to research it, I can say that ODU at least got at large bids while playing in the Sun Belt and CAA Conferences (and ODU wasn't the only school to do so either while it was a member of those conferences). Again, while Paul Webb was their coach ODU went to either the NCAA Tournament or the NIT in 8 of his 9 seasons. Several of those seasons was while ODU was in the Sun Belt - which would never be confused with today's 1 bid MEAC.
Someone is stuck in a different decade.
(12-23-2019 11:31 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-23-2019 11:17 AM)odufansam Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-23-2019 11:08 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-23-2019 10:44 AM)odufansam Wrote: [ -> ]There's always going to be excuses. ODU doesn't need 4 - 5 star kids to be successful. There's still a lot of talent out there.

There are no excuses. ODU has the structure to compete within CUSA for a tourney bid (which they've done).

Outside of the first year from Jones and this year, we have competed strongly within the conference for the chance to get to the NCAA tourney. There has only been 2 years were we were not a strong contender to go the dance. When based on the conference you are in forces your entire season to depend on a 3 game stretch, you are at the mercy of small sample size fluctuations.

This season has been a disappointing rebuilding year. We can go in striving to compete for national titles. Unfortunately, it's not going to happen. I can certainly want to strive to be a top 50 program every year, we probably don't have the resources for that.

My counter argument would be last year was the first year Jeff Jones was able to beat Middle Tennessee. It was also his first time in the CUSA championship game without Trey Freeman. Were we ever serious contenders when there's a team in the conference he couldn't beat? Last year we benefited from a weaker conference. MT fell off a cliff.

Im not sure the performance vs. one team means anything. What does that mean?

Our 2015 and 2018 teams were the best teams ODU has had. As much as they were fortunate last year, they were unfortunate some in previous years.

We had the best team in CUSA in 2015 (~70) and lost to MTSU in a game were we didn't didn't play well, which happens in 1 game scenarios. (Made a strong run in the NIT) That team was in the discussion for an at large bid.

We had the best team in CUSA in 2016 (~100) and lost in a close game in the conference tourney.

We had the 3rd best team in CUSA as MTSU was clearly stacked and the cream of the crop (~120 ranking)

We had the 3rd best team in CUSA in 2018 despite this being the best team we have had an awhile and the best team we've had under Jones. WKY and MTSU were both top 50 teams and we lost to a better WKY team.

We had the best team in CUSA in 2019 (113) as the conference was weak. Won the tourney obviously.

Through the last 5 seasons prior to this year, we have had the highest rated CUSA team in 3 out of the 5 years and 3rd in the other 2 years (despite one of those being our best team).

After reading that glowing report of how strong ODU's basketball team has been in CUSA since 2015, I'm left with the feeling that they may well be the tallest midget in the conference. ~70, 113, and ~120 used to be considered less than successful seasons for ODU, especially the 113 and 120 ratings. Now apparently they are to be considered a strong showing by the team. We truly are in the era where everyone gets a pat on the back and a trophy.
(12-23-2019 11:32 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-23-2019 11:31 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote: [ -> ]Jeff hasn't gotten any at large bids during his years at ODU if that is your question, nor has CUSA since ODU has been a member as far as I can remember. Again, in that regard it might as well be the MEAC we are discussing.

How many at large bids has the school had?

Three. 1985 in Paul Webb's last season, 1986 in Tom Young's first season and in 2007 under Blaine.
(12-23-2019 12:52 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]Someone is stuck in a different decade.

No, I just have a lot more experience regarding ODU basketball to draw from than you do. I've seen the program go through low points such as we are currently witnessing only to rise back up to a level of high success. What is acceptable to you isn't so acceptable to those of us who have been through better - a lot better. We don't settle for status quo just because of your "times have changed" mindset, nor do we buy into your arguments supporting that stance.
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