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Maybe setting UCF up in neutral site games
Should have been addressed in talks with ESPN

I would love to see Syracuse schedule UCF for a series of home and home games. Way more appealing than the parade of MAC schools we have as G5 opponents. Heck, they're more appealing than Rutgers.

This article isn't wrong, but it is a sloppy opinion piece. No quotes from AD's. No wording from contracts. And, it left out the most obvious factor of all... P5's don't want to schedule home and home series with UCF because most would lose both games in such a series.

I do not like the 2 for 1 deals, or the body-bag games. That is scheduling to stay afloat. G5 programs should be scheduling to become more relevant. Anything less is willingly submitting to a lower brand of college football.

For all the high and mighty talk it doesnt sound like the P6 perception change is happening.

Bowls have stayed a P5 vs P5 thing and the blueblood schools insist on 2 for 1s.

(06-07-2019 08:23 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote: [ -> ]For all the high and mighty talk it doesnt sound like the P6 perception change is happening.

Bowls have stayed a P5 vs P5 thing and the blueblood schools insist on 2 for 1s.

Not sure thats completely fair. Bama hasn’t played an OOC game in an opponents home stadium since 2011 when they played Penn St. They have done a few neutral site games, but no games in the opponents regular home stadium. So getting them in Raymond James is actually pretty impressive.

Bama does have future games planned where they would play in their opponents home stadiums (W Virginia, Texas, Notre Dame, and Oklahoma). USF is the only non-P5 on that list. In fact, USF and W Virginia are the only 2 that are not king pin programs on that list.

You can also schedule quality G5 opponents in the non conference and play that way. That is what Toledo has done with some series. But they have also recently had to take one off games at Kentucky Mich St Norte Dame and OSUvto fill future schedules

UCF can get home games it needs. Just has to get the right partners. This Toledo fan would like to play UCF again but UCF probably won’t schedule 1 for 1.



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(06-07-2019 07:26 AM)orangefan Wrote: [ -> ]I would love to see Syracuse schedule UCF for a series of home and home games. Way more appealing than the parade of MAC schools we have as G5 opponents. Heck, they're more appealing than Rutgers.

A KNIGHT for a KNIGHT but at least the NE alumni for Syracuse can drive to Rutgers and watch an old BE foe after tailgating there. I have sat next to many Syracuse fans in the nosebleed sections of Rutgers stadium and have gotten along fine with them. Syracuse can always play UCF in the new Fenway or the Military Bowls. Looks like the Gasparilla Bowl in Tampa is out in the new cycle with the SEC moving in on that bowl. Don't know the opponent yet as it is not official as to whether the AAC remains there or if the ACC becomes their opponent.

(06-07-2019 08:23 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote: [ -> ]For all the high and mighty talk it doesnt sound like the P6 perception change is happening.

Bowls have stayed a P5 vs P5 thing and the blueblood schools insist on 2 for 1s.

But then and again maybe the P6 change is happening. Why play a top AAC team in a home and home series where you might get beat in front of the home crowd at the P5 stadium. The P5 school would rather whack a MAC, another G5 school, or an FCS school in front of the home crowd to keep them happy in a body bag game. There is no shame in loosing to an Alabama, USC, Auburn, Penn State, Michigan,Texas, or Oklahoma in your home stadium in the one OOC P5 game each P5 conference plays each year. Anger maybe, let down maybe, but not shame after a tough battle with a blueblood at home.

Despite all the pearl clutching and finger pointing, it seems USF isn't preventing non P5 schools from getting home and home series with P5 schools...

USFFan

That article conveniently left out about East Carolina getting a make-up game with NC State after the hurricane. That is what infuriated Virginia Tech and when you read things from VT's viewpoint, you can see why the Hokies were angry. I'm not a VT fan, but I have noticed that most of the time VT treats teams very fair.

(06-07-2019 08:23 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote: [ -> ]This article isn't wrong, but it is a sloppy opinion piece. No quotes from AD's. No wording from contracts. And, it left out the most obvious factor of all... P5's don't want to schedule home and home series with UCF because most would lose both games in such a series.

I do not like the 2 for 1 deals, or the body-bag games. That is scheduling to stay afloat. G5 programs should be scheduling to become more relevant. Anything less is willingly submitting to a lower brand of college football.

Yeah, should have contacted schools for quotes. If it was a money grab like the author supposes, both schools would just play buy games. I don’t like that it had to be that way to get Ark. into the LB, but that’s what it took to make it happen. Supposedly a b-ball series is in the works as well. There are some P5s willing to schedule G5 h&h and others that won’t regardless of the state of their team (12-0 or 0-12). I don’t think this will be the only one for Memphis either. Pres. Rudd chastised the previous AD for the lack of P5 home games and changed scheduling philosophies from only accepting h&h to 2 for 1s on a case by case basis.

AAC teams have no trouble getting home-and-home games with low-end P5s.

But when an AAC team with a 45,000 seat stadium wants to play Alabama or Notre Dame, why would anyone expect a home-and-home?

Notre Dame is giving UC $1.2 million to play a body bag game in 2021. It's guaranteed to be on national TV. We do this every other year (Tennessee in 2011, Ohio State in 2014, Michigan in 2017, Ohio State in 2019). Why would UC say no to that and insist on a return game where we'd make half the money and be less likely to be on national TV? Why would Notre Dame or Ohio State agree to making less money and getting less coverage?

It's the same reason schools do neutral site games: the revenue and tv coverage are both bigger when you play at a bigger venue.

Florida needs to stop having hurricanes so that UCF can complete their full P5 OOC schedule. What are the odds that Stanford @ UCF is cancelled this September?

(06-07-2019 08:23 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote: [ -> ]This article isn't wrong, but it is a sloppy opinion piece. No quotes from AD's. No wording from contracts. And, it left out the most obvious factor of all... P5's don't want to schedule home and home series with UCF because most would lose both games in such a series.

I do not like the 2 for 1 deals, or the body-bag games. That is scheduling to stay afloat. G5 programs should be scheduling to become more relevant. Anything less is willingly submitting to a lower brand of college football.

The article is wrong and it is a sloppy UCF homer piece.

"There’s not a ton of benefit for power conference teams to schedule a home-and-home with UCF. If they lose, their season is over, for losing to a ‘Group of 5’ school, but it isn’t a great win on their schedule, again because UCF is G5. UCF is also not an easy team to beat, especially in their Bounce House. The heat and crowd are devastating. There’s also no extra benefit, in terms of visibility or money, to playing an AAC team.

In short, why would anyone want to play UCF?"

I don't think anyone is trying to avoid UCF. It is nice that UCF has played so well the past two seasons, but they are not in the same league with a school like Florida. UCF does not have the same level of talent as Florida. In the last four NFL drafts, UCF has had six players selected. Florida has had 25 players selected in the NFL Draft over the past four years.

UCF was 0-12 in 2015. They went 6-7 in 2016. UCF went 0-11 in 2004. The best G5 program over the past twenty years has been Boise State. They are 217-44 over the past 20 years, with at least 8 wins in every season. They recently accepted a 2-for-1 with Oregon, with two games at Eugene. Boise State will receive an $800,000 guarantee for the extra road game. Boise State has Oklahoma State coming to Boise in 2020, Florida State in 2021 and Michigan State in 2022, all as part of home-and-home games. G5 schools do what they have to do to get quality games at home.

USF just recently arranged a home-and-home with Boise State. That would have been a great home-and-home series for UCF. USF is 6-4 against UCF. I just don't see the greatness of the UCF football program. They have had two terrific seasons, but can they sustain it?

On the money games, I have never seen a problem with them. For example, New Mexico is playing at Notre Dame in 2019. They will get paid $1.1 million to appear on NBC television in a venue with a lot of history and tradition. This is why a team plays money games.

Why would a school such as Penn State schedule UCF for a 1-1? What’s there to gain? Exposure? They can schedule Florida, Florida State and Miami for that. They can do the same with Texas, Texas A&M, USC and UCLA if it’s all about exposure to potential recruits. Beaver Stadium has almost triple the capacity of UCF’s stadium, why would PSU give up a home game to play UCF on the road?

The hard truth is that G5 schools can expect a 1-1 with middle to lower P5 programs. UCF scheduling Georgia Tech, Stanford and Pitt is realistic but trying to get a blue blood for a 1-1 is not. This is the reason why I respect Boise State. They have that any team, anywhere mentality and it’s the reason they earned their reputation and became the G5 media darling.

(06-07-2019 08:23 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote: [ -> ]This article isn't wrong, but it is a sloppy opinion piece. No quotes from AD's. No wording from contracts. And, it left out the most obvious factor of all... P5's don't want to schedule home and home series with UCF because most would lose both games in such a series.

I do not like the 2 for 1 deals, or the body-bag games. That is scheduling to stay afloat. G5 programs should be scheduling to become more relevant. Anything less is willingly submitting to a lower brand of college football.

Painting with a very broad brush there.

Clemson isn't going to schedule a home and home with UCF for the simple fact that it provides absolutely no benefit for Clemson. We make more money playing P5 teams OOC than we would ever make playing UCF, and we get all the Florida exposure we need playing FSU every year. Besides, why would we give them a home and home when we can get a buy game from one of their conference mates? (UConn in 2021)

(06-07-2019 04:29 PM)Kaplony Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-07-2019 08:23 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote: [ -> ]This article isn't wrong, but it is a sloppy opinion piece. No quotes from AD's. No wording from contracts. And, it left out the most obvious factor of all... P5's don't want to schedule home and home series with UCF because most would lose both games in such a series.

I do not like the 2 for 1 deals, or the body-bag games. That is scheduling to stay afloat. G5 programs should be scheduling to become more relevant. Anything less is willingly submitting to a lower brand of college football.

Painting with a very broad brush there.

Clemson isn't going to schedule a home and home with UCF for the simple fact that it provides absolutely no benefit for Clemson. We make more money playing P5 teams OOC than we would ever make playing UCF, and we get all the Florida exposure we need playing FSU every year. Besides, why would we give them a home and home when we can get a buy game from one of their conference mates? (UConn in 2021)

Right now there are about 10 to maybe 15 programs that can handle UCF, and Clemson is certainly one. But, most P5 programs have no interest in playing them because they would probably lose.

As I stated in my previous post, I am totally against signing "body-bag" and "2 for 1" games. North Texas no longer signs those types of games, and our schedules will be much better for it in a few seasons. Our AD has successfully signed home and home series with Cal, Texas Tech, and Baylor. I'll take those types of series over whoring out our program to the likes of Texas and Oklahoma every season.

(06-07-2019 08:23 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote: [ -> ]This article isn't wrong, but it is a sloppy opinion piece. No quotes from AD's. No wording from contracts. And, it left out the most obvious factor of all... P5's don't want to schedule home and home series with UCF because most would lose both games in such a series.

Not sure why you would say that. In the past four seasons, UCF's record vs P5 opponents is:

2018: 1-1
2017: 2-0
2016: 0-2
2015: 0-2

So any UCF player who just graduated or otherwise finished his eligibility went 3-5 vs P5 teams.

The three wins were against 4-8 Maryland, 9-4 Auburn, and 7-7 Pitt. Not exactly a murderer's row.

If you want to extend it back to 2013, so as to bring in the Fiesta Bowl winning season and the entirety of their time in the AAC, their record is:

2014: 0-3
2013: 2-1

Overall, since joining the AAC, the Golden Knights are 5-9 vs P5 opponents. So i'm not sure why most would be shivering at the prospect of playing UCF.

(06-07-2019 04:52 PM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-07-2019 08:23 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote: [ -> ]This article isn't wrong, but it is a sloppy opinion piece. No quotes from AD's. No wording from contracts. And, it left out the most obvious factor of all... P5's don't want to schedule home and home series with UCF because most would lose both games in such a series.

Not sure why you would say that. In the past four seasons, UCF's record vs P5 opponents is:

2018: 1-1
2017: 2-0
2016: 0-2
2015: 0-2

So any UCF player who just graduated or otherwise finished his eligibility went 3-5 vs P5 teams.

The three wins were against 4-8 Maryland, 9-4 Auburn, and 7-7 Pitt. Not exactly a murderer's row.

If you want to extend it back to 2013, so as to bring in the Fiesta Bowl winning season and the entirety of their time in the AAC, their record is:

2014: 0-3
2013: 2-1

Overall, since joining the AAC, the Golden Knights are 5-9 vs P5 opponents. So i'm not sure why most would be shivering at the prospect of playing UCF.

I'm talking about the last 2 season. In 2016 UCF was not the program they are now. They were a 6-7 program that lost their bowl game to Arkansas State.

Sure LSU took care of them in their bowl last year. But like I said, right now there are only a handful of P5's that could beat them.