According to a report out of Norfolk.
YES - UAB, FAU, FIU, Louisiana Tech, North Texas, Rice, Southern Miss, UTEP, UTSA
NO - Charlotte, Old Dominion, Marshall, Middle Tennessee, Western Kentucky
Reportedly no other city even submitted a bid.
http://www.odusports.com/ViewArticle.dbm...=211796316
what a way to make a living.
(03-19-2019 10:36 PM)blazerjay Wrote: [ -> ]According to a report out of Norfolk.
YES - UAB, FAU, FIU, Louisiana Tech, North Texas, Rice, Southern Miss, UTEP, UTSA
NO - Charlotte, Old Dominion, Marshall, Middle Tennessee, Western Kentucky
Reportedly no other city even submitted a bid.
http://www.odusports.com/ViewArticle.dbm...=211796316
Sigh. Yeah, lets side with the half of the conference with no basketball tradition (outside of UTEP). Other than UAB, CUSA 3.0 champs have all come from the dissenters.
Bill Clark is the only leader paid by UAB (athletics) that could find his ass with both hands. Randy Norton with an honorable mention.
Complain
Frisco is a joke but the people on charge are also a joke ,,i will not be surprise that school who vote yes got some incisive like FIFA do all the time
Look at it UAB , and even La Tech vote for it
I understand the Texas team because it is in the same state ,,,
Solution
first place get the tournament
attendance will go up
(03-20-2019 07:13 AM)UABFRENCHY Wrote: [ -> ]Complain
Frisco is a joke but the people on charge are also a joke ,,i will not be surprise that school who vote yes got some incisive like FIFA do all the time
Look at it UAB , and even La Tech vote for it
I understand the Texas team because it is in the same state ,,,
Solution
first place get the tournament
attendance will go up
Agree 100% That's the real problem. Frisco actually sounds nice. It's not the town, it's the geography. The basketball center of CUSA is in the east and that's where the tourney should be. What have the Texas teams done to deserve closer access? Not a damn thing.
I like your first place get the tournament idea. I'm not sure it would be possible to set it up at such short notice. Maybe rotate the tournament between the home courts of the schools that have won the Title. Then if it ends up out west, it would have been earned.
P.S. "Sounds like an AAU tournament" is not the atmosphere CUSA should be creating or projecting. Two games going at the same time is so ******* bush league.
How about first place gets it, if they can't figure it out move onto second place? A tournament in Bartow would be a much better atmosphere than the one at the BJCC or the dueling courts in Frisco. We can, and should, do better than we currently are. No central location is ever going to be perfect with schools 1000 miles apart, but we can do our best to make it as good as possible. Had ODU hosted this year, it would have been well attended. I'd venture to guess that real attendance in a championship game at ODU would be better than the entire real attendance numbers in Frisco.
There’s no way it could be set up after the regular season champion has been determined...
And there’s no way Bartow could hold it...
And we’re making the assumption that the athletic dept that wins the regular season wants to host it. Pretty sure that’s not true (supported by the fact that there were no other bids).
I think people grossly underestimate the amount of work that goes into hosting. I’m guessing UAB has zero interest in hosting until after the BJCC renovations are complete
(03-20-2019 08:18 AM)blazers9911 Wrote: [ -> ]How about first place gets it, if they can't figure it out move onto second place? A tournament in Bartow would be a much better atmosphere than the one at the BJCC or the dueling courts in Frisco. We can, and should, do better than we currently are. No central location is ever going to be perfect with schools 1000 miles apart, but we can do our best to make it as good as possible. Had ODU hosted this year, it would have been well attended. I'd venture to guess that real attendance in a championship game at ODU would be better than the entire real attendance numbers in Frisco.
It's not that hard. Other conferences do it it. Heck even the NBA and NHL do it to a degree. All that is required is for all members to reserve their arena for the dates of the tournament games. Hotel rooms may be an issue if you tried to take a 12 team tournament to a site on short notice in the smaller towns like, Ruston.
Here is a breakdown of the DI Leagues that utilized campus sites this season.
America East (RPI #25)
• 8 teams in tournament
• Standard Bracket
• Quarter-Finals at Higher seeded teams (Sat. 3/9)
• Semi-Finals at Higher seeded teams (Tues. 3/12)
• Championship at Higher seeded team (Sat. 3/16)
Atlantic Sun (RPI #21)
• 8 teams in tournament
• Standard Bracket
• Quarter-Finals at Higher seeded teams (Mon. 3/4)
• Semi-Finals at Higher seeded teams (Thur. 3/7)
• Championship at Higher seeded team (Sun. 3/10)
Big South (RPI #26)
• 11 teams in tournament
• Standard Bracket
• 1st Round at Higher seeded teams (Tues. 3/5)
• Quarter-Finals at #1 seed (Thur. 3/7)
• Semi-Finals at #1 seed (Fri. 3/8)
• Championship at Higher seeded team (Sun. 3/10)
Horizon League (RPI #22)
• 8 teams in tournament
• Standard Bracket
• Quarter-Finals at Higher seeded team (Tues. 3/5 & Wed. 3/6)
• Semi-Finals at Detroit (Mon. 3/11)
• Championship at Detroit (Tues. 3/12)
Northeast Conference (RPI #28)
• 8 teams in tournament
• Standard Bracket (re-seeded after quarter-finals)
• Quarter-Finals at Higher seeded teams (Wed. 3/6)
• Semi-Finals at Higher seeded teams (Sat. 3/9)
• Championship at Higher seeded team (Tues. 3/12)
Patriot League (RPI #19)
• 10 teams in tournament
• Standard Bracket
• First Round at Higher seeded teams (Tues. 3/5)
• Quarter-Finals at #1 seed (Thur. 3/7)
• Semi-Finals at #1 seed (Fri. 3/8)
• Championship at #1 seed (Sat. 3/9)
Sun Belt Conference (RPI #17)
• 10 teams in tournament
• Double-Bye Bracket
• First Round at Higher seeded teams (Tues. 3/12)
• Quarter-Finals at New Orleans (Thur. 3/14)
• Semi-Finals at New Orleans (Fri. 3/15)
• Championship at New Orleans (Sat. 3/16)
Higher seed hosts
#1 seed hosts
Neutral site
(03-20-2019 09:49 AM)LairDweller Wrote: [ -> ]There’s no way it could be set up after the regular season champion has been determined...
And there’s no way Bartow could hold it...
That's simply not true. Other conferences do it. Contingencies have to be in place beforehand just in case. But the Men's tournament would have to be split from the women's tournament for it to work.
And we’re making the assumption that the athletic dept that wins the regular season wants to host it. Pretty sure that’s not true (supported by the fact that there were no other bids).
Like Bids to the NCAA & NIT tournaments, there is no choice. In whatever setup is agreed upom, the conference member would be required to host the prescribed games or be heavily penalized.
I think people grossly underestimate the amount of work that goes into hosting. I’m guessing UAB has zero interest in hosting until after the BJCC renovations are complete
For such at tournament set-up you drop most of the bells and whistles, which for a league with as little interest at C-USA is a waste of money anyway.
I'm sure if those 7 other conferences can manage to do it in some fashion, the semi-compitent folks from C-USA could as well.
(03-20-2019 10:46 AM)blazerjay Wrote: [ -> ] (03-20-2019 08:18 AM)blazers9911 Wrote: [ -> ]How about first place gets it, if they can't figure it out move onto second place? A tournament in Bartow would be a much better atmosphere than the one at the BJCC or the dueling courts in Frisco. We can, and should, do better than we currently are. No central location is ever going to be perfect with schools 1000 miles apart, but we can do our best to make it as good as possible. Had ODU hosted this year, it would have been well attended. I'd venture to guess that real attendance in a championship game at ODU would be better than the entire real attendance numbers in Frisco.
It's not that hard. Other conferences do it it. Heck even the NBA and NHL do it to a degree. All that is required is for all members to reserve their arena for the dates of the tournament games. Hotel rooms may be an issue if you tried to take a 12 team tournament to a site on short notice in the smaller towns like, Ruston.
Here is a breakdown of the DI Leagues that utilized campus sites this season.
America East (RPI #25)
• 8 teams in tournament
• Standard Bracket
• Quarter-Finals at Higher seeded teams (Sat. 3/9)
• Semi-Finals at Higher seeded teams (Tues. 3/12)
• Championship at Higher seeded team (Sat. 3/16)
Atlantic Sun (RPI #21)
• 8 teams in tournament
• Standard Bracket
• Quarter-Finals at Higher seeded teams (Mon. 3/4)
• Semi-Finals at Higher seeded teams (Thur. 3/7)
• Championship at Higher seeded team (Sun. 3/10)
Big South (RPI #26)
• 11 teams in tournament
• Standard Bracket
• 1st Round at Higher seeded teams (Tues. 3/5)
• Quarter-Finals at #1 seed (Thur. 3/7)
• Semi-Finals at #1 seed (Fri. 3/8)
• Championship at Higher seeded team (Sun. 3/10)
Horizon League (RPI #22)
• 8 teams in tournament
• Standard Bracket
• Quarter-Finals at Higher seeded team (Tues. 3/5 & Wed. 3/6)
• Semi-Finals at Detroit (Mon. 3/11)
• Championship at Detroit (Tues. 3/12)
Northeast Conference (RPI #28)
• 8 teams in tournament
• Standard Bracket (re-seeded after quarter-finals)
• Quarter-Finals at Higher seeded teams (Wed. 3/6)
• Semi-Finals at Higher seeded teams (Sat. 3/9)
• Championship at Higher seeded team (Tues. 3/12)
Patriot League (RPI #19)
• 10 teams in tournament
• Standard Bracket
• First Round at Higher seeded teams (Tues. 3/5)
• Quarter-Finals at #1 seed (Thur. 3/7)
• Semi-Finals at #1 seed (Fri. 3/8)
• Championship at #1 seed (Sat. 3/9)
Sun Belt Conference (RPI #17)
• 10 teams in tournament
• Double-Bye Bracket
• First Round at Higher seeded teams (Tues. 3/12)
• Quarter-Finals at New Orleans (Thur. 3/14)
• Semi-Finals at New Orleans (Fri. 3/15)
• Championship at New Orleans (Sat. 3/16)
Higher seed hosts
#1 seed hosts
Neutral site
(03-20-2019 09:49 AM)LairDweller Wrote: [ -> ]There’s no way it could be set up after the regular season champion has been determined...
And there’s no way Bartow could hold it...
That's simply not true. Other conferences do it. Contingencies have to be in place beforehand just in case. But the Men's tournament would have to be split from the women's tournament for it to work.
And we’re making the assumption that the athletic dept that wins the regular season wants to host it. Pretty sure that’s not true (supported by the fact that there were no other bids).
Like Bids to the NCAA & NIT tournaments, there is no choice. In whatever setup is agreed upom, the conference member would be required to host the prescribed games or be heavily penalized.
I think people grossly underestimate the amount of work that goes into hosting. I’m guessing UAB has zero interest in hosting until after the BJCC renovations are complete
For such at tournament set-up you drop most of the bells and whistles, which for a league with as little interest at C-USA is a waste of money anyway.
I'm sure if those 7 other conferences can manage to do it in some fashion, the semi-compitent folks from C-USA could as well.
Yep campus sites are where this tournament needs to be.
What's the old saying, "Don't judge a book by it's cover"? A lot of people are complaining about a venue very few have been to. There is only about 25 (that's being very generous) people from Birmingham that go to the tournament outside of players & coaches families. Fans from WKU, La Tech, MTSU, Marshall, & the Texas schools somehow show up for the tournament. The Star is a great venue when you consider hotels, bars, restaurants, location. Sure the court setup is not ideal, but that is the current state of CUSA basketball. People forget that there are UAB fans outside of Birmingham. I met many that live in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area that attended.
Also, the people that actually go to the tournament make plans many months ahead of time to arrange flights, hotels, etc.
(03-19-2019 10:36 PM)blazerjay Wrote: [ -> ]According to a report out of Norfolk.
YES - UAB, FAU, FIU, Louisiana Tech, North Texas, Rice, Southern Miss, UTEP, UTSA
NO - Charlotte, Old Dominion, Marshall, Middle Tennessee, Western Kentucky
Reportedly no other city even submitted a bid.
http://www.odusports.com/ViewArticle.dbm...=211796316
Frisco is also paying the conference money to host.
B'ham and UAB might have wanted to wait for the planned Legacy Arena renovations to have a definite completion end point before bidding for the conference tournament. The dates being bid for this time fall within the proposed renovation period of time.
(03-20-2019 11:55 AM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote: [ -> ]B'ham and UAB might have wanted to wait for the planned Legacy Arena renovations to have a definite completion end point before bidding for the conference tournament. The dates being bid for this time fall within the proposed renovation period of time.
I expect UAB/Birmingham to bid on the 2022 tournament when the renovation is done.
(03-20-2019 11:45 AM)hooverblazer Wrote: [ -> ]Frisco is also paying the conference money to host.
now i know where they vote for it
(03-20-2019 10:46 AM)blazerjay Wrote: [ -> ] (03-20-2019 08:18 AM)blazers9911 Wrote: [ -> ]How about first place gets it, if they can't figure it out move onto second place? A tournament in Bartow would be a much better atmosphere than the one at the BJCC or the dueling courts in Frisco. We can, and should, do better than we currently are. No central location is ever going to be perfect with schools 1000 miles apart, but we can do our best to make it as good as possible. Had ODU hosted this year, it would have been well attended. I'd venture to guess that real attendance in a championship game at ODU would be better than the entire real attendance numbers in Frisco.
It's not that hard. Other conferences do it it. Heck even the NBA and NHL do it to a degree. All that is required is for all members to reserve their arena for the dates of the tournament games. Hotel rooms may be an issue if you tried to take a 12 team tournament to a site on short notice in the smaller towns like, Ruston.
Here is a breakdown of the DI Leagues that utilized campus sites this season.
America East (RPI #25)
• 8 teams in tournament
• Standard Bracket
• Quarter-Finals at Higher seeded teams (Sat. 3/9)
• Semi-Finals at Higher seeded teams (Tues. 3/12)
• Championship at Higher seeded team (Sat. 3/16)
Atlantic Sun (RPI #21)
• 8 teams in tournament
• Standard Bracket
• Quarter-Finals at Higher seeded teams (Mon. 3/4)
• Semi-Finals at Higher seeded teams (Thur. 3/7)
• Championship at Higher seeded team (Sun. 3/10)
Big South (RPI #26)
• 11 teams in tournament
• Standard Bracket
• 1st Round at Higher seeded teams (Tues. 3/5)
• Quarter-Finals at #1 seed (Thur. 3/7)
• Semi-Finals at #1 seed (Fri. 3/8)
• Championship at Higher seeded team (Sun. 3/10)
Horizon League (RPI #22)
• 8 teams in tournament
• Standard Bracket
• Quarter-Finals at Higher seeded team (Tues. 3/5 & Wed. 3/6)
• Semi-Finals at Detroit (Mon. 3/11)
• Championship at Detroit (Tues. 3/12)
Northeast Conference (RPI #28)
• 8 teams in tournament
• Standard Bracket (re-seeded after quarter-finals)
• Quarter-Finals at Higher seeded teams (Wed. 3/6)
• Semi-Finals at Higher seeded teams (Sat. 3/9)
• Championship at Higher seeded team (Tues. 3/12)
Patriot League (RPI #19)
• 10 teams in tournament
• Standard Bracket
• First Round at Higher seeded teams (Tues. 3/5)
• Quarter-Finals at #1 seed (Thur. 3/7)
• Semi-Finals at #1 seed (Fri. 3/8)
• Championship at #1 seed (Sat. 3/9)
Sun Belt Conference (RPI #17)
• 10 teams in tournament
• Double-Bye Bracket
• First Round at Higher seeded teams (Tues. 3/12)
• Quarter-Finals at New Orleans (Thur. 3/14)
• Semi-Finals at New Orleans (Fri. 3/15)
• Championship at New Orleans (Sat. 3/16)
Higher seed hosts
#1 seed hosts
Neutral site
(03-20-2019 09:49 AM)LairDweller Wrote: [ -> ]There’s no way it could be set up after the regular season champion has been determined...
And there’s no way Bartow could hold it...
That's simply not true. Other conferences do it. Contingencies have to be in place beforehand just in case. But the Men's tournament would have to be split from the women's tournament for it to work.
And we’re making the assumption that the athletic dept that wins the regular season wants to host it. Pretty sure that’s not true (supported by the fact that there were no other bids).
Like Bids to the NCAA & NIT tournaments, there is no choice. In whatever setup is agreed upon, the conference member would be required to host the prescribed games or be heavily penalized.
I think people grossly underestimate the amount of work that goes into hosting. I’m guessing UAB has zero interest in hosting until after the BJCC renovations are complete
For such at tournament set-up you drop most of the bells and whistles, which for a league with as little interest at C-USA is a waste of money anyway.
I'm sure if those 7 other conferences can manage to do it in some fashion, the semi-compitent folks from C-USA could as well.
Yet, we’re complaining about the current setup being too Busch league
(03-20-2019 12:40 PM)LairDweller Wrote: [ -> ] (03-20-2019 10:46 AM)blazerjay Wrote: [ -> ] (03-20-2019 08:18 AM)blazers9911 Wrote: [ -> ]How about first place gets it, if they can't figure it out move onto second place? A tournament in Bartow would be a much better atmosphere than the one at the BJCC or the dueling courts in Frisco. We can, and should, do better than we currently are. No central location is ever going to be perfect with schools 1000 miles apart, but we can do our best to make it as good as possible. Had ODU hosted this year, it would have been well attended. I'd venture to guess that real attendance in a championship game at ODU would be better than the entire real attendance numbers in Frisco.
It's not that hard. Other conferences do it it. Heck even the NBA and NHL do it to a degree. All that is required is for all members to reserve their arena for the dates of the tournament games. Hotel rooms may be an issue if you tried to take a 12 team tournament to a site on short notice in the smaller towns like, Ruston.
Here is a breakdown of the DI Leagues that utilized campus sites this season.
America East (RPI #25)
• 8 teams in tournament
• Standard Bracket
• Quarter-Finals at Higher seeded teams (Sat. 3/9)
• Semi-Finals at Higher seeded teams (Tues. 3/12)
• Championship at Higher seeded team (Sat. 3/16)
Atlantic Sun (RPI #21)
• 8 teams in tournament
• Standard Bracket
• Quarter-Finals at Higher seeded teams (Mon. 3/4)
• Semi-Finals at Higher seeded teams (Thur. 3/7)
• Championship at Higher seeded team (Sun. 3/10)
Big South (RPI #26)
• 11 teams in tournament
• Standard Bracket
• 1st Round at Higher seeded teams (Tues. 3/5)
• Quarter-Finals at #1 seed (Thur. 3/7)
• Semi-Finals at #1 seed (Fri. 3/8)
• Championship at Higher seeded team (Sun. 3/10)
Horizon League (RPI #22)
• 8 teams in tournament
• Standard Bracket
• Quarter-Finals at Higher seeded team (Tues. 3/5 & Wed. 3/6)
• Semi-Finals at Detroit (Mon. 3/11)
• Championship at Detroit (Tues. 3/12)
Northeast Conference (RPI #28)
• 8 teams in tournament
• Standard Bracket (re-seeded after quarter-finals)
• Quarter-Finals at Higher seeded teams (Wed. 3/6)
• Semi-Finals at Higher seeded teams (Sat. 3/9)
• Championship at Higher seeded team (Tues. 3/12)
Patriot League (RPI #19)
• 10 teams in tournament
• Standard Bracket
• First Round at Higher seeded teams (Tues. 3/5)
• Quarter-Finals at #1 seed (Thur. 3/7)
• Semi-Finals at #1 seed (Fri. 3/8)
• Championship at #1 seed (Sat. 3/9)
Sun Belt Conference (RPI #17)
• 10 teams in tournament
• Double-Bye Bracket
• First Round at Higher seeded teams (Tues. 3/12)
• Quarter-Finals at New Orleans (Thur. 3/14)
• Semi-Finals at New Orleans (Fri. 3/15)
• Championship at New Orleans (Sat. 3/16)
Higher seed hosts
#1 seed hosts
Neutral site
(03-20-2019 09:49 AM)LairDweller Wrote: [ -> ]There’s no way it could be set up after the regular season champion has been determined...
And there’s no way Bartow could hold it...
That's simply not true. Other conferences do it. Contingencies have to be in place beforehand just in case. But the Men's tournament would have to be split from the women's tournament for it to work.
And we’re making the assumption that the athletic dept that wins the regular season wants to host it. Pretty sure that’s not true (supported by the fact that there were no other bids).
Like Bids to the NCAA & NIT tournaments, there is no choice. In whatever setup is agreed upom, the conference member would be required to host the prescribed games or be heavily penalized.
I think people grossly underestimate the amount of work that goes into hosting. I’m guessing UAB has zero interest in hosting until after the BJCC renovations are complete
For such at tournament set-up you drop most of the bells and whistles, which for a league with as little interest at C-USA is a waste of money anyway.
I'm sure if those 7 other conferences can manage to do it in some fashion, the semi-compitent folks from C-USA could as well.
Yet, we’re complaining about the current setup being too Busch league
That probably nails it. That's the format we should take but we don't want to be equated with the conferences that already have, although we seem to be ok allying ourselves with the Belt and Horizon. If the A10 or MVC went to that format, I think you would see CUSA move in that direction.
(03-20-2019 11:34 AM)UAB BOT Wrote: [ -> ]What's the old saying, "Don't judge a book by it's cover"? A lot of people are complaining about a venue very few have been to. There is only about 25 (that's being very generous) people from Birmingham that go to the tournament outside of players & coaches families. Fans from WKU, La Tech, MTSU, Marshall, & the Texas schools somehow show up for the tournament. The Star is a great venue when you consider hotels, bars, restaurants, location. Sure the court setup is not ideal, but that is the current state of CUSA basketball. People forget that there are UAB fans outside of Birmingham. I met many that live in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area that attended.
Also, the people that actually go to the tournament make plans many months ahead of time to arrange flights, hotels, etc.
That's part of why most here don't like it. Look at the location of the schools that voted against. All long distances. It's a fly and hotel trip, you can't just throw a cooler in the car and drive 800 miles.
Self serving as it sounds, the obvious thing to do is to hold it as centrally located as possible. Find three venues and rotate.
Regular season champion hosting the game would really make that worth fighting for. Bigger crowds that way... with the disclaimer being that if the home team loses in the first game, attendance will crater.
(03-20-2019 01:35 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote: [ -> ] (03-20-2019 11:34 AM)UAB BOT Wrote: [ -> ]What's the old saying, "Don't judge a book by it's cover"? A lot of people are complaining about a venue very few have been to. There is only about 25 (that's being very generous) people from Birmingham that go to the tournament outside of players & coaches families. Fans from WKU, La Tech, MTSU, Marshall, & the Texas schools somehow show up for the tournament. The Star is a great venue when you consider hotels, bars, restaurants, location. Sure the court setup is not ideal, but that is the current state of CUSA basketball. People forget that there are UAB fans outside of Birmingham. I met many that live in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area that attended.
Also, the people that actually go to the tournament make plans many months ahead of time to arrange flights, hotels, etc.
That's part of why most here don't like it. Look at the location of the schools that voted against. All long distances. It's a fly and hotel trip, you can't just throw a cooler in the car and drive 800 miles.
Self serving as it sounds, the obvious thing to do is to hold it as centrally located as possible. Find three venues and rotate.
Regular season champion hosting the game would really make that worth fighting for. Bigger crowds that way... with the disclaimer being that if the home team loses in the first game, attendance will crater.
Yup. Some families have no problem plunking down $2500 or more for a conference tournament (or bowl) trip. Mine isn't one of them.
Hey kids, tournament trip to Frisco or beach trip on spring break?
(03-20-2019 12:19 PM)hooverblazer Wrote: [ -> ] (03-20-2019 11:55 AM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote: [ -> ]B'ham and UAB might have wanted to wait for the planned Legacy Arena renovations to have a definite completion end point before bidding for the conference tournament. The dates being bid for this time fall within the proposed renovation period of time.
I expect UAB/Birmingham to bid on the 2022 tournament when the renovation is done.
I have neither seen renovation designs for the Legacy Arena nor final designs for the stadium. As an optimistic person you might be right on both projects. As a citizen who has seen so many past projects (completed interstates, I-22, new high school stadium,etc) delayed for years (even decades), I pray that in this century things in B'ham will get done on a timely basis.