(03-04-2019 03:24 PM)orangefan Wrote: [ -> ] (03-04-2019 03:06 PM)usffan Wrote: [ -> ] (03-04-2019 02:37 PM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]ACC's GOR's are thru I believe 2036.....
Makes it even less likely that anybody's moving anytime soon...
USFFan
ACC schools are not going anywhere. Maybe someone could come up with a theory on how to break a GOR, but I haven't heard a good one yet. The likelihood of years of litigation and uncertainty if anyone tried would scare the conservative leadership of any school away. In addition, the ACC members will want to see how the ACCN launch goes. If it goes well, no one will even want to go anywhere else.
Any realignment action is going to happen between the Big 12 and Pac 12. The P12 interest in a group of 4 from the B12 is going to be even greater in 2025 than it was when they extended an offer to six schools back in 2011 and looked at adding four again in 2012. The P12 Network has been a disaster and the number of TVHH in its footprint is far below the B1G, SEC and ACC. They desperately need a presence in Texas and they desperately need 4 schools in the Central Time Zone to provide a full season package of noon kickoffs.
1. the PAC 12 makes significantly less money than the Big 12
it makes no sense financially that you can take 4 teams from a 10 team conference that makes more money and place them in a 12 team conference and then pay 16 teams more money so that you can lure the 4 teams from the 10 team conference
it makes more sense to just keep paying 10 teams more money and keep paying 12 teams less money
this is even more of a factor when one of the most desired teams has a 3rd tier deal that provides their own network for them and makes them have an extremely higher revenue than the PAC 12 does and all the more so when that TV deal runs several years past the current Big 12 media contracts
you are not going to move a team making $50 million per year out of the Big 12 over to the PAC 12 where teams make $29 million a year and pay those PAC 12 teams $50 million per year plus Texas an 3 others
and USC and UCLA already strong armed the PAC 10 during the last media deals to either get $20 million a year or get additional money from the other members to make USC and UCLA get $20 million per year
because the PAC 12 had uneven revenue sharing right up to and until their last media contracts just like the Big 12 did
and UCLA and USC are not going to have Texas making more than everyone else and neither are UW and Oregon even if the other 8 would agree to it
2. Texas has never been excited about going west especially with the scheduling issues and time issues and even more so for sports besides football
when it was potentially 6 teams from the Big 12 making a move to join 10 in the PAC 10 that was less of an issue.......with 4 going to join 12 that is a major issue and one Texas will not be interested in
3. the PAC 12 network is a dud it has PROVEN that no one is demanding PAC 12 content and moving Texas teams into the PAC 12 will not save the PAC 12 network because the issue is that "fans" in the PAC 12 main area do not want the network or care about getting it and fans outside of that area care even less......and the PAC 12 allowed that to be PROVEN
and by proving that they have made it pretty much impossible that major media companies are going to want to swoop in and buy it or gain control of it and try and force it onto consumers that have spoken loudly that the are 100% not interested
4. just like with the differential in conference money if 4 teams from the Big 12 can make the PAC 12 network somehow produce money it makes more sense to just have those 4 teams with 6 others and make a network that makes money
because again what people fail to understand is that the PAC12n is NOT WANTED and NOT IN DEMAND and that is with the current 12 members and is four members of the Big 12 could change that is makes more sense to keep those 4 with 6 others instead of 12 others because it is a proven FACT those 12 others are not in demand....and in FACT they are in less demand because cable MSOs that previously carried them are dropping them and NO ONE CARES and no one is switching cable companies because of that
and no media company is interested in trying to disprove that especially when disproving that comes with studio and talking head and sat truck overhead that no current media company has any need for and in fact has an excess of now
5. this is more directed at David State....there is NO EXIT FEE in the GOR.....NONE
and to the person that said Texas can afford to leave the Big 12 without their media rights for a few years......well with no media rights there is nothing that brings any value to the new conference even if you want to claim some home games with Texas for current conference members would somehow make it worth it
because all Texas home games with their new conference members would still belong to the Big 12
I realize that someone with a 3 hour undergrad media rights class will come tell us about the brock landers WWF TV case, but no one has as of yet challenged a GOR and again the GOR puts the burden of proof of damages on the program leaving the conference which is a much more difficult position to be in for a number of reasons
and the GOR provides no compensation (again of a specific reason) compensation is provided by a separate contract for conference membership
they are two difference contracts and they are written very differently for a reason
and highly paid and experienced legal teams from all the members of a conference looked over each of those contracts they were not simply written by teams that thought they might be leaving in the future (and thus the brock landers defense as postulated by a 3 hour undergrad media rights expert and WWF fan was left wide open as an easy exit with media rights) and then handed off to the teams that feel they might have fewer options and those teams were told to "sign here" while they signed worthless paper
6. the Big 12 in addition to a GOR has a 99 year contract for conference membership that was signed in 2012
that contract DOES have exit fees that are equal to two years of PRIOR conference distributions....and again that is SEPARATE from the GOR
8 of the current members of the Big 12 have been a party to upholding and being compensated under a very similar contract two times in the recent past
2 of the members of the Big 12 (TCU and WVU) have been a party to PAYING to leave under a similar contract when leaving the Big East
so all 10 members of the Big 12 cannot claim that they do not understand such a contract or that they feel such a contract is not enforceable
and in the case of the Big 12 with Nebraska and CU and in the case of the Big East with TCU and WVU those conferences had expiring media rights deals (the Big 12 with tier 2 Fox) and the Big East with all of theirs at the time that teams were leaving the conference and all of those teams leaving PAID to leave so just because some or all of the media rights have expired that does not negate the exit fees as has been proven two times with all the members of the Big 12 having been invloved in at least one of those cases
Maryland leaving the ACC and paying $35 million proves that again contracts with exit fees can and will be enforced
Maryland was NOT a party to the GOR they were ONLY a party to an increased exit fee from the ACC
so it makes ZERO financial sense to move 4 teams from the Big 12 to the PAC 12
moving 4 teams from the Big 12 to the PAC 12 will do nothing to help the PAC12n the PAC12n has proven itself to be a failure and it is not in demand and adding 4 teams to the PAC 12 will not matter when there are still 12 teams that have proven their lack of demand and trying to do so makes no financial sense
7.
http://www.big12sports.com/fls/10410/pdf...Bylaws.pdf
there is a link to the Big 12 bylaws for 99 years signed in 2012 (separate from the GOR)
it spells out leaving the conference and the fees associated wit that very clearly
for the AAC fan girls that believes they will hand pick a few Big 12 teams IF the Big 12 falls apart Vs the Big 12 picking up new teams
even if a team like Texas was to decide to exit the conference and pay the fees (or a VERY large part of the fees because as Maryland has proven and as Texas has argued in the past with 4 teams leaving the Big 12 those fees are enforceable and are paid at a very high % of not fully) the remaining members of the Big 12 will have tens if not hundreds of millions of reasons to stay together and invite other teams no matter what other teams and conferences believe
because it is highly unlikely that anyone is leaving the Big 12 for less than the cost of Maryland leaving the ACC and more likely at a much greater cost
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