The CCGs are replaced by the first round of a 16-team playoff; 10 champs, 6 at-larges. PLUS, a team's record during rivalry week serves as the first tie-breaker in determining conference champions AND disqualifies a team from at-large eligibility (the exception being if you lose to a Top 10 team, which helps nobody this year)
SAMPLE PLAYOFF (AP Ranks, sorted mostly geographically and to avoid rematches)
1 LSU
7 Oklahoma
12 Penn State
XX CUSA
2 Ohio State
9 Minnesota
11 Baylor
XX MAC
3 Clemson
5 Alabama
17 Memphis
22 App State
4 Georgia
6 Utah
14 Oregon
20 Boise St
The American Atheletic Conference
The Cincinnati-Memphis Rivalry Game is a defacto championship game for the conference. Navy has an outside chance at a at-large bid, if they can defeat their Rival Houston this weekend.
The Atlantic Coast Conference
Clemson has already clinched the conference championship, even if they lose to Rival South Carolina, though a loss would preclude them from hosting a first-round game. The Virginia Tech vs. Virginia Rivalry Game winner will be 9-3 and have an outside shot at an at-large bid.
The Big 12 Conference
Both Oklahoma (this week against Rival OK State) and Baylor (this week against Rival Kansas) are locked on to playoff spots, yet face elimination. In the case where they both lose Oklahoma will still make the playoff as a road team.
The Big Ten Conference
The Ohio State-Michigan and Minnesota-Wisconsin Rivalry Games are defacto Round-of-32 games; exciting! Penn State is also likely IN with a victory over Rival Rutgers. Iowa is playing Rival Nebraska but would need that Rutgers upset, because a conference can only send 2 at-large teams.
Conference USA
The FAU Owls are alone atop the CUSA standings and would need a win against rival Southern Miss to clinch one of the bottom two playoff spots. Should they lose, they would automatically lose all tie-breakers to any other 6-2 teams. Marshall, WKU, UAB, La Tech, and So Miss could all reach that mark. We'll wait until after this week to select LSU's sacrificial lamb, likely using computer rankings.
The Independents
While not eligible for an auto-bid, we believe Notre Dame is IN the playoff with a win vs. Rival Stanford this week, because we always anticipate at least 1 upset from the SAMPLE playoff provided above.
The Mid-American Conference
Miami (OH) is ready to be crowned champ with a win over Rival Ball State. Western Michigan can capitalize on a Redbirds loss by defeating Rival Northern Illinois and taking the crown, while Central Michigan could steal the show with a victory over Rival Toledo and losses by the other two front runners. The conference bid defaults to Miami if all 3 teams lose.
The Mountain West Conference
Boise State is undefeated in conference and could seal a playoff spot with a victory over Rival Colorado State. With a loss, Air Force could take the spot away, but only if they defeat rival Wyoming.
The Pacific-12 Conference
Despite last week's loss, Oregon still controls their own playoff fate and would snag a playoff spot with a victory over Rival Oregon State. Utah, likewise faces elimination when they play Rival Colorado. USC is done for the year, so last week's game against UCLA counts as their Rivalry Game. If Oregon and Utah lose, USC gets the auto-bid; if not, the Trojans have an outside shot at an at-large bid.
The Southeastern Conference
LSU (Rival Texas A&M), Georgia (RIval Georgia Tech), and Alabama (Rival Auburn) will all make the playoff with victories yet miss the playoff with losses (though technically LSU still gets the auto-bid if all 3 lose). Florida (Rival Florida State) and Auburn (Rival Alabama) could still make the playoff but would likely need an additional loss by one of the teams ahead of them.
The Sun Belt Conference
App State makes the playoff with a victory over Rival Troy. Louisiana gets another chance versus in-state rival LA-Monroe should the Mountaineers fail. And Arkansas State (Rival South Alabama), could pick up the pieces if both front-runners fall. App State gets the nod if all 3 teams lose.
Neutral fans won't want to watch Round of 16 games when they expect Clemson to have an easy time with Appalachian State, and there are other examples. Here's my proposal for qualifying for an 8 team playoff:
1. Undefeated
2. P5 champion (unless a G5/Ind went undefeated, 5 teams would be in so far)
3. The best G5/Ind 1 loss team if there is at least one of them and there are not any G5/Ind undefeated teams
4. 1 loss teams at-large including P5 and G5/Ind if the latter had more than one
5. 2+ losses teams at-large
Criteria 1 through 3 would produce at least 6 teams. If it produced 6 or 7 teams, it would go to Category 4. Category 5 would only be reached if undefeated teams, 1 loss teams, and P5 champions with 2+ losses combined for 7 or fewer teams.
Last season before the bowls, 6 teams had 0 or 1 loss, including undefeated UCF who takes eliminates Criteria 3, although no G5/Ind had 1 loss anyway. Notre Dame was undefeated. Washington won the Pac-12 with 3 losses to make 7 teams. Then I would have 1 spot left, which would have gone to 2 loss Georgia, who was Fifth in the Final Committee Rankings.
Old alignments. 8-team playoff. 7 highest ranked conference champs + 1 at-large. If G5 champ ranked higher than P7 champ, they take their spot. Move Cotton Bowl back to its rightful stadium.
New Year's Day Quarterfinals
ORANGE - ACC vs BIG EIGHT (11est/11est)
COTTON - SWC vs at-large (230est/130cst)
ROSE - B1G vs PAC (6est/3pst)
SUGAR - SEC vs BIG EAST (930est/830cst)
NYE becomes "best of the rest" bowl extravaganza (Citrus, Gator, Outback, Liberty, Sun, Holiday, etc).
lol. Florida would be in..
Also why in the **** do you have Georgia playing Utah to avoid conference matchup- but then give Ohio St Minnesota? And also sorry but it would be a true 1-16 bracket....
1 LSU vs CUSA/MAC
2 Ohio St vs CUSA/MAC
3 Clemson vs App St
4 Georgia vs Boise St
5 Alabama vs Memphis
6 Utah vs 11 Baylor
7 Oklahoma vs 10 Michigan
8 Florida vs 9 Minnesota
2nd rd
LSU vs Florida/Minnesota
Georgia vs Alabama/Memphis
Ohio St vs Oklahoma/Michigan
Clemson vs Utah/Baylor
My playoff plan.
12 teams.
Committee rates the 10 conference champions 1-10.
1-4 get a first round bye and home field.
5-8 get home field.
9-10 are placed in a pool with the top teams that are not conference champions and rated 9-12 and seeded into the field.
Basic principles, winning your league MATTERS all home field slots are guaranteed to league champions. Outstanding at-large teams ought to be good enough to overcome traveling to a lesser conference champ. Exception. Any independent in top 8 gets treated as a champion and at-large pool shrinks to one.
Example from last year using Massey composite in lieu of committee where teams aren't rated in CFP poll
1 Alabama
2 Clemson
3 Notre Dame
4 Oklahoma
5 Ohio State
6 UCF
7 Washington
8 Boise State
9 Appalachian State
10 UAB
11 NIU
At Large 1 Georgia
1-4 home plus bye
5-8 home
9-11 + Georgia rerated 9-12.
Playoff field
Boise State hosts Georgia, winner travels to Alabama
Washington hosts Appalachian State, winner travels to Clemson * Note App would have hosted but for Notre Dame placing in top 8
UCF hosts UAB winner travels to Notre Dame
Ohio State hosts NIU, winner travels to Oklahoma.
14-teams, with 10 conference bids and 4 wild cards. Autobids to the CFP bowls for the top-2 champions. Play-In Round for the lower champs and wild cards.
CFP ROUND 1
Friday & Saturday, December 6-7
3-seed game: Miami(OH) @ Clemson(ACC)
4-seed game: FAU @ Utah(PAC)
5-seed Wild Card game: Minnesota @ Georgia
6-seed Wild Card game: Florida @ Alabama
7-seed game: App St.(Sun Belt) @ Oklahoma (B12)
8-seed game: Boise St.(MWC) @ Memphis (AAC)
Conference champs #3-6 get a CFP home game. Also, home games for the top-2 Wild Cards.
CFP QUARTERFINALS
Monday, December 30 & Wednesday, January 1
Sugar Bowl: (1)LSU(SEC) v. 8-seed winner
Rose Bowl: (2)Ohio State(B1G) v. 7-seed winner
Orange Bowl: 3-seed winner v. 6-seed winner
Cotton Bowl: 4-seed winner v. 5-seed winner
CONSOLATION
Round 1 Wild Card losers play in Fiesta or Peach bowls. Other Round 1 losers play in predetermined bowl games, based on conference affiliations and rankings.
CFP SEMIFINALS
Saturday, January 11
Quarterfinals winners
CFP NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP
Monday, January 21
Semifinals winners
ah the stupid as **** round 1 team loses and goes to a bowl game...... it's back and as stupid as ever.
Any FBS playoff proposal that does not include auto-bids for every conference champion - like every other NCAA sport and division - is an illegitimate farce, in my opinion.
(11-26-2019 01:45 PM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]ah the stupid as **** round 1 team loses and goes to a bowl game...... it's back and as stupid as ever.
Right, a team that is denied a chance at being the national champion would never want to go on and play in a bowl game.
This playoff format is mostly for fun. The FBS is not going to agree to those Rivalry Game rules for determining at larges. BUT, if a 16-team playoff did come into being, those Rivalry rules would make such a playoff race more fun and more fair. Michigan fans don't want to watch the Buckeyes rest their starters because they are guaranteed an at-large spot in the playoff.
Many comments are about other proposals, notably 8-team proposals, which are fine. To those proposing more than 8 teams, I must say that our TV overlords are not going to fill an extra week of football with mid-majors, they are going to want to send in the Blue-Bloods, so if the playoff ever does expand beyond 8, it'll go to 16. I'll post a more likely playoff proposal after this week of games.
(11-26-2019 11:27 AM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]lol. Florida would be in..
The rules for the CRAZY playoff limit the number of teams per conference to 3. In part this is to prevent the SEC/Big Ten from taking half the playoff spots and spreading the literal wealth around. And the other part is that it makes rivalry weekend more exciting; Gator fans will be rooting for Texas A&M, Auburn, or Georgia Tech to pull off an upset.
As stated above, a 16-team playoff with 6 at larges (or I've seen some with more, reducing the number of G5 champs), would make the most tradition-filled weekend of college football like Week 17 in the NFL, with very few teams playing a meaningful game. The Rivalry Game rules (hokey as they may seem) would make many of these final games virtual Round-of-32 games.
(11-26-2019 11:27 AM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]Also why in the **** do you have Georgia playing Utah to avoid conference matchup- but then give Ohio St Minnesota? And also sorry but it would be a true 1-16 bracket....
I stated that rematches are avoided, not conference matchups. One of the issues with a straight 1-16 bracket is the travel, especially for Mountain and Pacific teams. While staging the games at home helps ensure attendence, making them largely regional encourages visiting fan travel and builds regional rivalries that may not exist within a conference (Boise, for example, would be more likely to face a Pac-12 team).
Implied point is taken about the relatively "ugh" appearance of #5 facing #17 in a first-round playoff matchup. The teams would be seeded by committee 1-4, within their region. The West and North regions (usually filled with Pac-12 and Big Ten teams) would send champions to the Rose Bowl, while the South and East regions would send champions to the Sugar Bowl.
(11-25-2019 07:15 PM)EvanJ Wrote: [ -> ]Neutral fans won't want to watch Round of 16 games when they expect Clemson to have an easy time with Appalachian State, and there are other examples. Here's my proposal for qualifying for an 8 team playoff:
Neutral fans won't want to tune in in early December to watch Clemson play a team ranked 20-something even if they are from a little further North up the Appalachians, BUT that is what we'll get in most folks' 8-team playoff, including yours.
Yes, there will be near body-bag games between unranked teams and teams which would have competed for a BCS Title. But, given a 4-round playoff, these games are preferable to excluding certain champions (keep playoff selection fair and attainable), to adding more 3-loss teams from Power conferences (to preserve integrity of regular season), and to giving the top teams byes (TV money-wise).
(11-26-2019 10:40 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote: [ -> ] (11-26-2019 01:45 PM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]ah the stupid as **** round 1 team loses and goes to a bowl game...... it's back and as stupid as ever.
Right, a team that is denied a chance at being the national champion would never want to go on and play in a bowl game.
If the playoff ever got this big, the bowl games would lose quite a bit of their prestige. But, yes, teams would still go to them (wouldn't they?). Not sure a bowl dedicated to playoff "losers" (a consolation bowl) is the way to go though; such games would have to rotate among a series of bowls. Perhaps it may be best for logistics. Again, not sure.
Added the (forgotten) consideration of Champs hosting the first round (top 6 champs being given #1 or #2 seed), which moved Memphis to the South. Georgia and Clemson are interchanageable below, not sure what the committee would prefer, had Georgia in the West because they are an at-large.
NORTH (Rose A)
4 MAC @ 1 Ohio State
3 Minnesota @ 2 Oklahoma
WEST (Rose B)
4 Boise @ 1 Georgia
3 Oregon @ 2 Utah
SOUTH (Sugar A)
4 CUSA @ 1 LSU
3 Baylor @ 2 Memphis
EAST (Sugar B)
4 App St @ 1 Clemson
3 Penn State @ 2 Alabama
(11-26-2019 08:20 PM)AppfanInCAAland Wrote: [ -> ]Any FBS playoff proposal that does not include auto-bids for every conference champion - like every other NCAA sport and division - is an illegitimate farce, in my opinion.
You have to remember that the only reason the other NCAA sports include auto-bids for conference champs is because the playoffs are large enough to accommodate large numbers of at-large teams, such that a conference can get in two, three, four, five, or even more teams in the playoffs.
No sport, at least no major one, has a playoffs where the majority of teams are conference champs. The last one that did so was the NCAA hoops tournament, before 1975. But the key here is "before 1975". I remember 1975, it was a LONG time ago.
This is especially true in sports where conferences of unequal strength compete in the same playoffs. E.g., in hoops, both the ACC and the MEAC get their conference champs in automatically, but that's only because the format also allows 8 ACC teams to make the playoffs too. The ACC is way better than the MEAC, so should have way more teams in.
Now, we wouldn't need to do this if the football playoffs were among just the equal conferences, the P5. If the P5 broke away, then you could argue for an 8-team playoff that consists of the 5 champs and then 3 at large teams.
But if we are going to do an "FBS" playoffs with the G5 conferences included, then it would have to be a much larger playoff to justify G5 conferences having autobids. Probably a 32-team playoff that would allow the SEC to get 5 teams in, because the SEC is a whole lot better than say CUSA or the Sun Belt.
That's the only competitively fair way to have a playoff among conferences of vastly unequal strength. And that's why we don't see any that aren't like that.
Garbage. Four teams is perfect. Not enough depth and national interest most years with 5+ teams.
we're going to be at 8 no later than 7 years from now.. Too much $$$ left on the table.
(11-27-2019 10:02 AM)Crayton Wrote: [ -> ] (11-26-2019 10:40 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote: [ -> ] (11-26-2019 01:45 PM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]ah the stupid as **** round 1 team loses and goes to a bowl game...... it's back and as stupid as ever.
Right, a team that is denied a chance at being the national champion would never want to go on and play in a bowl game.
If the playoff ever got this big, the bowl games would lose quite a bit of their prestige. But, yes, teams would still go to them (wouldn't they?). Not sure a bowl dedicated to playoff "losers" (a consolation bowl) is the way to go though; such games would have to rotate among a series of bowls. Perhaps it may be best for logistics. Again, not sure.
I was being facetious. Of course a team that is eliminated from the national championship would want to go to a bowl if the option were available. Every season, virtually all FBS teams are eliminated from the CFP and they still seek to bowl. Teams lose CCGs all the time and still seek to bowl. That the losing teams of the first round of an early-starting expanded playoff would opt not to then go bowling is an absurd notion. It's one of the irrational beliefs that some people seem to cling to, like the idea that CCGs are somehow not postseason games or that the Big East is not a power basketball conference.
This is easy stuff... 8 team playoff, 6 auto bids to the highest rated conference champs, two at large. G4's will likely try to match their best two conference champs up to try and get them an additional quality win on the Army/Navy weekend.
(11-27-2019 01:27 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2019 10:02 AM)Crayton Wrote: [ -> ] (11-26-2019 10:40 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote: [ -> ] (11-26-2019 01:45 PM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]ah the stupid as **** round 1 team loses and goes to a bowl game...... it's back and as stupid as ever.
Right, a team that is denied a chance at being the national champion would never want to go on and play in a bowl game.
If the playoff ever got this big, the bowl games would lose quite a bit of their prestige. But, yes, teams would still go to them (wouldn't they?). Not sure a bowl dedicated to playoff "losers" (a consolation bowl) is the way to go though; such games would have to rotate among a series of bowls. Perhaps it may be best for logistics. Again, not sure.
I was being facetious. Of course a team that is eliminated from the national championship would want to go to a bowl if the option were available. Every season, virtually all FBS teams are eliminated from the CFP and they still seek to bowl. Teams lose CCGs all the time and still seek to bowl. That the losing teams of the first round of an early-starting expanded playoff would opt not to then go bowling is an absurd notion. It's one of the irrational beliefs that some people seem to cling to, like the idea that CCGs are somehow not postseason games or that the Big East is not a power basketball conference.
Sorry but no ******* chance.... . You know how we have players skipping bowl games..... Well- every single nfl prospect- even 6th/7th rd picks- would skip an even more meaningless bowl game after losing a playoff game. EVERY SINGLE one of them..... Sorry but that is definitely a no chance in hell proposal.....
(11-27-2019 02:06 PM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2019 01:27 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2019 10:02 AM)Crayton Wrote: [ -> ] (11-26-2019 10:40 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote: [ -> ] (11-26-2019 01:45 PM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]ah the stupid as **** round 1 team loses and goes to a bowl game...... it's back and as stupid as ever.
Right, a team that is denied a chance at being the national champion would never want to go on and play in a bowl game.
If the playoff ever got this big, the bowl games would lose quite a bit of their prestige. But, yes, teams would still go to them (wouldn't they?). Not sure a bowl dedicated to playoff "losers" (a consolation bowl) is the way to go though; such games would have to rotate among a series of bowls. Perhaps it may be best for logistics. Again, not sure.
I was being facetious. Of course a team that is eliminated from the national championship would want to go to a bowl if the option were available. Every season, virtually all FBS teams are eliminated from the CFP and they still seek to bowl. Teams lose CCGs all the time and still seek to bowl. That the losing teams of the first round of an early-starting expanded playoff would opt not to then go bowling is an absurd notion. It's one of the irrational beliefs that some people seem to cling to, like the idea that CCGs are somehow not postseason games or that the Big East is not a power basketball conference.
Sorry but no ******* chance.... . You know how we have players skipping bowl games..... Well- every single nfl prospect- even 6th/7th rd picks- would skip an even more meaningless bowl game after losing a playoff game. EVERY SINGLE one of them..... Sorry but that is definitely a no chance in hell proposal.....
Some players might perhaps opt out, but the team will absolutely go. Even if it's a low-paying bowl, the exposure must make it ultimately pay off, or the bowls wouldn't exist. Has a team eligible to bowl ever declined to bowl? The recent one that was canceled due to bad weather rather than rescheduled is the closest thing I know of to a team declining to bowl.
(11-27-2019 02:17 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2019 02:06 PM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2019 01:27 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2019 10:02 AM)Crayton Wrote: [ -> ] (11-26-2019 10:40 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote: [ -> ]Right, a team that is denied a chance at being the national champion would never want to go on and play in a bowl game.
If the playoff ever got this big, the bowl games would lose quite a bit of their prestige. But, yes, teams would still go to them (wouldn't they?). Not sure a bowl dedicated to playoff "losers" (a consolation bowl) is the way to go though; such games would have to rotate among a series of bowls. Perhaps it may be best for logistics. Again, not sure.
I was being facetious. Of course a team that is eliminated from the national championship would want to go to a bowl if the option were available. Every season, virtually all FBS teams are eliminated from the CFP and they still seek to bowl. Teams lose CCGs all the time and still seek to bowl. That the losing teams of the first round of an early-starting expanded playoff would opt not to then go bowling is an absurd notion. It's one of the irrational beliefs that some people seem to cling to, like the idea that CCGs are somehow not postseason games or that the Big East is not a power basketball conference.
Sorry but no ******* chance.... . You know how we have players skipping bowl games..... Well- every single nfl prospect- even 6th/7th rd picks- would skip an even more meaningless bowl game after losing a playoff game. EVERY SINGLE one of them..... Sorry but that is definitely a no chance in hell proposal.....
Some players might perhaps opt out, but the team will absolutely go. Even if it's a low-paying bowl, the exposure must make it ultimately pay off, or the bowls wouldn't exist. Has a team eligible to bowl ever declined to bowl? The recent one that was canceled due to bad weather rather than rescheduled is the closest thing I know of to a team declining to bowl.
you are a delusional fool if you really believe that.... No chance in hell. NONE.
(11-27-2019 02:37 PM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2019 02:17 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2019 02:06 PM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2019 01:27 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2019 10:02 AM)Crayton Wrote: [ -> ]If the playoff ever got this big, the bowl games would lose quite a bit of their prestige. But, yes, teams would still go to them (wouldn't they?). Not sure a bowl dedicated to playoff "losers" (a consolation bowl) is the way to go though; such games would have to rotate among a series of bowls. Perhaps it may be best for logistics. Again, not sure.
I was being facetious. Of course a team that is eliminated from the national championship would want to go to a bowl if the option were available. Every season, virtually all FBS teams are eliminated from the CFP and they still seek to bowl. Teams lose CCGs all the time and still seek to bowl. That the losing teams of the first round of an early-starting expanded playoff would opt not to then go bowling is an absurd notion. It's one of the irrational beliefs that some people seem to cling to, like the idea that CCGs are somehow not postseason games or that the Big East is not a power basketball conference.
Sorry but no ******* chance.... . You know how we have players skipping bowl games..... Well- every single nfl prospect- even 6th/7th rd picks- would skip an even more meaningless bowl game after losing a playoff game. EVERY SINGLE one of them..... Sorry but that is definitely a no chance in hell proposal.....
Some players might perhaps opt out, but the team will absolutely go. Even if it's a low-paying bowl, the exposure must make it ultimately pay off, or the bowls wouldn't exist. Has a team eligible to bowl ever declined to bowl? The recent one that was canceled due to bad weather rather than rescheduled is the closest thing I know of to a team declining to bowl.
you are a delusional fool if you really believe that.... No chance in hell. NONE.
Good argument. Since you've just conceded, here's an FYI for future debates you get yourself into: When you resort to ad hominem, you've effectively thrown in the towel.