04-16-2019, 02:37 PM
Can we discuss the fact that Loyola Chicago is paying its coach twice as much as we are paying ours? We really need to step our commitment up next time we hire a basketball coach. Its embarrassing, frankly.
(04-16-2019 02:37 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]Can we discuss the fact that Loyola Chicago is paying its coach twice as much as we are paying ours? We really need to step our commitment up next time we hire a basketball coach. Its embarrassing, frankly.
(04-16-2019 02:55 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote: [ -> ](04-16-2019 02:37 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]Can we discuss the fact that Loyola Chicago is paying its coach twice as much as we are paying ours? We really need to step our commitment up next time we hire a basketball coach. Its embarrassing, frankly.
FWIW, he was making $420k before taking them to the final four.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/co...story.html
(04-16-2019 03:12 PM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ](04-16-2019 02:55 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote: [ -> ](04-16-2019 02:37 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]Can we discuss the fact that Loyola Chicago is paying its coach twice as much as we are paying ours? We really need to step our commitment up next time we hire a basketball coach. Its embarrassing, frankly.
FWIW, he was making $420k before taking them to the final four.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/co...story.html
Regardless, we need to step up our commitment. If St. John's is a $2M job, It is absolutely embarrassing that we can only cover 25% of that. This isn't Coach K or Coach Cal we are talking about.
(04-16-2019 03:15 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote: [ -> ](04-16-2019 03:12 PM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ](04-16-2019 02:55 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote: [ -> ](04-16-2019 02:37 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]Can we discuss the fact that Loyola Chicago is paying its coach twice as much as we are paying ours? We really need to step our commitment up next time we hire a basketball coach. Its embarrassing, frankly.
FWIW, he was making $420k before taking them to the final four.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/co...story.html
Regardless, we need to step up our commitment. If St. John's is a $2M job, It is absolutely embarrassing that we can only cover 25% of that. This isn't Coach K or Coach Cal we are talking about.
Sorry, we need to up our salaries in football more. And that job will be open or (extended) a lot sooner than hoops will be.
(04-16-2019 03:31 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ](04-16-2019 03:15 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote: [ -> ](04-16-2019 03:12 PM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ](04-16-2019 02:55 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote: [ -> ](04-16-2019 02:37 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]Can we discuss the fact that Loyola Chicago is paying its coach twice as much as we are paying ours? We really need to step our commitment up next time we hire a basketball coach. Its embarrassing, frankly.
FWIW, he was making $420k before taking them to the final four.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/co...story.html
Regardless, we need to step up our commitment. If St. John's is a $2M job, It is absolutely embarrassing that we can only cover 25% of that. This isn't Coach K or Coach Cal we are talking about.
Sorry, we need to up our salaries in football more. And that job will be open or (extended) a lot sooner than hoops will be.
Potential ROI on a high paid basketball coach far exceeds that of a bump in football salaries.
(04-16-2019 03:37 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote: [ -> ](04-16-2019 03:31 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ](04-16-2019 03:15 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote: [ -> ](04-16-2019 03:12 PM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ](04-16-2019 02:55 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote: [ -> ]FWIW, he was making $420k before taking them to the final four.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/co...story.html
Regardless, we need to step up our commitment. If St. John's is a $2M job, It is absolutely embarrassing that we can only cover 25% of that. This isn't Coach K or Coach Cal we are talking about.
Sorry, we need to up our salaries in football more. And that job will be open or (extended) a lot sooner than hoops will be.
Potential ROI on a high paid basketball coach far exceeds that of a bump in football salaries.
In your example, what's a highly paid basketball coach?
(04-16-2019 03:37 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote: [ -> ](04-16-2019 03:31 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ](04-16-2019 03:15 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote: [ -> ](04-16-2019 03:12 PM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ](04-16-2019 02:55 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote: [ -> ]FWIW, he was making $420k before taking them to the final four.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/co...story.html
Regardless, we need to step up our commitment. If St. John's is a $2M job, It is absolutely embarrassing that we can only cover 25% of that. This isn't Coach K or Coach Cal we are talking about.
Sorry, we need to up our salaries in football more. And that job will be open or (extended) a lot sooner than hoops will be.
Potential ROI on a high paid basketball coach far exceeds that of a bump in football salaries.
In your example, what's a highly paid basketball coach?
(04-16-2019 03:43 PM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ](04-16-2019 03:37 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote: [ -> ](04-16-2019 03:31 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ](04-16-2019 03:15 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote: [ -> ](04-16-2019 03:12 PM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ]Regardless, we need to step up our commitment. If St. John's is a $2M job, It is absolutely embarrassing that we can only cover 25% of that. This isn't Coach K or Coach Cal we are talking about.
Sorry, we need to up our salaries in football more. And that job will be open or (extended) a lot sooner than hoops will be.
Potential ROI on a high paid basketball coach far exceeds that of a bump in football salaries.
In your example, what's a highly paid basketball coach?
Depends on where you want to be. Make a good hire in the $1.5M range and your potential ROI will be in the NCAA as a single digit seed most years. Make a good hire at that range in football (ignoring the scores of assistants) and your potential ROI is playing in the Bahamas Bowl on a Wednesday in mid-December most years. ROI for football is terrible.
(04-16-2019 03:43 PM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ](04-16-2019 03:37 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote: [ -> ](04-16-2019 03:31 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ](04-16-2019 03:15 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote: [ -> ](04-16-2019 03:12 PM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ]Regardless, we need to step up our commitment. If St. John's is a $2M job, It is absolutely embarrassing that we can only cover 25% of that. This isn't Coach K or Coach Cal we are talking about.
Sorry, we need to up our salaries in football more. And that job will be open or (extended) a lot sooner than hoops will be.
Potential ROI on a high paid basketball coach far exceeds that of a bump in football salaries.
In your example, what's a highly paid basketball coach?
Depends on where you want to be. Make a good hire in the $1.5M range and your potential ROI will be in the NCAA as a single digit seed most years. Make a good hire at that range in football (ignoring the scores of assistants) and your potential ROI is playing in the Bahamas Bowl on a Wednesday in mid-December most years. ROI for football is terrible.
(04-16-2019 04:19 PM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ]I think the path to "Gonzaga of the East" or "New Memphis of CUSA" is a cheaper and easier one than the path to the AAC. I just don't see it happening. It is also easier to fill an 8,500 seat arena and generate a waiting list in mid-major basketball than it is a 21,000 seat stadium. The resources needed to take it to the next level in football are far to great of a hurdle right now. FAU will either lose Kiffin if the sustain any success or more likely will not sustain it. They had one good year and really nobody outside the CUSA bubble even noticed.
(04-16-2019 03:43 PM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ]Make a good hire in the $1.5M range and your potential ROI will be in the NCAA as a single digit seed most years. Make a good hire at that range in football (ignoring the scores of assistants) and your potential ROI is playing in the Bahamas Bowl on a Wednesday in mid-December most years. ROI for football is terrible.
(04-16-2019 05:06 PM)bluelight Wrote: [ -> ]Before we start talking about salary increases, lets look at a few points:
1. Wood has put ODU at the highest budget cost, in the C-USA. Over the last several years. Partly due to the time and many consultants for the final plans of the football stadium. All the new goodies are find, but an increase of 1k in attendance won't get ODU in the AAC.
2. In the last 6 years we have been to the NCAA only once and that was one and done. I will never see a final 4 for ODU. Money talks!
3. In JJ's staff, I have yet to see but only maybe 1 or 2 freshman that they have recruited that are good (Caver and Greene). At this point, JJ is at best a transfer coach and a lot of them would sit on the bench at most mid level schools.
4. We rave about JJ's 20 win seasons and raises, but if you look at last
season, 15 of the games were against teams with season ending losing records and if the new c-usa schedule rule, was not in for last year it would be 18 losing teams. The OOC schedule is very poor as was most in C-USA in basketball talent and that is two reasons we won so many. Players that transferred in like Freeman, Stith's Porter and others are the other reason we won so many.
5. ODU basketball has the best attendance in the C-USA, yet watching away games on T.V. seems like only about 2k are at most of those games. Schedule other teams like Liberty, Radford, Wolford, College of Chareston, Dayton and others, plus a couple of low p5 schools. I am sure the coaches say nobody will play them but maybe ODU don't want to play any of these good mid major schools. As far as recruiting I know the coaches work hard but their is no personality that seems to recruit and convince a 3 or 4 star player to come here. Until we are better in recruiting, we are going nowhere. Maybe that is why the schedule is soo soft. I see too many players we recruit go to a smaller school. I hope this spring we could steal some players that are really top quality. Time will tell.
6. Wood is sold on defense, but our offense is out of sink (with several dry spells) especially in the first half. Mr. Selig should give fans their monies worth and get better teams at the TED.
Quote:You think it's easier to regularly sell out and build a waiting list at the Ted than it is at Ballard, when we've done the latter with 20k seats but have never come close at the Ted? That will need further explanation.
Quote:And while what you say about FAU is true, it's the same for all but two mid majors in hoops (Gonzaga and Wichita State).
Quote:As for being the next Gonzaga or Memphis being easier than getting invited to the AAC. We're probably one of 7 schools with any chance at getting an invite to the AAC during the next expansion round. Those chances are much better than becoming a mid-major that manages to be ranked the better part of two decades.