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(06-20-2019 11:48 PM)SDHornet Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-20-2019 11:45 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-20-2019 11:39 PM)SDHornet Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-20-2019 11:32 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-20-2019 11:20 PM)SDHornet Wrote: [ -> ]Nothing is going to happen to the WAC and the conference as a whole will continue to exist and not lose its post season access. Bank it.


Biggerd question is how does this UMKC move to the slummit impact nodak's Great Northern Conference alignment moves?

Nothing will happen to the WAC’s bid because they were smart enough to have additions forthcoming.

UMKC to the Summit doesn’t do anything as it doesn’t have baseball, so when Purdue-Fort Wayne leaves as the school wants to, the Summit will be noncompliant even with UMKC. UMKC has no announced plans to add baseball.

The Summit needs to add football schools, as that would do away with the baseball and men’s soccer rules.
I'll go on a short limb and also say that the slummit will not lose their NCAA post season bids when they don't add a baseball playing member.
Because the Presidents of those leagues have been planing for years for shakeups of the WAC, Big Sky, Summit and Southland. All four league will have lesser footprints and stronger for each other members and most important, NCAA compliant.

Oh, so this is all part of the plan...mkay...

Clock's ticking. The CFP contract runs through 2025, so there's not much time for all these moving pieces...
(06-20-2019 10:46 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ]The WAC now falls below the needed seven full DI members. Cal Baptist and Dixie St won’t count for several years.

Grand Canyon, NMSU, UTRGV, Chicago St, Seattle and Utah Valley are the only counters. Bakersfield is leaving. The WAC will only have two years to get back in good graces once UMKC leaves.

Bring in Sam Houston St, Lamar, maybe Incarnate Word and one other Southland fb school, get UTRGV to add fb, and get UCDavis, Cal Poly and Sac St and all fb to go FBS. Utah Valley, Seattle and Dixie St will leave for the Big Sky.

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(06-20-2019 11:26 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-20-2019 11:22 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote: [ -> ]Again, some me an article where someone from the Summit said they were going to lose their autobid for not being “compliant” and that Oral Roberts was bribed to take care of it. Should be easy to find. If not, go crawl back into your GNC hole and leave.

Take your uninformed opinion to the NCAA regs. The Summit only had five baseball teams and five member men’s soccer teams, causing both to be non-compliant. ORU bought them back into compliance.

Show me where the NCAA regs we’re going to be enforced had ORU not re-joined the Summit. The NCAA also has regs about 15k attendance to maintain FBS and they don’t enforce that either.
(06-20-2019 10:46 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ]The WAC now falls below the needed seven full DI members. Cal Baptist and Dixie St won’t count for several years.

Grand Canyon, NMSU, UTRGV, Chicago St, Seattle and Utah Valley are the only counters. Bakersfield is leaving. The WAC will only have two years to get back in good graces once UMKC leaves.

Bring in Sam Houston St, Lamar, maybe Incarnate Word and one other Southland fb school, get UTRGV to add fb, and get UCDavis, Cal Poly and Sac St and all fb to go FBS. Utah Valley, Seattle and Dixie St will leave for the Big Sky.

This is not correct. Cal Baptist counts starting 2019-20 for scheduling, so they will be at 7. Only the first yera is a non-counter. The WAC will not fall out of compliance, even if Chicago State shut down tomorrow, because of the 2 year grace period.

Worst case the NCAA gives the WAC a waiver for a year.

Even Chicago State dropping D-I would only impact Tennis, but the WAC has 17 other counting sports, meets all minimums.

BTW, I thought you were banned for trolling. Can the mods check on that?
(06-21-2019 12:38 PM)Stugray2 Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-20-2019 10:46 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ]The WAC now falls below the needed seven full DI members. Cal Baptist and Dixie St won’t count for several years.

Grand Canyon, NMSU, UTRGV, Chicago St, Seattle and Utah Valley are the only counters. Bakersfield is leaving. The WAC will only have two years to get back in good graces once UMKC leaves.

Bring in Sam Houston St, Lamar, maybe Incarnate Word and one other Southland fb school, get UTRGV to add fb, and get UCDavis, Cal Poly and Sac St and all fb to go FBS. Utah Valley, Seattle and Dixie St will leave for the Big Sky.

This is not correct. Cal Baptist counts starting 2019-20 for scheduling, so they will be at 7. Only the first yera is a non-counter. The WAC will not fall out of compliance, even if Chicago State shut down tomorrow, because of the 2 year grace period.

Worst case the NCAA gives the WAC a waiver for a year.

Even Chicago State dropping D-I would only impact Tennis, but the WAC has 17 other counting sports, meets all minimums.

BTW, I thought you were banned for trolling. Can the mods check on that?

You are wrong on all counts as usual.

The WAC needs seven full DI members, and CBU won’t be a full member for three more years. That is different than CBU counting as a DI opponent next year.

I was never ever bannned. I submitted my resignation at the CSN realignment board until the Montana and Idaho are in the Summit because it was just impossible to deal with smart alecks like you that were opposed to coming massive WAC, Summit, and Big Sky changes.

The majority there aren’t open to good ideas.
(06-21-2019 01:34 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-21-2019 12:38 PM)Stugray2 Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-20-2019 10:46 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ]The WAC now falls below the needed seven full DI members. Cal Baptist and Dixie St won’t count for several years.

Grand Canyon, NMSU, UTRGV, Chicago St, Seattle and Utah Valley are the only counters. Bakersfield is leaving. The WAC will only have two years to get back in good graces once UMKC leaves.

Bring in Sam Houston St, Lamar, maybe Incarnate Word and one other Southland fb school, get UTRGV to add fb, and get UCDavis, Cal Poly and Sac St and all fb to go FBS. Utah Valley, Seattle and Dixie St will leave for the Big Sky.

This is not correct. Cal Baptist counts starting 2019-20 for scheduling, so they will be at 7. Only the first yera is a non-counter. The WAC will not fall out of compliance, even if Chicago State shut down tomorrow, because of the 2 year grace period.

Worst case the NCAA gives the WAC a waiver for a year.

Even Chicago State dropping D-I would only impact Tennis, but the WAC has 17 other counting sports, meets all minimums.

BTW, I thought you were banned for trolling. Can the mods check on that?

You are wrong on all counts as usual.

The WAC needs seven full DI members, and CBU won’t be a full member for three more years. That is different than CBU counting as a DI opponent next year.

I was never ever bannned. I submitted my resignation at the CSN realignment board until the Montana and Idaho are in the Summit because it was just impossible to deal with smart alecks like you that were opposed to coming massive WAC, Summit, and Big Sky changes.

The majority there aren’t open to ̶g̶̶o̶̶o̶̶d̶ stupid ideas.

Fixed it for you.
(06-21-2019 01:34 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-21-2019 12:38 PM)Stugray2 Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-20-2019 10:46 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ]The WAC now falls below the needed seven full DI members. Cal Baptist and Dixie St won’t count for several years.

Grand Canyon, NMSU, UTRGV, Chicago St, Seattle and Utah Valley are the only counters. Bakersfield is leaving. The WAC will only have two years to get back in good graces once UMKC leaves.

Bring in Sam Houston St, Lamar, maybe Incarnate Word and one other Southland fb school, get UTRGV to add fb, and get UCDavis, Cal Poly and Sac St and all fb to go FBS. Utah Valley, Seattle and Dixie St will leave for the Big Sky.

This is not correct. Cal Baptist counts starting 2019-20 for scheduling, so they will be at 7. Only the first yera is a non-counter. The WAC will not fall out of compliance, even if Chicago State shut down tomorrow, because of the 2 year grace period.

Worst case the NCAA gives the WAC a waiver for a year.

Even Chicago State dropping D-I would only impact Tennis, but the WAC has 17 other counting sports, meets all minimums.

BTW, I thought you were banned for trolling. Can the mods check on that?

You are wrong on all counts as usual.

The WAC needs seven full DI members, and CBU won’t be a full member for three more years. That is different than CBU counting as a DI opponent next year.

I was never ever bannned. I submitted my resignation at the CSN realignment board until the Montana and Idaho are in the Summit because it was just impossible to deal with smart alecks like you that were opposed to coming massive WAC, Summit, and Big Sky changes.

The majority there aren’t open to good ideas.

I think it's a good idea to give me $100 million but if you predicted that it would happen tomorrow, I'd say there's essentially zero chance of that happen. Doesn't mean I'm not open to it.
(06-21-2019 01:34 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-21-2019 12:38 PM)Stugray2 Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-20-2019 10:46 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ]The WAC now falls below the needed seven full DI members. Cal Baptist and Dixie St won’t count for several years.

Grand Canyon, NMSU, UTRGV, Chicago St, Seattle and Utah Valley are the only counters. Bakersfield is leaving. The WAC will only have two years to get back in good graces once UMKC leaves.

Bring in Sam Houston St, Lamar, maybe Incarnate Word and one other Southland fb school, get UTRGV to add fb, and get UCDavis, Cal Poly and Sac St and all fb to go FBS. Utah Valley, Seattle and Dixie St will leave for the Big Sky.

This is not correct. Cal Baptist counts starting 2019-20 for scheduling, so they will be at 7. Only the first yera is a non-counter. The WAC will not fall out of compliance, even if Chicago State shut down tomorrow, because of the 2 year grace period.

Worst case the NCAA gives the WAC a waiver for a year.

Even Chicago State dropping D-I would only impact Tennis, but the WAC has 17 other counting sports, meets all minimums.

BTW, I thought you were banned for trolling. Can the mods check on that?

You are wrong on all counts as usual.

The WAC needs seven full DI members, and CBU won’t be a full member for three more years. That is different than CBU counting as a DI opponent next year.

I was never ever bannned. I submitted my resignation at the CSN realignment board until the Montana and Idaho are in the Summit because it was just impossible to deal with smart alecks like you that were opposed to coming massive WAC, Summit, and Big Sky changes.

The majority there aren’t open to good ideas.

You set a deadline your fantasy would happen. It didn't (despite moving the date more times than an End Times Preacher).
(06-21-2019 02:25 PM)dbackjon Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-21-2019 01:34 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-21-2019 12:38 PM)Stugray2 Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-20-2019 10:46 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ]The WAC now falls below the needed seven full DI members. Cal Baptist and Dixie St won’t count for several years.

Grand Canyon, NMSU, UTRGV, Chicago St, Seattle and Utah Valley are the only counters. Bakersfield is leaving. The WAC will only have two years to get back in good graces once UMKC leaves.

Bring in Sam Houston St, Lamar, maybe Incarnate Word and one other Southland fb school, get UTRGV to add fb, and get UCDavis, Cal Poly and Sac St and all fb to go FBS. Utah Valley, Seattle and Dixie St will leave for the Big Sky.

This is not correct. Cal Baptist counts starting 2019-20 for scheduling, so they will be at 7. Only the first yera is a non-counter. The WAC will not fall out of compliance, even if Chicago State shut down tomorrow, because of the 2 year grace period.

Worst case the NCAA gives the WAC a waiver for a year.

Even Chicago State dropping D-I would only impact Tennis, but the WAC has 17 other counting sports, meets all minimums.

BTW, I thought you were banned for trolling. Can the mods check on that?

You are wrong on all counts as usual.

The WAC needs seven full DI members, and CBU won’t be a full member for three more years. That is different than CBU counting as a DI opponent next year.

I was never ever bannned. I submitted my resignation at the CSN realignment board until the Montana and Idaho are in the Summit because it was just impossible to deal with smart alecks like you that were opposed to coming massive WAC, Summit, and Big Sky changes.

The majority there aren’t open to good ideas.

You set a deadline your fantasy would happen. It didn't (despite moving the date more times than an End Times Preacher).
So I deserve crucifixion for being one year early. I see.
What exactly does this mean?

(06-21-2019 02:46 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote: [ -> ]What exactly does this mean?


UMKC's reality as a D1 school.
(06-21-2019 02:28 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-21-2019 02:25 PM)dbackjon Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-21-2019 01:34 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-21-2019 12:38 PM)Stugray2 Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-20-2019 10:46 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ]The WAC now falls below the needed seven full DI members. Cal Baptist and Dixie St won’t count for several years.

Grand Canyon, NMSU, UTRGV, Chicago St, Seattle and Utah Valley are the only counters. Bakersfield is leaving. The WAC will only have two years to get back in good graces once UMKC leaves.

Bring in Sam Houston St, Lamar, maybe Incarnate Word and one other Southland fb school, get UTRGV to add fb, and get UCDavis, Cal Poly and Sac St and all fb to go FBS. Utah Valley, Seattle and Dixie St will leave for the Big Sky.

This is not correct. Cal Baptist counts starting 2019-20 for scheduling, so they will be at 7. Only the first yera is a non-counter. The WAC will not fall out of compliance, even if Chicago State shut down tomorrow, because of the 2 year grace period.

Worst case the NCAA gives the WAC a waiver for a year.

Even Chicago State dropping D-I would only impact Tennis, but the WAC has 17 other counting sports, meets all minimums.

BTW, I thought you were banned for trolling. Can the mods check on that?

You are wrong on all counts as usual.

The WAC needs seven full DI members, and CBU won’t be a full member for three more years. That is different than CBU counting as a DI opponent next year.

I was never ever bannned. I submitted my resignation at the CSN realignment board until the Montana and Idaho are in the Summit because it was just impossible to deal with smart alecks like you that were opposed to coming massive WAC, Summit, and Big Sky changes.

The majority there aren’t open to good ideas.

You set a deadline your fantasy would happen. It didn't (despite moving the date more times than an End Times Preacher).
So I deserve crucifixion for being one year early. I see.


Um, no one cares about UMKC to the Summit. That was obvious. It was the Montana Schools to the Summit (which this makes it harder). You are a year past your original deadline, and almost a year past your second deadline. So no, you are not a year early on anything.
(06-21-2019 02:28 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ]So I deserve crucifixion for being one year early. I see.

You deserve about 14 yellow cards (and thus several reds on accumulation) for persistent infringement.

You also deserve several laughs for "get school X to add football" in an increasingly hostile environment to the sport.

Also, the majority here are correct. The NCAA isn't poised to just whack a conference of its own member institutions... unless they aren't even trying to qualify. It's not just a low bar, it's pretty much a low water dam. The regulations are there to keep things moving, and they're negotiable.

Now, I did say "keep things moving." It's wise to discuss what's realistic, for if you're not trying to make moves as a conference, you're dying. The WAC clearly made some moves, probably in line with the limited options it has. I'm even here to say that some radical regionalization would be wise in the current environment. That doesn't mean it's happening. That doesn't mean that the whole pecking order of schools has suddenly dissembled... there's still a status for being in any given conference in this shambles of a country. There's a reason or two (and I have but mere guesses) for why, say, Portland State hasn't finally abandoned its dreams of upgrading its football program (provided those dreams even exist), killed it, and thus ended up in the WAC.
(06-21-2019 04:06 PM)Pounder Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-21-2019 02:28 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ]So I deserve crucifixion for being one year early. I see.

You deserve about 14 yellow cards (and thus several reds on accumulation) for persistent infringement.

You also deserve several laughs for "get school X to add football" in an increasingly hostile environment to the sport.

Also, the majority here are correct. The NCAA isn't poised to just whack a conference of its own member institutions... unless they aren't even trying to qualify. It's not just a low bar, it's pretty much a low water dam. The regulations are there to keep things moving, and they're negotiable.

Now, I did say "keep things moving." It's wise to discuss what's realistic, for if you're not trying to make moves as a conference, you're dying. The WAC clearly made some moves, probably in line with the limited options it has. I'm even here to say that some radical regionalization would be wise in the current environment. That doesn't mean it's happening. That doesn't mean that the whole pecking order of schools has suddenly dissembled... there's still a status for being in any given conference in this shambles of a country. There's a reason or two (and I have but mere guesses) for why, say, Portland State hasn't finally abandoned its dreams of upgrading its football program (provided those dreams even exist), killed it, and thus ended up in the WAC.

And the WAC clearly has done that - with CBU already in the fold, and Dixie State coming on in 2020.

And if the WAC were to invite another Western DII (CWU, etc), for 2021, that would further demonstrate that the WAC is trying.
(06-20-2019 09:33 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote: [ -> ]What happened to the American?
http://umkcroos.proboards.com/thread/1089/where-belong

Answer found
http://umkcroos.proboards.com/thread/122...mit-league
Quote:We are KANSAS CITY... by far the biggest market in the new conference. So our sights should be set on MoValley in 5 and the American Conference in 10...
LMAO ! Missouri Valley and AAC in the next 10 years. UMKC won’t even play in the NIT during that time.
(06-21-2019 04:06 PM)Pounder Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-21-2019 02:28 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ]So I deserve crucifixion for being one year early. I see.

You deserve about 14 yellow cards (and thus several reds on accumulation) for persistent infringement.

You also deserve several laughs for "get school X to add football" in an increasingly hostile environment to the sport.

Also, the majority here are correct. The NCAA isn't poised to just whack a conference of its own member institutions... unless they aren't even trying to qualify. It's not just a low bar, it's pretty much a low water dam. The regulations are there to keep things moving, and they're negotiable.

Now, I did say "keep things moving." It's wise to discuss what's realistic, for if you're not trying to make moves as a conference, you're dying. The WAC clearly made some moves, probably in line with the limited options it has. I'm even here to say that some radical regionalization would be wise in the current environment. That doesn't mean it's happening. That doesn't mean that the whole pecking order of schools has suddenly dissembled... there's still a status for being in any given conference in this shambles of a country. There's a reason or two (and I have but mere guesses) for why, say, Portland State hasn't finally abandoned its dreams of upgrading its football program (provided those dreams even exist), killed it, and thus ended up in the WAC.

Most of the realignment board deserves red cards for stupidity, but those posters routinely congratulate each other for mediocrity and mutual stupidity.

The only schools that I said will add football at UTRGV and Wichita St, and they have both announced that they are Potentially interested. FCS doesn’t bring much national attention compared to a low level G5 school, and that fact isn’t even acknowledged by most posters.

The NCAA is beholden to the P5’s, which don’t want more autobids from lesser conferences. In fact they want to kill off lesser conferences, so more limiting rules were instituted a decade ago. They let entire conferences from DII move up in the 80’s and 90’s, and now they want just the opposite with new rules.

The only travel partners that the WAC has without a flight between them is Bakersfield and CBU, and Bake is leaving. That makes no financial sense and every president around would be fighting to cut down the flights. My plan does that but it is vehemently opposed by 80% of posters.
(06-21-2019 01:34 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-21-2019 12:38 PM)Stugray2 Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-20-2019 10:46 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ]The WAC now falls below the needed seven full DI members. Cal Baptist and Dixie St won’t count for several years.

Grand Canyon, NMSU, UTRGV, Chicago St, Seattle and Utah Valley are the only counters. Bakersfield is leaving. The WAC will only have two years to get back in good graces once UMKC leaves.

Bring in Sam Houston St, Lamar, maybe Incarnate Word and one other Southland fb school, get UTRGV to add fb, and get UCDavis, Cal Poly and Sac St and all fb to go FBS. Utah Valley, Seattle and Dixie St will leave for the Big Sky.

This is not correct. Cal Baptist counts starting 2019-20 for scheduling, so they will be at 7. Only the first yera is a non-counter. The WAC will not fall out of compliance, even if Chicago State shut down tomorrow, because of the 2 year grace period.

Worst case the NCAA gives the WAC a waiver for a year.

Even Chicago State dropping D-I would only impact Tennis, but the WAC has 17 other counting sports, meets all minimums.

BTW, I thought you were banned for trolling. Can the mods check on that?

You are wrong on all counts as usual.

The WAC needs seven full DI members, and CBU won’t be a full member for three more years. That is different than CBU counting as a DI opponent next year.

I was never ever bannned. I submitted my resignation at the CSN realignment board until the Montana and Idaho are in the Summit because it was just impossible to deal with smart alecks like you that were opposed to coming massive WAC, Summit, and Big Sky changes.

The majority there aren’t open to good ideas.

If I could give rep points, you'd get one from me on this statement. I literally spit my water out on my monitor when reading this comedic gold. Well done. 03-lmfao
(06-21-2019 09:42 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-21-2019 04:06 PM)Pounder Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-21-2019 02:28 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ]So I deserve crucifixion for being one year early. I see.

You deserve about 14 yellow cards (and thus several reds on accumulation) for persistent infringement.

You also deserve several laughs for "get school X to add football" in an increasingly hostile environment to the sport.

Also, the majority here are correct. The NCAA isn't poised to just whack a conference of its own member institutions... unless they aren't even trying to qualify. It's not just a low bar, it's pretty much a low water dam. The regulations are there to keep things moving, and they're negotiable.

Now, I did say "keep things moving." It's wise to discuss what's realistic, for if you're not trying to make moves as a conference, you're dying. The WAC clearly made some moves, probably in line with the limited options it has. I'm even here to say that some radical regionalization would be wise in the current environment. That doesn't mean it's happening. That doesn't mean that the whole pecking order of schools has suddenly dissembled... there's still a status for being in any given conference in this shambles of a country. There's a reason or two (and I have but mere guesses) for why, say, Portland State hasn't finally abandoned its dreams of upgrading its football program (provided those dreams even exist), killed it, and thus ended up in the WAC.

Most of the realignment board deserves red cards for stupidity, but those posters routinely congratulate each other for mediocrity and mutual stupidity.

The only schools that I said will add football at UTRGV and Wichita St, and they have both announced that they are Potentially interested. FCS doesn’t bring much national attention compared to a low level G5 school, and that fact isn’t even acknowledged by most posters.

The NCAA is beholden to the P5’s, which don’t want more autobids from lesser conferences. In fact they want to kill off lesser conferences, so more limiting rules were instituted a decade ago. They let entire conferences from DII move up in the 80’s and 90’s, and now they want just the opposite with new rules.

The only travel partners that the WAC has without a flight between them is Bakersfield and CBU, and Bake is leaving. That makes no financial sense and every president around would be fighting to cut down the flights. My plan does that but it is vehemently opposed by 80% of posters.

And opposed by 100% of University Presidents.
Really need a NW team (Portland st) to match w Seattle and a south Texas (UIW or, should Southland require football of everyone, A&M Corpus) to go with RGV. Do that, and WAC can stabilize. Otherwise, NMSU & GCU need to hold their noses and find a landing spot possibly as a package.
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