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Here is the best conference that the American can reasonably create:

East

Army (fb only)/VCU
Temple
ECU
Cincinnati
Memphis
UCF
USF


West

Colorado State (fb only)/St. Louis
Air Force (fb only)/Dayton
Navy (fb only)/Wichita
Tulsa
SMU
Houston
Tulane

Special rules for football crossover.
Everyone will be matched with one team as a permanent cross over opponent and will rotate its other two games vs cross division opponents. However Army and Navy will be excluded from playing each other and instead will be matched to another opposing team. This will mean unbalanced schedules but that is true in having a permanent crossover for rotation anyway. This also means two other schools will be excluded from playing each other as cross overs Colorado St and ECU in this case, knocking off travel costs for both and allowing Army to maintain a more natural cross over. Army and Navy game will never be part of the AAC inventory, will never affect the divisional races. Every school will play every school at leas home and away once every six years, except the exclusion.



Crossover~Rotation Pairings

East
Army/Air Force~ CSU/Tulsa, SMU/Navy(CSU), Houston/Tulane
Temple/Navy~ CSU/Air Force, SMU/Tulsa, Houston/Tulane
ECU/Tulsa~ Air Force/CSU(Navy), SMU/Navy, Houston/Tulane
Cincinnati/CSU~ Air Force/Tulsa, SMU/Navy, Houston/Tulane
Memphis/Houston~ CSU/Air Force, SMU/Tulsa, Tulane/Navy
UCF/SMU~ Air Force/CSU, Tulsa/SMU, Houston/Tulane
USF/Tulane~ Air Force/CSU, Tulsa/SMU, Houston/Tulane

West
Tulane/USF~ Army/Temple, Cincinnati/Memphis, ECU/UCF
SMU/UCF~ Army/Temple, Cincinnati/Memphis, ECU/USF
Houston/Memphis~ Army/Temple, Cincinnati/USF, UCF/ECU
CSU/Cincinnati~ Army/Temple, Memphis/USF, UCF/ECU
Tulsa/ECU~ Army/Temple, Cincinnati/USF, Memphis/UCF
Navy/Temple~ ECU/UCF, USF/Army(ECU), Cincinatti/Memphis

Championship game exception for Navy/Army, the ESPN deal will be modified and a set amount will be given to the conference championship football game. When joining the AAC in return for the exception rule Army and Navy will add 10% of the Army/Navy game to the distribution of the AAC media rights. If they meet for the championship game it will still fall on the traditional day, be aired by CBS, Army and Navy will cover the cost of the championship game lost by the AAC or 30% of the Army/Navy pay pu (20% plus the 10% pay out) which ever is less.



Basketball Pairings

Basketball will see the conference also at fourteen members and play twenty games, with each team paired with another program as travel partners. Each pair will be matched up with 3 other pairs for home and home matches as well as their travel partner. They will split the remaining three pairs for home or away games only. If done properly this can also drastically cut down on travel cost.



Basketball pairs

WSU/Tulsa
Houston/SMU
Memphis/St. Louis
Cincinnati/Dayton
Temple/VCU
UCF/USF
ECU/Tulane


All of the pairings are geographically tight, roughly 250 miles apart, except Tulane and ECU. All the pairings are fairly competitive and taking into account recent performance break down as five strong pairings and two pairings that have lower level teams traditionally in AAC play. Since geography/rivalry does not break well there will be at least one bad pairing in distance, in this case Tulane and ECU are the match. However since you will be playing them home or away every other year the issue isn't overwhelming when they are split and you get one at home and on the road for the other. Also adding them on to the VCU/Temple or SMU/Houston pairing for those odd three game runs done for television would also lower the jump when playing home and home. Splitting the line up of USF/UCF and ECU/Tulane also means never playing the three lowest teams home and home each year.

Example schedule

Cincy (year 1)
Home and Home
UCF, USF, Memphis, St. Louis, SMU, Houston, Dayton
Home Only
ECU, Wichita, Temple
Away Only
Tulane, Tulsa, VCU

Cincy (year 2)
Home and Home
UCF, USF, Memphis, St. Louis, SMU, Houston, Dayton
Home Only
Tulane, Tulsa, VCU
Away Only
Wichita, Temple, ECU

Cincy (year 3)
Home and Home
Tulane, ECU, Tulsa, Wichita, VCU, Temple, Dayton
Home Only
UCF, Memphis, SMU
Away Only
USF, St. Louis, Houston

Cincy (year 4)
Home and Home
Tulane, ECU, Tulsa, Wichita, VCU, Temple, Dayton
Home Only
USF, St. Louis, Houston
Away Only
UCF, Memphis, SMU


Wand waved, work done....

Pretty sure this would get us a bigger contract, it adds Army to our inventory, brings the CIC trophy in (which I would capitalize by making AFA/Army or AFA/Navy the first game of the year, meaning the American bookends the college football season). Adds Denver to our markets. Probably a five to seven bid league in basketball. Actually makes a viable west division with Tulsa, Tulane, Colorado, and Texas schools. Keeps the Academies with a national footprint and frees two OOC games for Air Force if they want to play MW frontrange UNM or Wyoming. Air Force and Colorado St take their Olympic sports to the WAC adding needed teams, markets, and competition to it (they also probably pull Denver from the Summit to the WAC with them), it also matches the current footprint for the MWC meaning virtually the same travelling costs for them. Temple/Navy can form into a rivalry, as can ECU/Navy since they will play four out of six years. I'm sure I missed some stuff but I still have the janky magic wand and can fix it right up.

Works for me. Well done.

Im fine with this but I wish it had either BYU or Boise as one of the western fb schools. Heck I'd even entertain SDSU or Fresno.

I think when he put in "reasonable", it assumed that Boise and/or BYU would tell say no?

I am fine with that model as well and hope the conference actually does something bold.

I'm fine with it, but Army (and probably AFA) are likely not coming, and the AAC is not going to 14 for FB and 18 total teams., with only 10 all sports. Too many mouths to feed, and it starts to look too much like the OBE with the C7, with agendas split between FB and BB schools.

Actually it's not bad. There is no way the Basketball/Olympic schools can obtain or block a majority vote. So it's good for me.

(06-25-2019 07:21 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote: [ -> ]I think when he put in "reasonable", it assumed that Boise and/or BYU would tell say no?

Yes basically, although in Boise's case it's just too far. For the football west it's less thousand miles between Denver and Tulsa, SMU, and just over for Houston. Denver is a better market and easier travel than Boise as well. BYU is just a logistical impossibility with it's current schedule. So yes I think reasonably (i.e. with out using my genie wishes) this is the best conference we can get.

(06-25-2019 08:14 AM)TripleA Wrote: [ -> ]I'm fine with it, but Army (and probably AFA) are likely not coming, and the AAC is not going to 14 for FB and 18 total teams., with only 10 all sports. Too many mouths to feed, and it starts to look too much like the OBE with the C7, with agendas split between FB and BB schools.

Its 12 football, 10 all sports, 4 Olympic, and 4 football only's. With the academies it's just to hard to do all sports or it would be 13 and 1. I wouldn't be ok with it except the Academies will be football focused and as pointed out there is no way for fb and Olympic splits to take voting control.

As far as mouths, its 14 shares, with four split shares (70/30).

I think there is enough atteactiveness to this and money to entice some teams, first Army and Navy will still have three ooc games, Navy actually picks up a free game with Air Force in division. They can all also add an extra game from time to time with a trip to Hawaii. CSU gets to show case out east. Air Force gets a better Olympic fit. The AAC will actually have geographically tight divisions with Dallas as the western center and Temple/ECU/Navy as the center of the east. Everyone gets more money, we should add bids for basketball and all three teams would get a bump up in pay. It's also six entrance fees to be added to the UConn exit fee for a boost for the current members. Finally it gives a six to eight team core that the conference can depend on to maintain its viability. The basketball schools, academies, Tulsa, and Tulane are probably not getting p5 invites, meaning whatever teams do, there will be a fairly strong conference core for those left to rebuild around. For those who think they are leaving there is the money and attention that having the Academies brings as well as the tough competition that will raise the profile.

Don’t add anyone. It only dilutes our product. The several teams that may add any sort of value don’t seem interested anyway.


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I would be willing to take CSU basketball (and Boise basketball) in place of a couple of the olympic only schools. I don't want a repeat of the big east with a ton of non-football playing entities controlling some purse strings. Wichita + one more would be all I would be willing to do.

I would go with Boise, CSU, and Air Force all sports as long as ESPN renegotiated the contract with the Boise addition. I don't want to split the pie among a ton of other teams. I would want a bigger pie.

But, adding the MW's best squad and a couple of other mid tier football teams would push us a long way towards official "P5" status while also killing our biggest rival. It would be like a hostile merger.

(06-25-2019 11:15 AM)invisiblehand Wrote: [ -> ]I would go with Boise, CSU, and Air Force all sports as long as ESPN renegotiated the contract with the Boise addition. I don't want to split the pie among a ton of other teams. I would want a bigger pie.

But, adding the MW's best squad and a couple of other mid tier football teams would push us a long way towards official "P5" status while also killing our biggest rival. It would be like a hostile merger.

No it wouldn't Boise has done jack for the last sixIdaho. CSU and AFA hover around .500 in a significantly weaker football conference than the AAC especially with out UConn and no to all of them for full membership. Tulane and ECU are just now getting basketball together and we lost a top team we don't need anchors pulling us down and the cost of sending all sports to idaho.

Which potential schools actually add value (meaning $$+ to each member school), maybe BYU. Boise actually probably not (meaning they might carry their own weight but nothing more), which meaning 11 schools lose due to travel. End of story, no one else to consider.........so let's stay at 11 and enjoy the ride.

(06-25-2019 07:30 PM)Atlanta Wrote: [ -> ]Which potential schools actually add value (meaning $$+ to each member school), maybe BYU. Boise actually probably not (meaning they might carry their own weight but nothing more), which meaning 11 schools lose due to travel. End of story, so let's stay at 11 and enjoy the ride.

I would say Army and BYU. Depending on how you line it up other combinations can carry weight or add value. No single entity does.

I'm fine with eleven, but really only if we can do away with divisions. Otherwise it seems a huge pain for football. Basketball is fine at eleven, but adding VCU/Dayton/St Louis in that order of choice would also be a good move.

Honest question, and having nothing to do with UNT. Why would any of the MWC schools, plus BYU, want to join the American Athletic Conference(AAC) for football? And the question is not being asked to question whether the AAC is a good conference or not. It is a good conference. But generally(in some cases) flying from coast to coast to play football just sounds ridiculous to me.

(06-25-2019 08:38 PM)Green Menace Wrote: [ -> ]Honest question, and having nothing to do with UNT. Why would any of the MWC schools, plus BYU, want to join the American Athletic Conference(AAC) for football? And the question is not being asked to question whether the AAC is a good conference or not. It is a good conference. But generally(in some cases) flying from coast to coast to play football just sounds ridiculous to me.

First money.

Second it's not coast to coast. In my scenario it's mostly Colorado to Texas for the west division. Same as the old big 12.

For BYU the school is a showcase for the Mormon faith and the LDS church uses a national footprint to strengthen ties. The Academies want a national schedule for the same reason.

Competition and to get away from the awful Boise sweetheart deal also will be factors, as well as population base. More people live in the east, if you are "trying out" for the p5 they are more likely to see you there.

Mostly money.

(06-25-2019 08:38 PM)Green Menace Wrote: [ -> ]Honest question, and having nothing to do with UNT. Why would any of the MWC schools, plus BYU, want to join the American Athletic Conference(AAC) for football? And the question is not being asked to question whether the AAC is a good conference or not. It is a good conference. But generally(in some cases) flying from coast to coast to play football just sounds ridiculous to me.

The money would be better, and more eyeballs on TV sets playing eastern teams where the population is.

But that aside, yeah, its a lot of travel but I think we are talking FB only so not that big of a deal.

(06-25-2019 08:44 PM)Foreverandever Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-25-2019 08:38 PM)Green Menace Wrote: [ -> ]Honest question, and having nothing to do with UNT. Why would any of the MWC schools, plus BYU, want to join the American Athletic Conference(AAC) for football? And the question is not being asked to question whether the AAC is a good conference or not. It is a good conference. But generally(in some cases) flying from coast to coast to play football just sounds ridiculous to me.

First money.

Second it's not coast to coast. In my scenario it's mostly Colorado to Texas for the west division. Same as the old big 12.

For BYU the school is a showcase for the Mormon faith and the LDS church uses a national footprint to strengthen ties. The Academies want a national schedule for the same reason.

Competition and to get away from the awful Boise sweetheart deal also will be factors, as well as population base. More people live in the east, if you are "trying out" for the p5 they are more likely to see you there.

Mostly money.

Not to mention the major population centers pull. Army and Air Force will be on TV in Tampa, Orlando, Houston, Dallas, DC, New Orleans, Memphis, and Philadelphia in the American. Never mind that with military bases near by there will be some level of sell to get troops into the stadiums for some games.

Okay. Thanks for the input and honest answers.