Overall, C-USA programs don't get much respect. I don't agree with FAU being ranked where they are while FIU is considerably further behind them. To me, those programs are very similar right now. Also, I think UAB is too low. Maybe the writer should have considered the actual pay at each program too.
Here are the rankings....
78- Marshall
83- LA Tech
84- FAU
85- Southern Miss
90- North Texas
97- Middle Tennessee
106- UAB
109-FIU
110- Charlotte
112- UTSA
113- ODU
114- WKU
119- UTEP
124- Rice
https://athlonsports.com/college-footbal...-jobs-2019
Trying to figure out the Charlotte one... but they are all a coin flip past them so
I think there are three things I would look at.
(1) salary
(2) number of coaches a school has had
(3) if coaches move on after they are done at a school
Rice has had 5 coaches in 30 years (kind of misleading because right now Todd Graham and Mike Bloomgren are one year each). They went to Duke (Goldsmith), Tulsa, Pitt, Arizona State (all one guy - Todd Graham) and TAMU-Commerce (Bailiff) after leaving Rice (one retired - Hatfield). If that's the sixth worst head coaching job in D1 college football, then that's a helluva job to get at any school.
I could probably find a number of schools on that list where most of the previous head coaches never was a head coach again.
(05-07-2019 11:41 PM)Jack Bauer Wrote: [ -> ]Trying to figure out the Charlotte one... but they are all a coin flip past them so
clt agrees. We should be much higher on the list. Maybe 35 or so right now.
Seems really low for WKU, I think only way to go is up for WKU. I don't get the recruiting base is weakest comment. We have recruited Flordia hard since Jon Harbaugh was helping us out in mid 90s. Kentucky especially Louisville produces some underrated talent. I don't think talent was the issue the past two seasons. Coaching and schemes was our main issue last two years....I will agree about crowds, BG is not really a football hotbed even when we are good unless we get a SEC or Big Ten team to Smith Stadium we do not draw....
(05-08-2019 06:00 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote: [ -> ]I think there are three things I would look at.
(1) salary
(2) number of coaches a school has had
(3) if coaches move on after they are done at a school
Rice has had 5 coaches in 30 years (kind of misleading because right now Todd Graham and Mike Bloomgren are one year each). They went to Duke (Goldsmith), Tulsa, Pitt, Arizona State (all one guy - Todd Graham) and TAMU-Commerce (Bailiff) after leaving Rice (one retired - Hatfield). If that's the sixth worst head coaching job in D1 college football, then that's a helluva job to get at any school.
I could probably find a number of schools on that list where most of the previous head coaches never was a head coach again.
You know lists like these are hyperbole when they rank private schools that low. Job security, institutional funding initiatives, access to the brass, benefits...no job at a public school outside the cartel can really compare.
(05-07-2019 11:41 PM)Jack Bauer Wrote: [ -> ]Trying to figure out the Charlotte one... but they are all a coin flip past them so
https://www.underdogdynasty.com/2019/5/6...ny-sanchez
Quote:Located in the Queen City, the crown jewel of Conference USA may very well be the Charlotte 49ers.
Overall: 6
If FIU is just becoming an adult at 18, Charlotte is just entering the second grade. Entering their eighth year of existence (5th in FBS), the Niners are 25-52.
However, last season’s five-win campaign gave room for hope for a few reasons.
First, the team was able to compete for a bowl without consistent quarterback play. Second, Ben Lemay established himself as arguably the top rusher in C-USA. Third, the defense excelled and returns various key pieces.
Head Coach: 7
Will Healy looks to continue his success at Charlotte. Will Healy is a rising star in the coaching ranks, whose relative inexperience is fitting for the youthful program.
The 34-year-old former Richmond Spiders quarterback is 13-21 as a collegiate head coach.
While the record is nothing exceptional, the key is in the details.
Healy took an Austin Peay program that had one victory in its previous four seasons to an eight-win campaign in 2017.
He brings youth and enthusiasm to a program, that, quite frankly, may need a shot in the arm after Brad Lambert’s seven seasons.
Location: 1
Charlotte tops my list, because it’s the perfect blend of location and recruiting grounds. The Queen City is one of the fastest growing cities in America, but still holds a rural feel to it.
When I covered the FIU/Charlotte game last season, I was struck by how appealing the campus was, tucked about 30 minutes away from Charlotte-Douglas International Airport.
In the 2019 NFL Draft, the usual states were represented.
In order, the states that boasted the most draft picks were: Florida, Texas, California, Georgia and Ohio. But closely following was North Carolina, which had nine players selected.
The point is, if Healy can recruit Charlotte and the rest of the Tar Heel state well, he’ll have hit the proverbial gold mine.
Stadium/Facilities: 2
Jerry Richardson Stadium seats just over 15,000 people, and at six years old, is an underrated facility with great potential.
The stadium does get loud and, because of its small capacity, provides a very intimate feel.
The football field house and offices are housed at Jerry Richardson Stadium and are top-notch.
This isn't the only article out there from professionals that realize Charlotte is figuratively sitting on a football gold mine. With the right leadership in place, and so far Mike Hill seems to be that right leader, Charlotte has unlimited potential at the G5 level.
(05-08-2019 07:01 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote: [ -> ]Seems really low for WKU, I think only way to go is up for WKU. I don't get the recruiting base is weakest comment. We have recruited Flordia hard since Jon Harbaugh was helping us out in mid 90s. Kentucky especially Louisville produces some underrated talent. I don't think talent was the issue the past two seasons. Coaching and schemes was our main issue last two years....I will agree about crowds, BG is not really a football hotbed even when we are good unless we get a SEC or Big Ten team to Smith Stadium we do not draw....
At least Western's attendance is made up of real people sitting in seats. Not make believe fans. How can recruiting be a problem when 3 different coaches won 7,7,8,8,12 and 11 games along with 2 conference championships. I guess this person believes the rating system means you have the best talent. If that's the case S.Miss and Marshall would have a handful of conference championships. When 3 of your last 4 coaches are making around 20 million a year between them. Western is a good place to work till that pay check comes in.
well I guess those are not important as total expenses or taking Peay to a 8 win season. Or what you did 24 years ago because only a idiot would put today's S.Miss that high. Today's S.Miss program is not close to what they were in the past, in any way. It took a compete idiot not to win 7 or 8 games at Western the past two years, A fired idiot
If UNCC and ODU are sitting in hotbeds of recruiting. Why are both usually towards the bottom of CUSA in ratings?
2019
ODU 12
UNCC 14
2018
ODU 13
UNCC 11
2017
ODU 13
UNCC 10
2016
ODU 12
UNCC 11
(05-08-2019 09:58 AM)WKUYG Wrote: [ -> ] (05-08-2019 07:01 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote: [ -> ]Seems really low for WKU, I think only way to go is up for WKU. I don't get the recruiting base is weakest comment. We have recruited Flordia hard since Jon Harbaugh was helping us out in mid 90s. Kentucky especially Louisville produces some underrated talent. I don't think talent was the issue the past two seasons. Coaching and schemes was our main issue last two years....I will agree about crowds, BG is not really a football hotbed even when we are good unless we get a SEC or Big Ten team to Smith Stadium we do not draw....
At least Western's attendance is made up of real people sitting in seats. Not make believe fans. How can recruiting be a problem when 3 different coaches won 7,7,8,8,12 and 11 games along with 2 conference championships. I guess this person believes the rating system means you have the best talent. If that's the case S.Miss and Marshall would have a handful of conference championships. When 3 of your last 4 coaches are making around 20 million a year between them. Western is a good place to work till that pay check comes in.
well I guess those are not important as total expenses or taking Peay to a 8 win season. Or what you did 24 years ago because only a idiot would put today's S.Miss that high. Today's S.Miss program is not close to what they were in the past, in any way. It took a compete idiot not to win 7 or 8 games at Western the past two years, A fired idiot
If UNCC and ODU are sitting in hotbeds of recruiting. Why are both usually towards the bottom of CUSA in ratings?
2019
ODU 12
UNCC 14
2018
ODU 13
UNCC 11
2017
ODU 13
UNCC 10
2016
ODU 12
UNCC 11
I don't know about Charlotte but ODU has issues to sort.
1. Outdated and small stadium even high school kids say bleh..
2. Coaches that really are not FBS level
3. Area with a huge transient population with a lot of people with no real connection to the area or the school and kids trying to move away from home area to go somewhere not 757.
yada yada yada....
(05-08-2019 09:58 AM)WKUYG Wrote: [ -> ] (05-08-2019 07:01 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote: [ -> ]Seems really low for WKU, I think only way to go is up for WKU. I don't get the recruiting base is weakest comment. We have recruited Flordia hard since Jon Harbaugh was helping us out in mid 90s. Kentucky especially Louisville produces some underrated talent. I don't think talent was the issue the past two seasons. Coaching and schemes was our main issue last two years....I will agree about crowds, BG is not really a football hotbed even when we are good unless we get a SEC or Big Ten team to Smith Stadium we do not draw....
At least Western's attendance is made up of real people sitting in seats. Not make believe fans. How can recruiting be a problem when 3 different coaches won 7,7,8,8,12 and 11 games along with 2 conference championships. I guess this person believes the rating system means you have the best talent. If that's the case S.Miss and Marshall would have a handful of conference championships. When 3 of your last 4 coaches are making around 20 million a year between them. Western is a good place to work till that pay check comes in.
well I guess those are not important as total expenses or taking Peay to a 8 win season. Or what you did 24 years ago because only a idiot would put today's S.Miss that high. Today's S.Miss program is not close to what they were in the past, in any way. It took a compete idiot not to win 7 or 8 games at Western the past two years, A fired idiot
If UNCC and ODU are sitting in hotbeds of recruiting. Why are both usually towards the bottom of CUSA in ratings?
2019
ODU 12
UNCC 14
2018
ODU 13
UNCC 11
2017
ODU 13
UNCC 10
2016
ODU 12
UNCC 11
Can't speak for ODU but Lambert and his staff were horrible recruiters...even worse locally. Healy is the anti-Lambert, the attitude surrounding the program has done a 180 and local coaches are taking notice.
(05-08-2019 11:06 AM)wh49er Wrote: [ -> ] (05-08-2019 09:58 AM)WKUYG Wrote: [ -> ] (05-08-2019 07:01 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote: [ -> ]Seems really low for WKU, I think only way to go is up for WKU. I don't get the recruiting base is weakest comment. We have recruited Flordia hard since Jon Harbaugh was helping us out in mid 90s. Kentucky especially Louisville produces some underrated talent. I don't think talent was the issue the past two seasons. Coaching and schemes was our main issue last two years....I will agree about crowds, BG is not really a football hotbed even when we are good unless we get a SEC or Big Ten team to Smith Stadium we do not draw....
At least Western's attendance is made up of real people sitting in seats. Not make believe fans. How can recruiting be a problem when 3 different coaches won 7,7,8,8,12 and 11 games along with 2 conference championships. I guess this person believes the rating system means you have the best talent. If that's the case S.Miss and Marshall would have a handful of conference championships. When 3 of your last 4 coaches are making around 20 million a year between them. Western is a good place to work till that pay check comes in.
well I guess those are not important as total expenses or taking Peay to a 8 win season. Or what you did 24 years ago because only a idiot would put today's S.Miss that high. Today's S.Miss program is not close to what they were in the past, in any way. It took a compete idiot not to win 7 or 8 games at Western the past two years, A fired idiot
If UNCC and ODU are sitting in hotbeds of recruiting. Why are both usually towards the bottom of CUSA in ratings?
2019
ODU 12
UNCC 14
2018
ODU 13
UNCC 11
2017
ODU 13
UNCC 10
2016
ODU 12
UNCC 11
Can't speak for ODU but Lambert and his staff were horrible recruiters...even worse locally. Healy is the anti-Lambert, the attitude surrounding the program has done a 180 and local coaches are taking notice.
This really can't be understated. In his 8 years (6 seasons) at our helm, Lambert's staff went from welcomed additions to the local recruiting scene to getting trashed talked by local HS HCs on social media. I'm not sure all the blame can be put at Lambert's feet since the local HS HCs might have had unreasonable expectations and just became bitter over the dealings, but he had definitely allowed a toxic atmosphere to develop with the local HSs, and that's all on him.
(05-08-2019 12:37 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote: [ -> ] (05-08-2019 11:06 AM)wh49er Wrote: [ -> ] (05-08-2019 09:58 AM)WKUYG Wrote: [ -> ] (05-08-2019 07:01 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote: [ -> ]Seems really low for WKU, I think only way to go is up for WKU. I don't get the recruiting base is weakest comment. We have recruited Flordia hard since Jon Harbaugh was helping us out in mid 90s. Kentucky especially Louisville produces some underrated talent. I don't think talent was the issue the past two seasons. Coaching and schemes was our main issue last two years....I will agree about crowds, BG is not really a football hotbed even when we are good unless we get a SEC or Big Ten team to Smith Stadium we do not draw....
At least Western's attendance is made up of real people sitting in seats. Not make believe fans. How can recruiting be a problem when 3 different coaches won 7,7,8,8,12 and 11 games along with 2 conference championships. I guess this person believes the rating system means you have the best talent. If that's the case S.Miss and Marshall would have a handful of conference championships. When 3 of your last 4 coaches are making around 20 million a year between them. Western is a good place to work till that pay check comes in.
well I guess those are not important as total expenses or taking Peay to a 8 win season. Or what you did 24 years ago because only a idiot would put today's S.Miss that high. Today's S.Miss program is not close to what they were in the past, in any way. It took a compete idiot not to win 7 or 8 games at Western the past two years, A fired idiot
If UNCC and ODU are sitting in hotbeds of recruiting. Why are both usually towards the bottom of CUSA in ratings?
2019
ODU 12
UNCC 14
2018
ODU 13
UNCC 11
2017
ODU 13
UNCC 10
2016
ODU 12
UNCC 11
Can't speak for ODU but Lambert and his staff were horrible recruiters...even worse locally. Healy is the anti-Lambert, the attitude surrounding the program has done a 180 and local coaches are taking notice.
This really can't be understated. In his 8 years (6 seasons) at our helm, Lambert's staff went from welcomed additions to the local recruiting scene to getting trashed talked by local HS HCs on social media. I'm not sure all the blame can be put at Lambert's feet since the local HS HCs might have had unreasonable expectations and just became bitter over the dealings, but he had definitely allowed a toxic atmosphere to develop with the local HSs, and that's all on him.
Got examples of kids that played at local HS's that Lambert did not recruit, or get, that were difference makers? Not talking about kids that were recruited by a handful of P5 schools and signed with one. Players UNCC had a good chance at signing but didnt.
I did a 247 search and there were 9 Charlotte HS players listed for 2018. Below are the schools the player signed with
UNC
USC(jr)
UGA
Missouri
Stanford
Duke
NCST
ECU
Jawan Tate 3STAR no school listed
2017 10 players listed
UNC
UF
OU
VTECH
NCST
USC(jr)
OU
VTech
Jacobe Clement & Keshaun Abel no school listed
2016 9 players listed
Fla St
ND
NCST
UNC
WF
Duke
Pitt
Duke
Colorado St
Seems to me recruiting the local hs would not be a payoff for UNCC. Of course you put the time in but at some point you learn your place in the pecking order. So were the HS coaches upset because they thought UNCC hould have gave a scholarship to? If that's the case Lambert's staff was correct...no one else gave those kids a FBS scholarship
(05-08-2019 01:38 PM)WKUYG Wrote: [ -> ] (05-08-2019 12:37 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote: [ -> ] (05-08-2019 11:06 AM)wh49er Wrote: [ -> ] (05-08-2019 09:58 AM)WKUYG Wrote: [ -> ] (05-08-2019 07:01 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote: [ -> ]Seems really low for WKU, I think only way to go is up for WKU. I don't get the recruiting base is weakest comment. We have recruited Flordia hard since Jon Harbaugh was helping us out in mid 90s. Kentucky especially Louisville produces some underrated talent. I don't think talent was the issue the past two seasons. Coaching and schemes was our main issue last two years....I will agree about crowds, BG is not really a football hotbed even when we are good unless we get a SEC or Big Ten team to Smith Stadium we do not draw....
At least Western's attendance is made up of real people sitting in seats. Not make believe fans. How can recruiting be a problem when 3 different coaches won 7,7,8,8,12 and 11 games along with 2 conference championships. I guess this person believes the rating system means you have the best talent. If that's the case S.Miss and Marshall would have a handful of conference championships. When 3 of your last 4 coaches are making around 20 million a year between them. Western is a good place to work till that pay check comes in.
well I guess those are not important as total expenses or taking Peay to a 8 win season. Or what you did 24 years ago because only a idiot would put today's S.Miss that high. Today's S.Miss program is not close to what they were in the past, in any way. It took a compete idiot not to win 7 or 8 games at Western the past two years, A fired idiot
If UNCC and ODU are sitting in hotbeds of recruiting. Why are both usually towards the bottom of CUSA in ratings?
2019
ODU 12
UNCC 14
2018
ODU 13
UNCC 11
2017
ODU 13
UNCC 10
2016
ODU 12
UNCC 11
Can't speak for ODU but Lambert and his staff were horrible recruiters...even worse locally. Healy is the anti-Lambert, the attitude surrounding the program has done a 180 and local coaches are taking notice.
This really can't be understated. In his 8 years (6 seasons) at our helm, Lambert's staff went from welcomed additions to the local recruiting scene to getting trashed talked by local HS HCs on social media. I'm not sure all the blame can be put at Lambert's feet since the local HS HCs might have had unreasonable expectations and just became bitter over the dealings, but he had definitely allowed a toxic atmosphere to develop with the local HSs, and that's all on him.
Got examples of kids that played at local HS's that Lambert did not recruit, or get, that were difference makers? Not talking about kids that were recruited by a handful of P5 schools and signed with one. Players UNCC had a good chance at signing but didnt.
No one really kept track of who we didn't recruit, but here's one guy we didn't even try for.
moss2k (aka Agent49) Wrote:Pretty sure Clifton Duck that starred at App didn’t get an offer from us
played at Butler HS, was a 2 or 3 star kid. I don’t have a record of who we didn’t pursue
(05-08-2019 02:27 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote: [ -> ] (05-08-2019 01:38 PM)WKUYG Wrote: [ -> ] (05-08-2019 12:37 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote: [ -> ] (05-08-2019 11:06 AM)wh49er Wrote: [ -> ] (05-08-2019 09:58 AM)WKUYG Wrote: [ -> ]At least Western's attendance is made up of real people sitting in seats. Not make believe fans. How can recruiting be a problem when 3 different coaches won 7,7,8,8,12 and 11 games along with 2 conference championships. I guess this person believes the rating system means you have the best talent. If that's the case S.Miss and Marshall would have a handful of conference championships. When 3 of your last 4 coaches are making around 20 million a year between them. Western is a good place to work till that pay check comes in.
well I guess those are not important as total expenses or taking Peay to a 8 win season. Or what you did 24 years ago because only a idiot would put today's S.Miss that high. Today's S.Miss program is not close to what they were in the past, in any way. It took a compete idiot not to win 7 or 8 games at Western the past two years, A fired idiot
If UNCC and ODU are sitting in hotbeds of recruiting. Why are both usually towards the bottom of CUSA in ratings?
2019
ODU 12
UNCC 14
2018
ODU 13
UNCC 11
2017
ODU 13
UNCC 10
2016
ODU 12
UNCC 11
Can't speak for ODU but Lambert and his staff were horrible recruiters...even worse locally. Healy is the anti-Lambert, the attitude surrounding the program has done a 180 and local coaches are taking notice.
This really can't be understated. In his 8 years (6 seasons) at our helm, Lambert's staff went from welcomed additions to the local recruiting scene to getting trashed talked by local HS HCs on social media. I'm not sure all the blame can be put at Lambert's feet since the local HS HCs might have had unreasonable expectations and just became bitter over the dealings, but he had definitely allowed a toxic atmosphere to develop with the local HSs, and that's all on him.
Got examples of kids that played at local HS's that Lambert did not recruit, or get, that were difference makers? Not talking about kids that were recruited by a handful of P5 schools and signed with one. Players UNCC had a good chance at signing but didnt.
No one really kept track of who we didn't recruit, but here's one guy we didn't even try for.
moss2k (aka Agent49) Wrote:Pretty sure Clifton Duck that starred at App didn’t get an offer from us
played at Butler HS, was a 2 or 3 star kid. I don’t have a record of who we didn’t pursue
So it pisses UNCC fans off because your coach did not recruit a low 2 star player that was the 121st ranked player in the state of NC? The kid was a miss by those doing the ratings thats for sure. Have you thought, the player or coach total the coaches at UNCC he wanted to play away from home or has a friend on the Appy team? He committed on July 16, 20152015. I dont have a clue about UNCC's D-backfield but maybe UNCC was already deep at CB?
So we have 1, any more?
(05-08-2019 02:41 PM)WKUYG Wrote: [ -> ] (05-08-2019 02:27 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote: [ -> ] (05-08-2019 01:38 PM)WKUYG Wrote: [ -> ] (05-08-2019 12:37 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote: [ -> ] (05-08-2019 11:06 AM)wh49er Wrote: [ -> ]Can't speak for ODU but Lambert and his staff were horrible recruiters...even worse locally. Healy is the anti-Lambert, the attitude surrounding the program has done a 180 and local coaches are taking notice.
This really can't be understated. In his 8 years (6 seasons) at our helm, Lambert's staff went from welcomed additions to the local recruiting scene to getting trashed talked by local HS HCs on social media. I'm not sure all the blame can be put at Lambert's feet since the local HS HCs might have had unreasonable expectations and just became bitter over the dealings, but he had definitely allowed a toxic atmosphere to develop with the local HSs, and that's all on him.
Got examples of kids that played at local HS's that Lambert did not recruit, or get, that were difference makers? Not talking about kids that were recruited by a handful of P5 schools and signed with one. Players UNCC had a good chance at signing but didnt.
No one really kept track of who we didn't recruit, but here's one guy we didn't even try for.
moss2k (aka Agent49) Wrote:Pretty sure Clifton Duck that starred at App didn’t get an offer from us
played at Butler HS, was a 2 or 3 star kid. I don’t have a record of who we didn’t pursue
So it pisses UNCC fans off because your coach did not recruit a low 2 star player that was the 121st ranked player in the state of NC? The kid was a miss by those doing the ratings thats for sure. Have you thought, the player or coach total the coaches at UNCC he wanted to play away from home or has a friend on the Appy team? He committed on July 16, 20152015. I dont have a clue about UNCC's D-backfield but maybe UNCC was already deep at CB?
So we have 1, any more?
What the hell does this have to do with local high school coaches openly running down Lambert's crew on social media? You don't think maintaining good local recruiting relationships had an effect on Lambert's overall recruiting performance? Guy had a **** reputation with the local HS football programs and that is ALWAYS bad for a program.
(05-08-2019 09:58 AM)WKUYG Wrote: [ -> ]If UNCC and ODU are sitting in hotbeds of recruiting. Why are both usually towards the bottom of CUSA in ratings?
Unsure if you are arguing against our area being a recruiting hotbed? It's how we are able to schedule P5's at home. They come here and are able to play in front of the recruits here. We have a lot of talent here.
If you are asking why none of the local talent comes to odu? If you can solve it, then you might land yourself a $850k salary job. To be honest though, I put absolutely 0 stock in recruiting rankings, considering they will change the rating of the recruit depending on the schools offering. There is no way they have eyes on the players recruited at the G5 level. Let the actual records and number of players in NFL uniforms tell that story.
(05-08-2019 02:47 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote: [ -> ] (05-08-2019 02:41 PM)WKUYG Wrote: [ -> ] (05-08-2019 02:27 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote: [ -> ] (05-08-2019 01:38 PM)WKUYG Wrote: [ -> ] (05-08-2019 12:37 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote: [ -> ]This really can't be understated. In his 8 years (6 seasons) at our helm, Lambert's staff went from welcomed additions to the local recruiting scene to getting trashed talked by local HS HCs on social media. I'm not sure all the blame can be put at Lambert's feet since the local HS HCs might have had unreasonable expectations and just became bitter over the dealings, but he had definitely allowed a toxic atmosphere to develop with the local HSs, and that's all on him.
Got examples of kids that played at local HS's that Lambert did not recruit, or get, that were difference makers? Not talking about kids that were recruited by a handful of P5 schools and signed with one. Players UNCC had a good chance at signing but didnt.
No one really kept track of who we didn't recruit, but here's one guy we didn't even try for.
moss2k (aka Agent49) Wrote:Pretty sure Clifton Duck that starred at App didn’t get an offer from us
played at Butler HS, was a 2 or 3 star kid. I don’t have a record of who we didn’t pursue
So it pisses UNCC fans off because your coach did not recruit a low 2 star player that was the 121st ranked player in the state of NC? The kid was a miss by those doing the ratings thats for sure. Have you thought, the player or coach total the coaches at UNCC he wanted to play away from home or has a friend on the Appy team? He committed on July 16, 20152015. I dont have a clue about UNCC's D-backfield but maybe UNCC was already deep at CB?
So we have 1, any more?
What the hell does this have to do with local high school coaches openly running down Lambert's crew on social media? You don't think maintaining good local recruiting relationships had an effect on Lambert's overall recruiting performance? Guy had a **** reputation with the local HS football programs and that is ALWAYS bad for a program.
So in July of 2015 the "local high school coaches were openly running down Lambert's crew on social media? That's when he missed on the example you gave.
Again maybe the "local HS coaches" got use to him taking FCS kids and that type of recruiting doesn't work when you move up. Excuse me if I dont take what you say as 100% on what really was taken place. Show me the social media where this took place?
(05-08-2019 03:00 PM)odu09 Wrote: [ -> ] (05-08-2019 09:58 AM)WKUYG Wrote: [ -> ]If UNCC and ODU are sitting in hotbeds of recruiting. Why are both usually towards the bottom of CUSA in ratings?
Unsure if you are arguing against our area being a recruiting hotbed? It's how we are able to schedule P5's at home. They come here and are able to play in front of the recruits here. We have a lot of talent here.
If you are asking why none of the local talent comes to odu? If you can solve it, then you might land yourself a $850k salary job. To be honest though, I put absolutely 0 stock in recruiting rankings, considering they will change the rating of the recruit depending on the schools offering. There is no way they have eyes on the players recruited at the G5 level. Let the actual records and number of players in NFL uniforms tell that story.
I dont doubt the area has talent but if a school is not getting that talent does it really make it a good place to coach? This article was based off those ratings (and I put little stock into them below the upper 50 or so) and he's clearly talking about the star system.
The level we play at...COACHING MATTERS. None of us will be stocked with enough talent that you will win 90% of the games off talent. Hell not only does coaching matters so does system. Recruiting to the system you play is more important than where your class ranks in this conference.
There is no defending Lambert's recruiting tactics. We continuously landed guys with only FCS offers aside from ours. It wasn't sustainable and it showed.
The talent just isn't in Charlotte, NC. It's within an hour around campus. Lambert failed on the trail and on the field. Apparently in the classroom too.