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Only 2 #1 seeds have won their tournaments thus far out of 11. 2 wins against 9 defeats. ODU discuss

(03-13-2019 12:29 AM)HERDDDDD Wrote: [ -> ]Only 2 #1 seeds have won their tournaments thus far out of 11. 2 wins against 9 defeats. ODU discuss

Tells me some teams are sandbagging to get another conference mate in for more $$ or an NIT bid, at least.

(03-13-2019 12:29 AM)HERDDDDD Wrote: [ -> ]Only 2 #1 seeds have won their tournaments thus far out of 11. 2 wins against 9 defeats. ODU discuss

Its like this every season in a normal year.....1 seed doesn't mean a whole lot on a neutral floor especially...

(03-13-2019 12:29 AM)HERDDDDD Wrote: [ -> ]Only 2 #1 seeds have won their tournaments thus far out of 11. 2 wins against 9 defeats. ODU discuss

We will have to play much better than we did last week and probably get some bounces and calls to win it. Not much to discuss.

(03-13-2019 06:53 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-13-2019 12:29 AM)HERDDDDD Wrote: [ -> ]Only 2 #1 seeds have won their tournaments thus far out of 11. 2 wins against 9 defeats. ODU discuss

Its like this every season in a normal year.....1 seed doesn't mean a whole lot on a neutral floor especially...

Bingo

It's just further evidence of the stupidity of a conference tournament for a league like ours. Unless you are making a lot of money for the league on the venture then it isn't worth it. And we are losing money on these by the time you add up all the travel expenses for all 12 teams.

Other reasons why it makes no sense...

1. Good chance you will not end up sending the best team to the NCAA Tournament.

2. Just because a team can get comfortable and hot in an arena for three games in three days or four games in four days doesn't mean that's the best team in the league. And certainly doesn't mean its the best team to send from the league.

3. The set up of a conference tournament (i.e. games played in consecutive days) isn't how the NCAA Tournament is set up. It's not apples to apples preparation.

4. The selection committee has made it almost impossible for non-power leagues to get at large bids, so if your #1 falls in the conference tournament you are most probably forgoing any chance at a deep run in the NCAA Tournament.

5. Send the regular season league champion. If more teams are good enough to get in with an at-large then perhaps they will. But so far we aren't even getting our #1 an at large for the most part. A deep run in the NCAA would go a long way in helping us secure future at large bids. And the odds are if the fourth best team in the league goes to the dance because of a three day hot streak it's one win at best in the NCAA's.

It's wide open, but I like our chances. We have depth on our squad that we haven't had in a while. We need to:

Get BJ out of his weeklong funk
Get Xavier to play with confidence
Hit 6 out of 10 FTs

Do these and we have a good shot.

#1 next to the team name doesn't mean jack. Still need to go out and win.

(03-13-2019 08:29 AM)ODUBB35 Wrote: [ -> ]It's wide open, but I like our chances. We have depth on our squad that we haven't had in a while. We need to:

Get BJ out of his weeklong funk
Get Xavier to play with confidence
Hit 6 out of 10 FTs

Do these and we have a good shot.

Get one or two younger players to step up like they had been as well, to take some pressure off BJ.

If the only objective was to send our best team to the NCAA tourney, I agree that a conference tournament wouldn't be much fun.

That said, I do think it helps promote interest in games down the stretch for other teams...

For example, as a Rice fan, I will still go to the games because of the glimmer of hope that my team could catch fire and make a cinderella run. Otherwise, I would've stopped caring once we became mathematically eliminated from the regular season crowd... So like late January or whatever.

At least in NCAA basketball, almost every team feels like they have a chance to advance, even if it's 1 outta million....In football however, it's Bama's, "Clempson's", Ohio State's and a few other's personal playground.

(03-13-2019 11:35 AM)eaglebeaver Wrote: [ -> ]At least in NCAA basketball, almost every team feels like they have a chance to advance, even if it's 1 outta million....In football however, it's Bama's, "Clempson's", Ohio State's and a few other's personal playground.

This the beauty of D1 basketball and March madness, every school has a shot.

(03-13-2019 11:39 AM)HERDDDDD Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-13-2019 11:35 AM)eaglebeaver Wrote: [ -> ]At least in NCAA basketball, almost every team feels like they have a chance to advance, even if it's 1 outta million....In football however, it's Bama's, "Clempson's", Ohio State's and a few other's personal playground.

This the beauty of D1 basketball and March madness, every school has a shot.

Dam right, my friend

(03-13-2019 08:21 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote: [ -> ]It's just further evidence of the stupidity of a conference tournament for a league like ours. Unless you are making a lot of money for the league on the venture then it isn't worth it. And we are losing money on these by the time you add up all the travel expenses for all 12 teams.

Other reasons why it makes no sense...

1. Good chance you will not end up sending the best team to the NCAA Tournament.

2. Just because a team can get comfortable and hot in an arena for three games in three days or four games in four days doesn't mean that's the best team in the league. And certainly doesn't mean its the best team to send from the league.

3. The set up of a conference tournament (i.e. games played in consecutive days) isn't how the NCAA Tournament is set up. It's not apples to apples preparation.

4. The selection committee has made it almost impossible for non-power leagues to get at large bids, so if your #1 falls in the conference tournament you are most probably forgoing any chance at a deep run in the NCAA Tournament.

5. Send the regular season league champion. If more teams are good enough to get in with an at-large then perhaps they will. But so far we aren't even getting our #1 an at large for the most part. A deep run in the NCAA would go a long way in helping us secure future at large bids. And the odds are if the fourth best team in the league goes to the dance because of a three day hot streak it's one win at best in the NCAA's.

I see positives and negatives to this idea. Question for you, Do you know of any conferences that actually give the bid to the regular season champ, if so how many.

(03-13-2019 11:35 AM)eaglebeaver Wrote: [ -> ]At least in NCAA basketball, almost every team feels like they have a chance to advance, even if it's 1 outta million....In football however, it's Bama's, "Clempson's", Ohio State's and a few other's personal playground.

Absolutely. March is the best. Win and advance. Doesn't matter how much money you have or the name on your jersey. Win and advance.

(03-13-2019 12:02 PM)HERDDDDD Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-13-2019 08:21 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote: [ -> ]It's just further evidence of the stupidity of a conference tournament for a league like ours. Unless you are making a lot of money for the league on the venture then it isn't worth it. And we are losing money on these by the time you add up all the travel expenses for all 12 teams.

Other reasons why it makes no sense...

1. Good chance you will not end up sending the best team to the NCAA Tournament.

2. Just because a team can get comfortable and hot in an arena for three games in three days or four games in four days doesn't mean that's the best team in the league. And certainly doesn't mean its the best team to send from the league.

3. The set up of a conference tournament (i.e. games played in consecutive days) isn't how the NCAA Tournament is set up. It's not apples to apples preparation.

4. The selection committee has made it almost impossible for non-power leagues to get at large bids, so if your #1 falls in the conference tournament you are most probably forgoing any chance at a deep run in the NCAA Tournament.

5. Send the regular season league champion. If more teams are good enough to get in with an at-large then perhaps they will. But so far we aren't even getting our #1 an at large for the most part. A deep run in the NCAA would go a long way in helping us secure future at large bids. And the odds are if the fourth best team in the league goes to the dance because of a three day hot streak it's one win at best in the NCAA's.

I see positives and negatives to this idea. Question for you, Do you know of any conferences that actually give the bid to the regular season champ, if so how many.

I think the Ivy League used to. Not sure if they still do.

(03-13-2019 12:33 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-13-2019 12:02 PM)HERDDDDD Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-13-2019 08:21 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote: [ -> ]It's just further evidence of the stupidity of a conference tournament for a league like ours. Unless you are making a lot of money for the league on the venture then it isn't worth it. And we are losing money on these by the time you add up all the travel expenses for all 12 teams.

Other reasons why it makes no sense...

1. Good chance you will not end up sending the best team to the NCAA Tournament.

2. Just because a team can get comfortable and hot in an arena for three games in three days or four games in four days doesn't mean that's the best team in the league. And certainly doesn't mean its the best team to send from the league.

3. The set up of a conference tournament (i.e. games played in consecutive days) isn't how the NCAA Tournament is set up. It's not apples to apples preparation.

4. The selection committee has made it almost impossible for non-power leagues to get at large bids, so if your #1 falls in the conference tournament you are most probably forgoing any chance at a deep run in the NCAA Tournament.

5. Send the regular season league champion. If more teams are good enough to get in with an at-large then perhaps they will. But so far we aren't even getting our #1 an at large for the most part. A deep run in the NCAA would go a long way in helping us secure future at large bids. And the odds are if the fourth best team in the league goes to the dance because of a three day hot streak it's one win at best in the NCAA's.

I see positives and negatives to this idea. Question for you, Do you know of any conferences that actually give the bid to the regular season champ, if so how many.

I think the Ivy League used to. Not sure if they still do.

So did the Big 10.

(03-13-2019 12:33 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-13-2019 12:02 PM)HERDDDDD Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-13-2019 08:21 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote: [ -> ]It's just further evidence of the stupidity of a conference tournament for a league like ours. Unless you are making a lot of money for the league on the venture then it isn't worth it. And we are losing money on these by the time you add up all the travel expenses for all 12 teams.

Other reasons why it makes no sense...

1. Good chance you will not end up sending the best team to the NCAA Tournament.

2. Just because a team can get comfortable and hot in an arena for three games in three days or four games in four days doesn't mean that's the best team in the league. And certainly doesn't mean its the best team to send from the league.

3. The set up of a conference tournament (i.e. games played in consecutive days) isn't how the NCAA Tournament is set up. It's not apples to apples preparation.

4. The selection committee has made it almost impossible for non-power leagues to get at large bids, so if your #1 falls in the conference tournament you are most probably forgoing any chance at a deep run in the NCAA Tournament.

5. Send the regular season league champion. If more teams are good enough to get in with an at-large then perhaps they will. But so far we aren't even getting our #1 an at large for the most part. A deep run in the NCAA would go a long way in helping us secure future at large bids. And the odds are if the fourth best team in the league goes to the dance because of a three day hot streak it's one win at best in the NCAA's.

I see positives and negatives to this idea. Question for you, Do you know of any conferences that actually give the bid to the regular season champ, if so how many.

I think the Ivy League used to. Not sure if they still do.

They now have a tournament with the top 4 teams participating. https://ivyleague.com/news/2019/3/10/gen...emain.aspx

I don't think ODU is going to win the tournament. It's wide open. I like the winner of the WK and Southern Miss game to win it all.

The #1 seed has issues because C-USA provides zero advantage to the #1 seed.

- No fans because of distance
- Game times are not helpful for #1 seeds