Excuse me if I don't shed a tear for college basketball coaches' plight with the transfer portal.
I have a feeling in five years, coaches will adjust their recruiting to find better fits and players will realize that transferring carries numerous negatives and will adjust their expectations and be more careful in committing to a program.
I think the transfer portal is bad for the game overall.
If a player graduates before their eligibility is over, and if their coach leaves, I see the value in transferring. Otherwise, we need stability for both the student's well-being and the long term health of college basketball.
Let's do this:
1. allow a player to go to the NBA straight out of high school, and if he isn't drafted he retains his collegiate eligibility.
2. If a player attends college, they must stay for 3 years before being eligible for NBA.
3. A player can leave college to play professional overseas at any time, forfeiting the remainder of collegiate eligibility.
4. If a coach leaves the program, the player can transfer immediately without having to sit out a year.
5. If a player graduates before their eligibility, they can transfer immediately without having to sit out a year if they attend graduate school. If the graduate student doesn't finish their graduate degree within two years, the school is penalized a scholarship for the next year.
6. Otherwise, a player must sit out a year if they transfer- period. No waivers.
7. Eliminate the transfer portal mechanism, but maintain the rule that a player can choose to go anywhere without restrictions being placed on it by the former school.
8. Let the schools with the means pay certain players. Let those schools choose who to pay and who not to pay, and how much to pay. The players must choose between being paid and getting a scholarship, since they obviously don't see the value in a college scholarship now. This would also encourage students to get good grades in high school in order to get college paid for through academic scholarships instead of athletic scholarships.
9. Any program who has more than half of their athletes majoring or graduating in interdisciplinary studies is penalized a scholarship. I don't think many understand how common this is, or how common it is to have the students under this umbrella until the very end of their academic career (after their athletic career is over), and then switch to a major that they aren't in a position to finish in time.
The above situation allows for the best athletes to not be exploited by their schools, beefs up the focus on quality academics, and stabilizes the game.
(05-31-2019 06:44 AM)etsubuc Wrote: [ -> ]9. Any program who has more than half of their athletes majoring or graduating in interdisciplinary studies is penalized a scholarship.
Interdisciplinary studies is often the major that was previously referred to as elementary education or just education. Interdisciplinary Studies is a major that often leads to various teaching licenses. IS-pre-k-6, IS 6-8, etc. That is the case at the Virginia college where I previously worked, that is the case at MTSU, etc.
I think you mean General Studies.
(05-31-2019 09:02 AM)BucDoctor Wrote: [ -> ] (05-31-2019 06:44 AM)etsubuc Wrote: [ -> ]9. Any program who has more than half of their athletes majoring or graduating in interdisciplinary studies is penalized a scholarship.
Interdisciplinary studies is often the major that was previously referred to as elementary education or just education. Interdisciplinary Studies is a major that often leads to various teaching licenses. IS-pre-k-6, IS 6-8, etc. That is the case at the Virginia college where I previously worked, that is the case at MTSU, etc.
I think you mean General Studies.
Why penalize a program/player for getting a degree of any kind, at least they graduated. Also Enterprise needs counter people and baristas at Starbucks. The degree might not be great but at least they got it, regular students pull the same crap.
also I agree with BucDoctor, you got the wrong major, My wife graduated with a degree in Interdisciplinary studies to go into teaching.
At ETSU, an "IS" degree is basically the gen. ed., 12 hours in any two subject areas, the normal 120 credit hours that everyone has to reach, and a capstone project.
Whatever the proper name at each institution, there should be something in place to ensure that colleges arent getting around the academic progress rules by placing athletes in programs that you would never recommend if not for the sole purpose of keeping an athlete eligible.
(05-31-2019 09:17 AM)etsubuc Wrote: [ -> ]At ETSU, an "IS" degree is basically the gen. ed., 12 hours in any two subject areas, the normal 120 credit hours that everyone has to reach, and a capstone project.
Whatever the proper name at each institution, there should be something in place to ensure that colleges arent getting around the academic progress rules by placing athletes in programs that you would never recommend if not for the sole purpose of keeping an athlete eligible.
I agree but targeting a particular degree "name" is not the way to address it.
(05-31-2019 09:17 AM)etsubuc Wrote: [ -> ]At ETSU, an "IS" degree is basically the gen. ed., 12 hours in any two subject areas, the normal 120 credit hours that everyone has to reach, and a capstone project.
Whatever the proper name at each institution, there should be something in place to ensure that colleges arent getting around the academic progress rules by placing athletes in programs that you would never recommend if not for the sole purpose of keeping an athlete eligible.
It would not be fair that an athlete to get punished for getting a degree that any student can get.
(05-31-2019 09:17 AM)etsubuc Wrote: [ -> ]At ETSU, an "IS" degree is basically the gen. ed., 12 hours in any two subject areas, the normal 120 credit hours that everyone has to reach, and a capstone project.
Whatever the proper name at each institution, there should be something in place to ensure that colleges arent getting around the academic progress rules by placing athletes in programs that you would never recommend if not for the sole purpose of keeping an athlete eligible.
See UNC-Chapel Hill. They have this “keeping them eligible” down to a fine art, so fine as to breeze through an NCAA “investigation”. Back in the day, Underwater Basket Weaving was the ideal eligibility major. Let’s face it, some of these things are a farce but political correctness and pretentiousness prevents saying so.
(05-31-2019 10:06 AM)brock20 Wrote: [ -> ] (05-31-2019 09:17 AM)etsubuc Wrote: [ -> ]At ETSU, an "IS" degree is basically the gen. ed., 12 hours in any two subject areas, the normal 120 credit hours that everyone has to reach, and a capstone project.
Whatever the proper name at each institution, there should be something in place to ensure that colleges arent getting around the academic progress rules by placing athletes in programs that you would never recommend if not for the sole purpose of keeping an athlete eligible.
It would not be fair that an athlete to get punished for getting a degree that any student can get.
It isn't fair to punish, but it also isn't fair to exploit them by creating phantom majors. Think the UNC scandal.
(05-31-2019 10:16 AM)BucDoctor Wrote: [ -> ] (05-31-2019 10:06 AM)brock20 Wrote: [ -> ] (05-31-2019 09:17 AM)etsubuc Wrote: [ -> ]At ETSU, an "IS" degree is basically the gen. ed., 12 hours in any two subject areas, the normal 120 credit hours that everyone has to reach, and a capstone project.
Whatever the proper name at each institution, there should be something in place to ensure that colleges arent getting around the academic progress rules by placing athletes in programs that you would never recommend if not for the sole purpose of keeping an athlete eligible.
It would not be fair that an athlete to get punished for getting a degree that any student can get.
It isn't fair to punish, but it also isn't fair to exploit them by creating phantom majors. Think the UNC scandal.
That's on the school, not the athlete.
I really didnt mean for that part of my post to cause a stir and get us off the topic of the transfer portal, but things do need to be addressed on a larger scale as everything ties into each other. For some reason, basketball and football has more issues with transfers than other sports, and I think the rules for basketball should be more like baseball.
In regards to the academics, the goal should be to improve lives after the sports are over. By systematically placing players in useless degrees, we are simply using them rather than helping them. Of course an individual player should not be punished for majoring in anything they wish, but if more than half (or whatever percentage is deemed appropriate) of a program's players are majoring in obviously useless degrees, that indicates a systematic issue rather than student choice and the program (not the player) should be punished in some way. As some have pointed out, the logistics of doing so are difficult.
(05-31-2019 10:06 AM)brock20 Wrote: [ -> ] (05-31-2019 09:17 AM)etsubuc Wrote: [ -> ]At ETSU, an "IS" degree is basically the gen. ed., 12 hours in any two subject areas, the normal 120 credit hours that everyone has to reach, and a capstone project.
Whatever the proper name at each institution, there should be something in place to ensure that colleges arent getting around the academic progress rules by placing athletes in programs that you would never recommend if not for the sole purpose of keeping an athlete eligible.
It would not be fair that an athlete to get punished for getting a degree that any student can get.
This
(05-31-2019 11:10 AM)etsubuc Wrote: [ -> ]I really didnt mean for that part of my post to cause a stir and get us off the topic of the transfer portal, but things do need to be addressed on a larger scale as everything ties into each other. For some reason, basketball and football has more issues with transfers than other sports, and I think the rules for basketball should be more like baseball.
More money in those sports, more of a need to getting playing time/ be seen for next level. Other sports it is free money for a degree so no reason not to stay loyal.
Baseball is different in that the really goods one usually don't go to college anyway
and if they do go to college they have to stay 3 years, adding a transfer year would just slow them down.
Apples and oranges.
Rod, my idea is that the really good basketball players go pro (G league, NBA, overseas, whatever) and that if you go to college you have to stay 3 years just like baseball. Then its not so much apples to oranges.
For the elite athletes, there is more money in baseball than football or basketball. The result of the above would be watering down the college game (as is has for baseball), which I am fine with if it causes more equality for players as well as stability for college fanbases.
(05-31-2019 11:10 AM)etsubuc Wrote: [ -> ]By systematically placing players in useless degrees, we are simply using them rather than helping them. Of course an individual player should not be punished for majoring in anything they wish, but if more than half (or whatever percentage is deemed appropriate) of a program's players are majoring in obviously useless degrees, that indicates a systematic issue rather than student choice and the program (not the player) should be punished in some way.
You cant do this. You may be right that a degree is "useless" but it is still a legit degree from the college that any student can get. If there were special degrees that only athletes could get you would have a point. If you want to get rid of useless degree programs I am all for that, but dont hold the athlete to a higher academic standard than the rest of the student population.
(05-31-2019 12:30 PM)brock20 Wrote: [ -> ] (05-31-2019 11:10 AM)etsubuc Wrote: [ -> ]By systematically placing players in useless degrees, we are simply using them rather than helping them. Of course an individual player should not be punished for majoring in anything they wish, but if more than half (or whatever percentage is deemed appropriate) of a program's players are majoring in obviously useless degrees, that indicates a systematic issue rather than student choice and the program (not the player) should be punished in some way.
You cant do this. You may be right that a degree is "useless" but it is still a legit degree from the college that any student can get. If there were special degrees that only athletes could get you would have a point. If you want to get rid of useless degree programs I am all for that, but dont hold the athlete to a higher academic standard than the rest of the student population.
Again, This
You might be right- maybe it isnt possible. If it isnt, then the NCAA needs to go the other direction, everyone is eligible as long as they arent on suspension status. The way the academic progress is calculated is one of the reasons why athletes are pushed into those types of degrees. In the larger schools, its also why all the tough classes are reserved for after the student's sport is over (especially Fall sports). These schools do this to keep the athlete eligible, then once the senior season is over they are left with the tough classes all at once. This puts students in a position to fail. I dont blame the schools for this, they are playing within the rules of NCAA. Similarly, its why the one and done basketball students only really have to succeed in 1 semester of classes in the Fall, because by the time the grades are in for Spring semester they are already done with their basketball career at the school. These things make a joke of college, and are the fault of the NCAA along with certain unethical athletic programs. Let them go pro if they dont care about school.
(05-31-2019 01:07 PM)etsubuc Wrote: [ -> ]. Let them go pro if they dont care about school.
It is the NBA not the NCAA that is preventing it
(05-31-2019 01:31 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote: [ -> ] (05-31-2019 01:07 PM)etsubuc Wrote: [ -> ]. Let them go pro if they dont care about school.
It is the NBA not the NCAA that is preventing it
Supposedly only for a few more years. The NBA will be dropping that rule soon, probably by 2022. Once that is done, it will be up to the NCAA to allow eligibility for those who go undrafted.