I've been a season ticket holder and fan more years than most on this board, but i have to really look at Cumberland's performance in yesterday's championship game as one of the best individual performances in program history in a big game. Obviously when you've got National championships and Final Four visits those are bigger games, but his performance yesterday was as dominant as i can recall. It was definitely a team win as others were really strong as well, but he was on a mission. Where does everyone rank it? A Uconn fan i was sitting by joked that he would love to see a team with JC in the back court, and Zion Williamson in the front court. Said that pick and roll combo would send teams to the white flag. LOL
Like many statistics in UC basketball, The Big 0 has this one locked down. He scored more than 50 points in a game seven times, including a 62 point effort and the time he put up 56 in Madison Square Garden against Seton Hall.
In the MSG game, Big O went 22/32 from the field and also had 15 boards and 6 assists.
I agree. HIs career is on Mt. Rushmore of college bball, forget about Uc. However, i think in the modern era that was one of the great individual performances.
Cumberland's performance yesterday compares favorably with KMart's against DePaul in 2000.
It was timely, and it was dominant. Broome also gave a herculean effort to score and some much taller perimeter players. I think having a leader on the team is an advantage. Last years squad had more length, and athleticism, but no one really wanted to be top dog. The 3 we lost were individually very talented, but I don't know that any were the alpha.
With a lot of these kids, they're brawlers. They scrap and play like they're confident, but also like they know however they're going to win, it'll have to go through Cumberland.
It was up there though. They really couldn't stop him when he wanted to score, and unlike Houston's Davis, Cumberland can burn you with an all around floor game. Not just shooting.
There are other games I can think of... this one time,(don't recall the year) Fortson dropped 40 points and had like 20 boards against X.
Might have been the most dominant performance I've seen a UC player have.
(03-18-2019 09:26 AM)dsquare Wrote: [ -> ]I've been a season ticket holder and fan more years than most on this board, but i have to really look at Cumberland's performance in yesterday's championship game as one of the best individual performances in program history in a big game. Obviously when you've got National championships and Final Four visits those are bigger games, but his performance yesterday was as dominant as i can recall. It was definitely a team win as others were really strong as well, but he was on a mission. Where does everyone rank it? A Uconn fan i was sitting by joked that he would love to see a team with JC in the back court, and Zion Williamson in the front court. Said that pick and roll combo would send teams to the white flag. LOL
My context is from 1990. In general, games that stick out include Steve Logan against Southern Miss. Admittedly the stakes were far lower and the talent disparity was disproportionately in favor of Cincy. Kenyon vs. Depaul also stands out and that Depaul team was talented. i'm sure Danny had some big time performances. That said, Cincy during the Huggins years were probably more talented, and in some cases significantly so, then their opponents. i don't think we could say that about this team especially against Houston, who are talented. it was spectacular to watch.
(03-18-2019 10:31 AM)Recluse1 Wrote: [ -> ]It was timely, and it was dominant. Broome also gave a herculean effort to score and some much taller perimeter players. I think having a leader on the team is an advantage. Last years squad had more length, and athleticism, but no one really wanted to be top dog. The 3 we lost were individually very talented, but I don't know that any were the alpha.
With a lot of these kids, they're brawlers. They scrap and play like they're confident, but also like they know however they're going to win, it'll have to go through Cumberland.
It was up there though. They really couldn't stop him when he wanted to score, and unlike Houston's Davis, Cumberland can burn you with an all around floor game. Not just shooting.
There are other games I can think of... this one time,(don't recall the year) Fortson dropped 40 points and had like 20 boards against X.
Might have been the most dominant performance I've seen a UC player have.
That is a great point, and something I thought about both last year and this year. Although last year's team was great and the guys we lost were absolutely top-notch people, no one ever really took charge of the team. I think there was a bit of a leadership void after Caupain graduated, and neither Jacob Evans nor Gary Clark completely filled that. At times, you could see Cumberland wanted to be the alpha last season, but wasn't completely comfortable usurping his elders. This year, the role was his from the start and he has performed admirably.
Fortson vs X
Hicks vs Marquette
What impressed me most was a refusal to lose 3 games in a row to UH. JC put the team on his back and carried the load. That said, Scott, Broome, Brooks and Jennifer excelled in their supporting rolls.
I was so damn proud of our guys.
I hope the few can get off Mick’s back. 2018/2019 was simply a great coaching job.
We are Cincinnati!
Houston could do nothing with him. He was just pulling up and drilling jumpers with a hand in his face, or driving by guys at will and dropping floaters in the lane. It was his day.
(03-18-2019 11:38 AM)Bearcatbdub Wrote: [ -> ]Houston could do nothing with him. He was just pulling up and drilling jumpers with a hand in his face, or driving by guys at will and dropping floaters in the lane. It was his day.
He was also fouled on about half of his drives to the bucket, most of which were not called. The guy is a brute when he wants to be.
Kilpatrick vs Louisville, Jan 30, 2014?
Since the Bob Huggins era, if there was a bigger individual performance on a bigger stage than yesterday then someone will have to remind me cause I don't remember one like JC's. I understand why some of the examples were listed above but this was for the American Conference Tournament Championship played on a neutral floor. Plus, it was against a team that is better than us on paper and who just so happened to reduce our manhood on our home floor the weekend prior. They took away our repeat chance at the regular season title. Consider these numbers folks for one game under circumstances with so much at stake:
33 points
8 boards
1 assist
1 steal
46% from the field
77% FT (10/13)
35 minutes
3 PF
The other thing I'll say is this. You could see it in JC's eyes and body language - he was not going to let his team lose and he was not going to let anyone on the other team do a damn thing about it on the floor. How many hustle plays did he make and how many times did he give up his body that won't show up on the stat sheet? A lot. Eye of the Tiger baby! Eye of the Bearcat!
(03-18-2019 10:03 AM)CliftonAve Wrote: [ -> ]Like many statistics in UC basketball, The Big 0 has this one locked down. He scored more than 50 points in a game seven times, including a 62 point effort and the time he put up 56 in Madison Square Garden against Seton Hall.
In the MSG game, Big O went 22/32 from the field and also had 15 boards and 6 assists.
Yeah, Oscar blows up the curve for everyone else. Ridiculous. Paul Hogue had 22 points and 19 boards in the 1962 title game. In the previous game, in the Final 4 against Wooden's UCLA team that would start his title run a couple years later, Hogue had 36 and 19. I'm guessing those were pretty good performances . . .
Some other great games that come to mind:
Tony Bobbitt lighting up top 5 ranked Oregon at MSG was pretty great.
Dontonio dropping 30 in his first game ever was amazing.
Ruben Patterson scoring 30+ the day after his mother died.
Logan against Memphis, when he had 30+ and made that floater to send it to OT.
A few great individual performances in losses would be Van Exel against UNC in the Elite 8 in 1993, Lenny Stokes against UCLA in 2001, and Kenny Satterfield against Stanford in 2001.
The stage wasn't as big but:
"In 1994, Cincinnati played in Wyoming. LaZelle Durden popped off 45 points, and stepped to the free throw line to shoot three shots with no time on the clock and UC trailing 80-78.
Durden shushed the crowd, and the rest is history."
Kenyon Martin vs. DePaul was the most dominant performance I've ever seen in a college game, but Jarron Cumberland's performance yesterday is the biggest performance in a tournament setting I can remember in my lifetime. I wasn't around for the Big O days, but I doubt anyone will ever compare to him anyway.
I also loved the intelligence of Cumberland's performance (as well as the handling of his play by Mick). I saw at least three offensive possessions where Cumberland stood off to the side and rested while the rest of the team went 4 on 4. Each time they used at least 20 seconds off the shot clock, and usually ended up with Broome pulling a mini-Cumberland and driving to the hole for a layup attempt.
(03-18-2019 12:05 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote: [ -> ]Kenyon Martin vs. DePaul was the most dominant performance I've ever seen in a college game, but Jarron Cumberland's performance yesterday is the biggest performance in a tournament setting I can remember in my lifetime. I wasn't around for the Big O days, but I doubt anyone will ever compare to him anyway.
Stokes against UCLA was magnificent and would be legendary had that game gone differently.
(03-18-2019 11:53 AM)levydl Wrote: [ -> ] (03-18-2019 10:03 AM)CliftonAve Wrote: [ -> ]Like many statistics in UC basketball, The Big 0 has this one locked down. He scored more than 50 points in a game seven times, including a 62 point effort and the time he put up 56 in Madison Square Garden against Seton Hall.
In the MSG game, Big O went 22/32 from the field and also had 15 boards and 6 assists.
Yeah, Oscar blows up the curve for everyone else. Ridiculous. Paul Hogue had 22 points and 19 boards in the 1962 title game. In the previous game, in the Final 4 against Wooden's UCLA team that would start his title run a couple years later, Hogue had 36 and 19. I'm guessing those were pretty good performances . . .
Some other great games that come to mind:
Tony Bobbitt lighting up top 5 ranked Oregon at MSG was pretty great.
Dontonio dropping 30 in his first game ever was amazing.
Ruben Patterson scoring 30+ the day after his mother died.
Logan against Memphis, when he had 30+ and made that floater to send it to OT.
A few great individual performances in losses would be Van Exel against UNC in the Elite 8 in 1993, Lenny Stokes against UCLA in 2001, and Kenny Satterfield against Stanford in 2001.
Hogue is one of those guys that doesn't get heralded enough in Cincinnati. He scored 1,391 points in three seasons (at the time, he finished third all-time behind The Big O and Jack Twyman). He also grabbed 1,088 boards. He was a 1st Team All-American and was the second pick in the 1962 NBA Draft (NY Knicks). He was a key player on those two NC teams.