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A place to discuss our AD, Samantha Huge, in a civil manner.
Can't agree enough with this.

I'm sure our conference mates at Delaware are laughing about all of this. Wish the search committee who was assembled to hire the AD had spoken to a few UD alums. I know two who don't know each other and both had the same glorious things to say about her.
This is ridiculous. Utterly ridiculous.

Lock this thread.
Lock it? Let me sign on first.
I’m in.
Completely agree. #StopdonatingNow
Yes. Lock it.

When viewed with any objectivity, she came in and oversaw the transition of JL quite well, and hired a coach that many are excited about for football. She then evaluated men's basketball.

Then she makes a decision to move on from a coach for what she thinks is the good of the program. To help it take the next step. I know several on here disagree with her, but she takes a year to evaluate and sees a coach that's been here for 16 years, has a losing overall record, a losing record over the last 8-9 of his years here, has two first round losses in the NIT in 16 years, doesn't coach defense, has baffling substitutions, etc. Posters on here wanted him to have a lifetime contract, but she didn't have the long relationship with him and she can only see what that evaluation showed her. He won 20 real games in a season once in sixteen years. There are a lot of alums who wanted to see Shaver gone a long time ago, they just don't discuss such things on this board, which apparently thinks it comprises the whole of the W&M fanbase (there were more supporters of letting him go among the alums that I know than there were of keeping him at this point). She made a move because she didn't think those results were satisfactory after more than a decade and a half on the job.

But people come on here calling her evil, calling for her job over that decision. She's making the move that she thinks is best for the school, agree or disagree with her, it's what she was hired to do and is something she certainly has a helluva lot more information about than anyone on here.

Now people are mad because a player is transferring? A player, by the way, who posters on here don't have any idea if he was going to transfer anyway (or even if learning of his intent to transfer was something that made letting the previous coach go easier). A player who had some issues with his teammates on the court with attitude as noted by several posters on here during games, and who graduated on time to transfer and didn't wait to meet the new coach before announcing.

So yes. This thread should be locked. It's a ridiculous thing to call for her firing over showing a little bit of ambition in not settling for a coach that had been given over a decade and a half when she has more information than posters on here, and she hasn't made any other misstep, even if you disagree with letting Shaver go. Shaver had his time here. A new regime always assesses what they think should be done.
(03-15-2019 06:44 PM)TribeNiner Wrote: [ -> ]This is ridiculous. Utterly ridiculous.

Lock this thread.
Look, let your well-established loathing of Shaver slide and your love of the Thompsons and all things G'town. In one year, she made JL "suddenly" want to retire, fired a very successful soccer coach who had been here since the 80s, dismissed Cole after a billion years of loyalty, retained a LAX coach who has never had a winning season for one reason and one reason only, fired the best coach in Tribe basketball history and the OBVIOUS collateral damage there, and absolutely ruined our MBB program for at least the next 5 years. You keep her. I want her unemployed.

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I still think if this move was being planned, it should have waited until after next season. Sadly firing shaver sets us back at least 2 years
(03-15-2019 07:46 PM)Tribal Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-15-2019 06:44 PM)TribeNiner Wrote: [ -> ]This is ridiculous. Utterly ridiculous.

Lock this thread.
Look, let your well-established loathing of Shaver slide and your love of the Thompsons and all things G'town. In one year, she made JL "suddenly" want to retire, fired a very successful soccer coach who had been here since the 80s, dismissed Cole after a billion years of loyalty, retained a LAX coach who has never had a winning season for one reason and one reason only, fired the best coach in Tribe basketball history and the OBVIOUS collateral damage there, and absolutely ruined our MBB program for at least the next 5 years. You keep her. I want her unemployed.

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Tribal,

You and I have always gotten along, and I don't loathe Shaver (I had a problem with his results given the level of worship on here). I think Tony is a great guy and a fantastic representative of the university. I do love the Hoyas, but I've been a Tribe fan much longer than a Hoya fan.

But as a moderator, you should be working to curb the over-the-line comments of posters. The level of vitriol toward Huge on here is wrong and posters calling her evil is ridiculous and embarrassing. I'm sorry you're upset, but that doesn't call for over-the-line comments toward Huge or getting pissed at me, when I had nothing to do with it.

Maybe Got Ribe was right - and this place is no longer a place for me, either. It can continue to become more and more insular so that the echo chamber is good and strong. The hate on here is overboard.
(03-15-2019 07:56 PM)TribeNiner Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-15-2019 07:46 PM)Tribal Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-15-2019 06:44 PM)TribeNiner Wrote: [ -> ]This is ridiculous. Utterly ridiculous.

Lock this thread.
Look, let your well-established loathing of Shaver slide and your love of the Thompsons and all things G'town. In one year, she made JL "suddenly" want to retire, fired a very successful soccer coach who had been here since the 80s, dismissed Cole after a billion years of loyalty, retained a LAX coach who has never had a winning season for one reason and one reason only, fired the best coach in Tribe basketball history and the OBVIOUS collateral damage there, and absolutely ruined our MBB program for at least the next 5 years. You keep her. I want her unemployed.

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Tribal,

You and I have always gotten along, and I don't loathe Shaver (I had a problem with his results given the level of worship on here). I think Tony is a great guy and a fantastic representative of the university. I do love the Hoyas, but I've been a Tribe fan much longer than a Hoya fan.

But as a moderator, you should be working to curb the over-the-line comments of posters. The level of vitriol toward Huge on here is wrong and posters calling her evil is ridiculous and embarrassing. I'm sorry you're upset, but that doesn't call for over-the-line comments toward Huge or getting pissed at me, when I had nothing to do with it.

Maybe Got Ribe was right - and this place is no longer a place for me, either. It can continue to become more and more insular so that the echo chamber is good and strong. The hate on here is overboard.

I don’t know what next season would have been without all this. But it was the best hope of making the Dance we’ve had going into a season. And it utterly crumbled in three days. This is as despondent about Tribe hoops as I’ve been since the 1:20 Delaware debacle. So shake off a few hyperbolic posts, man.
I love how the threads are alternating between shaming the players for not being tough enough to handle ass chewings and people claiming their souls are too wounded to post on the internet with any semblance of composure.

I think the post flatly stating that Huge fired Shaver because he's white was the most unhinged, but calling her evil was definitely a contender. Excited to see if anyone busts out the c-word tomorrow.
(03-15-2019 09:35 PM)Tank55 Wrote: [ -> ]I love how the threads are alternating between shaming the players for not being tough enough to handle ass chewings and people claiming their souls are too wounded to post on the internet with any semblance of composure.

I think the post flatly stating that Huge fired Shaver because he's white was the most unhinged, but calling her evil was definitely a contender. Excited to see if anyone busts out the c-word tomorrow.

Churlish? There seems to be some of that on the board recently...
I’ll go with “classless.”
I’m in the “Fire Samantha Huge” camp.
Positive personal feelings about Tony aside, I’m wondering if the W&M Board of Visitor’s approved of this $1.7 million buyout.
I’ve emailed each of the 17 members of the BOV expressing both my fear of how Huge’s classless move will damage The College, and questioning the approval of the $1.7 million buyout. Here’s a link to a listing of the 17 BOV members (click each name for their email addresses) if anyone else wants to reach out ...
https://www.wm.edu/about/administration/.../index.php
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TribeNiner -- I have always respected your posts and I still do. I respect what you say about how Huge thought she came in with a mandate and is executing to it (even though I personally disagree with a bunch of the moves she has made). However, just like all of us, I think that some of your statements describing Shaver's success (or lack of it) are over the top. Such as:

1. "has a losing overall record". True, but as I have posted elsewhere I don't think Shaver's early years should be counted against him considering what he inherited. W&M (granted, a different AD) did not have a problem with those years or else they would have fired him then.

2. "a losing record over the last 8-9 of his years here". True, but disingenuous. If you look at just the last 6 years (which seems more apropos than 8 or 9) then Shaver's record is 110-79 (58.2%) and 64-42 (60.4%) in CAA play. That includes this year's subpar 14-17 record. So, clearly an upswing on all that had gone on before.

3. "He won 20 real games in a season once in sixteen years." This is the one that motivated me to post. Shaver has four years of 20 wins but you are obviously discounting D-III wins. The reason I have a problem with that is because all CAA/mid-major coaches schedule lower division games. Even the high majors who don't do that still effectively do the same thing when they schedule the lower or middle mid-majors -- and note that they always play those games at their own venue. Duke hasn't played an OOC away game in years! So, every coach pads his record (or maybe they schedule those games because high majors refuse to schedule them). Also, one important thing to note is that ALL W&M head coaches have always scheduled such games. However, Shaver is still the only one since 1951 who has ever had more than one such 20-win season (Bruce Parkhill had one 20-9 season and Charlie Woolum had one 20-7 season (ending in a first round loss in the CAA tournament and he didn't even get an NIT invite)). So everything is relative and even if you denigrate Shaver's schedules and results, his results are still better than anyone before him since at least 1951.

4. "She's making the move that she thinks is best for the school". This might be true (or it might be true as myself and others have said that she is making the move that she thinks is best for Huge). However, even giving her the benefit of the doubt as to having the absolute best intentions for W&M, I still think that the move was grossly mis-timed. Her own announcement (seemingly backed up by President Rowe) made it clear that making the NCAA tournament was what it is all about. So, if that is true, then her smart move would have been to keep the status quo and not rock the boat and hope that nobody gets injured going into next year. Instead, she fired the coach, riled up the fanbase, possibly induced Pierce (and possibly others) to transfer, and has basically (in the opinion of many of us) ruined our chances for making the NCAAs next year --- which flies directly in the face of her own statement where she said it was a top priority. So THAT is one reason why I am upset (the other is in HOW it was handled -- so callously).

So, bottom line, I guess we all get carried away in how we present the facts and, in this case, I think that I had to call you on how you presented some of the facts.
Get off Tribal’s back. The man has demonstrated the utmost loyalty to our mutual alma mater and supports the athletic department in every way possible. Nor have I ever seen him post ill of anyone in the ten years weve known each other, even in the midst of six-win seasons in basketball, and football seasons where we could not compete a pass. His trigger finger is markedly restrained. Far more so than mine.

Given what I know of Tribal’s character, I suggest we put outrage aside and review the facts. His point is correct. Our current athletic director has just set our basketball team back by at least 3 years, and that is before a new coach is even hired. If Nathan Knight knows what is good for him, he will leave as well. A redshirt year at the right school (Gonzaga, Stanford, Northwestern) followed by a stellar senior year would make him a draft pick. He’s unlikely to get there next year in Williamsburg. At this point, I hope he goes, because he will be hurt if he stays.

And Tribal’s comments on other sports are also accurate. Daly, Cole - these men dedicated their lives to an underfunded athletic program and did great work. I knew both and Steve in particular was a great influence on me. Her treatment of them was appalling. She then hired a football coach who was last seen getting laughed out of Charlottesville. Folks at UVA are still asking me if our AD has a screw loose. Bronco has had to work his ass off to fix the catastrophic damage London did.

I think even if Huge called me tomorrow and said we were cutting soccer, track, and tennis and starting men’s lacrosse, I’d still tell her to go ... well .... Tribal is right. This peter-principled compliance officer from a fourth-tier law school cannot be permitted to lay waste to our athletic department, while building her own personal launch pad. Even if her trajectory increasingly appears to resemble a rocket by Wily-e-coyote.
Chiming in from the sidelines, but been a follower for years.

Gotta say I agree with Niner, here.

She’s darn near guaranteed you folks keep the record perfect going back to what? 1693 or something?

And getting rid of a slouch like Laycock while upgrading to Howard’s coach, I’d think there’d be parties on Gloucester st!

Best of luck Tribe, you never fail to amaze...


*Hugs/Kisses*
(03-16-2019 02:40 AM)ttgwm02 Wrote: [ -> ]Get off Tribal’s back. The man has demonstrated the utmost loyalty to our mutual alma mater and supports the athletic department in every way possible. Nor have I ever seen him post ill of anyone in the ten years weve known each other, even in the midst of six-win seasons in basketball, and football seasons where we could not compete a pass. His trigger finger is markedly restrained. Far more so than mine.

Given what I know of Tribal’s character, I suggest we put outrage aside and review the facts. His point is correct. Our current athletic director has just set our basketball team back by at least 3 years, and that is before a new coach is even hired. If Nathan Knight knows what is good for him, he will leave as well. A redshirt year at the right school (Gonzaga, Stanford, Northwestern) followed by a stellar senior year would make him a draft pick. He’s unlikely to get there next year in Williamsburg. At this point, I hope he goes, because he will be hurt if he stays.

And Tribal’s comments on other sports are also accurate. Daly, Cole - these men dedicated their lives to an underfunded athletic program and did great work. I knew both and Steve in particular was a great influence on me. Her treatment of them was appalling. She then hired a football coach who was last seen getting laughed out of Charlottesville. Folks at UVA are still asking me if our AD has a screw loose. Bronco has had to work his ass off to fix the catastrophic damage London did.

I think even if Huge called me tomorrow and said we were cutting soccer, track, and tennis and starting men’s lacrosse, I’d still tell her to go ... well .... Tribal is right. This peter-principled compliance officer from a fourth-tier law school cannot be permitted to lay waste to our athletic department, while building her own personal launch pad. Even if her trajectory increasingly appears to resemble a rocket by Wily-e-coyote.
Appreciate the support, but I can take criticism, insults, and butt chewing. Because it doesn't bother me in the slightest, I can put aside the name-calling and actually consider their point. When I used the evidently oh so hurtful term "evil," well, that's figurative language. When a friend says "I'm going to kill you" or "kiss my ass," he or she isn't really going to kill you nor does he want you....you get the point. Everyone is worked up - some are now suddenly placing blame on Shaver and some are attacking Huge.

Huge should be fired for her mishandling of nearly every dedicated person employed by TA and her mishandling of our budget over the past two years. The same people who wanted Tony and JL fired are outraged by my stance on this.

Happy weekend!

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Whether you agree with Huge or not, this thread is useless. She is not getting fired, has the college president and board of visitors behind her, has a long term contract, and will be here for the foreseeable future. All the ranting amounts to venting and that's it. It will accomplish nothing.

I'm devastated by Tony's firing, am stunned and upset by it, and now Pierce's leaving puts the program
in free fall with perhaps more players and a terrific recruit from DC to follow.

But all we can really do, being brutally realistic, is hope we get a new coach we can support who can keep this team together, recruit, and build for the future as soon as possible. And I mean asap...time is the enemy.

I'm not going to spite my face by cutting off my nose and stop supporting our athletic program and all the fine people and student-athletes comprising it.
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