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Greg Marshall gets paid very well. Check.

Utah Coach Larry Krystkowiak gets paid too much. Check.

Indiana Coach Archie Miller gets paid too much. Check.

Texas Coach Shaka Smart gets paid too much. Check.

Georgia Coach Tom Crean gets paid too much. Check.

Syracuse Coach Jim Boeheim gets paid peanuts. Check.

Mick is the 49th highest paid NCAA coach. Check.

(03-20-2019 05:54 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: [ -> ]Greg Marshall gets paid very well. Check.

Utah Coach Larry Krystkowiak gets paid too much. Check.

Indiana Coach Archie Miller gets paid too much. Check.

Texas Coach Shaka Smart gets paid too much. Check.

Georgia Coach Tom Crean gets paid too much. Check.

Syracuse Coach Jim Boeheim gets paid peanuts. Check.

Mick is the 49th highest paid NCAA coach. Check.

I see a whole bunch of SEC schools throwing all their football money at coaches like a bunch of bachelor party bros at the strip club. Nothing is going to come of it, but it is still fun!

(03-20-2019 06:08 PM)jarr Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-20-2019 05:54 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: [ -> ]Greg Marshall gets paid very well. Check.

Utah Coach Larry Krystkowiak gets paid too much. Check.

Indiana Coach Archie Miller gets paid too much. Check.

Texas Coach Shaka Smart gets paid too much. Check.

Georgia Coach Tom Crean gets paid too much. Check.

Syracuse Coach Jim Boeheim gets paid peanuts. Check.

Mick is the 49th highest paid NCAA coach. Check.

I see a whole bunch of SEC schools throwing all their football money at coaches like a bunch of bachelor party bros at the strip club. Nothing is going to come of it, but it is still fun!

I have no problem with coaches that win on the big stage getting paid big bucks. But some of these dudes are getting way too much money for a mediocre product/career. I know that is the name of the game these days but such is life in the P5.

(03-20-2019 06:20 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-20-2019 06:08 PM)jarr Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-20-2019 05:54 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: [ -> ]Greg Marshall gets paid very well. Check.

Utah Coach Larry Krystkowiak gets paid too much. Check.

Indiana Coach Archie Miller gets paid too much. Check.

Texas Coach Shaka Smart gets paid too much. Check.

Georgia Coach Tom Crean gets paid too much. Check.

Syracuse Coach Jim Boeheim gets paid peanuts. Check.

Mick is the 49th highest paid NCAA coach. Check.

I see a whole bunch of SEC schools throwing all their football money at coaches like a bunch of bachelor party bros at the strip club. Nothing is going to come of it, but it is still fun!

I have no problem with coaches that win on the big stage getting paid big bucks. But some of these dudes are getting way too much money for a mediocre product/career. I know that is the name of the game these days but such is life in the P5.

Yea and to be fair, all of these coaches know the schools will have a quick trigger to can them. Part of the reason we get good value for Mick has good job security. But I think Mick is probably going to be due for a raise at some point if he takes the next step.

(03-20-2019 07:04 PM)jarr Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-20-2019 06:20 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-20-2019 06:08 PM)jarr Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-20-2019 05:54 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: [ -> ]Greg Marshall gets paid very well. Check.

Utah Coach Larry Krystkowiak gets paid too much. Check.

Indiana Coach Archie Miller gets paid too much. Check.

Texas Coach Shaka Smart gets paid too much. Check.

Georgia Coach Tom Crean gets paid too much. Check.

Syracuse Coach Jim Boeheim gets paid peanuts. Check.

Mick is the 49th highest paid NCAA coach. Check.

I see a whole bunch of SEC schools throwing all their football money at coaches like a bunch of bachelor party bros at the strip club. Nothing is going to come of it, but it is still fun!

I have no problem with coaches that win on the big stage getting paid big bucks. But some of these dudes are getting way too much money for a mediocre product/career. I know that is the name of the game these days but such is life in the P5.

Yea and to be fair, all of these coaches know the schools will have a quick trigger to can them. Part of the reason we get good value for Mick has good job security. But I think Mick is probably going to be due for a raise at some point if he takes the next step.

It will be interesting to see what happens in the next several years since Mick's current contract runs out at the end of the 2022/23 season. He got the two year extension back in 2016 [same as the former Grandpa Grubbs got at the time].

(03-20-2019 05:54 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: [ -> ]Mick is the 49th highest paid NCAA coach. Check.

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but when Mick signed his newest contract was he not something like the 20th highest paid coach? At 49th he seems like a great value.

(03-21-2019 06:53 AM)Banter Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-20-2019 05:54 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: [ -> ]Mick is the 49th highest paid NCAA coach. Check.

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but when Mick signed his newest contract was he not something like the 20th highest paid coach? At 49th he seems like a great value.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/.../11257329/

Quote:ESPN recently ranked Cronin at No. 27 among the Top 50 men's basketball coaches in Division I.

Don't worry, Mick is used to giving up 22 spots.

(03-21-2019 06:53 AM)Banter Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-20-2019 05:54 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: [ -> ]Mick is the 49th highest paid NCAA coach. Check.

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but when Mick signed his newest contract was he not something like the 20th highest paid coach? At 49th he seems like a great value.

I believe these rankings are partly a function of when the contract was signed. Each year, a certain number of coaches renew or get poached at a higher salary so among the top 50 paid coaches, some ride the escalator up in any given year.

One thing we can count on: our coaches will expect pay increases based upon the new media deal. Everyone will want a piece of that, though the reality for UC is we are mostly just replacing equivalent Big East exit fee credits that have paid the bills the past several years.

(03-21-2019 07:07 AM)OldenburgCat Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-21-2019 06:53 AM)Banter Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-20-2019 05:54 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: [ -> ]Mick is the 49th highest paid NCAA coach. Check.

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but when Mick signed his newest contract was he not something like the 20th highest paid coach? At 49th he seems like a great value.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/.../11257329/

Yeah, the market tends to push in an upward trajectory. Plus, if you look at jarr's OP list, there have been many new signings in the P5 ranks since Mick's extension that shows how much money they have to throw around. IMO, Mick is at a bargain price relative to everyone else.

Herein lies the issue.

UC isn't getting a raise in revenue from the new media deal. The bottom-feeder schools in the AAC are, though.

The Bearcat football and basketball programs both hover around the top 25. We're getting amazing ROI on these programs right now.

Both programs will (rightfully) command more and more resources in order to keep pace with other top 25 programs. When will the levee break?

(03-21-2019 07:40 AM)JPBearcat3 Wrote: [ -> ]Herein lies the issue.

UC isn't getting a raise in revenue from the new media deal. The bottom-feeder schools in the AAC are, though.

The Bearcat football and basketball programs both hover around the top 25. We're getting amazing ROI on these programs right now.

Both programs will (rightfully) command more and more resources in order to keep pace with other top 25 programs. When will the levee break?

The levee has already broke. If Mick ever moves on I'd wager our future basketball coaches will last as long as our football coaches have after the Rick Minter era. More than three years but my point is we will become a stepping stone to the P5. See Xavier for how long they keep a coach.

(03-21-2019 07:46 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-21-2019 07:40 AM)JPBearcat3 Wrote: [ -> ]Herein lies the issue.

UC isn't getting a raise in revenue from the new media deal. The bottom-feeder schools in the AAC are, though.

The Bearcat football and basketball programs both hover around the top 25. We're getting amazing ROI on these programs right now.

Both programs will (rightfully) command more and more resources in order to keep pace with other top 25 programs. When will the levee break?

The levee has already broke. If Mick ever moves on I'd wager our future basketball coaches will last as long as our football coaches have after the Rick Minter era. More than three years but my point is we will become a stepping stone to the P5. See Xavier for how long they keep a coach.

This ^^^

Bottom line, the athletic department needs to find streams of revenue beyond what they receive from the conference (media rights, bowl money, playoff money, NCAAT credits, etc.). This will mean the alumni and fans need to step up with the donations, more money from the corporate citizens in this community, possibly raising ticket prices, etc.

(03-21-2019 08:19 AM)CliftonAve Wrote: [ -> ]Bottom line, the athletic department needs to find streams of revenue beyond what they receive from the conference (media rights, bowl money, playoff money, NCAAT credits, etc.). This will mean the alumni and fans need to step up with the donations, more money from the corporate citizens in this community, possibly raising ticket prices, etc.

Yep, we don't talk about it often but the P5/G5 divide is very real in terms of fan support and revenue derived from sources other than media deals. I know it's preaching to the choir on this board of loyal supporters, but UC simply needs more fans to keep building momentum. In simple terms it's filling Nippert and Fifth Third for every game. But that larger pool also means there are more fans to draw upon for a bowl trip, an early season basketball tourney, road games, conference tournaments and the NCAA. The core fans are excellent but are depended upon to always do all of the above. We just need more of them: giving to UCATS, selling out games and creating demand for tickets and merchandise.

As an example, when we sell out 5th/3rd preseason (someday very soon I hope), we'll see an uptick in fans travelling with the team just to catch a game. Demand is a wonderful thing for the program when it exceeds supply.

(03-21-2019 08:39 AM)OKIcat Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-21-2019 08:19 AM)CliftonAve Wrote: [ -> ]Bottom line, the athletic department needs to find streams of revenue beyond what they receive from the conference (media rights, bowl money, playoff money, NCAAT credits, etc.). This will mean the alumni and fans need to step up with the donations, more money from the corporate citizens in this community, possibly raising ticket prices, etc.

Yep, we don't talk about it often but the P5/G5 divide is very real in terms of fan support and revenue derived from sources other than media deals. I know it's preaching to the choir on this board of loyal supporters, but UC simply needs more fans to keep building momentum. In simple terms it's filling Nippert and Fifth Third for every game. But that larger pool also means there are more fans to draw upon for a bowl trip, an early season basketball tourney, road games, conference tournaments and the NCAA. The core fans are excellent but are depended upon to always do all of the above. We just need more of them: giving to UCATS, selling out games and creating demand for tickets and merchandise.

As an example, when we sell out 5th/3rd preseason (someday very soon I hope), we'll see an uptick in fans travelling with the team just to catch a game. Demand is a wonderful thing for the program when it exceeds supply.

Not just the P5, UC trails some of our conference mates in donations as well. This does not sit well with me... we shouldn't be receiving less money in contributions than Memphis (a school half our size) or ECU (do I really even need to go there).

(03-21-2019 08:39 AM)OKIcat Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-21-2019 08:19 AM)CliftonAve Wrote: [ -> ]Bottom line, the athletic department needs to find streams of revenue beyond what they receive from the conference (media rights, bowl money, playoff money, NCAAT credits, etc.). This will mean the alumni and fans need to step up with the donations, more money from the corporate citizens in this community, possibly raising ticket prices, etc.

Yep, we don't talk about it often but the P5/G5 divide is very real in terms of fan support and revenue derived from sources other than media deals. I know it's preaching to the choir on this board of loyal supporters, but UC simply needs more fans to keep building momentum. In simple terms it's filling Nippert and Fifth Third for every game. But that larger pool also means there are more fans to draw upon for a bowl trip, an early season basketball tourney, road games, conference tournaments and the NCAA. The core fans are excellent but are depended upon to always do all of the above. We just need more of them: giving to UCATS, selling out games and creating demand for tickets and merchandise.

As an example, when we sell out 5th/3rd preseason (someday very soon I hope), we'll see an uptick in fans travelling with the team just to catch a game. Demand is a wonderful thing for the program when it exceeds supply.

I'm not trying to sound negative at all but we should have better overall support from local fans, alumni, corporate, and the media years ago. It goes back to when Nippert was finished and we still don't pack the house with fans. Students freegin' leave after halftime. That said, the reality is the items Clifton lists above will not diminish our lag/the gulf behind the P5. Those conferences make tens of millions more per school just from the media rights deals alone and in addition they have other revenue streams too. This P6 is a mirage of marketing and not any financial boon to us. Does it really set us apart from CUSA, MAC, et. al., by making $5-$6 million more but we're still $20 million below the P5? We need a better conference situation but there is no ship in port to board right now.

(03-21-2019 09:02 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: [ -> ]Students freegin' leave after halftime.

I won't argue with the rest but this one is nationwide. Not going to change. If the game is not excitingly in doubt, there are other things for young adults to do.

Actually, the best thing that could be done for this is get rid of replays and do other things to shorten the game.